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This is a question for all, but primarily for the devs who have been working with the various Android 2.1 builds.
I have been silently playing with many of the Android 2.1 flavours offered by the various developers posting here at XDA, and have been suitably impressed with all they have managed to accomplish, especially in the absence of the kernel source.
That said, most of the 2.1 ROMS are lacking in some manner (GPS tweaks required, battery life, bluetooth on calls, etc.) and all are slower than the optimized Cupcake ROMS (e.g. the MoDaCo ROMS).
I understand that the performance of the 2.1 ROMS is hampered in large part to the lack of the kernel source but the consistent speed discrepancy between Eclair and Cupcake leads me to the question at hand:
Even if the kernel source were available, does the Hero actually have the horsepower to run Eclair and offer performance similar to Cupcake? Would those of us who want similar performance be best advised to look at devices with a little more under the hood (Nexus One, Desire, etc)?
Devs, what do you think?
The fact of the matter is a 2.1 rom (official) is in development it has been announced and the fact there has been leaks in the CDMA hero shows that it does really exist.
If its being built for the hero then it will work.
Kernel sources will help solve a number of issues we are currently facing in the "custom" roms.
Every phone can do things differently for example 2.1 has live wallpaper support but we will never see this in any official rom as it will not work perfectly on the hero.
With every new leak we are getting closer and closer to what an "official" gsm hero rom will be like, but it will never be the same as for example a desire 2.1 rom.
I'm no dev but if the kernel source for 2.1 was released devs would be able to overclock the Hero so 2.1 ROMs would run much smoother. Also if you look at the Hero compared to its successor (the Legend) the most significant difference is the processor 528 MHz on the Hero and 600 MHz on the Legend. So I personally don't see why the Hero shouldn't get a 2.1+ ROM.
Without any doubt, YES, it does have enough power to run Android 2.1.
From what I have experienced, Eclair 2.1 WITHOUT HTC Sense works as fast as the original 1.5. If it runs like that now, I believe it will go better with an optimized kernel - when the sources will be available. As for the overclock (I would like to add that for me OC is a very important hobby), I don't see the reason why you would like to OC a mobile phone. Overclocking would make battery life go even faster than before, and to charge the Hero everyday... I don't think many of us want something like that.
What I think is the best way to improve a mobile phone performance, considering it runs Android, is to improve the software, not the hardware. After all, it's Linux.
Eclair runs on G1 better than Hero !!
even though Hero is more powerful !!
it's a Kernel and drivers issue
anyway, the update delay probably because of 2.2 (Froyo). it'll be released in May after all..
HTC didn't say that but it'll be dump (even retarded) to give us 2.1 after 2.2 is released !!
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Without any doubt, YES, it does have enough power to run Android 2.1.
From what I have experienced, Eclair 2.1 WITHOUT HTC Sense works as fast as the original 1.5. If it runs like that now, I believe it will go better with an optimized kernel - when the sources will be available. As for the overclock (I would like to add that for me OC is a very important hobby), I don't see the reason why you would like to OC a mobile phone. Overclocking would make battery life go even faster than before, and to charge the Hero everyday... I don't think many of us want something like that.
What I think is the best way to improve a mobile phone performance, considering it runs Android, is to improve the software, not the hardware. After all, it's Linux.
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I already have to charge my phone everyday becaue I am always playing witht it or text or on the internet... and right now im running Kimera 1.6 Overclocked and it feels as if I get the same if not similar battery life.
The Hero shouldn't be doubted when it comes to being able to run 2.1, as previously mentioned its the other things like live wallpapers that were not developed for this type of CPU.
Whats the crack with the dream running it? did HTC release the sources for the kernel? or just plain ole group hacking?
Without any doubt, YES, it does have enough power to run Android 2.1.
From what I have experienced, Eclair 2.1 WITHOUT HTC Sense works as fast as the
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I already have to charge my phone everyday becaue I am always playing witht it or text or on the internet... and right now im running Kimera 1.6 Overclocked and it feels as if I get the same if not similar battery life.
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Same here. The Kimera 1.6 overclocked ROM is amazing. I've been using it for a few days now, and I have to agree the battery life is almost identical to stock 1.5 in my opinion.
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Does TP2 meet ANDROID 2.2's hardware requirements?
Nope. most devices that would get a froyo update have snapdragons under the hood something our rhodiums dont have
ive read in several places and posts frm owners that the FROYO is overhyped. or not really all that much different frm the previous releases. i know its supposedly alot faster with the JIT Compiling. i guess thats the main difference and the fact that the new flash player10 wrks great with it. people sleeping on Rhodium. its always like that with new devices. they get upgraded processors. there are ways around that, which i hope someone figures out soon ;-) just like with cars, we can tweak it to at least get closer to Snapdragon speeds.
overclocking the processer or tweaking froyo
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well i meant overclocking the processor to where its faster and still stable. tweaking could probaly also be done on the software(FROYO) side of things. if older phones with even less processing power can port Android, then we can get the Froyo. i know its not that simple but it can be done. just depends on how much wrk someone is willing to put in on it. like for instance, i edited my startup txt to overclock my processor in the android build. im at 633MHz. stock max processor speed in windows mobile is like 528MHz. so with that overclock alone, increased the horsepower..lol, by more thn a hundred. now my live wallpapers fly across the screen instead of stuttering. i have virtually no lag now. plus i could even go up somemore on the overclocking. . it does have a drawbck. if i put the phone to sleep, it wont wake up..lmfao . who cares, just dont put the phone to sleep then. Android on Rhodium is more of a research and testing things out, at least for me. im luvin it so far, so i cant complain about what its missing at the moment. Im grateful for what wrks at the moment. this is the best cab by far that ive ever downloaded, and its free. u cant beat that. basically a free Android OS.
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bull****.
there is no such "requirement" for froyo.
furthermore, TP2 never had an official android release to have an official denial that it will ever be ported.
i'm sure devs are already looking at porting froyo to TP2 and other phones.
Best/easiest case solution is to backport some of the parts of compatible Froyo into the TP2 AOSP Eclair build. This has been a common practice in custom roms. There's already G1 roms with Froyo partially working. There's no reason not to have at least some Froyo features baked into TP2 Eclair.
At this point, whats the use of moving on to Froyo on the TP2? We'll migrate just to restart back to a point where nothing works? Backport some parts of Froyo onto Eclair and beef up Eclair to a point where the major issues are resolved.
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Also, there needs to be more people that have a better working knowledge of Android/linux than just the devs. Fixes, hacks, mods all come from a community effort. Not enough information is shared on this forum, and it comes at the cost of progression for our devices.
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There's no reason not to have at least some Froyo features baked into TP2 Eclair.
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so do it. talking is easy, actually doing takes skills.
In theory 2.2 should run better on the rhodium than 2.1 ever has now that it has a huge upgrade to the Dalvik vm JIT, meaning this makes much better use of the processor, this is proven in the current builds on the nexus one. I agree that we would essentially be starting over as far as useability but the developers have already done the ground work so a full upgrade to 2.2 will not take as long as the first porting of android. So if you all just want to sit back and be happy with what you have than go ahead, but in my opinion 2.2 would be a very valuable upgrade as i'm sure that 2.3 and beyond will be.
No, It can be done on every Android Phone, so also the TP2 would be able (if you look at the specs) to run Android 2.2.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...t-even-the-g1-google-io-blitz-coverage-day-1/
And it will make the devices faster So I think there is a possability. I hope the android devs for TP2 will give it a try
Yes it can, but it will take a lot of work
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Nope. most devices that would get a froyo update have snapdragons under the hood something our rhodiums dont have
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HTC will release official froyo rom for HERO and later devices, TP2 has same hardware installed as HERO
but the key problem is drivers, HERO's screen solution is lower than TP2, so HERO have different GPU driver to TP2
i hope hackers will give us some good idea..hah
I'm ready.. been duel booting android and I have to say I like it.. Didn't think I would but I do. It's faster and easy to use
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I'm ready.. been duel booting android and I have to say I like it.. Didn't think I would but I do. It's faster and easy to use
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how did you do that?
i tried flash dual boot rom which found in TP2 CDMA, but it is always mess up during first time loading
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so do it. talking is easy, actually doing takes skills.
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It is actually easy, I've done it and pretty much anyone can do it with simple common sense on any native Android phone. Making your very personal use ROM with backported parts is really common. It doesn't actually take that much skill because all you're doing is replacing (sometimes) compatible parts and modifying the init.rc and flashing in recovery for the most part.
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how did you do that?
i tried flash dual boot rom which found in TP2 CDMA, but it is always mess up during first time loading
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Are you using the .cab or .rar, I never got the .cab to work, the .rar works perfectly everytime and I do quite of bit of "flashing".
I am willing to stick with 2.1 for the long haul until everything is working.
seeing as 2.2 is supposed to have some drastic changes i think 2.1 is going to be the final for most things, 2.2 codebase while being similar has been drastically enhanced (in some areas)...
I myself cannot wait till the TP2 gets Android 2.2+ (and the COMPLETE ability to boot into android without having to load ANY WM aspects)
I'm getting reports that it's lagging on the Evos, but I assume they run stock. Has anyone gotten a chance to play this game on ur overclocked Evos? I don't wanna drop $$$ if it'll be choppy as hell.
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I'm getting reports that it's lagging on the Evos, but I assume they run stock. Has anyone gotten a chance to play this game on ur overclocked Evos? I don't wanna drop $$$ if it'll be choppy as hell.
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They didn't really optimize it imo. I bought it on my bros evo. The framerate sucks. Mainly because of the gpu. And lack of optimization. Looked like they focused more on sgx gpus. Although the g2 and mt4g can run it. Mainly because of the newer gpu.
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That really blows... was looking forward to this game but with the 15 minute refund crap I'm not even going to try it.
I've been playing it on CM, and it runs fine for me so far. It's show loading levels, but seems to play just fine.
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You can change the graphical settings thru the slider. I moved it to the middle and now it's really smooth. I set my CPU to 1113mhz, but i'm gonna try stock speeds for comparison.
It's not too bad. Tolerable, but not great. What I can see from my general observation, the environment (levels, 3D objects) are fast. UI slows it down. Shows when you try to do something, background 3D stuff is fast, but UI framerate is bad. Once you are done managing your character, and start playing, you should be ok.
Also, 3 bucks is not that much money. I dropped it anyway, thinking that even if it's bad on Evo, it may give developers incentive to work on updates.
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That really blows... was looking forward to this game but with the 15 minute refund crap I'm not even going to try it.
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The developer posted this on Engadget
We agree, it's possible to request a refund via google checkout and we've been refunding everyone that's asked through the proper channels!
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For $3, I don't think I would refund. I would expect a lil more optimizations. Id definitely save this game when I get a new phone tho.
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Tried it out on my EVO and its seemed to run fine. I am overclocked to 1152 so I'm sure that helps. Its was a little slow accessing some of the menus but overall the game seemed to play fine..
zone23 said:
Tried it out on my EVO and its seemed to run fine. I am overclocked to 1152 so I'm sure that helps. Its was a little slow accessing some of the menus but overall the game seemed to play fine..
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You can't overclock the GPU so overclocking the CPU helped very little or not at all. Just a FYI.
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I have a stock evo. It runs terribly. Especially when you get a few turrets up around you. Definitely not worth the DL at this time, although i do belive it is an awesome game. Way too laggy to enjoy. Either wait for PC version (which should be nothing short of amazing) or wait til they make improvments on android (hopefully).
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I have a stock evo. It runs terribly. Especially when you get a few turrets up around you. Definitely not worth the DL at this time, although i do belive it is an awesome game. Way too laggy to enjoy. Either wait for PC version (which should be nothing short of amazing) or wait til they make improvments on android (hopefully).
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They better make improvements for Android... runs flawlessly on iOS.
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They better make improvements for Android... runs flawlessly on iOS.
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you have to remember that when developing for iOS they know exactly what hardware everyone is running it on. The problem with developing for Android is that there are sooooo many different phones with different hardware out there. That's the one thing that iphones have going for them: no individuality, everyone has the same thing...
The devs at Trendy Ent. forums said they plan to optimize HTC based phones in future patches. It includes Desire, EVO, Incredible..etc. They aren't sure how much better it'll be, but they're working on it. Also, if anyone here knows any tweaks for the Evo plz share.
Just bought it on Market yesterday, and runs really crappy on my EVO lol. I hope that they will optimize it soon (considering it's suposed to run on unreal tech and how versatile that is on pc no mather what gpu u have).
Also needs lots of ram and i'm having a hard time getting those 256free mb for it xD
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They better make improvements for Android... runs flawlessly on iOS.
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They said that's because iOS uses less RAM than the Android OS.
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The devs at Trendy Ent. forums said they plan to optimize HTC based phones in future patches. It includes Desire, EVO, Incredible..etc. They aren't sure how much better it'll be, but they're working on it. Also, if anyone here knows any tweaks for the Evo plz share.
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That's the exact opposite of what they told me on Twitter, but one can hope, right?
(They said don't expect it to ever run right on the EVO, as it is not an officially supported platform.)
Actually, Gingerbread WILL bring improvements to this game and others.
There was a website (Frandroid?) that did 3d benchmarks of the Evo Froyo and Gingerbread. All the tests had a 2-16fps increase... which can make or break a game.
So let's hope it all works out.
Also, the NDK (Native Development Kit) is going to be updated. Games like Exzeus Arcade, which is VERY graphically intensive, were made by the NDK and run SMOOTHLY on the Evo/N1/Incredible/Desire.
All of this should be signs that us Evo users are going to get some support.
And supposedly HTC is updating N1 gpu drivers... which are the same for the Evo technically cause they have the same processor/GPU (Snapdragon/Adreno 200).
Anyway, we'll see. I'm about to run this on Myn's. I'll report back in a minute.
thanks for sharing the info! now it's gotten me super excited for CM7
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That's the exact opposite of what they told me on Twitter, but one can hope, right?
(They said don't expect it to ever run right on the EVO, as it is not an officially supported platform.)
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This is what the dev said on the forum: Quote Originally Posted by kimzplaze View Post
Thanks! Will it be more optimised for HTC Desire? =)
Yes all of the HTC phones, including the Desire, could benefit from optimization, and it's something that we'll be trying to do in the upcoming major content patches in January and beyond. Don't yet know how much performance we gain yet gain from them, but we'll get some degree of benefits.
-Jeremy
That came from a 65 page thread of disappointed HTC users (not so much galaxy s). Hope the dev keeps his word.
To all 2.2 android rom users: I'd like to know which are the main differences between these two releases (considering an upgrade).
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http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights.html
Note that certain individual features may not be supported at maker's discretion.
Thanks for the link, already saw it, but I'd like to ear direct feedback from users .
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I don't know but differences between official update with motoblur is that:
Windows vista 64 bit is android 2.1
Windows 7 64 bit is android 2.2
Hope you understand this !
Real differences I have found is speed, market downloads you can update all, flash full version for browsing, thats about it really.
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I don't know but differences between official update with motoblur is that:
Windows vista 64 bit is android 2.1
Windows 7 64 bit is android 2.2
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Even if I use debian I understand what you mean, so is it really that better!?
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I had to upgrade by accident.
It's been 48 hours...
Definitely a better experience than Eclair.
You get Profiles (Like HTC Scenes) now, Flash, A2SD, Snappier performance, and probably a whole lot of other things I haven't had time to notice yet...
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Even if I use debian I understand what you mean, so is it really that better!?
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adding to what was previously said:
New Gmail app
Push to phone API (chrome to phone, install from web market, etc)
Different memory/task managment
... + some little improvment overall the system.
better, yes, but worths the trouble to get it on your defy? only you can answer that.
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Even if I use debian I understand what you mean, so is it really that better!?
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Totally mate, it is hell fast and 2.3 is even faster plus you get other things with 2.2 such as full flash support, better performace and speed of course. You can feel it wen playing games and when the benchmark scores double the benchmakrs when running 2.1
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better, yes, but worths the trouble to get it on your defy? only you can answer that.
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That's the point. Probably I'll wait for Motorola official update, since I use this phone for work and I don't want to mess it up. Anyway glad to know newer versions are faster .
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Just to add my thoughts...
The biggest difference I have seen between 2.1 and 2.2 is a reduction in battery life.
On 2.1, both the original 2.21 that my handset came with and the 2.34 Blur-lite ROM I flashed, I could easily get 2 days of what I consider 'normal' usage between charges, 3 days if I really didn't use it much.
With 2.2, I've only seen a day or so of 'normal' use before needing to charge and that's having used Higgsy's modified build on top of the Chinese Froyo sbf and the new Orange Blur-lite ROM too.
Beyond that, the only noticeable difference IMO is the addition of flash in the browser.
So step666 you noticed:
- less battery life
- overall performances not increased
- added flash support
That's not what I'm looking for.
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That's the point. Probably I'll wait for Motorola official update, since I use this phone for work and I don't want to mess it up. Anyway glad to know newer versions are faster .
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I didn't notice that the battery is running out faster on 2.2, I think it can last 2-day based on the remaining capacity at night (I charge every night) on normal usage.
But if you're using this for work I seriously discourage you to mess it up. Although if you flash those .sbf I suppose it's pretty simple but still... You understand.
There are some apps that doesn't support pre-2.2, BTW.
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So step666 you noticed:
- less battery life
- overall performances not increased
- added flash support
That's not what I'm looking for.
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What exactly are you looking for then?
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What exactly are you looking for then?
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Guys, stop flashing custom roms and confusing other people, custom rom does have 2.2 but it's custom and it prolly overclocks the cpu at high voltage which can be a reason for you to have battery drainage.
We yet can't say anything about 2.2 update because we haven't recieved it officially just yet. What i said in my previous posts is by looking at other phones such as Samsung Galaxy S (quite similar to defy cpu wise) and then when i looked at benchmakrs (performace) of it running on 2.1 and 2.2, there was a great difference and in 2.2 it performed quite well.
So don't consider custom roms as real updates, they are totally modified with tons of changes.
Right now, we don't even know if the stock speed of official update for defy is 1GHZ or 800MHZ...and if it's 1GHZ then i believe the battery will run out faster but we just can't say anything unless we get the official update OR a user who already had the official motorola update on defy (o2 germany users) can actually tell us the difference between 2.1 and 2.2
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So step666 you noticed:
- less battery life
- overall performances not increased
- added flash support
That's not what I'm looking for.
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With regards to performance, my Defy performed well enough under 2.1 that I haven't noticed any difference.
That's not to say that Froyo hasn't necessarily improved matters, just that I haven't seen any practical difference so far - benchmarks are all well and good but they don't make any difference to how a phone works on a day-to-day basis.
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Guys, stop flashing custom roms and confusing other people, custom rom does have 2.2 but it's custom and it prolly overclocks the cpu at high voltage which can be a reason for you to have battery drainage.
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You're guessing and you're wrong.
Firstly, when I did flash a custom ROM, true enough it came with the means to allow you to overclock the CPU but it wasn't automatically activated, you still had to do that yourself.
Secondly, as I said before, I've tried more than one Froyo ROM and the on I'm using now is not a custom ROM but the battery life is still just as poor.
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With regards to performance, my Defy performed well enough under 2.1 that I haven't noticed any difference.
That's not to say that Froyo hasn't necessarily improved matters, just that I haven't seen any practical difference so far - benchmarks are all well and good but they don't make any difference to how a phone works on a day-to-day basis.
You're guessing and you're wrong.
Firstly, when I did flash a custom ROM, true enough it came with the means to allow you to overclock the CPU but it wasn't automatically activated, you still had to do that yourself.
Secondly, as I said before, I've tried more than one Froyo ROM and the on I'm using now is not a custom ROM but the battery life is still just as poor.
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Maybe your cpu is running on different voltage? because OS has got nothing to do with battery life tbh lol
you can have millions of programs running in the background because of your custom rom?
Maybe I spoke too soon...
I don't know what's changed but I'm ~32 houes since charging my handset and have (according to DefyBatt) 55% of my battery left.
The battery's not new, so I don't get why it would need to bed in on the new ROM, yet that seems to be the key
For me, the biggest difference is the new apps that require 2.2 - primarily Chrome To Phone, which I love.
Other than that, 2.2 is faster than stock 2.1, but if you had JIT enabled on 2.1, then the difference isn't huge.
I haven't noticed any difference in battery life.
Basically, it's a minor performance boost, and the ability to use some programs which I couldn't with 2.1.
Hello everybody,
I do respect all the work most of you invested in creating new Android roms. The only problem I see is that most of the roms are based on latest Android versions as Froyo. We need to admit that we have a pretty slow device so from my point of view a Donut rom is something more feasible for our hardware. I was wondering if there is any stable Donut rom you could recommend.
Thank you
Considering that there are G1s out there running Gingerbread already, and they have half the memory of the TP2, I'd say your concern is misguided.
candin1977 said:
Hello everybody,
I do respect all the work most of you invested in creating new Android roms. The only problem I see is that most of the roms are based on latest Android versions as Froyo. We need to admit that we have a pretty slow device so from my point of view a Donut rom is something more feasible for our hardware. I was wondering if there is any stable Donut rom you could recommend.
Thank you
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if you are so desperate to get an donut rom you could check over @ neopeek, i saw an eclair and donut rom there if im correct.
One of my first work has been a port of Myn's Warm Donut with working 3D on Diamond! If more people request this I may have a look but can't say atm if all of the newer kernels would work...
Hi. I agree if we consider the Ram. What about the processor? Both devices have processors of the same generation.
candin1977 said:
Hello everybody,
I do respect all the work most of you invested in creating new Android roms. The only problem I see is that most of the roms are based on latest Android versions as Froyo. We need to admit that we have a pretty slow device so from my point of view a Donut rom is something more feasible for our hardware. I was wondering if there is any stable Donut rom you could recommend.
Thank you
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I felt the same way until I tried Gingerbread. GB0XA is the best (speed wise) option I have found for a non-OC RHOD400.
I'll throw in a +1 for this as well,I would love to see donut running on here,froyo and gingerbread are nice,and yes,the g1 technically does run gingerbread,but have you ever actually used it? It's painfully slow compared to donut,and I have a feeling our phones are probably the same way considering how similar they are.
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I'll throw in a +1 for this as well,I would love to see donut running on here,froyo and gingerbread are nice,and yes,the g1 technically does run gingerbread,but have you ever actually used it? It's painfully slow compared to donut,and I have a feeling our phones are probably the same way considering how similar they are.
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Donut was abandoned. There's probably some old images around, but they won't run very well. Enjoy!
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Donut was abandoned. There's probably some old images around, but they won't run very well. Enjoy!
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The only thing I liked about Donut was the codename.
....Mmmm.... Donuts...
From what I understand froyo shouldnt be much more of a system resource hog than donut was (I believe reading it was actually supposed to be faster but I'm not sure) so it really shouldn't have too big an impact on performance. I've found froyo speeds on certain builds to be quite acceptable.
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From what I understand froyo shouldnt be much more of a system resource hog than donut was (I believe reading it was actually supposed to be faster but I'm not sure) so it really shouldn't have too big an impact on performance. I've found froyo speeds on certain builds to be quite acceptable.
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lol cute. I assume you mean that speeds on XDAndroid's Froyo is not acceptable.
We found the vast majority of the populace would rather take a *slight* performance hit, for better resolution (HDPI vs MDPI).
I assume that's the sore spot as far as speed goes. I find FRX06 to be quite snappy, thank you very much.