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Which version of Manila is this? Help needed

Dear All,
I just installed the 6.5 upgrade available in Singpaore and I dont get to see the Manila version in the Settings Tab as it was in 6.1. When I go to Today settings, the items list says 'HTC Sense' not Touch Flo.
So is it Manila 2.1 or which version is this? I want to have the transparent weather clock and trying to search a compatible one
ROM: 1.86.707.4(67102) WWE
Radio: 4.49.25.17.
Thanks in advance for the help.

Normally there is an "About" entry at the bottom of the TF3D Settings tab -- is this what you're saying is now missing?
I have the AT&T Tilt 2 w/ stock ROM, i.e. WM 6.5, and the About is on the TF3D settings tab.

Same here, only Dutch ;-)
Hi all, I also did an update to WM 6.5, only the Dutch one (from T-mobile).
I also have Sense instead of TF3D now and would like to see the weather on my Today screen.
If anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear them
ROM 1.85.114.1 (65933) NLD
Radio 4.49.25.05
Would we be able to use this for example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=556484 ?

I believe it is Sense 2.1 that you have. Then there is Sense 2.5 that HTC is shipping with their Leo.
Sense is the new name for TouchFLO.

Weather on Today with Seense 2.1?
Seems possible: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4887991
But how?

Lord_BlackAdder said:
I believe it is Sense 2.1 that you have. Then there is Sense 2.5 that HTC is shipping with their Leo.
Sense is the new name for TouchFLO.
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Thank you. I too think it is 2.1, but I dont see it in the About in the Setting tab and thats the reason I checked. But now I have only the copyright information which doesnt say the version of the Manila...so bad.
The reason is I see quite a few good mods available with 2.5 and wanted to check if it is suitable for my ROM...it seems I should use one of the cooked ROMs

does the stock Rhodium wm6.5 have sense?

Greetings,
As all of us know that HTC officially releases WM6.5 to the Rhodium, .... even the new Touch Pro2 comes pre-loaded with WM6.5 instead of WM6.1.
My question is, does this version (HTC Stock WM6.5) have Sense (with the weather animation above the clock and colored icons), or the plain TouchFlo3D (Bi-Color icons and no weather animation on the clock)

I am quite sure they would use the same WM 6.5 ROM as is on their website, so I'm 99.9% sure it will have Sense 2.1. If not it won't take more than a couple mins downloading it and flashing before setting up your new TP2.
Again, I really can't see why they wouldn't include Sense 2.1 in it. It wouldn't make any.
Sense, yeah. Gaw, I'm hilarious. Happy new year!

irkan said:
Greetings,
As all of us know that HTC officially releases WM6.5 to the Rhodium, .... even the new Touch Pro2 comes pre-loaded with WM6.5 instead of WM6.1.
My question is, does this version (HTC Stock WM6.5) have Sense (with the weather animation above the clock and colored icons), or the plain TouchFlo3D (Bi-Color icons and no weather animation on the clock)
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Hi irkan,
Installed HTC 6.5 AU version on my T7381 (via hard spl) and yes it does have Sense, was surprised as only thought cooked roms had ported from leo... so weather is on home screen and icons are coloured .... also Microsoft Voice command works over bluetooth headset which did not on 6.1

palah said:
Hi irkan,
Installed HTC 6.5 AU version on my T7381 (via hard spl) and yes it does have Sense, was surprised as only thought cooked roms had ported from leo... so weather is on home screen and icons are coloured .... also Microsoft Voice command works over bluetooth headset which did not on 6.1
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Really? Great news, i too thought that official sense comes only to the HD2. so i assume the landscape mode of the TP2 sense is officially supported and works flawlessly, thanx!

It is Sense 2.1, which a bit more limited compared to the Sense 2.5 from the Leo.

irkan said:
Really? Great news, i too thought that official sense comes only to the HD2. so i assume the landscape mode of the TP2 sense is officially supported and works flawlessly, thanx!
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yes landscape works on all tabs plus IE & Opera that is all tried so far

ridolfo said:
It is Sense 2.1, which a bit more limited compared to the Sense 2.5 from the Leo.
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do not know version but 2.5 is from Leo (with landscape issues todate) so would say yes it is 2.1 ...

I could see there's some confusion.
Sense2.1 isn't from the Leo (HD2). That's why there's landscape support (landscape support was always present in Sense 2.1). It's just a small upgrade from TouchFlo3D (Manila 2.0); it upgrades to Sense 2.1 (aka Manila 2.1).
As of now, Sense 2.5 is still *officially* known to run only on the HD2. And, Sense 2.5 now has official HTC landscape support; however, 3 tabs are still not fully supported.
*And, I'm sure the stock WWE Rhodium with WM6.5 will have Sense 2.1.

Might be out of topic here but does anyone know how to activate the weather background like in sense 2.5? or is it even possible yet?
Been searching but couldnt find any links to it. Yesterday i saw someone on youtube posted up a video of official TP2 6.5 ROM with the weather background and i thought it was availale but it wasn't. Couldnt find the video again too

mr_sheen said:
Might be out of topic here but does anyone know how to activate the weather background like in sense 2.5? or is it even possible yet?
Been searching but couldnt find any links to it. Yesterday i saw someone on youtube posted up a video of official TP2 6.5 ROM with the weather background and i thought it was availale but it wasn't. Couldnt find the video again too
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I remember in the old EnergyROMs (Manila2.1), I went to Settings Tab > Personalize > Home Wallpaper > when it asked me "Set default?", I said yes.
I think that was cooked in by NRG, though.

sumflipnol said:
I remember in the old EnergyROMs (Manila2.1), I went to Settings Tab > Personalize > Home Wallpaper > when it asked me "Set default?", I said yes.
I think that was cooked in by NRG, though.
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yea, i just upgraded mine from the official 6.1 to the official 6.5.
in mine it's only settings tab > Wallpaper > and after i changed it, then it will ask whether i would like to change it back to default > Yes.
But its only dark background in the home screen, i dont see any animated wallpaper thing. So is it not included on the official 6.5 rom?

I have the TP2 bought in Saudi Arabia. I recently Hard-SPl it and thus was able to install the Hong Kong version of Win6.5, 1.86.721.4(67102) WWE. And it does have the weather animation on the home page. How can i find out the Sense version? By the way it works in the landscape mode too.

my apology...it does have the weather background. Weird,it didn't showed when i tried it earlier.
Oh and while im at it, this is the first time i use the 6.5 over the 6.1 and my impression is that it is......slow. The ram usage is ridiculous too, up to 70% at idle after caching the whole thing? the 6.1 rom onlywent as far as 60% i think after heavy use + 6.1 is a lot snappier too.
i'll play around with this for a week before rolling back to 6.1 i guess

azuka said:
I have the TP2 bought in Saudi Arabia. I recently Hard-SPl it and thus was able to install the Hong Kong version of Win6.5, 1.86.721.4(67102) WWE. And it does have the weather animation on the home page. How can i find out the Sense version? By the way it works in the landscape mode too.
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yeah there hasnt been an official WM6.5 release for TP2 in the middle east, i contacted HTC they said it should be in the first months of 2010.
what are your experience with the original WM6.5 (other than mr_sheen). is it also slow?

How about landscape support in Album while viewing opened photos on Rhodium. Is that working?

irkan said:
yeah there hasnt been an official WM6.5 release for TP2 in the middle east, i contacted HTC they said it should be in the first months of 2010.
what are your experience with the original WM6.5 (other than mr_sheen). is it also slow?
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I am in Dubai, i emailed HTC Support long time back(twice) but no response, and for their Hotline toll fre number , i held it up for more than 17 minutes, and it kept me on hold/waiting.....so dont know how to contact them...
if they are releasing official ROM 6.5 in this month, i will wait...
lets see...if you find it out that it has been released, plz PM me, viz....i will PM you..

just a quick update after i use the 6.5 ROM for a day:
a. With the No push internet tweak the starting RAM is 47% (almost same as 6.1) but then it climbs up again maxing at 72-74% (it stays at 64% for a while but eventually goes up again) after day do day heavy use (sms, phone, internet etc).
b. The opera browser seems to be a lot slower in scrolling. It's not as smooth as in 6.1. No problem in speed and rendering of the page though, its just not smooth. Thats all
c. In 6.1 when i set my device to vibrate sometimes it doesn't vibrate when message comes, it does now, which is a good thing.
d. Haven't tried the GPS as im up to my neck with college work. I'll do it soon though.
e. Overall, its a lot brighter and colourful than the 6.1 package but the 6.1 is a lot snappier in the TouchFlo 3D and the overall windows use.
Personally, i can't stand the RAM usage though, but im just in love with the weather background. I like it. If only i could drop the RAM up to 60% on idle then i'd be a happy man
oh and i read something about disabling network tethering thing to make the RAM a lot less on startup, whereabout is that? i cant seems to find the thread. It's not on sticky either

irkan said:
yeah there hasnt been an official WM6.5 release for TP2 in the middle east, i contacted HTC they said it should be in the first months of 2010.
what are your experience with the original WM6.5 (other than mr_sheen). is it also slow?
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Actually my experience so far has been wonderful. Its not slow. Note though after i hard-spl(ed) i installed the Hong Kong version of Wm6.5. Its not slow. Right now i have my Jabra HALO bluetooth connected to it. Its being a pleasant experience thus far.
I communicated severally with HTC on the release of the Middle East version and after i got tired of waiting i just went the route i took. And so far so good. When HTC finally decides to release the Middle East version i will simply de-install the Hard-Spl and install the middle east version.

azuka said:
Actually my experience so far has been wonderful. Its not slow. Note though after i hard-spl(ed) i installed the Hong Kong version of Wm6.5. Its not slow. Right now i have my Jabra HALO bluetooth connected to it. Its being a pleasant experience thus far.
I communicated severally with HTC on the release of the Middle East version and after i got tired of waiting i just went the route i took. And so far so good. When HTC finally decides to release the Middle East version i will simply de-install the Hard-Spl and install the middle east version.
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You installed the official version for HTC right? or is it a cooked one? if it is official than i dont see why other official versions are slow, the only difference between them is the language (i suppose).
and i did not know that you need hard-SPL to install official HTC ROMs

I have a few questions about Sense, Win 6.5 & 6.1.
I feel quite n00bish, since i had the Kaiser(Tilt 1) for two years & even flashed a custom ROM, but I am looking for some insight into what 'Sense' is, and what does it get you, and does my stock ATT ROM that I have, have it?
I just got the handset, so I assumed it was WIN 6.5, no?
Do I need to flash a custom ROM (Is it advised, since I am happy with the stock ATT rom <for now>?) to get the weather on the clock?
If these are questions I should have read already, please direct me to those threads. But honestly, I am on XDA daily, and I have not come up with the answers.
Thanks!

htc diamond official 6.5 rom??

htc diamond official 6.5 rom??

Never.....

Why
Why do you say never?
Htc didn't make rom with windows 6.5 ?

Touch Diamond is out of date, winmo 6.5 is meant for more current and faster devices.

sugur said:
htc diamond official 6.5 rom??
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HTCTD runs 6.5 slowly and will be too slow to run 7.0 for sure.

Nope, they're only making it for the Diamond2. Unforuntately the Diamond was designed by HTC to work well (pfft) with Windows Mobile 6.1, so HTC wouldn't want people complaining of 6.5's problems unless hardware is customized exclusively for the operating system.
~codeslicer

No, diamond can run well 6.5 (at least in my case). 6.1 provides poor touch sense (tried)
higher wm, not sure

nphaibk said:
No, diamond can run well 6.5 (at least in my case). 6.1 provides poor touch sense (tried)
higher wm, not sure
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I agree, my Diamond is more useable with WM6.5. Because the touch sense of screen is better and items of ui is more like for touch ui device.
And the WM6.5 is running ok in diamond without htc today plugins.

there 's no official 6.5 rom on the diamond

MarTeX said:
I agree, my Diamond is more useable with WM6.5. Because the touch sense of screen is better and items of ui is more like for touch ui device.
And the WM6.5 is running ok in diamond without htc today plugins.
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If you look at memory consumption on 6.5 with SENSE, it is around 80%. HTC wouldn't want people to only be able to run 2 programs at a time, so they don't bother with it.
~codeslicer

Any thread # for a good 6.5 cooked rom for Diamond (not Diamond2)? All I find is old (as of beginning of 2009)

Whts the difference in these 3

whts the difference between sense,manila, & touch flow 3d
sorry if this question is stupid,

The difference between Sense and Manilla are nothing, they are both the same. TF3D is like Sense but its a older software developed in the OEM Windows Mobilw 6.1. Most of Windows 6.5 are Sense 2.1. Hope it helps.

thn what is tf3d?

makak8889 said:
thn what is tf3d?
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"Manila" is the code name HTC has been using for it's shell interface for a while now. The first versions of Manila were referred to as TF3D (TouchFLO3D), up through TF3D 2.1. Then, the next upgrade to Manila was called "Sense", and was intended to be somewhat standardized across WM and Android.
There's a few stock ROM's, and a couple of custom ones, that have WM 6.1 and TF3D with it...but all carriers now have an upgrade to 6.5 and at least Sense 2.1, and there's tons of custom ROMs with those and higher versions.

What verson of Sense

I have a T-Mobile HTC TP2. What version of Sense do I have and how can I tell? I am confused also about the difference between Sense, Touch Flow 3d, and how they interact with WM. Assume that they are both from HTC and maybe Sense is the phone software and Touch FLow 3D is the fancy today screen?

Sense and touchflo3d and tf3d and manila are all the same thing. The names have come from different locations over the years. Sense is the new name for any version 2.5 and up I believe.
It is software that runs in windows mobile. It takes over the visual interaction of the phone with the user. It is a more convenient interface than the standards windows mobile home screen. Most importantly it is a customized piece of software that HTC uses to make its windows mobile offering different from other manufacturers. Windows mobile is very much right under the surface, and is not very hard to get to. Just pushing the on screen windows logo will get you there.
The phone would be capable of doing all the same things without the sense interface. The experience would be different. In many cases you would need additional programs to replicate the functions that sense/touchflo roll up into 1 consistent interface.
That all said there are some who hate it, and flash to get rid of it as soon as they get their phone. To each their own. The best part of windows mobile is that you have choices.

boufa said:
Sense and touchflo3d and tf3d and manila are all the same thing. The names have come from different locations over the years. Sense is the new name for any version 2.5 and up I believe.
It is software that runs in windows mobile. It takes over the visual interaction of the phone with the user. It is a more convenient interface than the standards windows mobile home screen. Most importantly it is a customized piece of software that HTC uses to make its windows mobile offering different from other manufacturers. Windows mobile is very much right under the surface, and is not very hard to get to. Just pushing the on screen windows logo will get you there.
The phone would be capable of doing all the same things without the sense interface. The experience would be different. In many cases you would need additional programs to replicate the functions that sense/touchflo roll up into 1 consistent interface.
That all said there are some who hate it, and flash to get rid of it as soon as they get their phone. To each their own. The best part of windows mobile is that you have choices.
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boufa pretty much summed it all up there...Sense/TF3D/Manila are all referring to the shell interface that HTC built on top of plain 'ol WM. Manila is the name HTC uses for all of them, TF3D and Sense are just versions (kinda like generations) of Manila. The first Sense version was 2.0 technically, but you'll more often see 2.1 and 2.5. TF3D's last version was 2.1, which existed and was distributed at the same time as Sense 2.1 (not on the same model devices though lol)
You're running a stock ROM from Tmobile, right? And, have you upgraded the ROM at all since you bought the phone?

thebrenda said:
I have a T-Mobile HTC TP2. What version of Sense do I have and how can I tell? I am confused also about the difference between Sense, Touch Flow 3d, and how they interact with WM. Assume that they are both from HTC and maybe Sense is the phone software and Touch FLow 3D is the fancy today screen?
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You probably have 6.1 if you are using stock Jan 2010 firmware. The way to tell between 2.1 and 2.5 is that 2.5 has shortcut icons below the clock; 2.1 does not.

stevedebi said:
You probably have 6.1 if you are using stock Jan 2010 firmware. The way to tell between 2.1 and 2.5 is that 2.5 has shortcut icons below the clock; 2.1 does not.
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Yeah, the odds are you have winmo 6.5, with Sense 2.1......unless you bought the phone before Jan or so, and never upgraded winmo after you bought it. In that case, you have winmo 6.1, with TF3D 2.1 (a manila version before sense)

Bought the HTC TP2 about one month ago. WM 6.1 Prof. I have not upgraded it to 6.5. Plan on doing it but I have loaded so much software in the last month, it will take me a weekend to put it all back on.

thebrenda said:
Bought the HTC TP2 about one month ago. WM 6.1 Prof. I have not upgraded it to 6.5. Plan on doing it but I have loaded so much software in the last month, it will take me a weekend to put it all back on.
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Gotcha, yes then what you have on there is TouchFLO3D (TF3D) 2.1, the last version of manila before sense. It looks very much like sense 2.1 in a lot of ways, but there are key differences going on behind the scenes that cause very few visual tweaks and adjustments to be compatible with both versions... but the good news is that pretty much any apps or tweaks you find on this site that say they apply to WM6.1/TF3D 2.1 should also work ok on your phone, even if they're for a different HTC model (the ones that don't will usually say so). There's less and less new TF3D stuff available in the TP2 forums now that every model has a 6.5 upgrade avialable, so you may find more stuff looking in the general windows area of the forums. But, keep an eye here too...beyond sense modifications there's still a ton of great stuff (apps, etc) that you can use on WM 6.1

when apply the t-mobile i upgrade to WM 6.5, will I get Manila, Sense 2.5?

thebrenda said:
when apply the t-mobile i upgrade to WM 6.5, will I get Manila, Sense 2.5?
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Nope, 2.1 It still gives you a lot more options than TF3D, but it's nowhere near as versatile as 2.5.
Now, just be prepared for the fact that as you move up in manila versions (TF3D-sense 2.1-sense 2.5), you're likely to notice the phone slow down more. Each version is more "complex" than the last, and therefore more taxing on system resources.

so how do you get sense 2.5 with the tp2, or is that only for the hd2?

Install a custom ROM. If you've even slightly competent and are capable of following instructions carefully, there is basically no risk in installing a custom ROM. You can even revert back to the default ROM if you choose to later on. I don't think you can get rid of HardSPL, unfortunately, but I'm not sure. If you can't then I'm sure you'd probably void your warranty with a custom ROM should the phone encounter some unrelated hardware error later on.

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Install a custom ROM. If you've even slightly competent and are capable of following instructions carefully, there is basically no risk in installing a custom ROM. You can even revert back to the default ROM if you choose to later on. I don't think you can get rid of HardSPL, unfortunately, but I'm not sure. If you can't then I'm sure you'd probably void your warranty with a custom ROM should the phone encounter some unrelated hardware error later on.
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I am slightly compenten and I can follow instructions. But what is HardSPL. And you can only get Sense 6.5 through a customer ROM??

thebrenda said:
I am slightly compenten and I can follow instructions. But what is HardSPL. And you can only get Sense 6.5 through a customer ROM??
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Take a look at the ROM development forum, all questions can be answered in the first several topics.