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A few questions

Hello everyone,
I just got my Droid Incredible and have rooted it using Unrevoked3. I'm really enjoying it, but I have a few questions:
Am I correct in thinking that rooting consists entirely of getting su and Superuser.apk on the phone, and the hard part is setuiding and chmodding them?
What exactly is meant by "radio" in "flash a new radio"?
Why is it necessary to flash the stock recovery before applying an OTA update? Shouldn't ClockworkMod be able to do anything the stock recovery can?
(Somewhat related to the previous question) What would happen if one accepted an OTA without unrooting or applying the stock recovery?
Thank you all and sorry for my noobishness.

1. It also consists of replacing the stock recovery with Clockwork. It's ridiculously simple thanks to the unrevoked tool.
2. Radio = Baseband.
3. No, Clockwork cannot currently flash the radio.
4. I doubt anyone could answer for sure until it comes out

tchebb said:
Hello everyone,
I just got my Droid Incredible and have rooted it using Unrevoked3. I'm really enjoying it, but I have a few questions:
Am I correct in thinking that rooting consists entirely of getting su and Superuser.apk on the phone, and the hard part is setuiding and chmodding them?
What exactly is meant by "radio" in "flash a new radio"?
Why is it necessary to flash the stock recovery before applying an OTA update? Shouldn't ClockworkMod be able to do anything the stock recovery can?
(Somewhat related to the previous question) What would happen if one accepted an OTA without unrooting or applying the stock recovery?
Thank you all and sorry for my noobishness.
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1 yes
2 the radio is the thing that gets the signals
3 clockwork can't flash radios
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Thanks for the quick responses.
I'm not trying to criticize Clockwork in any way here, but why can't it flash the radio? Does it need the NAND to be unlocked, and if so, would it be possible to use Unrevoked to put on a new radio?

tchebb said:
Thanks for the quick responses.
I'm not trying to criticize Clockwork in any way here, but why can't it flash the radio? Does it need the NAND to be unlocked, and if so, would it be possible to use Unrevoked to put on a new radio?
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No, koush just didnt put it in for whatever reason.
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No, koush just didnt put it in for whatever reason.
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Thanks for the clarification. Are there currently no other suitable recoveries for the Incredible that can flash the radio?

tchebb said:
Thanks for the clarification. Are there currently no other suitable recoveries for the Incredible that can flash the radio?
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No. I tried amonra from the desire, and i nearly broke my recovery.
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One more question: what does PB31IMG.zip do? Is it just the stock recovery, or does it return everything back to stock?
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tchebb said:
One more question: what does PB31IMG.zip do? Is it just the stock recovery, or does it return everything back to stock?
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Yes everything back to stock... if you have upgraded the radio you might get an error sayin something like main version its older.
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tchebb said:
Hello everyone,
I just got my Droid Incredible and have rooted it using Unrevoked3. I'm really enjoying it, but I have a few questions:
Am I correct in thinking that rooting consists entirely of getting su and Superuser.apk on the phone, and the hard part is setuiding and chmodding them?
What exactly is meant by "radio" in "flash a new radio"?
Why is it necessary to flash the stock recovery before applying an OTA update? Shouldn't ClockworkMod be able to do anything the stock recovery can?
(Somewhat related to the previous question) What would happen if one accepted an OTA without unrooting or applying the stock recovery?
Thank you all and sorry for my noobishness.
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1. Root consists of getting the MOST access to the device so things that we're normally out of our privilege range can be accessed... i.e. flashlight/titanium back up etc. It also pushes busybox su and the custom recovery to make ADB easier.
2. Think of the radio as the bios on your PC....very important...mess with it and you can EASILY break your machine of choice.
3. The reason I am sure Koush left radio flashability out is because of the ridiculous amount of noobs that would simply destroy their device by being curious/not reading the giant red letters in most posts/just not paying attention to what they are doing. It is VERY easy to brick a device with access to flashing the radio...dangerous and probably a fail safe to keep as many bricks down as possible.
4. What would probably happen with the OTA is you will either A. Loose root and be completely stock WITH NO WAY of downgrading to gain root. B. Brick Brick Brick. C. Profit? D. It might not let you even continue with the installation because of the custom recovery...not sure though because it hasn't happened yet....just DO NOT ACCEPT ANY OTA REQUESTS.
The PB image is the only way to downgrade back to stock. Completely stock. Out of the box stock. No root...no nothing! BUT it reopens the unrevoked exploits so you can reroot and also allows you to flash the OTA is your version is older...some tricks need to be taken though to get your version older then the ota.
The OTA is said to patch the exploit to RUU to stock. That means no mores roots if you OTA. Wait it out...when it drops it will be rooted and ready for the flashness.

Rooted ROM via update.zip?

Is it possible to install the rooted 2.2 ROM via the update.zip method or do I need to use Unrevoked/NAND Unlock and then install the rooted 2.2?
Also, since I have already installed the 2.2 "official" leaked version, is it even possible to use Unrevoked now?
Sorry for the noob questions but, I am a noob at this stuff.
LD

If you already installed the semi-official 2.2, you are stuck for the moment, there is no way to root that version and to my understanding, no way to go back to an earlier rootable version.
-frank
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kaediil said:
If you already installed the semi-official 2.2, you are stuck for the moment, there is no way to root that version and to my understanding, no way to go back to an earlier rootable version.
-frank
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Thank you for the quick reply. My only issue is that my 4G isn't working after the update. I did try to apply it twice to see if that would help, but it didn't. After running it the second time, the phone did seem to run smoother.
Maybe I will do a full wipe and reapply the update. I have MyBackup Pro so, maybe that with allow me to wipe and restore a little quicker.
LD

Still no way to root successfully on new OTA?

I see people having problems with every method going. Just wanted to make sure I am not missing a thread somewhere as I can only view on phone app right now. I want to update but wont risk losing root.
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leenypost said:
I see people having problems with every method going. Just wanted to make sure I am not missing a thread somewhere as I can only view on phone app right now. I want to update but wont risk losing root.
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If you're rooted just flash a rooted rom, there's a few out already.
And: post in the right section.

eyeballer1 said:
If you're rooted just flash a rooted rom, there's a few out already.
And: post in the right section.
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My bad on posting in the wrong place, im on my phone and figured someone in this section would be the first to know, I appologize. I flashed a rom already with the new ota but I want to update the radio and 4g too and I read that aside from the possibilites of having 4g connection issues via bad mac addresses the new radio will cause problems with my old hboot and once I go to the 2.10 version rooting is not possible. I was just looking for any info saying otherwise but its a bit hard on the phone app to scroll through everything. I'll just wait until someone gets the root working and then unroot via s-on ,ruu back to stock 3.29 and dl the ota via HTC software update. Thanks for the time.
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This will root Hboot 2.10 radio 2.15
Confirmed working
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9922782&postcount=1829
just got this working about an hr ago so give it a shot

OTA after S-OFF?

Hey guys,
I used the AlpharevX Windows beta to S-OFF my Inc 2, then rooted using CWM (still on stock rom). I can see the OTA, and can download it, but it won't install.
The progress bar gets about 1/3 the way full then comes up with the triangle with the !.
I've tried it two or three times, did factory reset, have no idea what to do. Do I have to S-ON for it to install? If so, how exactly do I do that?
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parkwoodsuks said:
Hey guys,
I used the AlpharevX Windows beta to S-OFF my Inc 2, then rooted using CWM (still on stock rom). I can see the OTA, and can download it, but it won't install.
The progress bar gets about 1/3 the way full then comes up with the triangle with the !.
I've tried it two or three times, did factory reset, have no idea what to do. Do I have to S-ON for it to install? If so, how exactly do I do that?
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First, you cannot install an OTA when you have a custom recovery such as CWM installed. You at least need to install the original recovery image for your particular ROM before you try again.
Since the OTA in now available and official, why don't you just wait a few hours and someone will have a fully rooted version of the ROM that you can flash using CWM and not worry about losing S-OFF?

Let me give you a fair warning though, I'm not positive how Alpha set up their root, as I used XTC. BUT I know if you install the OTA with replacing CWM with regular recovery, you MAY be turned back to S-ON WITHOUT an option to get root back, UNLESS using the XTC clip. Enjoy.

Okay, I was afraid of that. I'm used to not even being able to see OTA's at all with CWM (came from Droid X), so it kind of threw me off.
Do you have any idea if the OTA is really any different from the leaked Inc S GB rom that's floating around? If, for some reason, it takes forever to get the ota rooted and they're not that different I may just install the leaked one I have.
Not trying to be a pain, just curious.
Thanks,
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parkwoodsuks said:
Okay, I was afraid of that. I'm used to not even being able to see OTA's at all with CWM (came from Droid X), so it kind of threw me off.
Do you have any idea if the OTA is really any different from the leaked Inc S GB rom that's floating around? If, for some reason, it takes forever to get the ota rooted and they're not that different I may just install the leaked one I have.
Not trying to be a pain, just curious.
Thanks,
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Check the Dev section. It looks like there is already a rooted, debloated version available.

I just created a PG32IMG.zip containing. Android-info text file and CWM recovery img renamed to recovery.img and placed it on root of sdcard
Booted into hboot and flashed it ...
Then I replaced the recovery with the stock recovery from the froyo ruu and flashed the stock recovery back....
Then flashed right back to CWM..
Never used any commands via windows or linux
I am going to install the ota and try to go back to cwm recovery and see what I can do from there.
I'll keep you guys informed
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This way we will know if the s-off is similar to.unrevoked for the incredible 1. I could do this all day long with theirs.
One way to find out right.
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Mr1070 said:
I just created a PG32IMG.zip containing. Android-info text file and CWM recovery img renamed to recovery.img and placed it on root of sdcard
Booted into hboot and flashed it ...
Then I replaced the recovery with the stock recovery from the froyo ruu and flashed the stock recovery back....
Then flashed right back to CWM..
Never used any commands via windows or linux
I am going to install the ota and try to go back to cwm recovery and see what I can do from there.
I'll keep you guys informed
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You will recieve the OTA update and get Gingerbread. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED BY MANY that you will NOT be able to -reroot. if you can that's because of the hboot alpha gave you. but if it changes ur hboot you need XTC clip to re-root. RMK already posted a ROOTED ROM of the current OTA. SAME THING, why chance root for OTA. THEY ARE THE EXACT SAME FILES. BUT WITH ROOT! just use his ROM. my 2 cents. do as you please

Link
Hey, Instead of Don't do this, do that, do this, don't update that, If you want the release and don't want to lose root, install from this link. This guy(rmk40) spent some time to get this out to us. Awesome work! You won't lose root, everything works.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1161411
Be sure to "Thanks" him for this

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Looking at the zip it appears theirs reflashes hboot, which will break s off as far as i know.
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I got RMK's rooted rom and it's awesome. Thanks for the help guys.
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Pc36img.zip

Alright. I own a droid x and it is extremely simple to root and unroot. My bro-in-law had me help him root his evo using unrevoked3. Now he wants the GB update but cannot get it. Long story short. I flashed the s-on file and it worked. However, when I put the pc36img.zip on the sd card and enter the bootloader, it automatically starts searching the image and I get the error below.
Main version is older!
Update failed
2.15.00.11.19 baseband
Android 2.2 stock everything.
Can someone please help me get his evo unrooted?

skennelly said:
Alright. I own a droid x and it is extremely simple to root and unroot. My bro-in-law had me help him root his evo using unrevoked3. Now he wants the GB update but cannot get it. Long story short. I flashed the s-on file and it worked. However, when I put the pc36img.zip on the sd card and enter the bootloader, it automatically starts searching the image and I get the error below.
Main version is older!
Update failed
2.15.00.11.19 baseband
Android 2.2 stock everything.
Can someone please help me get his evo unrooted?
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sorry. there is no root for 2.3.3 GB yet. Many are working on it, so hopefully that will change soon. I feel your pain as my phone broke and the replacement had GB on it already when I got it

skennelly said:
Alright. I own a droid x and it is extremely simple to root and unroot.
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Great device
My bro-in-law had me help him root his evo using unrevoked3.
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Unrevoked is my preferred root method.
Now he wants the GB update but cannot get it.
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Why not? Is there not a flashable OTA update floating around these forums?
Long story short. I flashed the s-on file and it worked. However, when I put the pc36img.zip on the sd card and enter the bootloader, it automatically starts searching the image and I get the error below.
Main version is older!
Update failed
2.15.00.11.19 baseband
Android 2.2 stock everything.
Can someone please help me get his evo unrooted?
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Why are you unrooting his device? If it's to get the OTA 2.3.3 update, wouldn't it be easier to flash a rooted stock froyo rom, go to the system update setting and then update? Of course, I'm assuming that is what you're trying to do so forgive me if I misunderstood your post.
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Ok, sorry for not being very informed. He tried to update to the ota but it failed. I assumed that it must be because the s-off since he hadn't done anything but tether.
He really has no need to be rooted because the only thing he wanted todo was tether. Now, I have turned the s-on, but the pc36img fails to update.
Is it safe to just check for/install the system up? Or does the phone need to be unrooted?

dougjamal said:
Great device Unrevoked is my preferred root method. Why not? Is there not a flashable OTA update floating around these forums?
Why are you unrooting his device? If it's to get the OTA 2.3.3 update, wouldn't it be easier to flash a rooted stock froyo rom, go to the system update setting and then update? Of course, I'm assuming that is what you're trying to do so forgive me if I misunderstood your post.
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Can he do this with s-on? If not, how can I turn it back off?
Last, could you provide a link to a stock rooted rom I could flash?

skennelly said:
Can he do this with s-on? If not, how can I turn it back off?
Last, could you provide a link to a stock rooted rom I could flash?
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If you already have S-On, all you need to do is flash the ruu that coincides with software 3.70 or 3.29. You can download any of the ruus for the EVO by clicking on the RUU link in my signature. Also, there's a link to rooted stock roms in my link, as well.
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dougjamal said:
If you already have S-On, all you need to do is flash the ruu that coincides with software 3.70 or 3.29. You can download any of the ruus for the EVO by clicking on the RUU link in my signature. Also, there's a link to rooted stock roms in my link, as well.
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Awesome! Thank you very much. I'm on my phone now, so I'll check it out when I get to my laptop.

Before you do something you will regret, go back and use unrevoked asap. Get back to S-off. If you turn S-on, and then take the update, you can not go back at the moment.
Flash a stock rooted gingerbread rom...

lil_bono said:
Before you do something you will regret, go back and use unrevoked asap. Get back to S-off. If you turn S-on, and then take the update, you can not go back at the moment.
Flash a stock rooted gingerbread rom...
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Honestly, my bro-in-law doesn't need root. Here I am trying to fix his problem. I've spent more time on this than I should. I mod my X, but the evo confuses me some.
Are you saying he can take the ota rooted, with s-on?

You need S-Off for permanent root and ability to flash custom ROMs. So before you take the OTA for him, as long as the phone is 2.2, run Unrevoked once again and install AmonRa.
Does he even like Sense? I would suggest trying one of the setups from my sig, or even MIUI if he doesn't need 4G.
You could have S-On and get the OTA, which would make his phone unrootable and boring, or you could just root back and flash a ROM with better battery life (I hear that Calkulin's works great, but so do other ROMs)
Before you do anything, try showing him pictures of MIUI, SalvageMod, MikG or another ROM and ask what he likes best.
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Oh, and he would need a custom ROM with tethering unlocked for the ability to tether for free. And he would need S-Off to put that ROM on.
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skennelly said:
Honestly, my bro-in-law doesn't need root. Here I am trying to fix his problem. I've spent more time on this than I should. I mod my X, but the evo confuses me some.
Are you saying he can take the ota rooted, with s-on?
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I understood from your earlier post that your brother-in-law didn't need root and thus the reasons for the answers I gave. Yes, he can accept the OTA while S-ON and he will indeed upgrade his device to 2.3.3, however, should he wish to unroot afterwards, he won't be able to until an exploit can be found. I take it your friend isn't the type of person who flashes roms, mods, kernels and such.
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skennelly said:
Alright. I own a droid x and it is extremely simple to root and unroot. My bro-in-law had me help him root his evo using unrevoked3. Now he wants the GB update but cannot get it. Long story short. I flashed the s-on file and it worked. However, when I put the pc36img.zip on the sd card and enter the bootloader, it automatically starts searching the image and I get the error below.
Main version is older!
Update failed
2.15.00.11.19 baseband
Android 2.2 stock everything.
Can someone please help me get his evo unrooted?
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check your hboot version and S off status
if its hboot 2.16 and S on, you are boned since you unrooted it when you took the gb update
so basically...dont tell your friend that you screwed his chances to root yourself lol
the correct route would have been to flash with a rooted stock GB ota wich was already out there, but its too late now : /
welcome to the "wait for root" boat with us, leave your bags by the door you will be here a while

tropicalbrit said:
Oh, and he would need a custom ROM with tethering unlocked for the ability to tether for free. And he would need S-Off to put that ROM on.
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you can thether without being rooted
download pdanet app on phone and on pc you want to tether on
hotspot requires root or paying sprint though

I really appreciate everyones help, don't get me wrong. However, I'm sitting here doing all this research and trying to get help for my in-law who thought he needed root and wanted to tether. He doesn't even use tether. I'm not showing him any custom roms. He lives three hours away and i'd be doing all his leg work/fixing his problems.
All I want to do (and him as well) is get him to gb stock unrooted and be done with his phone.
So, if the s-on is on, but the su app is still in the app drawer, and the pc36img.zip failed. If he selects settings>about phone>check for updates, will this get him to gb?
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Yes, he should be able to do as you stated above and be updated to 2.3.3?
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Thank you
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