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Battery drain improvement

First off let me say, you guys have done a great job in getting this project as far as it has. XDAndroid is great!
As much as I try to use it full time, the battery drain issue is a drag. If i'm lucky ill get about 6 hours with regular use (only keep gtalk and gmail running in the background) but alas this just isnt long enough in my hectic life, as my journeys into public are usually more than 6 hours.
So what are the chances of battery drain improvement? Is there any hope that it can be improved? Some fine tuning with the kernel and the drivers? Or is this as good as it gets?
Keep up the good work guys.

This project is literally being reverse-engineered... so it's not exactly easy.
Plus, power management always seems to have some fancy proprietary features behind it to be truly robust, which will take a long time for this project to sort out.
It's one of those things that kinda kills a project as well - not that it's killed this project by any means, but it's one of those 800lb gorillas that everyone tries to ignore - mainly because of the difficulty that is inherent.

silverkiller said:
First off let me say, you guys have done a great job in getting this project as far as it has. XDAndroid is great!
As much as I try to use it full time, the battery drain issue is a drag. If i'm lucky ill get about 6 hours with regular use (only keep gtalk and gmail running in the background) but alas this just isnt long enough in my hectic life, as my journeys into public are usually more than 6 hours.
So what are the chances of battery drain improvement? Is there any hope that it can be improved? Some fine tuning with the kernel and the drivers? Or is this as good as it gets?
Keep up the good work guys.
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I honestly believe the battery life could be improved. We're still at a rather incomplete stage, after all.. seeing as how we lack GPS, Camera, and complete Bluetooth support? I know there was work recently done to cleanup some low-level kernel parts which improved headset support. I'd say that it's not hopeless because if the G1 can run Android reasonably well, the HTC Touch Pro, Diamond, etc.. all could as well. That's just my take on it.

I didn't mean to imply it couldn't be improved - not by a long shot. Just that it is a mysterious piece in the puzzle.
It's not so cut-and-dry as say GPS - it works or it doesn't. Battery life, it's one of those fuzzy things that seems to be different for everyone. So I certainly hope (and feel) that it can be improved, just don't expect it to happen anytime soon.

i hope to sell my fuze in the near future, April and buy a g1 yayy.

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i hope to sell my fuze in the near future, April and buy a g1 yayy.
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Not sure how this applies to this thread... or why you would choose a G1 when there's so many better Android devices out there now. But that still doesn't explain why you posted in this thread.
Back to the thread, I'm hoping for some battery drain improvement... the camera, GPS, BT, etc would all be very nice, but I could use Android full time without them. It's exceedingly difficult to use Android full time with the battery in the state it's in.

I agree. While I do like the functionality in the state its in, it is not practical for me to use a phone o/s that can't last 6 hours with moderate use. I went back to winmo for the first time in a couple months and was reminded how much better it is at sipping battery life. I hope to use Android full time in the future once battery life gets a bit better.

i am sure the devs will find a solution to this..same goes to certain roms..some said the battery life is bad..but then,the devs managed to fix the battery issue,boom!back to normal..so,i think XDAndroid will improve..just give it some time though..

I'm being hopeful that they can, they've worked wonders before, so I'm sure its possible.
Hoping I get a job in this economic climate as well, then I can buy me a snapdragon powered android beast.

BoldFace said:
I agree. While I do like the functionality in the state its in, it is not practical for me to use a phone o/s that can't last 6 hours with moderate use. I went back to winmo for the first time in a couple months and was reminded how much better it is at sipping battery life. I hope to use Android full time in the future once battery life gets a bit better.
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I agree with you totally. I wish I could use Android as a main OS but that's impossible. So many issues, so many bugs!
I would like to thank all the guys who've been working on this project, I guess I'll have a glance on it in several months to see the improvements

First of all its really awesome to have Android running on Winmo.. Like all other users, im also experiencing the heavy battery drain while using android. One other i have noticed is the my fuze gets really heated up while using Android. Does anyone know why?
Lets hope the developers out there will be able to put together a decent xdandroid with gps and bluetooth anytime soon and will be able to fix the battery drain.

deathrowz_sri said:
First of all its really awesome to have Android running on Winmo.. Like all other users, im also experiencing the heavy battery drain while using android. One other i have noticed is the my fuze gets really heated up while using Android. Does anyone know why?
Lets hope the developers out there will be able to put together a decent xdandroid with gps and bluetooth anytime soon and will be able to fix the battery drain.
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I used to have insane heat issues when I first started running Android, but it's gotten much better for me.
Do you run wifi a lot? I know people were complaining about that heating up the device, which is kind of expected.
As far as the cause of the heat issue, I don't think anyone really *knows* why. There's a lot of issues, the main one being this is not exactly a "manufacturer-sanctioned" project - which means the devs working on this project are pretty much making educated guesses on everything. Power management has made great improvements, but still has some way to go.
I'm not sure if this project is ever going to become a "complete" replacement for WinMo, I sure hope that it one day is... but I'm not holding my breath.
With that said, I love the work the devs have done. I'm extremely impressed that the project has made it this far, so there really is no telling how far it can go or where it will end.

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There is really only one thing I have to say.....I'm not going to dwell on the fact PEOPLE cant get the camera etc.....to work. That really to me doesn't really matter.
The thing that does get me and bother me.....Is the fact that the geniuses that work at/for XDA are so worried about every else to work for xdandroid......EXCEPT the battery....lmao. Now I can deal with not being able to use the camera or GPS or whatever the case may be, but if I have 5 hours to enjoy it twice a day.......WTF....lol.....
Now I'm not trying to piss anybody off because every developer here works hard at what they do...props to them. But come one you should really prioritize the things you fix.
In short if you have 5 hours to use something that is half way done compared to 2 days to use on something halfway done......Who in this forum would be WAY more excited....lol....be honest.
This is just a suggestion....and I'm not trying to piss anybody off....but come on.....think about it.....people wouldnt want their camera to work for 5 mins and then have to charge their phone jus to make a phone call...lol.
Congrats to all the developers on all the good work they have did so far. I know its hard work to do esspecially for free. But really good job guys. I know it must be hard. Cause my thing is computers so I know phones are in a whole different

Yeah I'd have to agree that the battery drain is what is probably going to be a deal killer for me. The work to make all of the features (pretty much) function is impressive to say the least. Right now I'm running the 3/31 Eclair build and the super light ROM on my Fuze just to boot to linux, but it looks like I'll have to make sure to employ a full WinMo ROM with the Gen.Y Dual Boot. Not sure if there are issues with having functions enabled in the WinMo settings when trying to use Android, but hopefully it won't be too bad switching between the two. I know with my Rhodium it was impossible to really keep two fully functional builds up and running without having to boot into WinMo, disable a whole bunch of stuff, then finally run Haret.
Hopefully now that most of the features have been solved, power management come a bit more to the forefront, but you can't really expect great strides in short periods of time there. It's gonna take a lot of work and as mentioned earlier, power management and efficiency is some of the hardest stuff to crack. But seeing what these guys have already accomplished, I have faith. Until then, it's back to my NRG roms.

wormwizzle said:
There is really only one thing I have to say.....I'm not going to dwell on the fact PEOPLE cant get the camera etc.....to work. That really to me doesn't really matter.
The thing that does get me and bother me.....Is the fact that the geniuses that work at/for XDA are so worried about every else to work for xdandroid......EXCEPT the battery....lmao. Now I can deal with not being able to use the camera or GPS or whatever the case may be, but if I have 5 hours to enjoy it twice a day.......WTF....lol.....
Now I'm not trying to piss anybody off because every developer here works hard at what they do...props to them. But come one you should really prioritize the things you fix.
In short if you have 5 hours to use something that is half way done compared to 2 days to use on something halfway done......Who in this forum would be WAY more excited....lol....be honest.
This is just a suggestion....and I'm not trying to piss anybody off....but come on.....think about it.....people wouldnt want their camera to work for 5 mins and then have to charge their phone jus to make a phone call...lol.
Congrats to all the developers on all the good work they have did so far. I know its hard work to do esspecially for free. But really good job guys. I know it must be hard. Cause my thing is computers so I know phones are in a whole different
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Whether you're trying to or not, this kind of post really does piss me off. You have no idea what you're talking about if you say that nobody is trying to squeeze more battery life out of these devices.
Try sitting in the IRC channel for a day and watching what everybody in there talks about. Probably more than half of it will be about battery life. We all know it's not great and we all know that users will want a full day out of it. Knowing about it and fixing it are two different things and it's just not easy. There is barely any documentation available about the hardware because it's Windows Mobile, closed-source and for vendors only.
Unless you can sneak into Qualcomm's offices, steal their documentation*, and are willing to dive into the hardware and reverse-engineer the tons of software yourself, stop complaining about it. Constructive criticism is fine. Most of your post is pure complaining and doesn't help anybody or make anybody feel better about their work.
The developers thank you for using and testing this stuff, and in the future if you come across any new breakage, please don't hesitate to report it in the XDANDROID thread. But please do so in a friendly manner. None of the developers want anything to be broken.
* - This post is not meant to encourage anybody to actually plunder any official documentation.

stinebd said:
* - This post is not meant to encourage anybody to actually plunder any official documentation.
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But, should you work for Qualcomm or any of these companies... we wouldn't mind if some documentation did slip our way

stinebd said:
Whether you're trying to or not, this kind of post really does piss me off. You have no idea what you're talking about if you say that nobody is trying to squeeze more battery life out of these devices.
Try sitting in the IRC channel for a day and watching what everybody in there talks about. Probably more than half of it will be about battery life. We all know it's not great and we all know that users will want a full day out of it. Knowing about it and fixing it are two different things and it's just not easy. There is barely any documentation available about the hardware because it's Windows Mobile, closed-source and for vendors only.
Unless you can sneak into Qualcomm's offices, steal their documentation*, and are willing to dive into the hardware and reverse-engineer the tons of software yourself, stop complaining about it. Constructive criticism is fine. Most of your post is pure complaining and doesn't help anybody or make anybody feel better about their work.
The developers thank you for using and testing this stuff, and in the future if you come across any new breakage, please don't hesitate to report it in the XDANDROID thread. But please do so in a friendly manner. None of the developers want anything to be broken.
* - This post is not meant to encourage anybody to actually plunder any official documentation.
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I do not understand why people attack XDAndroid for battery issues when I am sitting at 40% without plugging my phone in for 11h 13m and 33s(looking at it right now). I mean, the situation with the battery is a hell of a lot more better than what Windows Mobile has to offer. I'd be down to a slightly lower percent by this point. And honestly, 12 hours and no need to plug in my phone? That's like a miracle with the RAPH110 :S. The battery itself is too weak to really handle one whole day to begin with. I guess people forget to account for that, too.
In my opinion, I think some people are doing away with BT now that it works and possibly running a ton of items in the background. Which of course, would hinder battery. The only things I have running are the messaging app, google talk, SMS Backup, and yeah. Never do I find myself on Wifi.. I'm always on data. So yeah. The heat issues in Android have gone down, too. Gosh.. it makes me mad that some people are so thoughtless >_<. The battery situation was an issue back in January and February. Not March/April. People seriously need to wake up. Power Management as it stands now can get you through a whole work day without needing to be on charge. I think we should focus more on ironing out bugs, cleaning up code, and adding more functionality. Sorry for the wall of text.. :S It just makes me so angry. Grr. Haha.

gm112 said:
I do not understand why people attack XDAndroid for battery issues when I am sitting at 40% without plugging my phone in for 11h 13m and 33s(looking at it right now). I mean, the situation with the battery is a hell of a lot more better than what Windows Mobile has to offer. I'd be down to a slightly lower percent by this point. And honestly, 12 hours and no need to plug in my phone? That's like a miracle with the RAPH110 :S. The battery itself is too weak to really handle one whole day to begin with. I guess people forget to account for that, too.
In my opinion, I think some people are doing away with BT now that it works and possibly running a ton of items in the background. Which of course, would hinder battery. The only things I have running are the messaging app, google talk, SMS Backup, and yeah. Never do I find myself on Wifi.. I'm always on data. So yeah. The heat issues in Android have gone down, too. Gosh.. it makes me mad that some people are so thoughtless >_<. The battery situation was an issue back in January and February. Not March/April. People seriously need to wake up. Power Management as it stands now can get you through a whole work day without needing to be on charge. I think we should focus more on ironing out bugs, cleaning up code, and adding more functionality. Sorry for the wall of text.. :S It just makes me so angry. Grr. Haha.
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I wish I was experiencing the same battery life that you are. Are you running the extended battery?
I'm not experiencing near the drain with my Energy ROM 23554 with sense 2.5, which I'm running with the Gen.Y dualboot app. Truth is, the Fuze's battery sucks balls to begin with, and my battery is getting a bit on the old side, so of course both of the OS's drain more than I'd like, but even with BT and WiFi on all day on the WinMo, and disabled in Android, the life is significantly longer on the WinMo side. Unfortunately, I spend a decent amount of time on the phone while I'm commuting or driving, and I refuse to do it without bluetooth, so I have to run WinMo when I'm in the car.
Yesterday with WiFi and BT turned off, and all tasks killed with the task killer, I lost 50% of my battery in standby over about 3.5 hours, but I really haven't let it sleep in Android longer than that....
Thing is, I can't really make an educated comparison between standby battery consumption on the Android side vs WinMo. With all the apps and "new" stuff (this is my first good Android build on any phone), I'm constantly using the phone when it's in Android mode. It almost never gets to see standby time LOL.... However, while under normal load, the Android build does seem to me to be quite a bit thirstier.... The fact is, it's amazing we're even at the point we're at now, and we should be thankful that the power consumption is ONLY at the level it's at now. It could be much worse. These guys have done a killer job.
Any sort of complaining right now is done out of ignorance for how difficult these kinds of issues are to solve. This isn't an 8th grade Home Ec project (although sewing that pillow in the shape of an inline skate was pretty hard too).

ragingclue said:
I wish I was experiencing the same battery life that you are. Are you running the extended battery?
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Whichever battery comes with the Fuze, man . I just overclocked my phone to 633mhz today, so.. let's see how that goes.
I'm not experiencing near the drain with my Energy ROM 23554 with sense 2.5, which I'm running with the Gen.Y dualboot app. Truth is, the Fuze's battery sucks balls to begin with, and my battery is getting a bit on the old side, so of course both of the OS's drain more than I'd like, but even with BT and WiFi on all day on the WinMo, and disabled in Android, the life is significantly longer on the WinMo side. Unfortunately, I spend a decent amount of time on the phone while I'm commuting or driving, and I refuse to do it without bluetooth, so I have to run WinMo when I'm in the car.
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Huh.. I don't use the build with the Sense UI. Though, from my experience, Windows Mobile wiped my battery out in 8 hours of extensive texting, which is how I use my phone these days as well. :S.
Yesterday with WiFi and BT turned off, and all tasks killed with the task killer, I lost 50% of my battery in standby over about 3.5 hours, but I really haven't let it sleep in Android longer than that....
Thing is, I can't really make an educated comparison between standby battery consumption on the Android side vs WinMo. With all the apps and "new" stuff (this is my first good Android build on any phone), I'm constantly using the phone when it's in Android mode. It almost never gets to see standby time LOL.... However, while under normal load, the Android build does seem to me to be quite a bit thirstier.... The fact is, it's amazing we're even at the point we're at now, and we should be thankful that the power consumption is ONLY at the level it's at now. It could be much worse. These guys have done a killer job.
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I suggest lowering the brightness a bit and maybe the screen time out as well?
Any sort of complaining right now is done out of ignorance for how difficult these kinds of issues are to solve. This isn't an 8th grade Home Ec project (although sewing that pillow in the shape of an inline skate was pretty hard too).
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/me remembers cutting his finger while sewing his pillow in 7th grade
Haha, it's all good man. Maybe my battery is in better shape than yours. I would LOVE to have the extended battery, though.

I can never get the sense ui package to work! Either the touchscreen does not work or it stays at the boot screens and keeps going over and over with them!

[Q] Advice needed on whether to flash or not

Hey guys,
Firstly, Thanks for taking the time to look at this post.
I bought a Desire HD last month and have been reading about how the battery adapts to your usage and eventually improves within two to three weeks. This hasnt been the case for me unfortunately. I take my phone off the charger exactly at 12 30pm before going to work and by the time I leave work around 9pm, my battery is usually sitting around the 40 - 45% mark with literally two to three minutes of usage throughout my shift! I tried JuiceDefender but didnt help at all. Also, I uninstalled all the apps I installed when I first got the phone just to check if that made a difference - it did not.
Now I'm no expert at this but from what I could make out from other threads, flashing my rom sounds like a promising option.
My question to the experts is, I have only had this phone for a month, I know it will void my warranty if I flash the rom but do I really need the warranty? I mean I never used any warranty before on any of my phones and since this is such a promising phone, I highly doubt it that something could go wrong (ofcourse with the exception of human error like dropping or losing the phone etc.) If I plan on flashing, which rom would you recommend to a rookie with almost no knowledge about flashing and roms etc but very eager to learn? Any tips, advice, anything at all would be really appreciated.
Thanks in advance to anyone thats going to contribute!

Hello,
First I am no expert . I have rooted and flashed just recently but I have learned a few things or two by hanging around excessively on the forum .
In my opinion battery life does improve ,Before rooting n flashing my overnight battery drain on standby mode was abt 9-10% n Now its abt 2-3%.
I started off with CM7 , though it is a very good ROM you won't get battery fix which you are looking for..still you should give it a try..may be it will work for you..
I tried 3-4 More ROMS before settling on MIUI..I keep coming back to it coz the battery life on it just amazing!!!...I get 20 hours+ on moderate usage..
Also radio for a ROM matters a lot...your battery life depends hugely on it...I tried about 6 different radios tll I found the correct one..
Also If you like Sense too much then you can try LeeDroid n RcMixHD both are very good Roms...though RcMicHD is better acc. to me..
So I think you should try these 3-4 Roms n see which suits you best.Hope I helped

Hi, I wholeheartedly agree with aradhyat.
MIUI IMO has all the benefits of Android & Cyanogen + Excellent UI Design.
Your warranty is safe. jkoljo contacted HTC and confirmed that software modifications do not void the warranty. Your carrier/network maybe a bit funny though.

Thanks heaps guys for such quick responses!
If flashing the rom doesnt void warranty, thats just superb. So I will give the mentioned rom a go and see how it works for me. Any tips for a guy who has never flashed a rom or anything like it? I'm pretty good with computers but just havent had any experience on this side.
Also, one question that was unanswered, is this normal for a battery to act this way on a stock rom? I mean the way its acting up for me, drains almost 60% while just sitting in my pocket or on my desk. Did any one of you also experience such a sucky battery life before flashing your roms?

No, your battery should not drain that fast under those conditions. It could be simply a misconfigured app that's hogging your juice.
What firmware are you currently using?

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well, no, not really, its not normal for the battery to act like that with Stock ROM.
I think it depends on your initial first battery charge time.
::The following story is copyrighted!::
me and my 3 brothers all got the Desire HD.
my first brother charged for approx 20hrs at the first time with the phone being closed, and his battery is fine.
my 2nd brother charged till the battery got full with the phone on, and his battery finishes in half a day without alot of usage.
They both warned me, 1st brother told me to charge for 20hrs, second told me to charge for 24hrs, i charged inbetween (22hrs), and my battery is good!
(but true story)
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my overnight battery drainage is 3%. once i didnt use it for a whole day, and it was still in its 90's.
I think it depends on how you intially charge your phone, it matters greatly (HTC recommends 8hrs charge at first)

Great, your firmware is Ok for rooting directly.
Follow this thread -- > HERE
Then this one --> HERE
There is some overlap, i.e Visionary so no need to perform that twice.
Once done. Install ROM Manager from the market, and flash Recovery from there.
Use 3.x.x.x for Gingerbread based ROMs
Or 2.x.x.x for FroYo based ROMs.
Now you are ready to flash some ROMs!

I turned it on the second I unboxed it (being the impatient pr**k I am). Does that mean I need a new battery? Or is there a remedy?

If you are experiencing such huge battery drain, I think you should get it checked b'coz Even when on stock I never had that much problem.t
Lol..I did the same but did you let it discharge it completely before charging it again or charged it right away after playing with it a little ..
coz I switched mine on as soon as i bought it but let it drain before charging for about 10-12 hours for the first time...

Yea, need new battery.
(try charging battery for a long time, i dont know if it'll help, but it wont hurt to try - IF that doesnt work, then i strongly recommend a new battery)
I was going mad waiting 22hrs!!!, but that meant wayy better battery power!
Search google or something on how to use the battery properly. i've had many issues in the past with batteries, but after reading articles, my batteries last longer now

Not sure if I remember what I did after playing with it, the excitement was so great I forgot about anything and everything else that mattered at that time

Sweet, thanks heaps for your help guys. Will be calling HTC and my service provider today just to double check with them too and afterwards flashing. I'm thinking of going for RcMixHD as alot of people have only good things to say about that rom. Any thoughts or ideas?

Turns out I had 28 days from date of purchase to get it swapped on the spot if there were any issues with the handset. Today was the 28th day, how fortunate!
Anyway, had it replaced and its on charge now, wont be turning it on any time soon though

just some advice
hey just a few words of advice from someone that has done a lot of flashing on numerous phones with numerous software types.
i reccomend getting a few little apps;
1. Titanium Backup (for safety i only back up apps I install + data)
2. SMS Backup and Restore (specifically for backing up sms/mms and works across different roms and even handsets)
3. Faster Fix (just in case if your phone doesnt set gps pool correctly causing a delay in time for fix
and just generally its pretty straight forward how to flash different roms especially after you do it a few times. but i do reccoment patience and time, and you will be fine and if anything happens just ask, everyone ehre is happy to help
Regards
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DHDRookie said:
Turns out I had 28 days from date of purchase to get it swapped on the spot if there were any issues with the handset. Today was the 28th day, how fortunate!
Anyway, had it replaced and its on charge now, wont be turning it on any time soon though
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Hahaha, lucky u! And good luck with ur new battery
Sent from my Desire HD

Started charging at 5pm yesterday and now its 1 30pm, think I'll take a nap before I get down to some serious flashing business. Thanks heaps for your help guys, some day I'll pay back in the form of experience and maybe add something to this community.

[Q] Best ROM for Skype?

Hi all
I'm so sick of switching ROMs on my EVO 4G!! My battery life seems to suck no matter which ROM I try. I've tested my battery; it's fine. What I'd like is to be able to use Skype (just chatting; rarely use voice on Skype) with my EVO and get more than 3 hours battery life. I don't use Skype constantly; just want to be able to use the phone for more than a few hours before it becomes a paperweight!
Right now, pretty much as soon as I log into Skype on the EVO the batt drops to 80% and continues to drop every 30 min or so. Forget web browsing or texting; that kills it so fast it's dead in 2 hours.
I'm running Deodexed 4.24.651.1 and have tried Cyanomod, Baked Snack, Stock rooted and they all suck for battery life with Skype.
Maybe I need a different kernel?
Any ideas???
Thanks in advance!

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Hi all
I'm so sick of switching ROMs on my EVO 4G!! My battery life seems to suck no matter which ROM I try. I've tested my battery; it's fine. What I'd like is to be able to use Skype (just chatting; rarely use voice on Skype) with my EVO and get more than 3 hours battery life. I don't use Skype constantly; just want to be able to use the phone for more than a few hours before it becomes a paperweight!
Right now, pretty much as soon as I log into Skype on the EVO the batt drops to 80% and continues to drop every 30 min or so. Forget web browsing or texting; that kills it so fast it's dead in 2 hours.
I'm running Deodexed 4.24.651.1 and have tried Cyanomod, Baked Snack, Stock rooted and they all suck for battery life with Skype.
Maybe I need a different kernel?
Any ideas???
Thanks in advance!
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Maybe because it's Saturday. I'm surprised they haven't jumped on you for posting this in this section. None of the roms that are gingerbread will have the life you had on 2.2 unless the code gets released and the guys that make kernels can make new ones. Battery life on the roms vary but if it means alot you should try Calkulin's rom. He has an undervolting script built in that may work for you. If you flash a kernel from the 2.2 roms you might get better battery life but something will break in the rom, ie camera.

Awesome development work dude!!!!!! Cant wait to try it out. Where's the download link??

My first idea would be posting in the correct section, or, it sucks that Skype and battery life blow on this rom you developed.
Since that is over, are you wiping properly with a formatall.zip? Are you making sure to flash the correct kernels with the corresponding rom? Are you restoring any data with titanium backup?
Move this to the q&a and you will get the information you are looking for.
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I thought you had to have 10 posts before you could post in the dev section?
simple answer - skype though awesome also sucks.
for example just think about a laptop. my 7 hr macbook pro dies in under 2 hrs when i'm video or phone chatting on skype... shouldn't the same be expected for a cell? you're getting 3 hours, albeit only chatting as you say, but skype has been and remains a highly demanding application which although is convenient and widely used IMO is poorly written considering it's cpu and battery drainage. compared to simple web based google chat w/ video I get far superior battery life. like i said, my opinion, my experience. and yes as mentioned, try undervolting or SBC kernels or both. My EVO has ranged from stock settings 5 hr life to deck's w/ tiamat sbc + vipermod approx 40 hours (the 40 was when it was honestly just idle most of the time, occasional call or text a little bit of browsing, i was sick so on laptop mostly- although typical moderate daily use I would still be above 20% before plug in before sleep)
as long as you mentioned it, anyone happen to know a stable skype apk with video that was pulled? i've tried different sources and a bunch of my usual roms and I either get only back camera for a little then crashing or front camera green fuzziness and crash instantly.

Why is it I needed like 10 posts to post here but this guy can ask questions like this with 6 posts? WTF?

charm1950 said:
Why is it I needed like 10 posts to post here but this guy can ask questions like this with 6 posts? WTF?
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First off, I apologize for this being here. I THOUGHT I was posting in the Q & A threads so please don't be snarky. I had the other thread open in another browser tab going back and forth looking for input. How it got accepted I don't know; as I said I thought it was going into the QA area. Sorry.
To altman, yes; I am doing a complete format/wipe and only restoring essentials via Titanium.
To 'crammed', try Tango; it's decent video chat, is free and is soon to be released for desktops too so cell to pc video chat will work. Tango is nice that it lets you utilize both front/rear facing cams (and did I mention it's free?). The big problem is trying to chat with folks who don't have cell access/unlimited minutes who need a desktop option like Skype, which is why I use it. With family in Poland and UK, Skype's the best way to stay connected for free for me but again, they don't have the same cellular access/plans so it's not possible to do cell to cell.
Thanks for the input

OP created his/her account before the 10 post restriction went into effect. The change was not retroactive.

tango is cool....i also use ClearSea...it's got the pc support so you can video chat between cell and pc...works pretty nice over 3g...
just an idea....

Decks 1.2.1 stable ROM in "advanced settings" in settings go to performance, go to VM heap set to 48
Savaged Zen 2.2.1 cfs SBC kernel
Battery calibration (market app) follow in app instructions
Setcpu (market app) my settings are 1152 Max 245 min savagedzen governor
Download rom manager and run fix permissions
Let it all sit 3 days, takes kernel that long to set and battery life gets better after a few full charges
I get great battery life. I get upwards of 20 hours easy and I use my phone heavily so, hopefully this will help
Next time please post your questions in the q and a section, dev is for someone who has something they have developed for the community to use. Thanks
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You guys sound like he should be hanged for posting here. Lol people make mistakes, it isn't that big of an issue.
If battery life is an issue for you, you have a few options. You can jump to CM7 or Evo Deck and set them up properly. With either of those, you can flash a nice kernel and set clock speeds accordingly. Battery life is going to suck on any 2.3.3 Rom right now, because developers have no access to the source code for the kernel. HTC is taking their sweet time.
However, you can also look into extended batteries. I have a one I found on ebay for about $16, and it's wonderful. The phone has a little bulk now, but I am currently sitting at 16.25 hours off the charger, and I'm at 32%. This is also on Synergy currently, so there is no custom kernel or anything in use.
Just a few thoughts.
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GeneralSky2004 said:
You guys sound like he should be hanged for posting here. Lol people make mistakes, it isn't that big of an issue.
If battery life is an issue for you, you have a few options. You can jump to CM7 or Evo Deck and set them up properly. With either of those, you can flash a nice kernel and set clock speeds accordingly. Battery life is going to suck on any 2.3.3 Rom right now, because developers have no access to the source code for the kernel. HTC is taking their sweet time.
However, you can also look into extended batteries. I have a one I found on ebay for about $16, and it's wonderful. The phone has a little bulk now, but I am currently sitting at 16.25 hours off the charger, and I'm at 32%. This is also on Synergy currently, so there is no custom kernel or anything in use.
Just a few thoughts.
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+1. It's easy to screw up when you've been up all night downloading and flashing the newest versions of your favorite ROMs or desperately seeking the answers you need. No need to grab your torches once the first 14 people have cried "wrong section" (most of whom then offer advice afterward, enabling much?)

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Why is it I needed like 10 posts to post here but this guy can ask questions like this with 6 posts? WTF?
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I have a better question:
Why is it that someone felt it necessary to bump a post that clearly was ignored by everyone and put on the second or third page just to flame someone?
This thread went unnoticed with no replies for over an hour and yet someone felt that necessary.
That **** is just as bad as posting in the wrong section, if not worse.

i have been a member of this forum for about a year now. and as you can tell i have very few posts. The ones i do are simply to say thanks to someone who made an awesome rom/kernel/etc. I spend most of the time searching for the answers im looking for. perhaps if you looked in the right section and researched a bit before you continuously flashed your phone you would know what is going on with it.
gotta love people that just jump of the cliff because the guy in front of did...

Check out my sig, AOSP setup would probably help you with battery life. Current radios too

Zac95 said:
Let it all sit 3 days, takes kernel that long to set and battery life gets better after a few full charges
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Can you elaborate on this a little? I don't necessarily wanna bump this thread, but being a Comp. Sci. major, this seems odd to me.. What does it mean for a kernel to 'set'?
Or are you talking about the collection of data for the accurate battery reading (batters stats)?

mellie815 said:
First off, I apologize for this being here. I THOUGHT I was posting in the Q & A threads so please don't be snarky. I had the other thread open in another browser tab going back and forth looking for input. How it got accepted I don't know; as I said I thought it was going into the QA area. Sorry.
To altman, yes; I am doing a complete format/wipe and only restoring essentials via Titanium.
To 'crammed', try Tango; it's decent video chat, is free and is soon to be released for desktops too so cell to pc video chat will work. Tango is nice that it lets you utilize both front/rear facing cams (and did I mention it's free?). The big problem is trying to chat with folks who don't have cell access/unlimited minutes who need a desktop option like Skype, which is why I use it. With family in Poland and UK, Skype's the best way to stay connected for free for me but again, they don't have the same cellular access/plans so it's not possible to do cell to cell.
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Thanks for the tip. I wasn't directing the 10 post mark at you btw, more at moderators/XDA in general. My first account was locked for "spamming" I presume to get 10 posts whereas I actually spent hours answering ppl's questions in the q & a but I guess the short time frame wasn't liked. But I digress, I'm not so in need for cell to cell as much as a nice universal cell to cell/desktop cross platform and unfortunately skype is the most popular. My girlfriend as well as many friends/relatives also don't have the latest phones so the cell to desktop is wanted. for now I'm just sticking to gtalk, with isn't without it's errors either.
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Can you elaborate on this a little? I don't necessarily wanna bump this thread, but being a Comp. Sci. major, this seems odd to me.. What does it mean for a kernel to 'set'?
Or are you talking about the collection of data for the accurate battery reading (batters stats)?
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... Kernel to set meaning it takes a bit for it to settle down to the way it will normally function, call it "breaking it in" or like how you gotta drive a car a few thousand miles before your performance and MPG are where the manufacturer claims itll be... Yeah I kinda like the second analogy, go me!
Frequent flashing or flashing too soon sort of doesn't give the rom or kernel a chance because they haven't stabilized, often why some people praise while at the same time others curse a rom/kernel. Myself included :/ yikes. I found that to be true when deck was held up on his updates for almost a week and my phone was amazing, but I updated and went back into the loop of constant flashing so keep that in mind, if you're set on giving s rom and kernel a shot, give it at least a few days of the kind of use you NORMALLY would. If you're playing with it all day and it dies don't call it shotty battery life until you keep it in your pocket most of the day during the week. Not trying to berate anyone, I've done these same things myself, patience is a virtue after all.

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i have been a member of this forum for about a year now. and as you can tell i have very few posts. The ones i do are simply to say thanks to someone who made an awesome rom/kernel/etc. I spend most of the time searching for the answers im looking for. perhaps if you looked in the right section and researched a bit before you continuously flashed your phone you would know what is going on with it.
gotta love people that just jump of the cliff because the guy in front of did...
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lol reddy
I DID research the ROMs extensively; that's why I'm frustrated. I've tried so many after reading about how great they are. I'm not saying they AREN'T great either, just not working where I live. There's no 4G coverage already and 3G is spotty. Even if I don't load Skype at all I can't get 8 hours off my EVO before it dies.
When you rely on your phone for business like I do, even without Skype at all, you gotta be able to get through a normal workday or the phone's a pretty paperweight and not much else. Right now, I HAVE to plug it in at work or it won't last 8 hours and that just sux.

mellie815 said:
lol reddy
I DID research the ROMs extensively; that's why I'm frustrated. I've tried so many after reading about how great they are. I'm not saying they AREN'T great either, just not working where I live. There's no 4G coverage already and 3G is spotty. Even if I don't load Skype at all I can't get 8 hours off my EVO before it dies.
When you rely on your phone for business like I do, even without Skype at all, you gotta be able to get through a normal workday or the phone's a pretty paperweight and not much else. Right now, I HAVE to plug it in at work or it won't last 8 hours and that just sux.
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Well then the issue lies with the network not your Rom
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(Mcgyver: FIXED) MB525 BL7 and Battery: Ongoing

ok long story short. never flashed a kernal before but i decided to try cm10 and went with the gingerbread build and so i flashed the kernal and cm10 compatible rom. it wasnt running very well so i flashed back to the froyo kernal and the compatible cm10 rom.
all was ok but i wanted to go back to cm7 because the phone was considerably faster and so...
today tried to restore one of my cm7 kang back ups from recovery and the phone died. i think what happened is i got mixed up with the back ups and i must have restored the gingerbread cm10 first and without realiszing it flashed the cm7 with a froyo kernal and bang we have a dead phone. it simply wouldnt boot past the google lettering and so when i got home i decided to flash a full sbf and start from scratch however when i tired i got the dreaded battery low error so i followed this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=892026
and it worked but rsd lite didnt show my phone. there was simply nothing there when i started it. all very annoying so i uninstalled everything and by the time i started again i got the message battery low.
so my question is can mcgyver work if the battery is actually really low say 10-20 per cent or less?
is it worth buying a new fully charged battery and using that?
why wouldnt rsd lite recognize my phone?
is there anyway to charge the battery when it is like this?
nb. i am running windows 7 sp1 and have installed the latest drivers and rsd lite am my phone is a moto defy m525 red lense.
all very annoying and in five years of rooting and flashing i have never been in a situation where i couldnt recover it. too be honest i have been here before with the defy but i had a spare battery and a proper wall charger and so that was problem solved but i dont own them anymore and i am now not sure/ cant remember if a simple full battery will help hence the questions.

In theory it should work. You are supplying the terminals with the intended 5V and a ground.
However it is recommended to charge your battery, use an external battery charger and then flash the SBF. Its hell of a risk trying to flash SBF with low battery. The phone may actually brick with no way to restore it.

it is strange but using the mcgyver method i can get the bootloader ready to program i simply cant get rsd lite to see my phone and neither does windows. there are loads of posts and threads on this but not many (none actually when the situation i am is mentioned) offer a solution.
so i have ordered a new battery which will hopefully arrive tomorrow and i will see how we get on from there.

rockmonkey1973 said:
it is strange but using the mcgyver method i can get the bootloader ready to program i simply cant get rsd lite to see my phone and neither does windows. there are loads of posts and threads on this but not many (none actually when the situation i am is mentioned) offer a solution.
so i have ordered a new battery which will hopefully arrive tomorrow and i will see how we get on from there.
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do u have blank flash mode enabled in rsd?
does defy show up in device manager?
try switching usb ports
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doh!
amazing i simply used another cable and usb port and then i had to unplug it and plug it again and drivers started to be installed. (i had already installed motos drivers but hey windows wanted more!).
i also went back to the older 4.9 version of rsd lite. it has been a long long time since i have had to do this. installing nordic and will try and install one of my other back ups. all should be well very soon fingers crossed.
looks like the spare battery i bought will be going back then. oh well.
cheers mate your post prompted me to try again and just tinker and it worked so appreciate that.
edit: seems a bit stuck and i am now a little unsure what to do. the android bootscreen is stuck and rsd lite is saying maually power up this phone. i am a little concerned because it is still saying in process even though it has flashed the sbf. i have tried turning it off and nothing happens. it looks like i am actually going to have to unplug the cables remove the mgyver wires and take out the battery and boot it.
bollox. it is dead again so i have to start again. trying a different sbf this time. not sure what happened there. maybe i was too impatient?
honestly not sure what is happening here. i have tried a standard blurred sbf 2.2 and the phone is now stuck on the m animation and rsd lite iks omce again saying manually start this phone. what in the world do i do next?
ah god i will have to do some more reading because it is ****ed. i now have a white light and black screen. rsd lite just remained stuck at 100 per cent in process and manually boot your phone. have tried it three times and that is all i get. not sure if it is because i am flashing froyo sbfs when i have had a 2.3 kernal on the device? it is why i have avoided flashing them in the first place and the first time i ever do bang i get a bricked phone when i try to restore it back to cm7. the phone came with 2.1 so should i be flashing them?
very boring and very very annoying.
getting quite tired of this little game and am on the brink of buying another phone.

ok i have a red lense defy and after much reading i have realised that i must be flashing the wrong sbfs now call me stupid but i actually am very confused about which one i need to flash.
i started on 2.1 originally then i flashed 2.2 and then stuck cm7 on the phone with a froyo kernal. however when i upgraded to cm10 i tried the 2.3 kernal.
so with this background in mind will this work???
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1595013
can i follow this to flash the sbf and get root?
or is there another sbf i need to flash. all i need to be able to do is root the phone and install cwm and then i can flash one of my back ups (properly this time).

rockmonkey1973 said:
ok i have a red lense defy and after much reading i have realised that i must be flashing the wrong sbfs now call me stupid but i actually am very confused about which one i need to flash.
i started on 2.1 originally then i flashed 2.2 and then stuck cm7 on the phone with a froyo kernal. however when i upgraded to cm10 i tried the 2.3 kernal.
so with this background in mind will this work???
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1595013
can i follow this to flash the sbf and get root?
or is there another sbf i need to flash. all i need to be able to do is root the phone and install cwm and then i can flash one of my back ups (properly this time).
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Thats for BL7.. Some Defy+ with 2.3.6 were BL7. You definitely don't need to flash it..
Just flash the last SBF that worked for you..

neo.ank said:
Thats for BL7.. Some Defy+ with 2.3.6 were BL7. You definitely don't need to flash it..
Just flash the last SBF that worked for you..
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yes mate i did the last sbf i flashed over a year ago was nordic and i got the error as listed above. have no idea what i am doing wrong but i must be doing something. trouble is the new battery has arrived and i have already tried a new sbf and still getting the same problem... manually need to reboot the phone.
bit worrying because obviously i will only have a certain number of tries before this new battery dies on me.
edit: absolutely annoying. part of the problem with the guides on here are that they are mostly incomplete. they dont actually tell you everything you need to do. take for instance this the guide for unbricking
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1828639
it is totally useless because what he fails to mention is that
to boot into stock recovery you need to hold down the volume button when you power on the phone and you will get a droid with an exclamation mark and then you need to hold down both the volume up and down buttons which after a few seconds will take you to stock recovery. then you can wipe cache etc and the phone will boot. i found this out here (notice how people are telling the guy to simply flash a new sbf!)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1608812
the mad thing is if i had found that simple post just above and knew about the up and down volume buttons i would have fixed the defy on the very first try. that is what is so annoying about this situation.

ok
red lense defy.
long story short i flashed one of the bl7 defy plus gingerbread sbfs.
so i have gone through the root procedure by installing the rooted sbf in rsd lite and then i can install 2nd init 2.0.3 and can get a custom recovery installed.
but every time i try to install cm7.2 euro skank it reverts back to the bootloader. here is what i have done twice in recovery with the exact same result.
wipe cache, data, dalvik and battery stats/ flash cm7 froyo kernal/ then flash the rom/ then flash gapps and then wipe again and then reboot.
when the phone starts again i am once again back to the bootloader and i have to start all over again.
so a very simple question from the position i am in what exactly do i need to do to get cm7 running on the phone.

double post but there are worse crimes!
ok so i have realised that i am stuck on the gingerbread kernal and that any froyo based rom is not gonna work.
wow how did i end up here! bloody hell that is what happens when you start getting ****ed off with the phone not doing what you think it should. anyways it is done now and i have cm7 all up and running and have even been able to make a back up so that if anything happens in the future when i am experimenting then i have a decent base from which to start. everything is working including the camera data wifi calls and well everything except...
i have one all rather serious problem that i really need to get sorted (this is it if i can fix this then i can leave the phone alone).
my battery is not recognized. now the phone runs on the battery which is a big step up from before where i was literally having to leave it plugged in just to keep it on. but the battery icon at the top is displaying a question markn and i dont know if it is charging or not. i also have no idea how much battery is left.
i have flashed both the defy red lense ics battery zip and the defy plus battery fix and i wiped cache dalvik and battery stats before i flashed them and the cache after but neither of these worked.
anyone actually care to help out here. what do i need to do to get my battery recognized? seriously if you know then please share because i have wasted a day and a half on this and through sheer frustration dug myself into a huge hole and it took ages to climb out.
all i am asking for is a bit of guidance from someone who actually knows what they are talking about. if that sounds like you do me a favour and simply tell me what i should do because i am now totally and utterly stumped.
cheers.

rockmonkey1973 said:
yes mate i did the last sbf i flashed over a year ago was nordic and i got the error as listed above. have no idea what i am doing wrong but i must be doing something. trouble is the new battery has arrived and i have already tried a new sbf and still getting the same problem... manually need to reboot the phone.
bit worrying because obviously i will only have a certain number of tries before this new battery dies on me.
edit: absolutely annoying. part of the problem with the guides on here are that they are mostly incomplete. they dont actually tell you everything you need to do. take for instance this the guide for unbricking
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1828639
it is totally useless because what he fails to mention is that
to boot into stock recovery you need to hold down the volume button when you power on the phone and you will get a droid with an exclamation mark and then you need to hold down both the volume up and down buttons which after a few seconds will take you to stock recovery. then you can wipe cache etc and the phone will boot. i found this out here (notice how people are telling the guy to simply flash a new sbf!)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1608812
the mad thing is if i had found that simple post just above and knew about the up and down volume buttons i would have fixed the defy on the very first try. that is what is so annoying about this situation.
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rockmonkey1973 said:
double post but there are worse crimes!
ok so i have realised that i am stuck on the gingerbread kernal and that any froyo based rom is not gonna work.
wow how did i end up here! bloody hell that is what happens when you start getting ****ed off with the phone not doing what you think it should. anyways it is done now and i have cm7 all up and running and have even been able to make a back up so that if anything happens in the future when i am experimenting then i have a decent base from which to start. everything is working including the camera data wifi calls and well everything except...
i have one all rather serious problem that i really need to get sorted (this is it if i can fix this then i can leave the phone alone).
my battery is not recognized. now the phone runs on the battery which is a big step up from before where i was literally having to leave it plugged in just to keep it on. but the battery icon at the top is displaying a question markn and i dont know if it is charging or not. i also have no idea how much battery is left.
i have flashed both the defy red lense ics battery zip and the defy plus battery fix and i wiped cache dalvik and battery stats before i flashed them and the cache after but neither of these worked.
anyone actually care to help out here. what do i need to do to get my battery recognized? seriously if you know then please share because i have wasted a day and a half on this and through sheer frustration dug myself into a huge hole and it took ages to climb out.
all i am asking for is a bit of guidance from someone who actually knows what they are talking about. if that sounds like you do me a favour and simply tell me what i should do because i am now totally and utterly stumped.
cheers.
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First of all Stop whining about the guides being incomplete. They have helped a lot of people before you and are still helping.. If you mean every post should mention trivial stuff like booting into recovery and wiping data then just imagine the redundancy of the stuff.
If only you were patient enough to read before reacting. Defy Beginner's guide clearly mention 'bout booting into recovery & bootloader so its your folly for not collecting the info before processing..
anyone actually care to help out here. what do i need to do to get my battery recognized? seriously if you know then please share because i have wasted a day and a half on this and through sheer frustration dug myself into a huge hole and it took ages to climb out.
all i am asking for is a bit of guidance from someone who actually knows what they are talking about. if that sounds like you do me a favour and simply tell me what i should do because i am now totally and utterly stumped.
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Don't know what you've wasted your day on, but all I can suggest is flash the battery fix for Defy+. Search for it. not difficult to find.

neo.ank said:
First of all Stop whining about the guides being incomplete. They have helped a lot of people before you and are still helping.. If you mean every post should mention trivial stuff like booting into recovery and wiping data then just imagine the redundancy of the stuff.
If only you were patient enough to read before reacting. Defy Beginner's guide clearly mention 'bout booting into recovery & bootloader so its your folly for not collecting the info before processing..
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whining! i didnt think i was whining although i can get annoyed and sometimes my frustration is vented without thinking. i accept that the phone being where it is is indeed my fault. in fact if i had just left it alone then it would have been running as well as it ever did. i am also a great advocate of the developers who spend there time providing us roms and tools for us to use and i can say hand on heart i appreciate the fine work they do often for free. i am also an avid reader of the guides being a simple bod with very little knowledge of flashing hacking and what not and they have saved my bacon more times than i care to remember over the last four or five years. and so you are spot on the guides help a lot... not just me but many before me and most likely many after and give us mere mortals the chance to stay current with firmware long after the manufacturer has abandoned the phone. so while i may have been complaining rather angrily i was not whining.
the fact is that guide is incomplete. not only is it incomplete but it is the one that is linked to on the wiki as the guide to follow on how to unbrick your phone.
if you are like me a tinkerer who every once in a while likes to try out a new rom and who doesnt know the every inner workings of the procedures and who needs to follow instructions then i think the least you can expect is for the definitive guide to be correct! i mean that isnt too much to ask for is it.
so yes i do expect them to list every basic important step one must follow to fix the phone because that is what instructions do they guide people who dont know what they are doing. that is there sole purpose and if they dont do that job then they should either be edited so they do or deleted.
and yes yesterday i was very annoyed at the fact that the guide i was following does not actually tell you exactly what one should do and i can promise you if it had of done then i would not be in the position i am in it is as simple as that. i mean you cant seriously expect people to think oh right these are the instructions for unbricking the phone but i bet you they aint right so i had better read some more instructions for the same thing... and hey they might not be complete as well so i had better read yet another set just in case. leave it out will you.
at the end of the day it doesnt matter and at the risk of repeating myself i know that if i had left well alone the phone would be fine so ultimately i have no one else to blame but myself. if i had been a little more patient and less stressed wondering why the phone wouldnt boot after what appeared to be a successful flash then i would have got there in the end without being stuck on a gingerbread kernal.
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Don't know what you've wasted your day on, but all I can suggest is flash the battery fix for Defy+. Search for it. not difficult to find.
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well if you had read through this thread then you may have seen i have wasted a day and a half on quite a lot of reading as it goes. you may have also seen that i have flashed 2 battery fixes and that they havent helped. so i am wondering if you know what else i could do to fix the problem? if you do and you dont mind telling me then i would be grateful. if you dont then no big deal... i will read through a few more threads and see if i cant get to the bottom of it.
EDIT: I have reread what i wrote and i take that back the guide is far from useless in fact it is excellent and i mean that. in every other way it is spot on and is the de facto guide to sorting yourself out of a hole. but it does miss out some vital information that (i think at least) really should be there. still water under the bridge and all that. we are were we are and one must move on. bottom line it is only a phone and if it comes to it i will buy another. the only reason i havent actually bought another so far is the buld quality and form factor of the defy is still yet to be bettered. but maybe it is a sign a message from above telling me to move on to pastures new.... although i would still like to fix the battery issue.

ok it is fixed. as i was writing this reply i installed the white rabbit rom (which i read included red lense battery fixes). true to its word there are five downloadable files. i got four (one woudnt download) and rebooted the system and hey presto.
well what a difference a day and a decent nights kip make. and colour me impressed. this rom is a work of genius. i see it is based on euro kangs cm7 effort with a few nice (well actually loads) extras thrown in for good measure. have to say i am really liking it. calls data wifi camera and battery all work and it looks and feels swift and very polished.
so all is well that ends well. and what a journey. man all i wanted to do was restore cm7 from my back ups. flashing the gingerbread based cm10 before i did it i reckon screwed me and i didnt realise what i had done until after when it wouldnt boot. however xda saved the day as it always does (even if it did take me quite a lot time to get there this time round). i may even write a mini guide but then either no one would bother reading it or i would get loads of people whining at me telling me how it aint right so i think i will avoid that little task and leave it to people more brave and knowledgeable than i.
cheers all for the help in this thread, the time taken by others to write stuff down and the people who provide us with some great software for our ageing but still great phone.

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if you need help mate then a little bit more info is gonna be required.
i will say this that i havent quite fixed it completely. i have the rom running sweet as a pie and the phone will work away from a power source but the battery percent/ icon remains locked at 100 per cent so i have no way of knowing if the phone is charging. when i plug it in to my laptop it says usb connected but again it doesnt list it as charging. so i have no way of knowing if the battery is actually getting charged or how much is really left.
i am also far from an expert more a bumbling old timer who rarely posts here unless desperate.
bear all that in mind and i will do all i can to help (provided you specifically say what you want help with)
edit: lmao... i couldnt have picked a worse sbf to flash. amazing. i have been so so careful in all the time i have owned this phone (over a year i reckon now) and i may have finally actually broken it.
i aint even certain i can charge the battery and once it runs down it will simply die. obviously there is hope that someone will come up with a downgrade method at some point in the future but for the time being i think the phone is ****ed.
i will try ics tomorrow and see if i can get any joy there but i think the only way i can now use the phone is to buy an external battery charger. funny really i used to own both a spare battery and a charger for this very reason and yet i sold them when i got rid of the old defy. so i am gonna have to buy one off ebay tomorrow and use it that way. at least then i will be able to use the phone.

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if you need help mate then a little bit more info is gonna be required.
i will say this that i havent quite fixed it completely. i have the rom running sweet as a pie and the phone will work away from a power source but the battery percent/ icon remains locked at 100 per cent so i have no way of knowing if the phone is charging. when i plug it in to my laptop it says usb connected but again it doesnt list it as charging. so i have no way of knowing if the battery is actually getting charged or how much is really left.
i am also far from an expert more a bumbling old timer who rarely posts here unless desperate.
bear all that in mind and i will do all i can to help (provided you specifically say what you want help with)
edit: lmao... i couldnt have picked a worse sbf to flash. amazing. i have been so so careful in all the time i have owned this phone (over a year i reckon now) and i may have finally actually broken it.
i aint even certain i can charge the battery and once it runs down it will simply die. obviously there is hope that someone will come up with a downgrade method at some point in the future but for the time being i think the phone is ****ed.
i will try ics tomorrow and see if i can get any joy there but i think the only way i can now use the phone is to buy an external battery charger. funny really i used to own both a spare battery and a charger for this very reason and yet i sold them when i got rid of the old defy. so i am gonna have to buy one off ebay tomorrow and use it that way. at least then i will be able to use the phone.
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You're on BL7 now and there's a reason people advise to avoid it. Most of the fixes and scripts doesn't work with BL7 including the battery fixes.
I'd suggest you to go for Quarx's build for GB kernel (along with the battery fix), Randomly flashing ROMs and fixes won't help.
Moreover, I strongly recommend you to search and read carefully. You're not the first one to face the problem, and there's a solution. Even if you waste(?) a couple of days reading 'bout it, it won't kill your phone, but if you do something out of desperation it might.

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Moreover, I strongly recommend you to search and read carefully. You're not the first one to face the problem, and there's a solution. Even if you waste(?) a couple of days reading 'bout it, it won't kill your phone, but if you do something out of desperation it might.
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i take it you mean this like in retrospect? of course you are right a deep breath and a walk does wonders for a fuddled head and is far better than simply rushing into the next desperate attempt to repair. however it is easy to say this after the event yes!
the battery wont charge and if i flash another rom it gives me the big battery icon with question mark so i am once again stuck in a corner with no where to go. basically it is ****ed because none of the battery fixes work. the battery works when there is power in it but it just wont charge when in the phone. because the battery ran down last night the only way i can use my phone at the moment is tethered to the mcgyver trick.
so the plan is to buy a separate charger and use that to charge the battery. then i reckon i should be at least able use the phone (although this yet to be tested).
amazing seriously amazing. a year of owning this phone a year of flashing and hacking and being ultra conservative and then all it takes is a few minutes of madness and it is royally screwed. the crying shame about it is that i have installed the best rom i have ever seen in the white rabbit and if the external charger doesnt work i wont get to play with it! still live and learn.
edit: by the way do you know if the mcgyver trick actually charges the battery?
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rockmonkey1973 said:
i take it you mean this like in retrospect? of course you are right a deep breath and a walk does wonders for a fuddled head and is far better than simply rushing into the next desperate attempt to repair. however it is easy to say this after the event yes!
the battery wont charge and if i flash another rom it gives me the big battery icon with question mark so i am once again stuck in a corner with no where to go. basically it is ****ed because none of the battery fixes work. the battery works when there is power in it but it just wont charge when in the phone. because the battery ran down last night the only way i can use my phone at the moment is tethered to the mcgyver trick.
so the plan is to buy a separate charger and use that to charge the battery. then i reckon i should be at least able use the phone (although this yet to be tested).
amazing seriously amazing. a year of owning this phone a year of flashing and hacking and being ultra conservative and then all it takes is a few minutes of madness and it is royally screwed. the crying shame about it is that i have installed the best rom i have ever seen in the white rabbit and if the external charger doesnt work i wont get to play with it! still live and learn.
edit: by the way do you know if the mcgyver trick actually charges the battery?
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The battery fixes replace your battd.bin binary file which stores the info about the battery. Surprisingly there isn't a single binary that work with each phone, it acts weirdly and not sure what fix will work for a particular phone.. I again suggest you, every battery fix you find. You're not the first one to face the problem and its been sorted for many..
Mcgyver just supply the device with intended charge as the battery does. It doesn't charge the battery.
Don't know if you tried this one.
Defy Red Lens Battery Fix

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The battery fixes replace your battd.bin binary file which stores the info about the battery. Surprisingly there isn't a single binary that work with each phone, it acts weirdly and not sure what fix will work for a particular phone.. I again suggest you, every battery fix you find. You're not the first one to face the problem and its been sorted for many..
Mcgyver just supply the device with intended charge as the battery does. It doesn't charge the battery.
Don't know if you tried this one.
Defy Red Lens Battery Fix
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i have tried it mate. i have also tired the ics defy red lense and the white rabbit rom had four of them available to download. none of them have worked. basically as it is now the phone will not stay on without the mcgyver leads and the battery wont charge. i have flashed 6 different battery fixes.
edit: it is strange once i have given it a blast on mcgyver for an hour or so i can then use the phone normally. however the battery is locked at 100 per cent and there is no indication it is charging when a usb lead is plugged in. seriously i have tried 6 of the fixes and none have actually worked.
if you are saying there is a fix for this then i would love to know what it is because i havent found one yet.
edit again!!!: ok this is strange because now when i plug it in to a usb lead the green light appears as if it was charging. very very strange this. i mean like really ****ing weird.
final edit: ok i am officially giving up. it has beaten me and for the first time ever i have got myself into a situation that i cant get out of. who would have thought a simple battery would be the cause of so much ****ing grief. anyway. for total clarity.
i am now running white rabbit rom runs great highly recommended and way quicker than the cm10 efforts that are being worked on at the moment. i have tried 6 battery fixes. none work. i am sometimes able to use the phone without being connected to the mcgyver leads but the battery remains locked at 100 per cent. other times the phone dies and the only way to boot it again is the mcgyver leads. if i do that then battery may change to say 25 per cent or even 75 per cent. basically it is all over the shot. i have tried to install another rom and this leads to the exact same thing. if i turn it on without the mcgyver leads i get the battery error. sometimes when connected to the usb port the phone has the led green light like it is charging then other times it doesnt. it is basically well and truly ****ed up.
so i am giving up. i have wasted quite enough time on a phone i have been thinking of changing as it is. i am gonna buy a sensation as a short term replacement. not as nice as the defy form wise but far faster and with a decent modding community so it will do for now. i will return here every now and then to see if someone comes up with a way to downgrade the bl7 but until that happens the phone is gonna gather dust in my drawer.
i think this thread serves as decent guide as to what shouldnt be done if you want to unbrick your phone (and also includes a few little things that may be missing elsewhere) so hopefully someone can learn from it. cheers all and see you later.

ok well this is the end of this thread (unless i find a proper working solution).
i was unable to charge the phone unless i used the mcyver trick. basically the only way it would accept a charge was if the mcgyver leads were connected. however the battery would charge once the mcgyver leads were in place but stays locked at 100 per cent no matter what i do. it may be the rom i am using but every time i tried another i got the battery error.
i have now bought an external battery charger and spare battery. it works a treat. i simply use the charger to charge one battery and use the other battery to power the phone. when the battery dies i simply switch them around and use the phone as normal.
this way i am no longer having to boot the phone using mcgyver and the only thing i am missing is the ability to charge the battery internally or tell how much battery life is actually left.
so all told all is well that sort of ends well. at least i can carry on using the defy. i was looking at buying another phone but they are all either too big or too slippy/ fragile in the hand. the only one i would like to buy is the orange san diego but there is no root and even worse there is no sim unlock. so for the time being i will stick with the nearly indestructible defy and hope that moto see sense and release a four inch, 8mp onboard camera and better screen carbon copy. fingers crossed.

Good GB rom/battery not lasting????

(Mods not sure if this should be in Q&A or in general but the title is in form of a question so i thought here. Move it if you like...)
Theres a sticky for a reason but many for some reason dont like to use it also there is a search bar but it seems invisible to some...
Two question that keep coming up alot are a GOOD GB rom and battery life i know im just adding to it but just had to :
If your looking for a Good custom GB EL29 rom that has good Gps, battery life etc..
the two that everyone recommend are
Calks EL 29 GB rom which has many features which include hacked 3g, 4g hotspot hacked.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1332837
The other one is
Phantoms Blazer 4.1 GB Rom
(currently looking for active download location will post as soon as i find it . if anyone has it or knows a good download link please post it.)
battery life issues?
My battery life is starting to last less and less?
My phone says 90% battery life and then suddenly it shuts down without showing the animation?
My phone says battery life 80% and then shuts off and after i restart it , it will say 20%
Many of these problems are cause by a bad battery. many of us have had this phone for a lil bit over a year and the battery starts to go out.
especially with all the flashing we do..
Solution?: take your battery out of the phone and place it on top of a desk or counter and see if it lies flat. If it doesnt and it looks kind of bulgy its because its done. You need a new battery .

FYI: First... anything... I've heard from Sprint on this:
http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/509234#509234
HalcyonCmdr123 (Sprint Care) said:
Initial findings from the Reverse Logistics team (i.e. where stores send things back to when issues arise) are inconclusive. Samsung and Sprint are currently investigating batteries and devices that stores have sent back for the cause of the issues. I don't have any sort of ETA.
Many of the phones with swollen batteris that I have personally seen also have had other signs of abuse however, this includes things like humidity and heat/cold exposure, drops, cracks, etc. that could cause issues and result in potentially variable voltage from the battery or through the circuitry on the phone.
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garwynn said:
FYI: First... anything... I've heard from Sprint on this:
http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/509234#509234
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I didnt state that that is the only reason for a bad battery. It is one of the main reasons though. Thats the problem im having right now i already ordered a new battery. I flash a new rom on a constant basis even if the one im currently using is a DD. Ive walked in to many sprint corporate repair centers and when you tell them the issue you are having the first thing they do is pull out the battery. Samsung has 18month warranty on the battery but sprint wont replace it. They want you to contact samsung directly.
Ma$etas said:
Many of these problems are cause by a bad battery. many of us have had this phone for a lil bit over a year and the battery starts to go out.
especially with all the flashing we do..
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P.S.
I don't think you can tell us anything about the highly rumored 2-step OTA that's going to get us to JB, huh?
Word is an announcement is expected this week and something to be pushed as early as Monday.
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Keep us updated on the response ..

Ma$etas said:
I didnt state that that is the only reason for a bad battery. It is one of the main reasons though. Thats the problem im having right now i already ordered a new battery. I flash a new rom on a constant basis even if the one im currently using is a DD. Ive walked in to many sprint corporate repair centers and when you tell them the issue you are having the first thing they do is pull out the battery. Samsung has 18month warranty on the battery but sprint wont replace it. They want you to contact samsung directly.
Keep us updated on the response ..
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Sorry if you thought my post on Sprint was bringing up you specifically... it was actually a more generic observation based on the many threads that have popped up over the past few months. Instead of making a new thread just for that response I figured yours may be the best to drop that info on. No need to clog up the forums more

garwynn said:
Sorry if you thought my post on Sprint was bringing up you specifically... it was actually a more generic observation based on the many threads that have popped up over the past few months. Instead of making a new thread just for that response I figured yours may be the best to drop that info on. No need to clog up the forums more
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OK got it . we :good: