If one of us happens to get the update, and want to keep root....what do you want us to do with the update?
Don't install it. I'm not sure how to do that with an Android device.
However if it does get installed you will lose root. It could also cause some problems if it gets pushed to your phone.
The devs will have a rooted version of the rom before they will have a root method for the rom.
I think it is safe to say, if you want to keep Root, ignore the update prompt, and wait for the developers here to make rooted versions of the ROM.
The original firmware was rooted before the phone came out. (I don't know how long it took developers to actually Root the phone, since I don't know how long they had the developers release in their hands).
When the 1.47 OTA came out, it broke root, and became a mad scramble to try to re-root the phone. If I remember right, it took a couple weeks to find the workaround that would allow root.
It is a good bet that the new release WILL break root again, and there is no telling how long it will be before it can be rooted again, if ever.
is this a serious question? most updates will remove all hacked/homebrew stuff been hapning since the begining of time.......(i.e. PSP, Nintendo Wii, iPhone/touch......)just dont update...take this stuff to yahoo answers.
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If one of us happens to get the update, and want to keep root....what do you want us to do with the update?
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Update lose root. Period. Just wait.
ohh geez, be prepared for all of the topics like "just updated to sprints official froyo update and lost root can i root it back?" my gawd its gonna get annoying
i guess this is a noob question, but how long does it take to get a rooted stock rome of this 2.2? i would assume not too long correct?
usually same day.. its all about patience which there is little of.. i can guarantee you will have a stock rooted rom by this weeks end
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What's the best way to get rooted. I've tried te avalauncher way, they tell me I have to be rooted to use it. I've tried the simple root OTA, but when it's suppose to take you to factory restore, my phone goes to a backup/restore screen, so it fails cause I can't restore it. Please give me assistance.
I am running 2.2 from a manual install. No root.
You have to wait until the guys here find a way for p eople to root once they have 2.2 . That could take anywhere from a few days to a few weeks
Most likely you are NOT going to be able to root since you ran the OTA update for 2.2....
That is why you should read what you are flashing and know the consequences prior to doing so. Every thread that contained the download for the 2.2 leak said that it will make you lose root and the ability ( for now ) to gain root status.
You need to wait until one of the geniuses figure out a way to do it.
Sorry about your luck.
The best way is toast method...
Good luck!
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UND3RTAK3R said:
The best way is toast method...you can email me if you have any problems [email protected]
Good luck!
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Not gonna work since he used the 2.2 update man.
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What's the best way to get rooted. I've tried te avalauncher way, they tell me I have to be rooted to use it. I've tried the simple root OTA, but when it's suppose to take you to factory restore, my phone goes to a backup/restore screen, so it fails cause I can't restore it. Please give me assistance.
I am running 2.2 from a manual install. No root.
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1. wrong forum, should be in Q&A
2. if you did the manual update from Sprint, you will have to wait until the devs here create a root method for stock 2.2 is developed. Any existing root method will not work at all.
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What's the best way to get rooted. I've tried te avalauncher way, they tell me I have to be rooted to use it. I've tried the simple root OTA, but when it's suppose to take you to factory restore, my phone goes to a backup/restore screen, so it fails cause I can't restore it. Please give me assistance.
I am running 2.2 from a manual install. No root.
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You installed the plain OTA update? The one that says "not rooted yet" on the thread title?
For each new update, HTC tries to protect its software from being rooted. The last update required users to exploit a Flash Lite vulnerability and took a while. You will probably have to wait a long time before you can root this, since it doesn't have Flash Lite.
For future reference, root first THEN update to a rooted rom released by our devs. You can't just install Ava's rom on top of stock 2.2, it prevents you from doing so.
I'm sorry but HOW MANY posts were there saying if you want to keep root, DO NOT INSTALL THE UPDATE?? Ugh...
And yes I know this isn't constructive but sometimes people just need a slap on the back if the head.
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I'm in the same boat. After trying hard to resist the urge, I gave in and installed the leak. After finding the rooted version, I tried to use the 1.47 RUU to go back but it error-ed out. I'm so bummed I can't go back. Oh well; I knew the risk I was taking though so I guess I have to live with it...
Hours my my day wasted....HOURS!!!
Where's my AR-15
Wow, just wow.
I just had a thought: If there is no method for rooting yet, then how are the stock roms being rooted?
Here we go again
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I just had a thought: If there is no method for rooting yet, then how are the stock roms being rooted?
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By digging thru it and finding an exploit.
Which will most likely happen for the 2.2 update as well, just not as of yet.
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I just had a thought: If there is no method for rooting yet, then how are the stock roms being rooted?
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With a ROM, you can run through the zip file and essentially take out the parts that would remove root and modify as you see fit to put on an already rooted device -- the device isn't running all the security checks on the ROM, since it's already been rooted to remove those. Much easier, almost trivial.
If you have a non-rooted device, though, you have to find a way to get the device, not the ROM, rooted. The device isn't going to take an unofficial ROM. Big difference, since you have to exploit something already on the device somehow. With the last OTA update, it was Flash Lite that could be exploited for root access to the device. With this one, no one has found a method to root the device once the OTA has been applied (and probably won't really try that hard until the official version is released, in case it closes any exploits that are in the version floating around now).
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With a ROM, you can run through the zip file and essentially take out the parts that would remove root and modify as you see fit to put on an already rooted device -- the device isn't running all the security checks on the ROM, since it's already been rooted to remove those. Much easier, almost trivial.
If you have a non-rooted device, though, you have to find a way to get the device, not the ROM, rooted. The device isn't going to take an unofficial ROM. Big difference, since you have to exploit something already on the device somehow. With the last OTA update, it was Flash Lite that could be exploited for root access to the device. With this one, no one has found a method to root the device once the OTA has been applied (and probably won't really try that hard until the official version is released, in case it closes any exploits that are in the version floating around now).
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Beat me to it and said it better.
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I'm in the same boat. After trying hard to resist the urge, I gave in and installed the leak. After finding the rooted version, I tried to use the 1.47 RUU to go back but it error-ed out. I'm so bummed I can't go back. Oh well; I knew the risk I was taking though so I guess I have to live with it...
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I have no idea how it was "hard to resist" when AVA's rooted version showed up at 5:30pm and netarchy's showed up around 9pm. They showed up before any official sprint OTA. Lets also not forget the hundreds of posts warning people that this would happen.
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I just had a thought: If there is no method for rooting yet, then how are the stock roms being rooted?
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The "rooting method" allows you to get into restricted areas of the phone to install stuff. The act of rooting is breaking into the phone itself, not into the rom. The rom itself is fully accessable and can be hacked up, its just getting it onto the phone is the hard part.
Essentially your phone, stock, is a box that's locked from the inside. For older versions people figured out how to unlock it, so that you can put any hacked up rom onto it. The new OTA, no one knows how to get in yet.
Don't know if that makes sense. It's pretty easy to understand if you understand OS permissions.
EDIT: what the other guy said.
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I just had a thought: If there is no method for rooting yet, then how are the stock roms being rooted?
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Because someone takes the CONTENT of the update, and applies it piece-by-piece to an already rooted image, ignoring the bits that replace HBOOT and etc.
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I have no idea how it was "hard to resist" when AVA's rooted version showed up at 5:30pm and netarchy's showed up around 9pm. .
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I'll tell you why. The thread gets to 200 pages. There are people saying it works, sucks, bricks, awesome, hate it, stay away, success, etc. After reading 40 pages of it you have no idea up from down. Speaking from someone that is not familiar with Android rooting. It's frustrating. Then you go to one of the other 50 threads and it's all the same.
I never saw anywhere that if I installed the leak i'd be screwed. I'm fine with that though. I have 2.2 and can wait. Just annoyed i've spent hours of my day on this.
This thread was a funny read.
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By the question you can tell that i'm rather inexperienced at this, but a buddy of mine(who has a Droid on VZW) and i were debating whether or not doing an OTA update after you root would cause you to loose your ability to root forever.
I guess it's different on both devices, but he contends that he could unroot his droid, which is running a custom 2.2 ROM, install an OTA update, decide he doesn't like it, then just go back to a 2.1 RUU from VZW or Motorola, and then re-root.
Everything i have read here about the EVO indicates that if i am already rooted, and i accept an OTA update, then i will never be able to root again. Does never, really mean never? Or is it just mean that i won't be able to root using the current methods to root the phone?
What if i had never rooted and then accepted the OTA 2.2 from sprint that may be coming this week, would i then be able to root?
What exactly does the update do to remove the ability to get /root access to the phone? Something with the bootloader, HBOOT, or what?
Thanks for the information. Hopefully, this will settle this question for my friend and I.
Chris
OTA updates typically break any existing root methods, and disable any current root access.
Some OTA's also update the phone in a manner which prevents older official roms (that have working roots) from being reinstalled.
At that point, you have an updated rom with known roots removed, that can't be rolled back, so the only option is to wait until another root exploit is found and released. Which may or may not happen depending on the device and whoever is working on it.
Hope that helps.
You can take and accept as many updates as you want....you just have to modify that update by replacing the new hboot with the engineering one.....that way you can freely flash zip files
HTC is tricksy and they dont let you roll back after the OTA. Motorolla may not have this so your friend may in fact be able to roll back to 2.1 (however he may be misinformed as well).
To root basically they find a bug to exploit that allows us to gain access as a root user. when the OTA updates come out 99% of the time they will fix this bug. HTCat least blocks roll backs so now you are on a new version of the software that you can not go backwards and the bug to root is no longer there.
While there are normally other bugs that can be exploited to get root it is possible that there isnt one or that if there is no one can find it. if they cant find it then it could remove your ability to root permanently.
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You can take and accept as many updates as you want....you just have to modify that update by replacing the new hboot with the engineering one.....that way you can freely flash zip files
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while true accepting an OTA will not give you the chance to do this for most.
ok, that explains things a little better. thanks.
I'm new to all of this as well. My EVO has already been updated OTA by a Sprint employee while I was purchasing the phone. From what I've read it looks like I'm SOL until someone cracks 2.2. One quick question though... How long did it take people to be able to root the first software on the EVO's?
[Q] How to Root Evo 3.26.651.3
Hi,
I'm stuck on the leaked Froyo update, had tried simple root and unrevoked and not luck, does anybody knows how to root HTC EVo 4G Froyo 2.2
software version 3.26.651.3 (beginer here)
Not possible on that version yet.
for now their is nothing you can do untill either HTC sends an OTA update to allow you to get the newest OTS Update or untill someone figures out a new root method for 2.2
God forbid a question go in the Q&A Forum.
Maybe you can flash a stock previous OTA (the 1.76 one) then try simple root? Maybe you can install 2.2 rooted after that?
There is another forum post that says you can go to the sprint store and they will downgrade you to 1.47 as long as you have .3. I am going to go try to do this today and then try to root after.
Is there enough demand for someone to develop a root for the new Froyo on the Evo?
I wonder if everyone who wanted to be rooted did not update on the OTA Froyo.
I did not see any reason to root when it seemed that all the roms had issues before the update.
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Is there enough demand for someone to develop a root for the new Froyo on the Evo?
I wonder if everyone who wanted to be rooted did not update on the OTA Froyo.
I did not see any reason to root when it seemed that all the roms had issues before the update.
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It is not a question on will there be people trying to do this. I am sure a lot of the devs are. The question is will they be able to find an exploit to be able to.
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It is not a question on will there be people trying to do this. I am sure a lot of the devs are. The question is will they be able to find an exploit to be able to.
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There just does not seem to be any urgency to root Froyo. I see not mention in any of the forums I monitor.
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Is there enough demand for someone to develop a root for the new Froyo on the Evo?
I wonder if everyone who wanted to be rooted did not update on the OTA Froyo.
I did not see any reason to root when it seemed that all the roms had issues before the update.
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????????????????????? uh What?
Q - Is there enough demand for someone to develop a root for the new Froyo on the Evo?
A - Of Course... really doesn't even need to be asked
Q - I wonder if everyone who wanted to be rooted did not update on the OTA Froyo.
A - Everyone that wanted to be rooted, were rooted, and probably upgraded to the rooted .3 pre-release and then upgraded to the rooted .6 final release
Q - I did not see any reason to root when it seemed that all the roms had issues before the update
A- What? You can root without flashing a rom... Why? Many reasons of which one is to be able to tether without paying Sprint a stupid fee for using the wifi router which doesn't need a custom rom.
But I don't quite know what you mean by "all" the roms had problems.... Simply not true, Most of the roms are and have been nothing more than stock roms with root access, with Sprint crap removed or mabey small changes in icons, lock screens, or rosies. The only time people start having issues in when you get into overclocking and changing kernels for reasons like higher fps's or 5 point multitouch. I have been running 2.1 roms with nothing broken or not working and 2.2 roms (.3 and .6) with everything working fine(4g, wifi tether, fps fix, overclocked, 5 point multitouch, etc)
The only people at this point that are waiting for a 2.2 root are the people that were too stupid impatient to wait 2 hrs before the .3 was rooted and reverted to stock to flash the pre-release 2.2 or people that updated first before realizing how much nicer it is to have a rooted phone.
Everyday new EVO owners are bringing there new phones home by the thousands and getting online trying to see how they can get root. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out that the devs here have found a way to root a new 2.2 EVO before you even read this.
The Unrevoked team is working on it, but they don't have real root in the first place.
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????????????????????? uh What?
Q - Is there enough demand for someone to develop a root for the new Froyo on the Evo?
A - Of Course... really doesn't even need to be asked
Q - I wonder if everyone who wanted to be rooted did not update on the OTA Froyo.
A - Everyone that wanted to be rooted, were rooted, and probably upgraded to the rooted .3 pre-release and then upgraded to the rooted .6 final release
Q - I did not see any reason to root when it seemed that all the roms had issues before the update
A- What? You can root without flashing a rom... Why? Many reasons of which one is to be able to tether without paying Sprint a stupid fee for using the wifi router which doesn't need a custom rom.
But I don't quite know what you mean by "all" the roms had problems.... Simply not true.........
.....Everyday new EVO owners are bringing there new phones home by the thousands and getting online trying to see how they can get root. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out that the devs here have found a way to root a new 2.2 EVO before you even read this.
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+1 Exactly
Its only been out for 5 days calm down. Im pretty sure the devs chat with each other through im and what not. as well i rather see them working on a root process then posting on here. if you want root then you should of not updated if you had no choice because you got the phone after the 31st - 1st then your sol right now
Two wrongs don't make a right....
OP....be patient young grasshopper....
Don't see no reason why not. It's an open source OS it's only a matter of time for a dev to find a way. Let's just hope for all of your guys that are not rooted or decided to un root to get 2.2, it's sooner rather than later.
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I am willing to test it when it come out. It's only a phone.
I noticed something interesting when I stopped by the Sprint store yesterday.
There was an older gentleman there purchasing an Evo. I felt a little sad because I knew that poor phone would never get hax'd. The manager instructed the sales person to charge the phone and make sure to run the update after activation.
My guess is that the majority of Evos from this point on will come with Froyo, so I'm sure there will be an effort to root.
I would like to see a one step method to root that has a hundred pages of "Thank You" rather that the hundred pages of problems and explanations I see now.
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I would like to see a one step method to root that has a hundred pages of "Thank You" rather that the hundred pages of problems and explanations I see now.
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then do it yourself.
Did it work? Did they downgrade you?
With the 2.3 (Gingerbread) OTA from Verizon rolling out, I've been searching for some info on rooting the Inc once the 2.3 OTA installs to remove all of the crapware that comes from Verizon. Although CM7 is in it's final stages, I'd still like to try the new sense build of gingerbread. If I can't gain root with Unrevoked and the new OTA update, I'd probably wind up sticking with CM7 and wont even bother unrooting for the OTA. Has anyone been brave enough to give Unrevoked a shot with stock 2.3 from Verizon?
Not sure about the OTA but, just wait until someone post the update on XDA which should be pretty soon after its announced and it should be the rom with root. That way you won't have to worry.
I haven't seen anything official other than it'll be released in Q2 of 2011...it needs to drop first then the Unrevoked team can test its methods for root on it. Your best bet: if you want 2.3 run CM7 until, like Troy89 said, it comes out then is rooted for sure.
What will happen is people will go back to stock, wait for the official 2.3 update, then ***** that root isn't possible. While they are super human, the Unrevoked team still needs to eat and sleep, so it'll take time to make sure their root methods work, and work without bricking phones.
It happened with the last 2.2 minor OTA update. People had to wait about one week, and you'd think the world was ending without root.
Yes, it may take some time to root the OTA. But anyone around here that is rooted that used Unrevoked should be fine. Because it puts you S-OFF. And even the RUU doesn't put you S-ON. So even if you install the OTA from stock as long as you still have S-OFF you will be able to reinstall CWM recovery and a custom rom with root anyway.
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I haven't seen anything official other than it'll be released in Q2 of 2011...it needs to drop first then the Unrevoked team can test its methods for root on it. Your best bet: if you want 2.3 run CM7 until, like Troy89 said, it comes out then is rooted for sure.
What will happen is people will go back to stock, wait for the official 2.3 update, then ***** that root isn't possible. While they are super human, the Unrevoked team still needs to eat and sleep, so it'll take time to make sure their root methods work, and work without bricking phones.
It happened with the last 2.2 minor OTA update. People had to wait about one week, and you'd think the world was ending without root.
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Yeah Q2 is what I heard as well, I also heard the new Sense UI will have themeing capabilities kind of like T-Mobile themeing engine in CM7 so I guess I'll wait for the Unrevoked team to come through once again. Without root access, my Inc wouldn't last 5 hrs!
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Yeah Q2 is what I heard as well, I also heard the new Sense UI will have themeing capabilities kind of like T-Mobile themeing engine in CM7 so I guess I'll wait for the Unrevoked team to come through once again. Without root access, my Inc wouldn't last 5 hrs!
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That's your best bet. Trust me, when it's released and when (if dare I say??) it breaks root, watch all the threads that pop up complaining, people calling out the Unrevoked team for being lazy, and a bunch of other BS...it was crazy last time it happened.
Just hang out, wait for the all clear, and you'll be good!
CM7 still rocks! OSAP is what every Android device should come stocked with.
whats osap?
baram said:
whats osap?
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Old socks always peew
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baram said:
whats osap?
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Typo language for AOSP lol
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I don't recall seeing anything about a 2.3 OTA being confirmed for the Dinc. Any links to a source of some kind?
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I don't recall seeing anything about a 2.3 OTA being confirmed for the Dinc. Any links to a source of some kind?
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It's an email from an HTC rep. Check it out here.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+does+AOSP+mean?
is there any reason that I SHOULD NOT accept the verizon ota update after rooting?
Just got home and rooted it 10 minutes ago and haven't gotten around to flashing a rom yet.
generally, regardless of your phone, once you've rooted it's best not to do any OTA update as it can screw up your phone.
if it's one of those "i absolutely need this OTA!" deals, then it'd be best to un-root first, apply it, then re-root.
It's risky....Least it will do is install and unroot. Worst you could be stuck in the stock recovery....and that's not a fun thing to mess with.... If it bothers you your better off just flashing CWM and a new rom.
yeah I'm going to flash a new rom and forget about it.
Looks like android revolution is gonna be the first attempt.. any suggestions otherwise?
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yeah I'm going to flash a new rom and forget about it.
Looks like android revolution is gonna be the first attempt.. any suggestions otherwise?
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Im on revolution and it is still nagging for ota update any way to disable the nag?
For other phones, you most definitely do NOT want to accept OTA's. For this phone though, the bootloader can be locked and unlocked at will, so OTA's should be okay to accept, in theory. ;-)
If you want to be absolutely sure though, just listen to the general advice of "don't accept OTA's".