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is there a wm6.1 for dash???

dear guys, i know you are the best in upgrading our smartphones, do you know if there is, or soon will be an upgrade to wm6.1 for s620???
tnx

Not yet.. but I think that soon it will come to S620.
We are all waiting for this update

I actually got to play with a Windows Mobile 6.1 Dash but it still seemed to lag a fair amount. Just had a flashier home screen. Everything seemed to be the same. They added Copy and Paste as well.
JAmerican

JAmerican said:
I actually got to play with a Windows Mobile 6.1 Dash but it still seemed to lag a fair amount. Just had a flashier home screen. Everything seemed to be the same. They added Copy and Paste as well.
JAmerican
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Oh man that's great news!!! I am excited. At least that confirms that there is a very high chance we will have to upgrade. Hopefully it will become more stable and not have memory leaks.
Thanks Jamerican....

did you check the new PIE how is it, does it have flash???

How about threaded sms like the PPC version has??

i'm actually really curious about wm6.1 too. I know it's out already, so where are the ROMs at? BTW, does anyone have access to HTC's downloads for the S620-621? When I attempted to register my unit with the serial # at their site, it wouldn't let me since it knew it was T-Mo Dash instead.
EDIT: well a quick search on google yielded this interesting result:
http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=13800
I guess that's why we're not seeing any wm6.1 devices anytime soon...

even so, here at xda-developers you can see upgrades to 6.1 for some devices, so i guess we´ll just have to wait a little bit, but its going yo be here i´m sure

Google is your friend. Many websites have covered the new WM6.1 features. Basically it comes out to these:
* Threaded SMS - A Chat like function for your SMS Inbox
* Zoom out in Pocket IE - Enables Page overview mode and better navigation
* One Note included in Office Mobile
* Running Programs tab in Settings > Memory replaced to a better Task Manager. (But the previous running programs tab was much simple and easier)
* A new Managed Programs menu
As you can see, no mention of flash incorporation in PIE. Personally, I won't upgrade until it is as fast as the HTC ROM I'm using now. I am, however, really excited about threaded SMS.

wm6.1 does exist for the dash.
Lets put it this way. People have HTC excalibur running wm6.1. 6.1 adds a new home screen, better IE (much better IE), copy & paste, new version of active sync, etc, etc. WM6.1 is also faster. I'm not sure when this will be avaliable to everyone... but it does exist.

Actually I tried it at a M$ event at my school. The lady said it would take at least 10 months for consumers to see it. That does not include carrier customization etc. Pissed me off.
JAmerican

How come the Wing users have the 6.1 and not us! When I had the Wing the 6.1 made it SOOO much better....sucks having to wait

collins521 said:
How come the Wing users have the 6.1 and not us! When I had the Wing the 6.1 made it SOOO much better....sucks having to wait
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Yup, i'll vouch for this. I have open touch v3 on my wing and love it. Sometimes i like to go out with my dash since its slimmer and wow its like night and day how slow it is. Even with the new HTC rom that was posted...

Am I missing something here? When did the Wing get a system that isnt released yet? I am confused

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Am I missing something here? When did the Wing get a system that isnt released yet? I am confused
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WM 6.1 is alive and well on the PPC platform. First batch of WM 6.1 Professional ROMs hit the scene about a week and a half ago and I may be wrong about this but I believe the wing (HTC Herald) was the first to get it from our fine chefs here on XDA-DEV. Still waiting on a 6.1 Standard version for our favorite non-touchscreen devices (HTC Excalibur etc)...
Also don't forget that fortunately/unfortunately the touchscreen devices are way more popular than the non-touchscreen devices.
Personally I believe my T-Mobile Dash running the HTC ship rom is way more stable than any other Windows Mobile device I have ever owned, and I've had quite a few as can be seen in my sig.

Thats interesting, I had no idea!

I don't want to waste time flashing my Dash with a cooked 6.0 ROM (HTC ROM) if 6.1 is only a few weeks away. Any estimate from the ROM cookers on a 6.1 release for the Dash?

Microsoft Is Coming Out With An Official 6.1 Version For The Excalibur Very Soon
T-Will said:
I don't want to waste time flashing my Dash with a cooked 6.0 ROM (HTC ROM) if 6.1 is only a few weeks away. Any estimate from the ROM cookers on a 6.1 release for the Dash?
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This is good news to my ears, I had no ideal that Microsoft was coming out with a official released for the Excalibur very soon...........!

Haha, yeah good thing I didn't waste my time with a cooked 6.0 ROM...

This ever happed?
WM 6.1 for S621, Excalibur?
Official ROM release?

Will Windows 6.5 also update touchflo?

I've been looking around for more info on this, but haven't found much.
So, will the free upgrade for Windows 6.5 on the TP2 include the new touchflo 2.5 that we've seen on some ROMS lately? I haven't had a chance to try any of them out since I'm on Telus CDMA version, so I'm still pretty excited if it will indeed update touchflo as well.
Anyone know?

they claim there will be an updated touchflo im not sure if its the leo version but there will be some type of update to it. either way i never use stock roms there usually a waste.

it's probably the same as the htc sense roms in the ROM section in the rhodium forum. So only the weather feature changed.

Yeah according to one of the vodafone touch diamond 2 roms just released over in Germany, the new update just has the updated version of touch flo 2.1 . I doubt 2.5 will ever be made for the touch pro 2, it's far to laggy (espeacially landscape for the music and picture tabs) and hence requires way more processing power than our super small 528mhz

well that's dissappointing. i really wanted those new internet, contact and twitter tabs. not that excited about 6.5 anymore

J0NNYBRAV0 said:
well that's dissappointing. i really wanted those new internet, contact and twitter tabs. not that excited about 6.5 anymore
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Just install a cooked ROM and you can have it.

Not easy if u have a CDMA phone.

check out ppcgeeks for the custom CDMA roms...
XDA is great, but mostly GSM.

Am I wrong to prefer WM6.1 on the TP2?

Hi All
I made an upgrade yesterday; I previously had the stock HTC rom with Windows Mobile 6.1 & TouchFlo 2.1, and I hard reset, then upgraded to the official HTC Windows Mobile version 6.5.
Are there any other users who prefer the old version? The phone seemed so much smoother before the upgrade, it almost feels as though the hardware isn't up to the job of running the new version. I even preferred the old black and white Touch Flo menu colours, the colour ones don't look as nice. I don't really see any amazing 'must-have' new features on the OS either - as a result, i'll be 'downgrading' my phone, back to the old ROM 1.19.401.1 later today.
I wondered if there are others who feel the same way, or am I just not giving the new OS time to win me over?
Have a good weekend everyone....
LJ

Glad its not just me then...

Same here. I very much prefer WM 6.1. Multitasking on WM 6.5 is a pain and it is slow. Only problem is that I cannot initiate VoiceCommand over Bluetooth on the 6.1 ROM. That is the only reason why I moved to 6.5. And nobody seems to know a cooked 6.1 ROM that enables voicecommand over bluetooth.

Same here. After upgrading, and installing a few programs, I started having stability issues. Nothing serious, but I hadn't noticed that on WM6.1. Also, the battery consumption is higher, the memory consumtion is higher (I've seen it use as much as 85% of memory, which leaves about 40-45Mb free), and TF3D looks like it's half finished.
I've already flashed back to WM6.1. Maybe I'll try again if HTC releases an updated WM6.5, but until then I intend to enjoy my device with the original ROM.

Same here, tho I'll maybe try it again when verizon gets theirs together. After trialing many cooked 6.5's on my old tp I'm not a big fan. I think my tp2 as is, is a very outstanding device.

6.5 was on my TP2 for about 15 minutes. it seemed slower then the Orange shipped 6.1 ROM I've been happy with, but without any benefits. So im back on the Orange ROM.

May I ask how many of you have HardSPL'd to install an upgrade not meant for your device?
I only ask this because most others (including me) have noticed a marked improvement. Disregarding colours layout etc. as they are only personal preference.
I wonder if we are getting back to the old Kaiser/Tilt scenario where people forget the devices marketed for the US are HW different from the rest of the world due to US laws and US operators requirements and US having a different radio system to most others?
JMHO

Farsquidge said:
May I ask how many of you have HardSPL'd to install an upgrade not meant for your device?
I only ask this because most others (including me) have noticed a marked improvement. Disregarding colours layout etc. as they are only personal preference.
I wonder if we are getting back to the old Kaiser/Tilt scenario where people forget the devices marketed for the US are HW different from the rest of the world due to US laws and US operators requirements and US having a different radio system to most others?
JMHO
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You make a very good point. In my case, the device in question is a standard, stock, UK unbranded TP2 from HTC, so I this scenario does not apply in my case, but I have tried it on a Vodafone UK handset which HAS been HardSPL'ed. Most people who are familiar with the Vodafone UK ROM know that it's plain ugly with one of the worst themes known to man
But yeah, it could indeed be the reason why some people are having problems.
I'm glad i'm not the only one who feels this way too though - thanks all for sharing your thoughts. I guess in my case, a lot of it is just down to personal preference - plus, without realising it, the phone already did everything I needed it to, and did it well enough for me - so I don't really know what I thought 6.5 was going to do that would change that.
Just my 2 cents.
Cheers all...

You could always turn off the TF3D and other Win 6.5 stuff and have a 6.1-ish homescreen in 6.5
But I love the new interface, it took me about 3 hours to get used to, and now I'd never go back

I'm a fan of 6.1 but it really sucks that all the new tf3d won't work on 6.1. I've come to terms with 6.5.1. I like that version of 6.5 but the regular interface to me just sucks!!

lol - Snap!
Im not overly fussed about TF versions and what not, the device is plainly slower on 6.5
(Stock UK HTC)
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Same here. I very much prefer WM 6.1. Multitasking on WM 6.5 is a pain and it is slow. Only problem is that I cannot initiate VoiceCommand over Bluetooth on the 6.1 ROM. That is the only reason why I moved to 6.5. And nobody seems to know a cooked 6.1 ROM that enables voicecommand over bluetooth.
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I disagree, I have been using 6.5 on my Tytn II for ages and when I finally got my TP2 on Vodafone here in the UK I came home, HardSPL'd it and found a cooked 6.5 ROM that I liked (Thanks NRG) I have experienced no problems at all and it gets rid of the ugly Voda theme too.
I love 6.5 and couldn't stay on 6.1 for longer then I did.

Winmo 6.1 v 6.5 on touch pro2
Initially the upgrade was staccatto but a new hard reset fixed that. Wifi turns itself off now but gProfile still works so no worries there. MMS have gone back to early TP 1 mistake of flipping the image by 90degrees for MMS (annoying).
Battery life seems better and the web scrolls better with fingers (or is that me)
Couple of oddities -e.g. Text boxes dont wrap well on web pages. Also i have had to restart more often then 6.1. (tp2 6.1 is the most stable winmo ppc i have ever known)
I shall stick with it for now I think however.

In the end, I believe the phrase "To each his own.." is most appropriate. Some love WM 6.1, some love 6.5 and others absolute hate any official/stock ROM. That's the beauty of the HTC dev community, I think there is something for everyone!

Are they still using that horrible WIDCOMM bluetooth stack/driver on WM6.5 upgrade?

I totally agree with you.
I have downgraded to Orange's stock ROM.... That's the first time I find a stock ROM better than an official or cooked ROM.
It starts using 42% or less RAM
It works "correctly" (stilll has unexplained problems) with BB Connect.
It works fast (of course, there's 58% RAM left for software execution).... and with a few chnages, the GPS is effective.
What I miss from WM 6.5 is just the My Location option that doesn't exist in Orange's ROM.
I'll wait for their official 6.5 ROM and maybe will test it...

cerealfreak said:
I disagree, I have been using 6.5 on my Tytn II for ages and when I finally got my TP2 on Vodafone here in the UK I came home, HardSPL'd it and found a cooked 6.5 ROM that I liked (Thanks NRG) I have experienced no problems at all and it gets rid of the ugly Voda theme too.
I love 6.5 and couldn't stay on 6.1 for longer then I did.
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So you never really tried 6.1 on the TP2 and don't have a basis for comparison? (obviously 6.5 on the TP2 will work a lot better than on a TytnII, it's a case of apples and oranges).
Will try the upgrade when it comes out. Though I know from the screen shots I prefer the colour layout of TF3D2.1 to the colour icons of TF3D2.5
But I'll give it a try and go with what works best for me.

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...Will try the upgrade when it comes out. Though I know from the screen shots I prefer the colour layout of TF3D2.1 to the colour icons of TF3D2.5
But I'll give it a try and go with what works best for me.
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You may want to check out this post of mine if you really don't like the color icons that HTC provided...

Power Functions in 6.1
I started a thread, posted in multiple threads, exchanged P.M.s, searched like it was my job and flashed multiple 6.1 variants. The one function, or lack thereof, that was the deciding factor for me was the power saving functionality in the media players response to pressing the power button to turn the screen off to save battery. It would stop the music playback!
My old Herald did this. The Fuze did this. Both on 6.1 Roms. Why the TP2 could not, with the smooth Tmobile stock Rom, I could not understand. I used so many different playes that all worked in the past. My current favorite is Nitrogen. But since I listen to music so much I couldn't have the sreen, even 'dim', for the hours I listen to music. My battery would be dead in no time.
This, ultimately, was the reason for me flashing and sticking with 6.5. If any one has found the magic registry edit or whatever for this fix, let me know.

Do you listen to your music with the speaker? Because my stock 6.1 US TMo TP2 continues to play via headphones just fine after pressing the power button. I'm no audiophile but I could not imagine listening to music on that speaker. Just thinking about it makes me shudder.
S

Some questions about the Touch Pro 2 [follower model, BlackBerry, Performance, Apps]

Hey there,
right now I am thinking about getting a new device and there are some questions that keep me awake at night.
1. Are there any news or rumors about the following model of the Touch Pro 2 ?
1.1 When do you expect the follower model of the TP2?
2. As far as I know from going through the respective threads, there is no possibility yet to get BlackBerry Messenger working on the TP2. Is that just a matter of (a bit of) time, or does this require some hardware/server/technical changes from BlackBerry?
Since in (most) German mobile phone stores the devices on display are not working (you can't switch em on), I wanted to ask about the performance of the TP 2.
3. Is the (outdated?) 528 Mhz processor of the TP2 capable of running smooth 3D user interface operations (I think it's called Manila) on the org. WM6.5 ROM?
3.1 While the TP2 comes with the standard WM6.1 ROM, would you recommend to switch to the org. WM6.5 ROM or are there any cooked ROMs which are not too much about customizing, but optimizing performance or overclocking?
4. I couldnt find anything about that on the HTC website, but does the org. WM6.5 ROM include apps like Facebook, Twitter, etc.?
4.1 Does the org. WM6.5 ROM for the Touch Pro 2 include HTC Sense, or more like: does it have the same user interface and functions as the Touch HD2 ROM? And if not, is there any cooked ROM for the TP2 that has all (or some of) those functions and is it working properly/smoothly? (just asking because the HD2 runs on a twice-as-fast 1 Ghz processor).
5. If you have time and feel like answering this: Are there any Apps for the TP2 that make or life easier, increase the performance, simplify the handling,etc.?
I would really appreciate some help on these questions.
Thanks a lot in advance for your answers.

an answer to only some of those questions would be helpful already

1. Here's a page with the supposed HTC roadmap for devices of 2010. Keep in mind these are leaked files; the phones might not be released, or there might be phones that are not on the list that could launch this year.
The last phone mentioned is the HTC Tera. This seems to be a more powerful (600Mhz CPU), yet downgraded TP2 (check out some of the mentioned specs, and look at the picture of the more inferior keyboard). IMO, I don't think it's worth waiting for this!
3. I don't have, nor have I ever tried, the official HTC-released WM6.5 ROM. I'm using a beta-ROM of WM6.5.5, which has the Start button at the bottom left of the screen. The processor is "outdated," especially since it was present on the original HTC TP1 (Raphael).
I have tried the stock-carrier-ROM with WM6.5 and Manila 2.1 for T-Mobile USA (HTC's ROM is also WM6.5 with Manila 2.1) and the Manila UI (the screens with the slider/tabs at the bottom of the screen) was fast.
3.1 Some people prefer not to switch to WM6.5 as it uses more program memory to process all of the graphical changes.
If you look for ark666's Rhodium_AF ROMs in the ROMs section, you might find they look very "stock-ish" but run efficiently.
4. I believe there is Facebook integration in the ROM. Otherwise, you could go into the new WM Marketplace on the TP2 and download the Facebook App for free. Likewise (I think) for Twitter.
4.1 The HTC ROM comes with Manila (aka Sense) 2.1. Sense 2.1 looks something like this (of course, there will be some visual differences, as this is customized).
Sense2.5 is currently official to run only on the HTC HD2. XDA-Developer ROM chefs, however, have ported this to many other HTC devices. Sense 2.5 looks like this. These are usually a little laggier, but not too much. I've loved these "'Leo' ROMs for Rhodium" for 4 months now.
5. There are many apps out there! You would definitely want to have Advanced Configuration Tool as it contains many tweaks.
Here's where you can get apps: 1800PocketPC, WM6software, freewarepocketpc, the WM Marketplace on the WM6.5 (though there's a download to get it on WM6.1) update, XDA-Developers (via searching). You will notice many apps can be found in any -- if not all -- of the links. There are many people who upload the same software on different websites.

Thanks heaps sumflipnol!
1. I totally agree, the HTC Tera (as of todays available information) doesnt seem to be worth waitnig for.
3. & 3.1. You said ark666's Rhodium_AF Roms are WM6.1 and run efficiently. So I found this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=552821 As far as I understand, he is offering 2 versions: 21889 as WM6.1 and 23518 which is the WM6.5 version with Manila 2.5 (looks like that in the youtube video he posted). Are both version working smoothly/efficiently?
4. & 4.1. I took a look at the Energy "Leo" ROM and it looked very nice. What I really like about Manila 2.5 is the bigger buttons which makes it easier to navigate with fingers. But what are the differences to ark666's 23518 ROM?
What I would appreciate is a smoothly running ROM with Manila 2.5 (the bigger buttons). So I dont know which would be the better choice. ark666's 23518 ROM or Energy "Leo"'s?
5. Thanks a lot for that. I saw a bunch of useful Apps on those sites. However there are 2 Apps I would really like to have:
A. WMWifiRouter (which turns you phone into a regular Router so you can connect your laptop via wireless and have mobile internet), but the website (http://www.wmwifirouter.com) doesn't say whether it's working for WM6.1/6.5 or not.
B. An App which I dont know the name of, but I know it is available for Iphone. With this App you can let your phone record a few seconds of a song (maybe while driving and listening to the radio) and then it searches online for the Artist and Title of the song.
If anyone knows anything regarding question 2 (BlackBerry Messenger), it would be much appreciated, since most of my contacts have BlackBerrys.

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5. Thanks a lot for that. I saw a bunch of useful Apps on those sites. However there are 2 Apps I would really like to have:
A. WMWifiRouter (which turns you phone into a regular Router so you can connect your laptop via wireless and have mobile internet), but the website (http://www.wmwifirouter.com) doesn't say whether it's working for WM6.1/6.5 or not.
B. An App which I dont know the name of, but I know it is available for Iphone. With this App you can let your phone record a few seconds of a song (maybe while driving and listening to the radio) and then it searches online for the Artist and Title of the song.
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I'm afraid I can't help you with the BB questions, but I've got some other stuff that might be useful...
WMWifiRouter should work for you in 6.1/6.5. They have a time-limited trial version so you can give it a test drive first, I've attached the cab below. However, there's also a free solution available here on xda that may be adequate for you, it's called HTC CM Wifi Internet Sharing, details on THIS THREAD. Try 'em both out and see what you prefer...the free one works just fine for me!
The music app you're thinking of is probably Shazam, and it's available in the windows marketplace. There's also at least one other app that claims to do the same thing, but I think Shazam is the more mature and widespread app.

Don-Carlo said:
Thanks heaps sumflipnol!
1. I totally agree, the HTC Tera (as of todays available information) doesnt seem to be worth waitnig for.
3. & 3.1. You said ark666's Rhodium_AF Roms are WM6.1 and run efficiently. So I found this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=552821 As far as I understand, he is offering 2 versions: 21889 as WM6.1 and 23518 which is the WM6.5 version with Manila 2.5 (looks like that in the youtube video he posted). Are both version working smoothly/efficiently?
4. & 4.1. I took a look at the Energy "Leo" ROM and it looked very nice. What I really like about Manila 2.5 is the bigger buttons which makes it easier to navigate with fingers. But what are the differences to ark666's 23518 ROM?
What I would appreciate is a smoothly running ROM with Manila 2.5 (the bigger buttons). So I dont know which would be the better choice. ark666's 23518 ROM or Energy "Leo"'s?
5. Thanks a lot for that. I saw a bunch of useful Apps on those sites. However there are 2 Apps I would really like to have:
A. WMWifiRouter (which turns you phone into a regular Router so you can connect your laptop via wireless and have mobile internet), but the website (http://www.wmwifirouter.com) doesn't say whether it's working for WM6.1/6.5 or not.
B. An App which I dont know the name of, but I know it is available for Iphone. With this App you can let your phone record a few seconds of a song (maybe while driving and listening to the radio) and then it searches online for the Artist and Title of the song.
If anyone knows anything regarding question 2 (BlackBerry Messenger), it would be much appreciated, since most of my contacts have BlackBerrys.
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3. & 3.1. Sorry! I meant ark666's ROMs are all WM6.5, but they look close to a stock ROM, and run as efficiently as WM6.1 (so I've been told)!
Build 21889 is WM6.5, which [still] has the Start button at the top-left corner.
Builds with 23xxx, 24xxx, 28xxx are WM6.5.X (X being either 3 or 5). These have the Start button at the bottom-left of the screen, as you can see in the Sense2.1 link I had in my previous post.
Based on that info ^^^ ark666's ROM, WM6.5 with Sense 2.5 is here. While his WM6.5.5 with Sense 2.5 is here. I have yet to try these newly released ROMs, so I cannot comment on them.
4 & 4.1. You can't really notice differences in WM builds, especially since the chefs usually enhance it more. The EnergyROMs are highly customized and have many apps and tweaks already built-in whereas Rhodium_AF ROMs, like I said, are close to stock. The flashing process is very easy and shouldn't take that long, so you should try these ROMs.
However, now that you're asking about the EnergyROMs, you should also check out agent_47's ValkyrieROMs. These are sort of "in the middle" of the EnergyROMs and Rhodium_AF ROMs.
5b. Shazam is okay, but I really use/prefer Midomi (attached).

Hey,...
...sorry to push this thread to the top.
Just a quick question: I just got my new TP2 and saw, that on the back cover, there is no protection glass over the camera. It is just a whole. Is that normal?
I'm just wondering, because thats the first time is see this on a HTC device. I mean it's kinda unconvenient, since dust can get underneath the back cover easily.

**push**

Yes, that's normal.

What verson of Sense

I have a T-Mobile HTC TP2. What version of Sense do I have and how can I tell? I am confused also about the difference between Sense, Touch Flow 3d, and how they interact with WM. Assume that they are both from HTC and maybe Sense is the phone software and Touch FLow 3D is the fancy today screen?

Sense and touchflo3d and tf3d and manila are all the same thing. The names have come from different locations over the years. Sense is the new name for any version 2.5 and up I believe.
It is software that runs in windows mobile. It takes over the visual interaction of the phone with the user. It is a more convenient interface than the standards windows mobile home screen. Most importantly it is a customized piece of software that HTC uses to make its windows mobile offering different from other manufacturers. Windows mobile is very much right under the surface, and is not very hard to get to. Just pushing the on screen windows logo will get you there.
The phone would be capable of doing all the same things without the sense interface. The experience would be different. In many cases you would need additional programs to replicate the functions that sense/touchflo roll up into 1 consistent interface.
That all said there are some who hate it, and flash to get rid of it as soon as they get their phone. To each their own. The best part of windows mobile is that you have choices.

boufa said:
Sense and touchflo3d and tf3d and manila are all the same thing. The names have come from different locations over the years. Sense is the new name for any version 2.5 and up I believe.
It is software that runs in windows mobile. It takes over the visual interaction of the phone with the user. It is a more convenient interface than the standards windows mobile home screen. Most importantly it is a customized piece of software that HTC uses to make its windows mobile offering different from other manufacturers. Windows mobile is very much right under the surface, and is not very hard to get to. Just pushing the on screen windows logo will get you there.
The phone would be capable of doing all the same things without the sense interface. The experience would be different. In many cases you would need additional programs to replicate the functions that sense/touchflo roll up into 1 consistent interface.
That all said there are some who hate it, and flash to get rid of it as soon as they get their phone. To each their own. The best part of windows mobile is that you have choices.
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boufa pretty much summed it all up there...Sense/TF3D/Manila are all referring to the shell interface that HTC built on top of plain 'ol WM. Manila is the name HTC uses for all of them, TF3D and Sense are just versions (kinda like generations) of Manila. The first Sense version was 2.0 technically, but you'll more often see 2.1 and 2.5. TF3D's last version was 2.1, which existed and was distributed at the same time as Sense 2.1 (not on the same model devices though lol)
You're running a stock ROM from Tmobile, right? And, have you upgraded the ROM at all since you bought the phone?

thebrenda said:
I have a T-Mobile HTC TP2. What version of Sense do I have and how can I tell? I am confused also about the difference between Sense, Touch Flow 3d, and how they interact with WM. Assume that they are both from HTC and maybe Sense is the phone software and Touch FLow 3D is the fancy today screen?
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You probably have 6.1 if you are using stock Jan 2010 firmware. The way to tell between 2.1 and 2.5 is that 2.5 has shortcut icons below the clock; 2.1 does not.

stevedebi said:
You probably have 6.1 if you are using stock Jan 2010 firmware. The way to tell between 2.1 and 2.5 is that 2.5 has shortcut icons below the clock; 2.1 does not.
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Yeah, the odds are you have winmo 6.5, with Sense 2.1......unless you bought the phone before Jan or so, and never upgraded winmo after you bought it. In that case, you have winmo 6.1, with TF3D 2.1 (a manila version before sense)

Bought the HTC TP2 about one month ago. WM 6.1 Prof. I have not upgraded it to 6.5. Plan on doing it but I have loaded so much software in the last month, it will take me a weekend to put it all back on.

thebrenda said:
Bought the HTC TP2 about one month ago. WM 6.1 Prof. I have not upgraded it to 6.5. Plan on doing it but I have loaded so much software in the last month, it will take me a weekend to put it all back on.
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Gotcha, yes then what you have on there is TouchFLO3D (TF3D) 2.1, the last version of manila before sense. It looks very much like sense 2.1 in a lot of ways, but there are key differences going on behind the scenes that cause very few visual tweaks and adjustments to be compatible with both versions... but the good news is that pretty much any apps or tweaks you find on this site that say they apply to WM6.1/TF3D 2.1 should also work ok on your phone, even if they're for a different HTC model (the ones that don't will usually say so). There's less and less new TF3D stuff available in the TP2 forums now that every model has a 6.5 upgrade avialable, so you may find more stuff looking in the general windows area of the forums. But, keep an eye here too...beyond sense modifications there's still a ton of great stuff (apps, etc) that you can use on WM 6.1

when apply the t-mobile i upgrade to WM 6.5, will I get Manila, Sense 2.5?

thebrenda said:
when apply the t-mobile i upgrade to WM 6.5, will I get Manila, Sense 2.5?
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Nope, 2.1 It still gives you a lot more options than TF3D, but it's nowhere near as versatile as 2.5.
Now, just be prepared for the fact that as you move up in manila versions (TF3D-sense 2.1-sense 2.5), you're likely to notice the phone slow down more. Each version is more "complex" than the last, and therefore more taxing on system resources.

so how do you get sense 2.5 with the tp2, or is that only for the hd2?

Install a custom ROM. If you've even slightly competent and are capable of following instructions carefully, there is basically no risk in installing a custom ROM. You can even revert back to the default ROM if you choose to later on. I don't think you can get rid of HardSPL, unfortunately, but I'm not sure. If you can't then I'm sure you'd probably void your warranty with a custom ROM should the phone encounter some unrelated hardware error later on.

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Install a custom ROM. If you've even slightly competent and are capable of following instructions carefully, there is basically no risk in installing a custom ROM. You can even revert back to the default ROM if you choose to later on. I don't think you can get rid of HardSPL, unfortunately, but I'm not sure. If you can't then I'm sure you'd probably void your warranty with a custom ROM should the phone encounter some unrelated hardware error later on.
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I am slightly compenten and I can follow instructions. But what is HardSPL. And you can only get Sense 6.5 through a customer ROM??

thebrenda said:
I am slightly compenten and I can follow instructions. But what is HardSPL. And you can only get Sense 6.5 through a customer ROM??
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Take a look at the ROM development forum, all questions can be answered in the first several topics.