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Dead XDA IIs (BA)

Hi all,
Noob user here
I've a problem with my XDA IIs that I thought I'd get some advice on rather than dispensing of it. Basically...it won't switch on. When plugged into mains the red light comes on for a bit then goes off.
Phone was working perfectly, put it in my pocket got home and nothing, assumed it crashed but doesn't respond to anything. Has been sat on my wardrobe for over a year but could do with using it for sat nav.
Any advice on what to try? Could be the battrey but don't wanna fork out extra cash for a new one as it's even more money lost
If I wasn't to fix it, any idea on what it's worth? Screen is unmarked and it has all standard accessories with it.
Ta

Save you BA man! More or less it's the battery (I think). Or the internal battery is drained to 0%. Have you tried charging it first for a couple of minutes?

Yeah tried charging overnight. Charge light comes on for a bit then goes out. Does the same thing when connected via usb, red light comes on but it doesn't register on the pc.
Was working fine but then one day it just woudn't come on. Would like to keep it if I can, got a touch diamond too now, but this is actually a better phone to use!

try to use a different battery first. And let's see what happens next.

Yeah, I may have to but want to avoid as much extra cost as I can
Bit more info, using the docking station plugged into the mains:
Batt alone - Charge light on dock comes on.
BA alone - Red light on BA comes on.
BA with batt attached - no lights on.
Any ideas??

can you try to put it in bootloader mode?

red_hanks said:
can you try to put it in bootloader mode?
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Don't know how to
Plus it doesn't actualls switch on or register on the PC, so can I do much to it?

It's just like what I did with my BA a few days ago, I am flashing it with a new ROM and while in the process I intentionally unplugged the cable during the process and I got an error on my PC and my BA does not turn on anymore. I tried to put it in bootloader mode a couple of times and it did and I re-flashed it again. And it works. Check the wiki...

red_hanks said:
try to use a different battery first. And let's see what happens next.
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yeah, the best thing to do to isolate the problem..
Astecas said:
Yeah, I may have to but want to avoid as much extra cost as I can
Any ideas??
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no need to buy at once, borrow first, then if your BA works using another's batt, thats the time you need to decide spending... cheers

The same problem I had!!!!!!!!!!
I had this trouble... and... YUP!!!!! is the backup battery.
So you cant charge your BA via USB if the main batt reaches less than 35% so keep it safely above 35% men...
BTW... if you have your batt less than 35% the OS can be runing just a little seconds so your batt is dying is not truth that it have 35% it has almost 5% trust me...
Yes!!!! the red led Turns On a little then Goes off... so sad isnt it?... now your backup batt is almost 0% thats why your red led appears... so...
Get a craddle USB-AC_Charging base it has a backtrace to charge apart the batt charge it individual. Once you get a full charged main batt, let your BA rest a little on the freezer to obtain a little power of the Backup batt... (YES ON THE FREEZER!!! ) at least 3 minutes before you plug the main batt.
It wakes up the device... maybe it becomes a few seconds on but... is enough.... if it starts... cradle your entire device on the craddle and wait till its full charged... again the green led appears cause the main is full but let it charge more and more... caus there is no led indicator for backup batt.
NOP!!!!!!! I dont do the freezer trick when i had this problem... cause i get it works faster than you...
Hope this works... post your adventure men....

Red Hanks/Que - Tried both those (ok, maybe not the freezer bit!), and stil no joy. Gonna go out over the weekend and see if a repair shop can try another battrey. Otherwise I may be saying goodbye :-(
Phezthie - The BA was rare when new, now they are non-existent. No chance of borrowing a friends.
Cheers for the help guys.

Well it is a nice idea!
you can make a modded battery for BA with two nokia bl 5c taiwan batts... check the post on winmo 6 subforum.

In my opinion. it's the internal battery since you didn't use the phone for over a year. Hope you can make your BA alive again because there's so much nice apps waiting out there...

I was using it daily before this though, it suddenly stopped working one day. It did however crash a few times before it finally went. I'll have a read up on changing internal batt. Red...I'm gonna try and save it!

Ok...keep us posted and good luck mate!

Astecas said:
Red Hanks/Que - Tried both those (ok, maybe not the freezer bit!), and stil no joy. Gonna go out over the weekend and see if a repair shop can try another battrey. Otherwise I may be saying goodbye :-(
Phezthie - The BA was rare when new, now they are non-existent. No chance of borrowing a friends.
Cheers for the help guys.
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both batteries, main and backup, could be the reason thats why you need to determine which one of it by isolating the cause of the problem. to know if its the main battery, you can improvise by using different battery with same voltage rating (3.7volts, no need to worry as to the Ah rating), but be sure to connect the proper polarity to the BA's correct pin terminals, otherwise, power circuit of your BA will be compromised.
As to the backup battery, you can do nothing it but to replace if defective. the "freezer trick" is actually one of the shattering myths of electronics and cannot be relied upon to have an optimal performance, as it neither charge nor extend the life of the battery. it simply reduces the the power dissipation (power loss due to heat and resistance) during the initial boot so that it can draw enough power to run unit in its chargeable condition.
but since it is not prossible to borrow or no available battery can be used as a test unit, I suggest that you try the first procedure aforementioned, this of course, if you are familiar with battery polarities and know the corresponding terminals of the unit. regards

Hmmmm, my diamond has a 3.7v batt...never thought of that!

I'm near preston, with the origional battery . .
I'm near preston, with the origional battery . . fully charged, will last 6/12Hrs=using it, P.M. me ur postcode + House #, I will send it to you to try
(stick with the BA, new HTC Elf is half the PPC, that the BA is!!!!)
FleaBay'd a 2400mAh (incl shipping)=under £10GBP !!! (late last year)
#===#===# Currently Being Pimped (1st go!) #===#===#

Cheers mate, but I've just paid for one off ebay so I'll just wait for that to come now. If it doesn't do it I may be selling up...
Fingers crossed

Ok, new battrey arrived this morning. Gave it a charge and just tried it...
....no change
Screen, green and blue top corner and red end call lights momentarily flash when I press the power button. Then nothing.
Both batteries seem to charge in the cradle but not in the phone.
So, any other suggestions oh technically superior ones??
Btw, I received 2 batteries this morning, so I've listed the new one to get some cash back here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3519343#post3519343

android:battery empty: can't recharge

Is there a way to solve this (I've got a spare battery)? Any chance of getting an updated NBH?

robuser007 said:
Is there a way to solve this (I've got a spare battery)? Any chance of getting an updated NBH?
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if your phone truly isn't charging the battery you can always hotwire it to the positive and negative wires from a clipped usb cord.
holding the wire to the terminals of the battery for a few minutes can get you running again.
however...
I have found that often if you just unplug the phone,remove the battery from the phone and then discharge the phone (pressing power button) then reinstall battery, you can then plug in the phone to get a charge...
let it charge for 15-20 minutes and then turn it on without the powercord.
resume charging once running.

I'd advise against the hotwiring method, since unless you have a lot of experience in wiring you run a risk of damaging something due to shorting wires, put it this way, I am experienced in electronics assembly, and wouldn't try this unless there was no other way.
However my method is similar to the one mnjm suggests, I have run out of battery once or twice on android, and I pull the battery, replace it, plug in the charger, wait until the light goes out, disconnect charger, pull and reinsert battery again, power on the phone, wait until it starts the second stage of booting, ( bootanimation), then plug in the charger. Usually works fine.

Or try this:
Pull the battery, replace it, plug in the charger, don't wait wait until the light goes out, power on the phone while light is ON.
I have run out of battery many times while testing battery patch an this always worked for me.

My battery meter was acting up lately and I decided to let my phone die. Let it run out of power to correct the battery meter. It was either 100% charged or less then 1% charge.
Now it won't boot. I see the X animation and nothing happens. I just keep watching the animation. The animation keeps resetting. I hate to think that my Android installation corrupted just by letting the battery run dry?
Will it even charge if I plug it in? I wanna try reinstalling Android to get it working again.
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Yep, corrupt installation.
I have no idea why draining the battery would do that, but it did. I reinstalled Android and it booted again.

My phone lost charge overnight the other day and I found plugging in usb power and using the hard reset button made it boot and then it would charge up OK.
Steve

zenity said:
I'd advise against the hotwiring method, .
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yeah...I was regretting typing that.
obviously if you are not confident in your understanding of what you are doing then AVOID playing with bare wires.
you don't have to fear electricity...
but you do need to respect it.

I know you are confident, just making sure people knew that there were potential dangers, it's not that a cut down usb lead is dangerous as far as shock hazards go, more the remote possibility that a shorted lead could perhaps cause major battery problems, since hotwiring them, while it does charge the battery, provides no short-circuit protection, it is remotely possible, (but unlikely), that this could cause fire hazards.
If I was really desperate I might do this with a zener diode rather than just bare wires.
I know we like messing with our phones, but also remember that the Darwin Awards exist because people sometimes let enthusiasm get ahead of their capabilities

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**EDIT**
Yep, corrupt installation.
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One of the dangers, that's why it should be fixed in the NBH, any chances for a fix, anyone working on this at the moment ?
I'm thinking of buying the motorola milestone, but it's still expensive (350 euro's).

robuser007 said:
One of the dangers, that's why it should be fixed in the NBH, any chances for a fix, anyone working on this at the moment ?
I'm thinking of buying the motorola milestone, but it's still expensive (350 euro's).
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I can actually buy a phone with my upgrade discount, but I love my Kaiser too much to let it go. Plus it's a better learning experience when dealing with Android.
If I bought a new Android phone, I wouldn't do much of anything with it, besides use it as a smart phone.
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I know we like messing with our phones, but also remember that the Darwin Awards exist because people sometimes let enthusiasm get ahead of their capabilities
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I know what you mean. When I use my hammer to smash aerosol cans, I'm always careful enough to cover my face with my hand. Can't be too careful.
I kid, I kid.

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I can actually buy a phone with my upgrade discount, but I love my Kaiser too much to let it go. Plus it's a better learning experience when dealing with Android.
If I bought a new Android phone, I wouldn't do much of anything with it, besides use it as a smart phone.
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I've seen that the milestone is still locked, no hardspl etc.

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I've seen that the milestone is still locked, no hardspl etc.
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Seriously? By the time they unlock it, there will be a new phone to buy.
Meh, besides, I never lose my old phones. They turn into "hand me downs". My sister has my old HTC Wizard right now. If things get really bad, I still have my old Nokia NGage. Yes, I own one of those.

Same thing has just happened to me, except I can't turn the phone back on at all now.
Was running the latest Kaiser NBH from DZO whilst using Myn's rom, I had a number of issues with battery life using android with it going from 75% charge to 0% and soft resetting by itself.
Anyways this time it hasn't woken up after doing just that, it was working fine then it turned off and I can't get it back on.
It just won't power on, there is no charging light but then again that only came on once android was booted never on startup with the android NBH, it was fine with Windows Mobile.
I have removed the battery, put it back in but nothing.
Swapped out for another working battery that I have spare, but nothing.
Tried a hard reset, still nothing.
It's just not starting at all now.
The phone was working and was on the side not charging and all of sudden it turned off and hasn't come back on since.
Bit annoyed.
ST1Cl<^^aN

Stickman89 said:
Same thing has just happened to me, except I can't turn the phone back on at all now.
Was running the latest Kaiser NBH from DZO whilst using Myn's rom, I had a number of issues with battery life using android with it going from 75% charge to 0% and soft resetting by itself.
Anyways this time it hasn't woken up after doing just that, it was working fine then it turned off and I can't get it back on.
It just won't power on, there is no charging light but then again that only came on once android was booted never on startup with the android NBH, it was fine with Windows Mobile.
I have removed the battery, put it back in but nothing.
Swapped out for another working battery that I have spare, but nothing.
Tried a hard reset, still nothing.
It's just not starting at all now.
The phone was working and was on the side not charging and all of sudden it turned off and hasn't come back on since.
Bit annoyed.
ST1Cl<^^aN
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Sorted it now, note to self and anyone else who has done this.
Usually what occurs is when the phone powers off when the battery has not been calibrated properly it requires you to do a hard reset using the stylus.
Anyway's I did that in the dark and accidentally pushed the stylus into the charger port on the phone and pushed a pin into another so It was short circuiting. Luckily I didn't damage the pins or the phone and was able to straighten it so it wasn't making contact with the other pins.
I'm happy again, its only really a test phone tbh, I have had a HTC Hero for some time now...
Best Regards,
ST1Cl<^^aN

Like most problems, it's due to the kernel. Even if the bugs get sorted out, there's still plenty of room for improvement.
Lets say the following is working 100%.
phone
GPS
3D
power management
wifi
bluetooth
USB
camera
etc
There's always a need for something. Like upgrading 3D to OpenGL ES 2.0, or getting support for ext3/ext4. That's a long way to go and very few people are willing to do it on their spare time.
In the most severe cases, people had to pool together a reward for someone to include support for something.
Considering how similar the Kaiser/Polaris/Vogue is, you could combine this group of people to get something done. There's a lot of talent, but it's spread far apart.

[Q] ZL shutting down during boot, stays on with usb power

Hi guys, I'm experiencing some power issue with my ZL. I have recently updated via Seus to .283 firmware....once I reboot, it gets to the Sony screen and then it shuts down. If the phone is plugged in it boots fine and remains on. The battery charge shows 80%. Afterwards I unlocked the bootloader and flashed the KK advanced kernel to see the battery percentage in recovery and it also shows 80%. Is there anyway to check if its the battery without replacing it?

Aphex33 said:
Is there anyway to check if its the battery without replacing it?
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There is a battery testing app for Sony devices (you can find it here), but, obviously, it requires your phone to be able to stay on battery power for the time of the testing...
What happens with your phone if you unplug the charger once fully booted? Does it immediately shut down, or is only happening during startup?

The phone shuts down immediately after I remove the usb cord. Offline charging looks as though it's working. I'll see what the app says, thank you.
* btw the phone stays on when in recovery which is odd
* the battery app requires you to remove power which I cannot do
* help me!..using a Z Ultra at the moment...things huge!

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The phone shuts down immediately after I remove the usb cord. Offline charging looks as though it's working. I'll see what the app says, thank you.
* btw the phone stays on when in recovery which is odd
* the battery app requires you to remove power which I cannot do
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Well, yeah, that's what I meant saying the phone has to be able to stay on battery...
I think (just an uneducated guess ) that the recovery doesn't have a mechanism to analyze battery health/status, but the Android OS does (and so does the bootloader). That's why it stays on in recovery, but when booted (or in the process of booting) into the OS, the system somehow thinks that the battery level is too low, and shuts down as a safety measure. I have seen multiple times that the battery levels shown in recovery and in Android are drastically different, which kinda confirms my thoughts...
All in all, it looks to me like your battery is acting up. Just to save you an effort and expense of getting a new battery, at least until you know for sure the battery is the problem, I can suggest something to you... I am expecting a replacement for my battery in a day or two. My old (current) battery still works, it's just old and doesn't last very long, that's why I am replacing it. I could send the old one to you (Vancouver to Winnipeg is not a big deal), so you can try it out to pinpoint the problem. If it works, then you know it's the battery, and you can either buy a new one, or keep my old one for the time being. If you are OK with the idea, just send me a PM with the address to send it to.

I think I'm just going to buy a battery of ebay. I really appreciate your offer to send me your old battery, but its probably best I go new since I don't want this issue arising again. Thanks again for all your help.

Aphex33 said:
I think I'm just going to buy a battery of ebay. I really appreciate your offer to send me your old battery, but its probably best I go new since I don't want this issue arising again. Thanks again for all your help.
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No problem! I was just thinking you could use my battery to confirm the problem before buying the new one, not to keep it for the long term, of course (that would be silly). But I am pretty sure it's the battery, anyway... Good luck!

I was wondering if the battery ever fixed the problem, I am having the same issue

really mad, I'm going on a business trip and this started happening. this week I updated the firmware to 293.
I didn't know you could replace the ZL battery.

After 2 years of use, my phone suddenly just died when I was playing a game. It won't boot without the charger ever since. I'm so sad because I expected this phone to last longer

hardware issue?

My phone won't boot unless it is plugged in via wall charger.
If I got it to boot while charging, it instantly turns off when I unplug it even with battery at 100%.
I am able turn to go into hboot mode(power + volume down), even when it is unplugged. But it dies if I access recovery. I am able to perform "show image crc" function.
The problem started while I was using the camera and it just turned off by itself.
I was on SROM at the time when the problem started.
I managed to change ROM to SD, and even used lollipop RUU(verizon), but the problem wasn't resolved.:crying:
What do you think? Am I right to assume this is a hardware problem?

yakultski said:
My phone won't boot unless it is plugged in via wall charger.
If I got it to boot while charging, it instantly turns off when I unplug it even with battery at 100%.
I am able turn to go into hboot mode(power + volume down), even when it is unplugged. But it dies if I access recovery. I am able to perform "show image crc" function.
The problem started while I was using the camera and it just turned off by itself.
I was on SROM at the time when the problem started.
I managed to change ROM to SD, and even used lollipop RUU(verizon), but the problem wasn't resolved.:crying:
What do you think? Am I right to assume this is a hardware problem?
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I have same problem!

Bump. I have the same problem too. Seems to have come out of the blue for an otherwise functional phone. Can't figure it out.
I'll add that I can get into twrp and it seems to function without the charger plugged.. But otherwise, if the charger is removed, phone dies like OP.
Anyone can help?

Hey, this happened to me too while I was using the camera too! What's the linkage?
@yakultski, have you figured this out yet?

Try to flash a RUU and if you got the same it should be an hardware problem...

yakultski said:
My phone won't boot unless it is plugged in via wall charger.
If I got it to boot while charging, it instantly turns off when I unplug it even with battery at 100%.
I am able turn to go into hboot mode(power + volume down), even when it is unplugged. But it dies if I access recovery. I am able to perform "show image crc" function.
The problem started while I was using the camera and it just turned off by itself.
I was on SROM at the time when the problem started.
I managed to change ROM to SD, and even used lollipop RUU(verizon), but the problem wasn't resolved.:crying:
What do you think? Am I right to assume this is a hardware problem?
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Did you resolve the issue. I heard it could be the battery failing, but i'm not so sure anymore, because when i run antutu benchmark my phone shuts down when using fisheye image processing or 3D, it turns off even when it's plugged in.
I suspect it's the GPU failing or something similar. That is weird since i wasn't using any intense 3D games. I'm sure this is my last HTC.

yakultski said:
My phone won't boot unless it is plugged in via wall charger.
If I got it to boot while charging, it instantly turns off when I unplug it even with battery at 100%.
I am able turn to go into hboot mode(power + volume down), even when it is unplugged. But it dies if I access recovery. I am able to perform "show image crc" function.
The problem started while I was using the camera and it just turned off by itself.
I was on SROM at the time when the problem started.
I managed to change ROM to SD, and even used lollipop RUU(verizon), but the problem wasn't resolved.:crying:
What do you think? Am I right to assume this is a hardware problem?
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I don't know if you managed to solve your problem, but in my case I replaced the battery and now the problem is gone. So defective battery is the reason in my case. I replaced it my self which is quite a task but not so hard, you just need patience and time. So if you have time to reply me, please do, as i would like to help.:good:

Gunman84 said:
I don't know if you managed to solve your problem, but in my case I replaced the battery and now the problem is gone. So defective battery is the reason in my case. I replaced it my self which is quite a task but not so hard, you just need patience and time. So if you have time to reply me, please do, as i would like to help.:good:
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Hey Gunman84, my phone is behaving in a similar fashion as the OP. I have an AT&T phone converted to a GPE. So everything is stock in that sense. If plugged in, phone operates normally. As soon as I unplug it, a couple of seconds later it will power off. If I boot into hboot, the phone will stay on for a long time (its been an hour+ already and its still on).
I watched a youtube video showing how to replace the battery and that was pretty intimidating - haha. Where did you get your battery replacement? and how much did it cost?
thanks

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Hey Gunman84, my phone is behaving in a similar fashion as the OP. I have an AT&T phone converted to a GPE. So everything is stock in that sense. If plugged in, phone operates normally. As soon as I unplug it, a couple of seconds later it will power off. If I boot into hboot, the phone will stay on for a long time (its been an hour+ already and its still on).
I watched a youtube video showing how to replace the battery and that was pretty intimidating - haha. Where did you get your battery replacement? and how much did it cost?
thanks
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Hi, it's not so intimidating . Well you just need to be careful and patient, there are lots of small resistors, connectors and so on. Check the iFixit site for proper instructions here is the link https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/HTC+One+%28M8%29+Teardown/23615 this is full teardown, and here is 2nd link where they focus mainly on replacing the battery https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/HTC+One+M8+Battery+Replacement/41650. I'm from Slovenia, and the battery cost me 20€, which is around 25US dollars, the battery was original one. I bought it from local supplier. It took me around 2-3 hours to replace it, or something like that, that's because i wanted to be careful.

Gunman84 said:
Hi, it's not so intimidating . Well you just need to be careful and patient, there are lots of small resistors, connectors and so on. Check the iFixit site for proper instructions here is the link https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/HTC+One+%28M8%29+Teardown/23615 this is full teardown, and here is 2nd link where they focus mainly on replacing the battery https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/HTC+One+M8+Battery+Replacement/41650. I'm from Slovenia, and the battery cost me 20€, which is around 25US dollars, the battery was original one. I bought it from local supplier. It took me around 2-3 hours to replace it, or something like that, that's because i wanted to be careful.
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Thanks so much for the links.
The phones behavior really makes me question if its the battery. For example, it stayed on in the hboot/recovery screen for 10+ hours (without being plugged in). So the battery can definitely hold a charge.
I'm afraid to open up the phone (and potentially break it), when there is potentially something else going on (maybe a software issue). I guess if I run out of ideas, I'll have no choice but to attempt the battery replacement.
thanks again!

clemdaddy said:
Thanks so much for the links.
The phones behavior really makes me question if its the battery. For example, it stayed on in the hboot/recovery screen for 10+ hours (without being plugged in). So the battery can definitely hold a charge.
I'm afraid to open up the phone (and potentially break it), when there is potentially something else going on (maybe a software issue). I guess if I run out of ideas, I'll have no choice but to attempt the battery replacement.
thanks again!
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Well in my case i could also stay in recovery mode(TWRP) indefinitely also in bootloader mode, that's because you are not in the operating system. The graphics are not running at that point and so on, it doesn't drain that much power at that point either.. It's a different story if you try to flash a rom in aroma, at that point the phone shuts of if not plugged in. It is the battery, trust me.

Gunman84 said:
Well in my case i could also stay in recovery mode(TWRP) indefinitely also in bootloader mode, that's because you are not in the operating system. The graphics are not running at that point and so on, it doesn't drain that much power at that point either.. It's a different story if you try to flash a rom in aroma, at that point the phone shuts of if not plugged in. It is the battery, trust me.
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Really appreciate your responses. Makes sense what you say. I'm going to attempt the battery swap. Got no other option!
For the adhesive parts of the phone. When putting it back together, did you need to reapply more adhesive?
Thanks

clemdaddy said:
Really appreciate your responses. Makes sense what you say. I'm going to attempt the battery swap. Got no other option!
For the adhesive parts of the phone. When putting it back together, did you need to reapply more adhesive?
Thanks
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Nope, no additional adhesive was needed in my case. I used the hair dryer to soften the original adhesive. The speaker grills were difficult to remove as they are glued quite well, but eventually they came off. The toughest part was separating the back casing, as you do need quite a few prying picks or guitar picks.
Just be careful with the motherboard, slowly remove the tape that covers the connectors, you don't want to rip apart any flat cables. And don't throw away that tape, you will need it.

Ohh i have the same issue.i used phone normally before and battery worked fine.but then i flashed ICE rom and when i was using the camera this happend.is this really a battery issue?
Sent from my HTC Desire EYE using XDA-Developers mobile app

Kasun72 said:
Ohh i have the same issue.i used phone normally before and battery worked fine.but then i flashed ICE rom and when i was using the camera this happend.is this really a battery issue?
Sent from my HTC Desire EYE using XDA-Developers mobile app
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Well if yours symptoms are the same as clemdaddy has, then yes. Sorry, but at least now you know what the problem is.

Got the new battery today and performed the phone surgery. All the connections looked good. Pieced it all back together and everything works BUT the new battery won't charge. The phone is running off the battery, so the connections I made must be correct. Running off the battery the phone no longer exhibits the symptoms I described above (so this most likely confirms my previous battery was the culprit). I tried the hold all buttons for 2 minutes to re-calibrate the new battery. All that did was made the phone now display a full battery (instead of the empty battery it initially showed).
On the weekend I'll open it up again and see if I missed something.

Got the replacement battery. Re-opened up the phone. This time I over heated the upper and lower panels which caused them both to warp a bit, and one of them to have its paint bubble :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:
I replaced the new defective battery with the most recent one. Put the phone back together and it is back to normal again! Also probably because of the over heating, there is now a little bit of a rainbow effect on the lower part of the LCD screen!
A real pity the first battery was defective, causing me to have to re-open it and carelessly overheat it. Otherwise the 1st attempt would have been a flawless repair!
With the warped panels, the bubbling paint and now the rainbow effect on the screen, I wonder how long I'll keep the phone. These little things are definitely bugging me... If I get rid of it, I'll really miss my google edition htc one m8! Nothing like a nexus like experience with a remove-able microSD card. Such a thing no longer exists

HTC 10 while completely shut down lost 35% battery level in 1 day

While waiting for a replacement SIM card for my HTC 10, I had fully charged it then powered it off. The next day, I wanted to check something on the phone, so I powered it up. The battery level wasn't 100% or in the 90's... it was a shocking 65%.
I've owned 4 different Android cellphones prior to this one. None of them ever exhibited this kind of power drop while shut down. Most lose just a couple of percentage points when in standby. Clearly something is wrong with this phone...
Does anyone know if there's any kind of parasitic drain on the battery of the HTC 10 even while completely off? It's running Oreo. Either this, or the battery is somehow worn out enough that it can't even hold a charge when sitting idle. Any ideas?

Hi, maybe your battery is not so healthy anymore.
Still you can try this:
''Power off phone.
Plug phone into HTC charger and charge for two minutes or more
While charging, hold down volume up+volume down+power button and continue holding
Phone will turn on and off repeatedly every 15 seconds or so while continuing to hold all three buttons
Keep this going for 2 minutes, then release buttons when phone is ON
Now, let phone charge fully normally (with phone either on or off--doesn't matter) and battery level reporting, charging and battery life should be normalized.''
Supposedly it's the recommended procedure by HTC.

^ Yes, I'm very familiar with that procedure and had done it several times. And then was fully charged after that. And by the way, I said 1 day but it was actually 12 hours later, which is even worse!
I conducted another experiment... with the phone battery level at 77%, I first put it in Airplane mode and then shut it down completely. Well, about 18 hours later, guess what? Battery level showed 76% upon boot up! Remarkable. If the phone is SHUT DOWN, I can't understand how there would be any possible parasitic drain difference between normal mode and airplane mode. There should be NOTHING running. Or, instead of parasitic, this may just be happenstance of what cells inside the battery itself were taxed. I'll have to try this again from 100% charge, just to be sure.

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cytherian said:
^ Yes, I'm very familiar with that procedure and had done it several times. And then was fully charged after that. And by the way, I said 1 day but it was actually 12 hours later, which is even worse!
I conducted another experiment... with the phone battery level at 77%, I first put it in Airplane mode and then shut it down completely. Well, about 18 hours later, guess what? Battery level showed 76% upon boot up! Remarkable. If the phone is SHUT DOWN, I can't understand how there would be any possible parasitic drain difference between normal mode and airplane mode. There should be NOTHING running. Or, instead of parasitic, this may just be happenstance of what cells inside the battery itself were taxed. I'll have to try this again from 100% charge, just to be sure.
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I have what may be a similar problem , I charge phone to 100% let it sit , it drops to 43% when I pick it up it reboot and continues to reboot, boot recovery now it shows 1%, plugin phone boot up and it shows 43%.

pbazw said:
I have what may be a similar problem , I charge phone to 100% let it sit , it drops to 43% when I pick it up it reboot and continues to reboot, boot recovery now it shows 1%, plugin phone boot up and it shows 43%.
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I think that when you charge it to 100%, it's not really 100%. The phone may be displaying that figure, but the battery isn't fully charged. And if your battery has suffered deep discharge a number of times, it could have a very diminished mAh capacity at this point. This is why the phone continues to reboot. The operating system starts and it thinks there's enough power to start up, but the battery is actually down to 1%, so the battery protection circuitry kicks in and forces a shut down. The operating system doesn't register this as a normal shutdown, so it goes into reboot mode. And thus, pattern keeps repeating until you plug in the phone to a power source.

Well, I did another test. I charged the phone up to 100%, put it in airplane mode, and then shut it down. A little over 12 hours later, I turned it on and battery level showed 98%. That was curious. Did airplane mode really make a difference? Didn't make sense... until I decided to reboot the phone, just to be sure. And guess what it showed after that? 61%. So my theory was right -- there is no parasitic drain really. It's the battery having some kind of problem. I rebooted again... 59%. Rebooted again 59%. Then I held down all 3 buttons for 5 cycles and rebooted. 59%. So that is actual.
When I charged up the phone, I had done the 3 button hold-down a couple of times and recharged until rebooting stayed in the upper 90 percent. So, the phone most definitely should have been fully charged. This battery is damaged... and given what I learned from the previous owner, who simply never let it drop down below 50% (always recharged when between 50~60%), and pristine external condition, this is just a prime example of the substandard battery and/or battery management firmware.

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Well, I did another test. I charged the phone up to 100%, put it in airplane mode, and then shut it down. A little over 12 hours later, I turned it on and battery level showed 98%. That was curious. Did airplane mode really make a difference? Didn't make sense... until I decided to reboot the phone, just to be sure. And guess what it showed after that? 61%. So my theory was right -- there is no parasitic drain really. It's the battery having some kind of problem. I rebooted again... 59%. Rebooted again 59%. Then I held down all 3 buttons for 5 cycles and rebooted. 59%. So that is actual.
When I charged up the phone, I had done the 3 button hold-down a couple of times and recharged until rebooting stayed in the upper 90 percent. So, the phone most definitely should have been fully charged. This battery is damaged... and given what I learned from the previous owner, who simply never let it drop down below 50% (always recharged when between 50~60%), and pristine external condition, this is just a prime example of the substandard battery and/or battery management firmware.
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I experienced something like that last week, where I left it in airplane mode for like 8 hours. I went out did things, came back later and it was litterly being reported at the same thing. Like 68%. It was really weird. Then I had started using the device for like an hour. And it only dropped like 1 or 2%. It was the exact opposite of what we are used to seeing. I was doing youtube, playing a game. Not normal. Then finally the drainage started up again.
Today the device dropped pretty quick to around 35% so I plugged it in to charge. Came back like 15 minutes later and it was reported around 69%. I thought that was way too quick for 15 minutes. Granted it was a quick charge 2 charger, but still, I've never seen that quick of a charge on the 10 or my V20.
I'm really at a loss what to think as far as calibration, what the battery is telling us. I'm thinking of unlocking, throwing on Leedroid and Elemental kernel. I just don't have the time to go through all that yet. Glad I have my backup phones.
My 10 is also like yours in pristine condition. Granted I didn't ask how the seller how tye used the battery before me, but I also never researched problems with the 10 before buying. I was under the assumption since I've been an HTC customer from the M7 and M8, that the 10 would also have a good battery. Same or maybe better than my V20. Especially since they both use the 820 chipset. I guess I'm paying for my ignorance now.

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My 10 is also like yours in pristine condition. Granted I didn't ask how the seller how tye used the battery before me, but I also never researched problems with the 10 before buying. I was under the assumption since I've been an HTC customer from the M7 and M8, that the 10 would also have a good battery. Same or maybe better than my V20. Especially since they both use the 820 chipset. I guess I'm paying for my ignorance now.
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Same as you... great value from HTC phones up until the HTC 10 (having skipped the M9).
I'm in a pre-return mode right now with the seller. She has given me the OK to do a return. But I'm going to see if she might welcome the opportunity to do a partial refund. Because if she takes back the phone I don't know if she's going to try reselling it or give it to a family member to deal with. It's a hassle selling a phone that has problems. My thought is, if I can work out a good price (like half the cost of a typical charge--got two quotes for $140 and $150), I'll go ahead and try to do the battery change myself. But then... I'm a little unsure about jumping down that rabbit hole. It may work fine, but I usually keep a new (to me) phone for at least 2 years. If I'm having battery trouble 12 months from now, I'll be pretty PO'ed at myself. I've already wasted too much time on this debacle.
The other option is going with a Google Pixel. I'm frustrated, because I missed that recent Woot! deal on the Google Pixel that ran a few days ago. They all sold off in less than a day. Refurbished Pixel phones with 32Gb ($200) and 128Gb ($244) sizes. I'd have sprung for the 128Gb. But the Pixel isn't free of issues. There's a dreaded screen burn-in that happens on some models. Unpredictable. And when it does, it's a PITA to replace the screen, almost as bad as the HTC 10.
Lastly... I might just say screw-it and stick with my M8 for the next couple of years, until 5G phones with solid electrolyte lithium batteries are available. Phone companies are starting to do customers a disservice with this "sealed in" battery fiasco. Next thing you know, they'll be revoking the Micro SD memory card slot, like Apple.

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Same as you... great value from HTC phones up until the HTC 10 (having skipped the M9).
I'm in a pre-return mode right now with the seller. She has given me the OK to do a return. But I'm going to see if she might welcome the opportunity to do a partial refund. Because if she takes back the phone I don't know if she's going to try reselling it or give it to a family member to deal with. It's a hassle selling a phone that has problems. My thought is, if I can work out a good price (like half the cost of a typical charge--got two quotes for $140 and $150), I'll go ahead and try to do the battery change myself. But then... I'm a little unsure about jumping down that rabbit hole. It may work fine, but I usually keep a new (to me) phone for at least 2 years. If I'm having battery trouble 12 months from now, I'll be pretty PO'ed at myself. I've already wasted too much time on this debacle.
The other option is going with a Google Pixel. I'm frustrated, because I missed that recent Woot! deal on the Google Pixel that ran a few days ago. They all sold off in less than a day. Refurbished Pixel phones with 32Gb ($200) and 128Gb ($244) sizes. I'd have sprung for the 128Gb. But the Pixel isn't free of issues. There's a dreaded screen burn-in that happens on some models. Unpredictable. And when it does, it's a PITA to replace the screen, almost as bad as the HTC 10.
Lastly... I might just say screw-it and stick with my M8 for the next couple of years, until 5G phones with solid electrolyte lithium batteries are available. Phone companies are starting to do customers a disservice with this "sealed in" battery fiasco. Next thing you know, they'll be revoking the Micro SD memory card slot, like Apple.
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Yeah, I'm thinking to hold on to the device. Thought same that I'd try to sell it, but a hassle. Plus I'm still not convinced its hardware yet. I still kind of feel like its something to do with latest Oreo firmware. Possibly Nougat as well. I'm starting to research downgrading via S-on to Nougat or Marshmallow and just leave it that way if the battery returns somewhat normal. While its a pain to do downgrade, its something I'd consider when I have more time. However, if this was my only device, or main device, then I'd probably cut my losses with it.
Tell you one thing, certainly makes me appreciate the M8 much more than i did!

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Yeah, I'm thinking to hold on to the device. Thought same that I'd try to sell it, but a hassle. Plus I'm still not convinced its hardware yet. I still kind of feel like its something to do with latest Oreo firmware. Possibly Nougat as well. I'm starting to research downgrading via S-on to Nougat or Marshmallow and just leave it that way if the battery returns somewhat normal. While its a pain to do downgrade, its something I'd consider when I have more time. However, if this was my only device, or main device, then I'd probably cut my losses with it.
Tell you one thing, certainly makes me appreciate the M8 much more than i did!
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Marshmallow has been a decent version of the Android O/S. You can really spruce it up nicely with different themes. I recently revised the theme on my M8 and it's super. It's just a very dependable phone. And when you get used to that, it's a shock to run into the mess of other phones. Pretty stunned to see all the troubles that the Pixel encountered. Apparently the Pixel-2 has some pretty serious challenges as well, like screen burn-in. I'd never even thought of rolling an HTC 10 back to Marshmallow. Is that really possible? It may not be necessary... as it could all come down to the kernel Go S-OFF and load up a replacement like ElementalX.
So I did a complete factory reset on the phone as I prepped it for returning to the seller. What a pain in the butt... having to wait for the initialization. Took over an hour to complete. Anyway, I made the mistake after initialization and before configuring an account to do the 3-button power cycle. Apparently that wipes all preparation cache, so it had to go through it yet again. After that, I did the cycling 3 times from 99% and it dropped only 1% each time. Baffling. I rebooted several times after that, expecting to see a repeat of that 35~40% drop. Stayed in the high 90's. So with that mystical "recovery" I ran the HTC battery test... and it did just as poorly as before. Definitely something out of whack between the O/S and battery.
I really wish there was a definitive explanation for this. If battery replacement was guaranteed to eliminate it, then I'd feel more comfortable going with a battery change. Would just hate to get burned 12 months later, finding the same issue repeat.

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I'd never even thought of rolling an HTC 10 back to Marshmallow. Is that really possible? It may not be necessary... as it could all come down to the kernel. Go S-OFF and load up ElementalX.
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You can, also flash a kernel..... WITHOUT being s-off, s-off has never been needed to change kernel. Please elaborate and stop giving false info.
Thank you.

cytherian said:
Marshmallow has been a decent version of the Android O/S. You can really spruce it up nicely with different themes. I recently revised the theme on my M8 and it's super. It's just a very dependable phone. And when you get used to that, it's a shock to run into the mess of other phones. Pretty stunned to see all the troubles that the Pixel encountered. Apparently the Pixel-2 has some pretty serious challenges as well, like screen burn-in. I'd never even thought of rolling an HTC 10 back to Marshmallow. Is that really possible? It may not be necessary... as it could all come down to the kernel. Go S-OFF and load up ElementalX.
So I did a complete factory reset on the phone as I prepped it for returning to the seller. What a pain in the butt... having to wait for the initialization. Took over an hour to complete. Anyway, I made the mistake after initialization and before configuring an account to do the 3-button power cycle. Apparently that wipes all preparation cache, so it had to go through it yet again. After that, I did the cycling 3 times from 99% and it dropped only 1% each time. Baffling. I rebooted several times after that, expecting to see a repeat of that 35~40% drop. Stayed in the high 90's. So with that mystical "recovery" I ran the HTC battery test... and it did just as poorly as before. Definitely something out of whack between the O/S and battery.
I really wish there was a definitive explanation for this. If battery replacement was guaranteed to eliminate it, then I'd feel more comfortable going with a battery change. Would just hate to get burned 12 months later, finding the same issue repeat.
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Looks like you can downgrade to Nougat or Marshmallow based on this thread here. Can do it remaining S-On.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/how-to/how-to-rollback-oreo-to-marshmallow-s-t3787101
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You can, also flash a kernel..... WITHOUT being s-off, s-off has never been needed to change kernel. Please elaborate and stop giving false info.
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It wasn't my intention to give false info. I had the impression from what I'd read that making changes at that level required it. But you've obviously got a tremendous amount of experience so I'll revise my understanding. Thank you.