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Windows Phone 7 for HD2

Hi all ass google told me, there will be an unofficial update for hd2 but they still have problems with the grafic driver.
I may buy an Hd2 and i want to know your opinion about the graphic bug and if the Hd2 has enough sufficient hardware; 1Ghz cpu is MINIMUM requierement and in the video in youtube the os works really slow.
Thx

wait until its ready for the HD2 before you buy 1, because its no guarantee that it will work & if it does who knows if it will be able to download things from the marketplace
as far as graphic drivers if those arent up to par the whole UI will be pointless (laggy & choppy) to many unknowns to spend that much on a phone imo

I talked to HTC and T-mobile they expect the update mid to late june around the same time the Iphone 4g will be droppin...

sorry to say but they just fed you donkey balls =)
the only thing I have seen or even heard/downloaded is a new rom from htc and its still 6.5
it isn't 7 =/
Officially microsoft has repeatedly stated that no device will get the wp7 upgrade sadly...so take it as it were but that's the official word

Thx guys but with unofficial update i mean the russian guys who could get wp7 working on the hd2

domineus said:
sorry to say but they just fed you donkey balls =)
the only thing I have seen or even heard/downloaded is a new rom from htc and its still 6.5
it isn't 7 =/
Officially microsoft has repeatedly stated that no device will get the wp7 upgrade sadly...so take it as it were but that's the official word
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can u find the official microsoft statement and give s a link here??

well..I found this:
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Cue the sad trombone, folks. If you were waiting around with your Windows Mobile 6.5 device with hopes that Microsoft would one day bless it with a new chance at life in the form of Windows Phone 7, it’s time to move on.
APC Magazine just got the full spiel from Microsoft themselves: Windows Mobile 6.5 devices won’t be upgradable to Windows Phone 7 series. (You hear that? Five hundred XDA hackers just scoffed and said “Yeah, we’ll see about that.”)
Why? Standards. Microsoft has a very, very, almost ridiculously strict set of hardware guidelines that they want manufacturing partners to follow when building Windows Phone 7 Series handsets — and for the most part, old handsets just don’t fit the bill. They either lack one of the three mandatory keys (search, back, and Windows key), or — get this — they have too many keys.
A while back, a shot of the HTC HD2 allegedly running Windows Phone 7 Series hit the net. We were quick to debunk it here, with our reasoning being that the HD2 lacked the mandatory search key. Sure enough: Microsoft’s GM of Mobile Communications in the Asia-Pacific, Natasha Kwan, says the HD2 won’t be getting the upgrade “because it doesn’t have the three buttons”.
Of course, this just means that they won’t be getting the upgrade treatment from Microsoft. As we mentioned above, there’s probably a mighty army of hackers just waiting to get their hands on Windows Phone ROMs for the sake of down-porting it to older handsets; if it’s feasible, it’ll probably happen.
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http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/03/01/windows-mobile-6-5-upgrade-windows-phone-7/
daam..now i'm becoming really the anti-microsoft..
and I never thought I would say that..not even after windows ME and Vista on pc..
how can they do this to us???
So they say just because there aint no search button..and there r to mush other buttons our phones wont get WP 7?
SO that means we (all HD2 users)just got f****d???dam..I spent alotta money not to change my phone in couple of month..since WM 6.5 is totally dead..

MS will change their mind
When all of us move to Android or stay with our HD2 another year at least, and many will buy the new iPhone, MS will realize what a fatal market research it is to force phone makers to a specific look (or buttons).
I am also reading they will not allow a layer of extra GUI like HTC sense to run on it, and want consistent look to all phones, regardless who is the maker. Unless they come up with an amazing GUI and themes , they can forget about me having WM7. I am more than happy with WM6.5 and HTC sense..
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BigE said:
When all of us move to Android or stay with our HD2 another year at least, and many will buy the new iPhone, MS will realize what a fatal market research it is to force phone makers to a specific look (or buttons).
I am also reading they will not allow a layer of extra GUI like HTC sense to run on it, and want consistent look to all phones, regardless who is the maker. Unless they come up with an amazing GUI and themes , they can forget about me having WM7. I am more than happy with WM6.5 and HTC sense..
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I abhor statements like this from the above poster
MS will realize the error of their ways. SURPRISE! Several users that were once wm have already moved to android and apple since 2007. Hence the campaign to revitalize the operating system. Its already been happening and if you think it can get worse for microsoft mobile after announcing wp7 to which many have said it is impressive, you are deluding yourself.
Fact remains
Google looks like vomit before htc sense, people bought google in droves. Apple has shiny buttons, people bought it in droves. I fail to see your logic from an economic standpoint beyond baseless fanboyism (dont misunderstand I am a die hard windows mobile faithful as well). People somehow buy seemingly restricted crap because of how it is marketed. Time and time again this has been proven...
so what you don't buy wp7 device...and if 100 people buy it over you, no one is really going to care if you don't buy it =)

imauser said:
can u find the official microsoft statement and give s a link here??
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Are you kidding? The internet is full of official Microsoft statements. Just a simple Google search will very likely link you to all of those sites.

Max_Terrible said:
Are you kidding? The internet is full of official Microsoft statements. Just a simple Google search will very likely link you to all of those sites.
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actually u should read my post below this one..

imauser said:
actually u should read my post below this one..
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Sorry man. Sometimes I tend to just read posts and not check whom made the post. My bad

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Sorry man. Sometimes I tend to just read posts and not check whom made the post. My bad
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thats alright friend
but the thing is really frustrating that MS does this to its loyal clients..
plus they said they do it to offer a better experience of using WP7..this is dam ridicules..I mean alright..for better exp new phones based on WP7 should have only 3 buttons..but Y it should mean that sum recent WM 6.5 phone be out of game..
personally Im cool with WM..this is a great OS(especially on Leo)..the only problem..that we aint gettin no new content(the most important for me is decent games)..

I *think* i read somewhere that MS was going to use both OS's. 7 for the ooooo and aahhh factor and 6.5 for the more business oriented side of it because the 7 series supposedly won't run any application from the previous generation.
Waiting game.

yes, that IS what they SAID, but their actions proved otherwise IMHO when they removed smart-device development from VS2010.
This is like them saying "we still support windows XP for the business user but have decided to withdraw XP-compatible app development from all of our coding products"

So I'm curious. I keep hearing that Microsoft made the announcement that the HD2 won't be getting WP7 upgrades, but does that mean that xda developers can't hack the ROM to work with WP7? I guess my question is whether the HD2 meets the minimum system requirements of WP7. The ones that I saw only left a few things in question.
For example, I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?
Also, the WP7 requirements spoke of something like 8GB of a storage capacity, which even the US version only has 1GB. Does the MicroSD not count?

travis.garrison said:
So I'm curious. I keep hearing that Microsoft made the announcement that the HD2 won't be getting WP7 upgrades, but does that mean that xda developers can't hack the ROM to work with WP7? I guess my question is whether the HD2 meets the minimum system requirements of WP7. The ones that I saw only left a few things in question.
For example, I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?
Also, the WP7 requirements spoke of something like 8GB of a storage capacity, which even the US version only has 1GB. Does the MicroSD not count?
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Dun worry, the chefs at XDA are notorious for making ROMs not made for that particular device.

travis.garrison said:
I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?
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I don't know this 100% for sure, but AFAIK the screen on the HD2 is capable of true multi-touch, as in - as many fingers as you can fit on it. The reason it's only currently capable of 2 point touch is because there aren't drivers available to handle more. The drivers that are currently available were adapated from the HTC drivers, which don't handle full multi-touch - just 2 point touch.

you can donate for WP7 porting for HD2 if you want:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=684346

There is one definitive reason, and one stupid reason the HD 2 won't be getting Windows Phone 7.
And it won't get it, officially. If Da_G manages to do it (and I have full faith in him that if it's possible, he'll make it so), it'll still be buggy as hell.
The Stupid = Too many buttons.
Yeah, it's bad. But MS has made a commitment to be standardized across it's platform, and I can't knock that. That's a really good idea. And besides, HTC has shown time and time again that it would rather just release a new phone with upgraded software, than stick to a device and provide it regular updates.
The Realistic = No hardware scaler on the graphics board.
One of the key ways that the Xbox and the WinPhone7 are going to be able to play the same games is by utilitzing a hardware scaler instead of processing the resolution difference sperately. I doubt the HD2 has one of those.

wm6.1/6.5 on wp7 hardware????

Ive seen some new features of wp7 I like but its too locked down & I prefer being able to switch my ui etc etc. My tp2 recently died out on me. I want to get the latest hardware but with my current os in the same body/form of the tp2. I wondering if its possible & how many other users feel the same as I do.
Edit:for the ones that voted "no" do u still feel the same now after purchasing ur wp7 device?

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I'm just warning, next time there will be consequences

XaaR_ said:
Are you **** retar****?
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i'd ban you, if i were mod. people like you turned pda's into justphones for halfwits.
wm6.1/6.5 on wp7 hardware
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it could be possible seeing ZERO difference of incoming w7 crap hardware(just old stuff with new price, i mean). methods may be problem.
Do you want an wp7 device with wm6 os
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i voted yes thinking about OLD style pda with dpad, kbd and plenty of mem onboard and xscale cpu. just as it should be like. not just screen with 2 buttons for 600$+ AND fockin w7 crap. i do not need just a dumbphone, i need PDA with phone module, y'know.

pimppoet said:
Ive seen some new features of wp7 I like but its too locked down & I prefer being able to switch my ui etc etc. My tp2 recently died out on me. I want to get the latest hardware but with my current os in the same body/form of the tp2. I wondering if its possible & how many other users feel the same as I do.
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The HD2 had a WM6.1 ROM in development. Don't know what happened to it, but someone got WM6.1 working on the HD2. Since the new WP7 stuff is going to be similar in the hardware division, I'd say yes, there may be a slight chance of WM6.1 being made for WP7 phones.
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Are you f**** ret*****d?
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The question is, are YOU fu***g re******d? If you can't answer the damn question, don't even bother posting.

I can't seem to understand why you would want WM6.5/6.1 on a Newer device. OK, I can understand 6.5, but 6.1? Just go buy the HD2 if you want Winmo 6.5, if has the same specs as the launch WP7 devices.
---Also we won't know what's possible until WP7 releases and XDA jumps on it.

Personally, not really worth repeating the words that we do not correct .... it pollutes the forum.
Let's leave that he was having a bad day, come back later and think what he did, otherwise give holidays, for him.

My answer is yes too, I prefer the old-style WM6.1 OS with some new freshy hardware

surprisingly some people voted yes.
Let me ask this question:
Do you want a new laptop made in 2010 run Windows 98SE?

krjcook said:
I can't seem to understand why you would want WM6.5/6.1 on a Newer device. OK, I can understand 6.5, but 6.1? Just go buy the HD2 if you want Winmo 6.5, if has the same specs as the launch WP7 devices.
---Also we won't know what's possible until WP7 releases and XDA jumps on it.
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I want something of the same form as the tp2 as I stated in my original post...to go over all of the wp7 shortcomings would be beating a dead horse. Im not a super power user but my tp2 worked for what I needed it for even tho it was lagging at times. I no had to problems with wm6.1 except for afew quirks such as the unread text issue which was fixed by replacing the dll.

richteralan said:
surprisingly some people voted yes.
Let me ask this question:
Do you want a new laptop made in 2010 run Windows 98SE?
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I get what your saying but I can still do all of what I used 98 for with xp/7 such as change my background lol. I would be nice if I could dual boot wm6/7 or have an pro version of wp7 that fill my wm6 needs.

pimppoet said:
I get what your saying but I can still do all of what I used 98 for with xp/7 such as change my background lol. I would be nice if I could dual boot wm6/7 or have an pro version of wp7 that fill my wm6 needs.
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This is very interesting.
People they tend to learn very quickly about new things at one period of time, but then they become lazier and lazier and prefer to stay with "what they already known."
This mentality is very interesting and belive it or not, artists have the same problem, too.

Most of the "missing features" will come to WP7 shortly; most likely within a year. Copy and Paste is supposedly already being worked on for the next point release which may be out before the end of the year. Also, there's a relatively major update supposedly coming along with CDMA support in the "first half" of 2011.
For other things, XDA will unlock/add them, I have no doubt. Things like file system access will likely come quite quickly. I understand that many people want an "open" device from the factory but hacking your device is hacking your device. How many of you are running the stock ROM with no system mods? The difference in an unlocked/jailbroken/modded/cooked/whatever WP7 device will just gain a few more things that came out of the box for WM6. But unlike WM6, the platform is modern and rock solid. It's extremely fast and just an overall MUCH better experience. If you can use a WP7 device and not think the overall platform is better than 6.5, I'd be amazed. So if you're willing to void your warranty to flash a WM6.x rom, why not just go the other way and flash a modded WP7 rom that adds the "missing" features?
Another thing, WM6.1 is not designed for a capacitive display. 6.5 was updated a bit to allow it and with HTC Sense it works OK but 6.1 without sense will likely be unusable on a capacitive screen.
So all-in-all, the benefits of WP7 FAR outweigh the things we're "losing" in my opinion. Will I miss tethering, copy+paste, file system access, and multitasking? Of course. But I just don't think they're a big deal and I know most of that will be remedied rather quickly if you're willing to hack/mod your phone which is the whole point of this forum. So at the end of the day, it's a win/win. If you're uneasy about it, just wait a bit and we'll find out of my predictions are accurate. Then make the call.

RustyGrom said:
Most of the "missing features" will come to WP7 shortly; most likely within a year. Copy and Paste is supposedly already being worked on for the next point release which may be out before the end of the year. Also, there's a relatively major update supposedly coming along with CDMA support in the "first half" of 2011.
For other things, XDA will unlock/add them, I have no doubt. Things like file system access will likely come quite quickly. I understand that many people want an "open" device from the factory but hacking your device is hacking your device. How many of you are running the stock ROM with no system mods? The difference in an unlocked/jailbroken/modded/cooked/whatever WP7 device will just gain a few more things that came out of the box for WM6. But unlike WM6, the platform is modern and rock solid. It's extremely fast and just an overall MUCH better experience. If you can use a WP7 device and not think the overall platform is better than 6.5, I'd be amazed. So if you're willing to void your warranty to flash a WM6.x rom, why not just go the other way and flash a modded WP7 rom that adds the "missing" features?
Another thing, WM6.1 is not designed for a capacitive display. 6.5 was updated a bit to allow it and with HTC Sense it works OK but 6.1 without sense will likely be unusable on a capacitive screen.
So all-in-all, the benefits of WP7 FAR outweigh the things we're "losing" in my opinion. Will I miss tethering, copy+paste, file system access, and multitasking? Of course. But I just don't think they're a big deal and I know most of that will be remedied rather quickly if you're willing to hack/mod your phone which is the whole point of this forum. So at the end of the day, it's a win/win. If you're uneasy about it, just wait a bit and we'll find out of my predictions are accurate. Then make the call.
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It's not even the OS itself I don't like. It's that I-wanna-look-like-a-fake-iPhone interface thing.

rr5678 said:
It's not even the OS itself I don't like. It's that I-wanna-look-like-a-fake-iPhone interface thing.
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Ummm it doesn't look like an iPhone. You can make the claim that the platform is similar in that it's somewhat restricted but the UI is nothing like the iPhone. To say otherwise is patently false. If you don't like the UI, fine but don't try and use the excuse that it looks like the iPhone. Windows Mobile and Android look more like the iPhone and WP7 does.
Just in case you don't believe me, PocketNow did a comparison.

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Ummm it doesn't look like an iPhone. You can make the claim that the platform is similar in that it's somewhat restricted but the UI is nothing like the iPhone. To say otherwise is patently false. If you don't like the UI, fine but don't try and use the excuse that it looks like the iPhone. Windows Mobile and Android look more like the iPhone and WP7 does.
Just in case you don't believe me, PocketNow did a comparison.
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Uhhhh, if you don't notice the whole "I've got a load of icons" thing, I can't help you. I did not say it's a bloody exact replica, I said it's like a bad clone.

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Uhhhh, if you don't notice the whole "I've got a load of icons" thing, I can't help you. I did not say it's a bloody exact replica, I said it's like a bad clone.
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WP7 only has "icons" on the secondary app list.
WM6 has a very iPhone like listing of apps if you hit the windows/home button as does Android; much more so than WP7. What do you expect? At some point you're always going to have a list of applications. Should they just not use icons at all and have text only or something? Getting beyond the home screen, the entire UI design is different than Android and iPhone. There's no title bars, no frames, no drop shadows, no gradients. Here's an article (by an independent 3rd party) explaining how the WP7 UI is different than other OSes. Maybe you think it's a horrible copy because it's not a copy at all?
Like I said, if you don't like WP7's UI, fine, that's your prerogative. It's just a horribly inaccurate comparison.

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WP7 only has "icons" on the secondary app list.
WM6 has a very iPhone like listing of apps if you hit the windows/home button as does Android; much more so than WP7. What do you expect? At some point you're always going to have a list of applications. Should they just not use icons at all and have text only or something? Getting beyond the home screen, the entire UI design is different than Android and iPhone. There's no title bars, no frames, no drop shadows, no gradients. Here's an article (by an independent 3rd party) explaining how the WP7 UI is different than other OSes. Maybe you think it's a horrible copy because it's not a copy at all?
Like I said, if you don't like WP7's UI, fine, that's your prerogative. It's just a horribly inaccurate comparison.
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No. It is a near copy. It has the whole black background full of icons thing. And if you look, it's basically a near information-less screen just like the iPhone.
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I expect Microsoft to be original just like they have with WM6.1 and WM6.5

i think that if we a got a wp7 device and put 6.1 or 6.5 maybee 6.5.x just think of the speed of the thing !!!!!!!

kevmass said:
i think that if we a got a wp7 device and put 6.1 or 6.5 maybee 6.5.x just think of the speed of the thing !!!!!!!
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I know. That's why I fully support this idea.

rr5678 said:
No. It is a near copy. It has the whole black background full of icons thing. And if you look, it's basically a near information-less screen just like the iPhone.
I expect Microsoft to be original just like they have with WM6.1 and WM6.5
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Uhhhh wow... you're reeallllyy reaching. If you're gonna say it's a copy of iPhone then you could just say it's a copy of WM.

XDAsite: Please Stop Using the Word "FORA"- It's Ridiculous, Forced, NON-User-Centric

XDAsite: Please Stop Using the Word "FORA"- It's Ridiculous, Forced, NON-User-Centric
I just saw the post on the Portal Page reminding people about some rules of the site. That was good. However, in the midst of that good message was nomenclature that needs to be retired because it has long since fallen out of common usage all over the world. Please -- The site has finally modernized, can we please kick to the curb the silly, academic use of the word "FORA" and get real?
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Following in my grand tradition of my occasional ridiculous commentry at XDA, let me add this one:
In high school growing up, I tool two years of Latin language, so I am perfectly clear about the tecnically correct singular form of the word FORUM and the technically correct pluralized form of this LATIN term, FORA. Let me just add that I think it is patently ridiculous for anyone in the year 2010 to continue to buck the trend of ordinary people who have rejected that academic technicality long ago, and to just call it what it is: FORUMS.
Nobody but ridiculous academics uses the term FORA... Honestly, just think about it... It sounds more like the friendly bacterial flora in your digestive track that help break down foods and prevent you from having flatulence -- than it sounds like the natural sound for "our mutliple forums".
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Must we use such academic terms?
The whole point of "TOUCHSCREENS 2.0" -- was to bow to the USABILITY DESIGN principles of user-centric design. XDA-developers.com would still be using its old forum design, would still be rejecting Samsung, would still be rejecting Motorola, and Sony Erricson, and lastly would still be rejecting the iphone, if it maintained its head-in-the-sand approach of "we are who we are, if you want to play in our backyard, shut up, read the rules, read the FAQa, don't ask stupid questiosn, and wait a year before ever posting" -- which is the mentality that such regimented thinking like "Fora" comes from, in my view.
But wisely, the new site owners saw, correctly, the SEA-CHANGE of the industry that began when the iPhone's unquestionably superior FINGER-NAVIGABLE touchscreen interface put WM's tired old little 6-point checkbox interface you need to hit with a stylus to shame --- transforming the industry overnight. Sure, we could rightly complain about the lockdown system of the iphone and all it lacked -- a LOT -- and focus and hail the openness of WM and its accessibilty to DEVS to create the magic XDA-developers built its reputation on... But the fact is, the iPhone WOKE UP the industry -- and not a moment too soon.
It was RIDICULOUS to have to have the WM phone 6-8 inches away and have a stylus chained to your device in order to place a phone call or add a contact. HTC took cues immediately and for the next few years SAVED Microsoft's sweet ass by introducing TOUCH-FLO and doing all the UI layer changes that Microsoft (dumbass Ballmer) stubbornly refused to do because they were so ****-sure they were the leaders and no one could dethrone them.
Yeah. Until they were dethroned. Then they lost two whole years of selling as they faded from marketplace relevance. And I'm suggesting that that is what obsolescent and calcified thinking PRODUCES. Just carrying on old thinking processes because -- either (a) we've always done it that way, or (b) "we know best, we're in charge". Both are wrong and lead to consumer revolt.
Let's drop this ridiculous "FORA" usage. No one in the mainstream uses it, because it's ridiculous. Sure, you can find it at http://FORA.tv -- a fantastic service -- but that's their BRAND name, it's not their nomenclature for their forum structure. Say what you will, call them dumb, cal them uneducated, big deal: but the international consumer marketplace doesn't care one bit about Latin plurality rules. Nor should you, nor should we. Give it up and join the 21st century, please.
THE REST OF THE XDA SITE HAS. They modernized. They finally took queus from the world that had been passing them buy -- and modernized -- and in a short time -- way less than a year -- completely upgraded XDA with a smart portal news page, tied to twitter, etc. (great job svetius and writing team!)
And so to cling to that bygone era artifact seems silly. Dump it, and just get practical please. It's user-centric design. Users hate fora. Fora is silly. They use the word Forums. So should this site.
Thank you for your consideration!
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Wow, you seriously got some spare time. I've rarely seen such a long explanation and deliberation for such a simple and easy concern.

Becksman said:
Wow, you seriously got some spare time. I've rarely seen such a long explanation and deliberation for such a simple and easy concern.
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Yeah, and your point is what?
My profession is Usability design -- so it';s my profession -- not my spare time.
The difference between most people is this:
I have no interest in simply registering an opinion. That's what 99% of the world does in 140 twitter culture. I'm a chnage agent, That means if I take the time to write, it means I want it changed, I'm not merely flapping my gums.
Thanks for playing though.

Why does it matter how people want to refer to it? Stop caring.
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Zeinzu said:
Why does it matter how people want to refer to it? Stop caring.
Sent from my Epic 4g
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I second this.
I'm Brazilian, and "fora" means "out" for me =P
I guess all Internet users are used to the term "forums". In addition, in Portuguese, the plural of "fórum" (forum in English) is "fóruns" (we only use "m" before "p" or "b")

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Yeah, and your point is what?
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My point was, that you spend a lot of time cross-referencing to other areas where "progress" was made and the game changed, instead of focussing on reasons why the word "fora" is so "ridiculous, forced and NON-user-centric". I missed the development of the wheel though.
I get your point but I think you're way overexaggerating. Windows mobile would not have lost its market lead to the iPhone (or to Android now) if the only difference would have been the word "fora" on one device's display and "forums" on the others.
Cheers
(Now off to games and ringtones fora)

Holy Sh.. that's some free time o.0
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Hi quicksite,
I just finished going over your opening post and truth be told, I see no problem whatsoever with the use of that term. Does it matter that the term is old? A big part of the English language has, as you correctly pointed out, Latin roots, which are old in the first place. The word is perfectly valid as it is, according to the following sites:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fora
http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_us1248326#m_en_us1248326
http://www.britannica.com/bps/dictionary?query=fora
By contrast, your example was pulled out of Wikipedia. Truth be told, if I knew that the term was invalid or outdated, I would have edited the article before it was published. However, this is not the case. It isn't a matter of being old fashioned, conservative, reluctant to change, or anything like that. My writer used a term, which is accepted by all three world standards of the English language (above), and as such I have no problem with that. Likewise, if my writer would have used the word "forums", I would have still accepted it because it is also an acceptable term. Some people may not like the sound of it as you claim, but likewise, you will have people who think that the use of the word forums is not right, or simply doesn't sound right.
As far as your example of "Juiz de Fora", I am sorry but I fail to see how that is relevant to anything. The term is in Portuguese and it is the name of a city. As the member before me pointed out, the term fora means "outside" in Portuguese, but considering that the term we are looking at is in English, it is completely irrelevant.
Last but not least, the whole "iPhone revolutionizing the world" argument... not sure why you used that example as it is a little far fetched (conveys your point, but there are better analogies).
Please don't take this as an attack or anything like that. I am in charge of anything that goes in the Portal (as I edit every article), and because of that, I thought it would be best for me to explain this.

+1 on this ez
egzthunder1 said:
Hi quicksite,
I just finished going over your opening post and truth be told, I see no problem whatsoever with the use of that term. Does it matter that the term is old? A big part of the English language has, as you correctly pointed out, Latin roots, which are old in the first place. The word is perfectly valid as it is, according to the following sites:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fora
http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_us1248326#m_en_us1248326
http://www.britannica.com/bps/dictionary?query=fora
By contrast, your example was pulled out of Wikipedia. Truth be told, if I knew that the term was invalid or outdated, I would have edited the article before it was published. However, this is not the case. It isn't a matter of being old fashioned, conservative, reluctant to change, or anything like that. My writer used a term, which is accepted by all three world standards of the English language (above), and as such I have no problem with that. Likewise, if my writer would have used the word "forums", I would have still accepted it because it is also an acceptable term. Some people may not like the sound of it as you claim, but likewise, you will have people who think that the use of the word forums is not right, or simply doesn't sound right.
As far as your example of "Juiz de Fora", I am sorry but I fail to see how that is relevant to anything. The term is in Portuguese and it is the name of a city. As the member before me pointed out, the term fora means "outside" in Portuguese, but considering that the term we are looking at is in English, it is completely irrelevant.
Last but not least, the whole "iPhone revolutionizing the world" argument... not sure why you used that example as it is a little far fetched (conveys your point, but there are better analogies).
Please don't take this as an attack or anything like that. I am in charge of anything that goes in the Portal (as I edit every article), and because of that, I thought it would be best for me to explain this.
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I almost forgot to add this. Under your arguments, words and expressions like laughing or "I will be back shortly" would be replaced by LOL and BRB, simply because they are more mainstream. Soon after that, you would have people asking for "cheezeburgerz".

Lol have to agree with Ez.
I'd put this down to too much time on your hands... maybe could be put to better use since XDA is a *development* Fora

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Holy Sh.. that's some free time o.0
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As usual, all respondents are 2009/2010 -- have almost no sense of XDA culture other than gimme gimme gimme now, 140 tapatalk gotta go, life on the run
send from my implant device

Captainkrtek said:
Last but not least, the whole "iPhone revolutionizing the world" argument... not sure why you used that example as it is a little far fetched (conveys your point, but there are better analogies).
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Actually it makes perfect sense for those not "on the run with 140 character-count lifedrives"
Quite simply: XDA-devs was founded upon an HTC phone running WM; WM was the prevailing OS for long time; the bulk of the work here for years was focused on things like hard spl and getting hardware and software to do things never intended by the manufacturer -- which made the site great, gave it its reputation, and things churned along. ... Then the iphone came and changed a paradigm. A lot of resistence felt here on this site to the very idea of the iphone, but its influence was undeniable. It was fought and ignored tooth and nail by Ballmer and his old school thinkers tied to the past. Until they were swept in the destbin of history and a new model swept the world with finger-driven interfaces, hardware changes + OTA app store concept which overnight made -- for the mainstream, not the tinkerers at XDA -- WM 6.1 and 6.5 an obsolete concept for app-dev ...
The whole industry shifted around this new model -- and eventually that gravitational force was so strong even old fashioned "We liked out yellow skin" XDA-devs stepped up to the plate, threw out the old, and joined the new --- with a new front page way closer to engadget than old XDA would even have ever dreamed of allowing.
There is nothing obtuse about that analogy at al except for someone purposely being obtuse. It means -- dropping old relics and getting with the times. Nobody is saying "the word isn;t used in the english langauge" -- did I say that? No. I say mainstream. Just as XDA-devs has clearly revamped to appeal more to mainstream and if you doubt that, go have a coffee or beer with svetius, or take a look at that sister site.
I'm not looking for a fight either. I'm just making a strong advocacy point, and i don't like ha;lf-stepping it. There are always going to be little peanut gallery voices who have generally nothing to add other than mockery like "hah hah too much time on hands" like that really refutes or affirms anything. Might as well not post at all. These are just general forums after all . Look how silly it would look if I had said. These are just general fora afterall. People can post what they like.
But it seems rather juvenile and meaningless to bother to post to a thread where you have nothing to add... If anyone has too much time on their hands its someone who posts absolutely nothing of any value, just dittos, and more dittos, just tapping away from tapatalk, because it's so important you see to comment on how stupid the whole topic is. because then you see how smart they are and how ridiculous the poster is.
I think you're pretty silly to post about something you find a waste of time. They do studies about people like that.
But finally, regarding editorial style guides, Okay, I'm all for that. Then would you please, as of today, help make the site editorially consistent, applying your style guide: Here are some places you can start. Oh, it's the portal page, well that's easy, it's under your domain! Happy trails one and all !

Stirring Up ****e!
quicksite said:
As usual, all respondents are 2009/2010 -- have almost no sense of XDA culture other than gimme gimme gimme now, 140 tapatalk gotta go, life on the run
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Help me with your logic. You mention mainstream and getting with the times, but you also reference culture in a way that would indicate a reverence of past times. You also appear to loathe or hold some angst against the internet community (or people in general) in its present state by your usage of "140 tapatalk gotta go" as if people today do not get it or do not care.
Would we be better served keeping with the times or holding on to our history? On one hand you indicate the former, ("dropping old relics and getting with the times"), yet on the other you cling to the latter ("makes perfect sense for those not on the run with 140 character-count lifedrives" ).
I use forums, but I also accept the use of the word fora. One must always consider audience when speaking or (in this case) writing, so whomever the author considered when composing dictated his or her usage of the particular word currently debated.
Honestly, I do not understand your point. If either usage were incorrect, perhaps I could agree with your stance. Unfortunately, both ARE correct, and as such render your opinion moot. You are still entitled it, however pointless it may be.
-Internet Tough Guy
P.S. Let us be honest. Your iPhone argument is completely illogical. Some (see most) would consider it a logical fallacy. While I can see where you intended to relate your point, it was under served by your misuse of analogy. Also, forum registration date is not indicative of knowledge, experience, or expertise with xda, its history, or its culture (whether past, present, or future).
Wait a minute... Did I just get trolled? Doh.

quicksite said:
Actually it makes perfect sense for those not "on the run with 140 character-count lifedrives"
Quite simply: XDA-devs was founded upon an HTC phone running WM; WM was the prevailing OS for long time; the bulk of the work here for years was focused on things like hard spl and getting hardware and software to do things never intended by the manufacturer -- which made the site great, gave it its reputation, and things churned along. ... Then the iphone came and changed a paradigm. A lot of resistence felt here on this site to the very idea of the iphone, but its influence was undeniable. It was fought and ignored tooth and nail by Ballmer and his old school thinkers tied to the past. Until they were swept in the destbin of history and a new model swept the world with finger-driven interfaces, hardware changes + OTA app store concept which overnight made -- for the mainstream, not the tinkerers at XDA -- WM 6.1 and 6.5 an obsolete concept for app-dev ...
The whole industry shifted around this new model -- and eventually that gravitational force was so strong even old fashioned "We liked out yellow skin" XDA-devs stepped up to the plate, threw out the old, and joined the new --- with a new front page way closer to engadget than old XDA would even have ever dreamed of allowing.
There is nothing obtuse about that analogy at al except for someone purposely being obtuse. It means -- dropping old relics and getting with the times. Nobody is saying "the word isn;t used in the english langauge" -- did I say that? No. I say mainstream. Just as XDA-devs has clearly revamped to appeal more to mainstream and if you doubt that, go have a coffee or beer with svetius, or take a look at that sister site.
I'm not looking for a fight either. I'm just making a strong advocacy point, and i don't like ha;lf-stepping it. There are always going to be little peanut gallery voices who have generally nothing to add other than mockery like "hah hah too much time on hands" like that really refutes or affirms anything. Might as well not post at all. These are just general forums after all . Look how silly it would look if I had said. These are just general fora afterall. People can post what they like.
But it seems rather juvenile and meaningless to bother to post to a thread where you have nothing to add... If anyone has too much time on their hands its someone who posts absolutely nothing of any value, just dittos, and more dittos, just tapping away from tapatalk, because it's so important you see to comment on how stupid the whole topic is. because then you see how smart they are and how ridiculous the poster is.
I think you're pretty silly to post about something you find a waste of time. They do studies about people like that.
But finally, regarding editorial style guides, Okay, I'm all for that. Then would you please, as of today, help make the site editorially consistent, applying your style guide: Here are some places you can start. Oh, it's the portal page, well that's easy, it's under your domain! Happy trails one and all !
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You are quoting the wrong person altogether. It wasn't Captainkrtek who said that you could have used a better analogy, it was me. If you would read the whole statement, you would have read that I didn't say that your analogy was wrong. I said it was a long stretch, but never said it was wrong.
Also, I never said that "Forums" was wrong either. What I did say was that "Fora" is a properly used term, and perfectly acceptable from where I stand. There is nothing wrong with using it interchangeably, so as both of these terms are acceptable, I will carry on as I was doing before reading your suggestion.
Finally, the join date has nothing to do with the replies you are getting. I am over 2 years your senior membership-wise, and while my replies are a bit more consistent than a simple "you are wasting your time", I will agree that you put a tremendous amount of effort on something that is not needed.
I am open to suggestions and discussions on things that will improve the Portal. I have never seen or heard of anyone complaining about this in my 5+ years of being a member in multiple fora (not just XDA, but many others as well). So, as this is not a crucial change or anything that will affect the usability or functionality of the site, I will take no action towards this. Thank you for the suggestion.

Man the people who frequent the fora here.
It seems their flavourite thing to do sometimes is to analyse the colour of the language in an effort to honourably be at the centre of the arguement. Its the internet, people use different language programme than others.

Wow, what an article. I must say though that I disagree with you. Just because it's the newest item doesn't mean it's what we should go with.
The english language (here in America) is becoming ridiculous to an extreme. To use a term like lol or brb is one thing but when people start typing phrases like 'lol @ u plz hlp me i peez my pnts' all I can say is WTF?? Or when people can't get it through their heads that '@' does not mean 'and' there's a symbol for that - &.
Some businesses are starting to do that stuff "OMG Huge sale, Stp by 2day" and various other forms. Is this what our society is coming to? Do I need to go buy a cypher just to decode teenybopper messages that are as insignificant as the brown thing I left in my toilet last night?
@quicksite lk omg wtf is fora
@fadman i dont nozzz o god hlp mezz plzzzz :.((
If you want to change something why not change the stupefaction of an entire language instead of promoting the expedition of it.

Don't you have people better things to do, rather than complaining about word 'fora' ? It's bad, yeah, but many here can't write or spell correctly.

Are you trying to get at the fact that you don't like the word "fora" instead of forums or forum?
If so, then you are the only person and the only thing i have read on this FORUM that has called this a "fora" or used the term "fora".
According to my mum, "fora" is a plural of "forum"
It can be applied like this:
"There are many different kinds of fora on the internet."
Or
"There are many different kinds of forums on the internet."
You can use either "fora" or "forum".
If the usage of the word "fora" instead of "forum" or "forums" annoys you, well that's just tough sh*t!
You can use either word and people can choose which on they want to use.
So there you go.
And i do have too much time on my hands
BTW: Its free will, people can say which ever word, and you can't change that.
So if your trying to, you have just failed.
BTW2: Someone should close this thread before a flame war starts.

Back in the old days...

Things were much more peaceful around here before we got so gosh-darned popular. Becoming the go-to place for mobile hacking, I suppose, has that effect on forums. We've gone from a rag-tag bunch of legacy Windows Mobile enthusiasts to a lean, mean, and sometimes green group of Android hackers. While our members, moderators, administrators, developers, and posting styles have certainly changed; we have remained focused on only one thing--mobile hacking and development.
But for now, let's take a step back and remember what XDA was like back in 2003, when Windows Mobile was still cutting edge and the O2 XDA was only a few months old. Back then, fights never broke out and people generally respected their fellow forum members. At the time, we weren't just a place for users to come and get a "Kewl bit of kit." Rather we were focused on the joys of development instead of solely caring about the end product. We specialized in development, not troubleshooting. For better or for worse, however, the explosion of Android brought a sea of new people to XDA, many coming from more diverse walks of life than we could have ever imagined. This has lead to some inevitable butting of heads. Who could have imagined how things would change in the 7 years and three months from this posting date to when I became a registered member on these forums. This isn't to say that we won't try our hardest to help you out if you're having a hard time installing a ROM, kernel, mod or theme. However, we need to make sure that this in no way hinders development.
Luckily, there's nothing saying that we can't (and won't) bring back the same ethos we had in the early development days. As our master-in-chief Svetius recently stated, there will be some changes in the coming months meant to bring us back to a more development-focused environment. I think this is exactly what we need. For better or for worse, XDA has changed quite significantly throughout the ages. However, one thing remains true: We are all here in the pursuit of mobile hackery. XDA for life! Actually, no. XDA IS life!
Now, all of you disrespectful newbies, get off my lawn before I get angry.
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I agree. I wonder if many of the people who are demanding that we be a technical support forum realize what our address is. We are xda-DEVELOPERS.com not xda-troubleshooters.com. So our main focus is Development for our phones. If someone shows effort, respect and we have time we may answer a troubleshooting question. However, please note that typing such a request in all Caps, poorly constructed sentences, or repeatedly will only serve to make you look like a fool. Then, instead of getting help, you will get ridiculed. So please realize that we owe you nothing. Unless you have developed something and shared it with the community, then we owe you our gratitude and respect. I know that if you treat me with respect I will give you mine.

Many, many moons ago a group of individuals got together to see about developing fun stuff for their phones and come up with was of hacking them just for the fun of it…..great times, those were (in Yoda’s voice).
There were only a handful of devices that were actually worth a crap when it came to productivity and reliability.
One of them was my Sony Ericsson T610 which offered an array of features only seen on SiFi novels (I know I’m exaggerating but anywho..). Just imagine…Bluetooth and IR receiver in one device It was unheard of!!
Back then there were no kanging fights between developers. The biggest problem we had was to Hard SPL the Wallaby
I also remember having to rig a cable in order to download my first ROM in to my HP iPAQ 500 and Android was something that I had only seen in black and white movies where invaders would try and destroy humanity! Those were the days!
Those were the days and sadly they seem to be gone. Now days is more about who kangs who, trying to destroy noobs and attempting to make XDA into some kind of satiric, disgusting and unruly place when in all reality this was is and needs to remain a place where great minds get together to exchange ideas and create apps, mods and hacks that make our devices more powerful and efficient than any manufacturer cold ever do.
As we go back in time lets try and imagine a website where solidarity and comradery exist, where one can feel free to ask a simple question with out someone else popping out a meme mocking them while trying to flame them in ways that only the Spanish inquisition could do!!
Mates and fellow Mods….this is not the XDA that was envision back in those days….but is not too late…It’s “NEVER” to late to correct our ways and make XDA the best forum in the world!!
A great man once said, and I quote: “all I wanna do is a zoom zoom and a boom boom” and you know what….he was right!! I just want to zoom, zoom and a boom, boom also.
Cheers and may the force be with you……..
M_T_M

Wooooo Hooo i got space, just what i needed
Many moons ago purchased an Orange SPV C500 and on searching how to make the device better "PIMPED" XDA a place for people with common interests, many friends met along the way, mind you that was the days of WM where people appreciated what they where provided........... Now every minor with a gun got a smartphone welcome to the present a place where people seem to think they have a view they can shout out and be verbal against many outstanding members of the community!!! Think i preferred just dealing with SPAM.
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M_T_M just noticed u start same

!I HAZ DONE BRICKED MY BRICK!
!ZOMG! PLZ HELP DIS FOOL!

Ahh, the days of the Qtek9100 were good. Faria, Bepe, pof...man what a crew! I'll write more later, but wow, what a time to reflect!

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!I HAZ DONE BRICKED MY BRICK!
!ZOMG! PLZ HELP DIS FOOL!
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You, my good friend, win at XDA and teh internatz.

Post good memories you have about your beginnings on this site...we want to hear them

My first time here
I first came to XDA after getting my first PDA as a gift. It was a (HTC made) HP iPAQ 1945. It was my first time using a WM device ever. I was wowed by the ability to take any of my documents with me and to be able to beam them wirelessly via infrared or BT. It wasn't long before the interface left me waning more, however. I searched around and found some decent themes on XDA. This was around late 2004 or early 2005 as I recall.
I began reading up on all the cool mods and tweaks that this site had to offer for the platform. I came in every now and then for a while until I finally registered for an account in March of 2005. About a year after that, I ended up replacing my old bar phone with another iPAQ, this time, the cellular service-enabled HP iPAQ hw6945.
It had everything I wanted. It had a decent processor, a small amount of user upgradable RAM (if you have decent soldering skills), an amazing keyboard, and several other wireless services like cellular, WiFi, BT, and GPS. The downsides to the phone were it's enormous girth and its relatively crappy screen. It was a rather large, square 3" screen sporting a terrible 240x240 resolution. Even now, I still play with it every now and then and wish HTC/HP had gone with a nicer 480x480 screen.
I kept this device for several years, since, back then, you didn't HAVE to upgrade your phone every year to keep up with the times. WM devices were good for the consumer in that they were long lasting. It wasn't until 2010, almost four years later, that I finally got a Rhodium to replace my iPAQ. I simply fell in love with the keyboard, as nearly all Rhodium owners will tell you. I then came back to XDA to learn more about it. I decided to change my username for the third time and make it something less specific to the device I had at the time. That's how I came about with this name.
My Rhodium was plagued by problems of software that was not properly designed to run on such a low powered device. It ended up being pretty slow after a while, and HTC Messaging client didn't help much either. I went from my iPAQ, which booted completely in just under 15 seconds, to my Rhodium, which took a whopping 150 seconds (2.5 minutes) to boot into a usable state. I know there were several mitigating factors to attribute this with, but it was still a PITA.
I finally decided to flash my first custom ROM after reading about it for a couple of weeks. I picked NRGZ28's Energy ROM in the regular Energy flavor. I did that a few times, and soon realized that I was developing ORD. I played around with all of his different themes. I learned how to properly backup my device, and restore it. I learned how much I had fallen in love with the GTX theme. I even found the perfect radio for me in my area. It was a wonderful time for me.
The best part was that now I could actually assist users here on this site. Before then, I didn't have the knowledge to assist in much. Now, I had my business and education to propel me into this service along with the valuable information I gained from this site. I continued showing others "the light" for a while, and finally decided to give the Leo a try after having to replace my Rhodium so often do to sliding keyboard issues.
I use my Leo almost everyday now. The horse power is plenty enough to keep it moving in this increasingly hardware driven market. It runs nearly a dozen different operating systems. It blazes through most of the computing tasks I give it, and doesn't even blink at any program or app I throw its way. However, it isn't without flaws. The sound quality is severely lacking, as is the call quality. A lack of keyboard hurts, but Swype is a decent compromise. The battery life is nowhere near the two days I used to get from my Rhodium, but it gets me through the day, at least. I've just learned to always have a spare battery on hand, just in case.
That's my story here. What's yours?

I first came to XDA trying to root my Epic. Since then I have abused the firmware in any way I can trying to learn how things are done. I've had my epic since January and since then I have rooted, installed custom ROMs/Kernels and even Linux Ubuntu/Backtrack on my phone. This may very well be the best website ever.

I came to XDA about a year ago to root my incredible and put some custom roms on my phone.
It is a shame that the devs I that were in the Inc a year ago have left. Ihtfp, heyitslou, RMK...
While operation iron fist is a good 1st step, the Inc section has turned into the wild west with little mod intervention.
The reason I am posting this... the OP came in and modded some threads while on point, I felt was disrespectful to the spirit and users emotions over a percieved injustice to one of OUR devs. While this post may be greeted with disdain and hate, the fact remains XDAs problems are greater than the users.
Peace
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App

I came to XDA after getting an HTC Hero CDMA for free. I hated Sense, and Sprint/HTC dropped the Hero support FAST leaving us with stale software.
I was amazed at the knowledage here, but was always afraid to register because everyone seemed to know what they were doing and I didn't want to be "that noob" that everyone seems to dread. So I was a lurker. I'd download ROMs, but never provide feedback or ask questions. I'd read, get used to Android terminology, etc. With solid computer knowledge under my belt I could fix most simple issues or figure it out myself.
Then things changed somewhat and the place became 4chan. I kept myself from registering yet again. Sometime early 2011 I had to visit my companies main office in Switzerland. I was away from XDA and my HTC EVO (sold my HeroC). I came back about two weeks ago and finally got settled in. I saw the IRON FIST posting the other day and for the first time I felt comfortable posting and being a member. I've learned alot and feel that I can help out and hopefully shake out some lurkers and get them to register and help as well.
Lurkers unite.

nihontako said:
I came to XDA after getting an HTC Hero CDMA for free. I hated Sense, and Sprint/HTC dropped the Hero support FAST leaving us with stale software.
I was amazed at the knowledage here, but was always afraid to register because everyone seemed to know what they were doing and I didn't want to be "that noob" that everyone seems to dread. So I was a lurker. I'd download ROMs, but never provide feedback or ask questions. I'd read, get used to Android terminology, etc. With solid computer knowledge under my belt I could fix most simple issues or figure it out myself.
Then things changed somewhat and the place became 4chan. I kept myself from registering yet again. Sometime early 2011 I had to visit my companies main office in Switzerland. I was away from XDA and my HTC EVO (sold my HeroC). I came back about two weeks ago and finally got settled in. I saw the IRON FIST posting the other day and for the first time I felt comfortable posting and being a member. I've learned alot and feel that I can help out and hopefully shake out some lurkers and get them to register and help as well.
Lurkers unite.
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It would just be nice if more newer users shared your point of view. Glad to have you with us now.

I have also been a "lurker" following development threads for my phone. I have downloaded R0Ms and have reached a stage where I feel I can make some useful contribution. However, I am stuck with the minimum 10-posting rule

I first found XDA a long time before i actually signed up , was a lurker for a long time, just browsing and viewing threads getting tips etc, only joined in 2009 i think it was when i got my touch diamond and became hooked the people were friendly and help full, then i progressed on to the HD2 and it was all great until prob last summer and i just got fed up of this place, it turned into a n00b fest ok fine everyone has to start somewhere, we all do, but everyone in that section just turned into complete ass hats including my self because day after day countless threads of "help" "did i brick my device" nobody reads any more,I will admit i did it the first day i got my hd2 i messed up real bad from not reading.
But this site is just getting worse now threads being closed people calling hell outta each other, ill even admit i have been a twat today for someone asking how to back up there contacts on android, (sorry just cut your hands off).
The site used to be great used to be a place were you could pop along find something you need and read and learn from it, now even the xda search feature is a waste of time. You cant find the info you need any more unless you no where to look,
Recently got myself the SGS2 (amazing device) gotta say the most miserable unhelpful twats ive ever come across in a device section, I dont no maybe there all just bored of the same thing in and out but most dont have that many posts and are *****ing at each other, then you come across chainfire that guy is a frigging genius he gets so many reply to his cf-root thread im surprised he can keep up its crazy and he gives no trouble, then look at Hacre who created the Ninphetamine kernel for the sgs2 post 5 i will admit is the FUNNIEST thing i have ever read in my life but he makes the whole point about what is happening to this site, its getting worse everyday.
I used to love this site for the way people helped and im not the greatest but i did my fair share of helping in the hd2 section and now i just cba to visit the forum because of the way people get treated, yeah im just one member that dont care any more and i no it doesn't make a difference to the website because it has so many members but thats my problem it seems there is no respect for anyone on here any more.
just my two cents

Um, I discovered XDA in August 2010 trying to find a way to improve my Wildfire. Before I joined (registered), I did a lot of reading and I discovered true charms of Android. Since then I'm every-day visitor, not a developer, just a user though... But I'm proud because I'm a member in a community like XDA is. Not to forget, I got some knowledge about mobile OS' (Android and WM) over the months so I'm contributing the community by helping people. XDA for the win!
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I didnt have a clue it was so old.......although I do seem to remember browsing through it whilst looking for Symbian hacks and such.

willverduzco said:
You, my good friend, win at XDA and teh internatz.
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Ok willverduzco I'm gonna call you out!
You respond to a thread where the last reply date is 31st March 2003, 07:25 AM....... 2003! (that's 8 and a half years old btw) In a thread about the good old days, you sir are a ether a master troll, a wizard mod changing dates all over here or i'm going mad
I'm not fussed which one, hats off to you.

Bring the deads back
How come you signed in 2008 and this post is from 2003
JimmyMcGee said:
I agree. I wonder if many of the people who are demanding that we be a technical support forum realize what our address is. We are xda-DEVELOPERS.com not xda-troubleshooters.com. So our main focus is Development for our phones. If someone shows effort, respect and we have time we may answer a troubleshooting question. However, please note that typing such a request in all Caps, poorly constructed sentences, or repeatedly will only serve to make you look like a fool. Then, instead of getting help, you will get ridiculed. So please realize that we owe you nothing. Unless you have developed something and shared it with the community, then we owe you our gratitude and respect. I know that if you treat me with respect I will give you mine.
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orb3000 said:
How come you signed in 2008 and this post is from 2003
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Senior mods and up have magical powers. Look at my original post!
mynamesteve said:
Ok willverduzco I'm gonna call you out!
You respond to a thread where the last reply date is 31st March 2003, 07:25 AM....... 2003! (that's 8 and a half years old btw) In a thread about the good old days, you sir are a ether a master troll, a wizard mod changing dates all over here or i'm going mad
I'm not fussed which one, hats off to you.
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Why thank you sir. Looking at the my OP date, who says it's not all of the above.
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Rant about Marketplace

To start, I'm sure this thread will elicit some angry responses. I'm fine with that, because everybody is entitled to their opinion, which is completely acceptable. All I am asking, is that you don't swear, call names, or get too crazy about it. Now on with my rant...
I find it utterly shocking as to the lack of respect certain members have in regards to the rules concerning marketplace. The rules are pretty cut and dry, yet time and again, there are those who simply don't care about them. These are the same people who whine and complain when their threads are closed. What is so difficult about following a few simple rules? This isn't rocket science people; follow the rules, or face the consequences!
-Selling/ trading phones you do not yet own, or are not yet in your posession:
Do I really need to explain the problem with this? If you don't have the phone in your posession, its not yours to sell/trade, and you have no business posting threads, or making deals with anybody. I can count on a hudred hands, where people got themselves (and others), into trouble doing this. Complete and total stupidity.
-Feeler threads:
I don't get this concept...whats the point? Either you want to sell/trade your item, or you don't. Seems to me like "feeler" threads are created by people who are hoping to get a windfall for their phone. I could be wrong, but that's how I perceive this. Example: Someone is hoping to get a Note for a crappy iPhone 4. Either you want to sell/trade your phone, or you don't. Just post your thread, and accept or deny the offers until you find one that suits you.
-Posting pictures:
I see a lot of people create a thread without including pictures right away, saying " I didn't have time to include them, or they were at work and couldn't post them right away". Don't create a thread if you can't do it properly. What is so freaking difficult about that??
-Selling/trading non cell phone related items:
Here is yet another cut and dry rule. If your item is not a phone, or an item that directly relates to a phone, you have no business listing it. A PSP, PS3, XBOX, Blow up doll, etc., are not in any way, related to a phone. Including these items as part of a package deal of a cell phone, does not qualify. Cases, headohones, sd cards, screen protectors, are examples of phone related items.
-Selling/trading phones with bad esns:
I've lost count as to how many threads I've seen, where people try selling blacklisted phones. One reason why XDA prohibits this, is the chance of the phone being stolen.
-Using a middle man:
This has to be the worse of them all. Why anybody would allow another member to use their eBay or Paypal accounts is beyond me. I can't wrap my head around this concept. O understand that some of you know each other on XDA, and have developed relationships with each other, but at the end of the day, it's XDA, so you can only go by what people tell you. If someone is asking to use your eBay or Paypal account to conduct business, its most likely because they screwed up their own accounts, and are blocked from opening another one. But they do it anyways, because the people asking are "trustworthy" and have solid feedback. This is almost always the case, yet most of the time, it ends badly. I've seen "trusted" members with perfect feedback involved in a scam, leaving the poor guy to fend for himself, cleaning up the mess. Think it through folks! You worked hard to build up your reputation, don't screw it up by letting someone you don't really know, use your accounts. Its not worth the risk.
When reminded about the rules, I've seen the excuse "sorry, I didn't know it was a rule"...You would have known, had you taken 10 minutes to read them!
The marketplace is under heavy scrutiny, and on the verge of being shut down for good, because people can't seem to follow SIMPLE rules. YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL. The rules apple to everybody. The rule breakers are the very same people who whine and complain about these rules, and get upset when their threads get locked or their accounts get suspended. Marketplace is a priveledge, not a right. If you don't like it, go to Craigslist, but don't be selfish, and screw it up for the honest people who are resoectful.
Another thing that really blows my mind is how people who are proven scammers are still allowed to use Marketplace. I've seen so many "scam alert" threads, wjmhere the proven scammer is STILL able to use marketplace to sell their items. I don't get this at all. Unbelieveable!
If I came across as a pr*ck, I apologize. That was not my goal when creating this thread. I'm just really frustrated, because the rules are cut and dry, and it seems like more and more people are disregarding them, desoite the fact that marketplace is under fire for the way things have gone in the past. The lack of respect for the marketplace really pisses me off.
If you can't be bothered to respect the marketplace and follow the rules, that's fine, but don't screw it up for everybody else.
Your input is welcomed, encouraged, and appreciated.
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well said.

juzz86 said:
well said.
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Thanks, Justin.
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BrothaJINC said:
Ur dumb........... and ignorant
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If you don't have anything constructive to add to the conversation, don't say anything.

As I've suggested before, it shouldn't be a rule, but etiquette that people who've never traded with each other before take a picture of legal ID (privately, obviously) when a deal is made. I've traded driver's license pictures with another member once (during a trade I thought was too good to be true, might I add), and everything went smoothly. He turned out to be an honest guy to begin with, but it removed tension and trust issues from the equation since I knew:
- His address
- His phone number
- His email address
- What he looked like
- His DOB
Like I said, it shouldn't be a rule, but the with the scams being run lately, people should take caution and think about doing this.

JimmyMcGee said:
If you don't have anything constructive to add to the conversation, don't say anything.
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It's ok, he is on the ignore list.
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Like we always say on occasions like this, if there are specific examples you see of people breaking the MP rules, feel free to let us know.
If it's one or two threads, use the regular report feature. If it's more, just drop a senior mod or above a PM about it with links
I am currently out the country right now, but don't mind getting any bulk stuff about misdoings in the MP...
I was reading a book recently called the "Darwin Awards", about people who end up demonstrating survival of the fittest in real life. In a way, it would be wonderful if those who do stupid things in the MP also were eradicated from the gene pool, but alas I don't think it's an option...
Common sense is all you need... Shame so few have it

What I find funny is that I don't even know BROTHAJNC, never even talked to him befpre, and he posts a rude comment on my thread. What is going on? What has XDA become? He's posted on another of my threads doing the same thing. Since when is behavior like that tolerated? If this were in person, we all know how that would go. A ridge hand below the ear lobe would solve that attitude problem.
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pulser_g2 said:
...I was reading a book recently called the "Darwin Awards", about people who end up demonstrating survival of the fittest in real life. In a way, it would be wonderful if those who do stupid things in the MP also were eradicated from the gene pool, but alas I don't think it's an option...
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In one sense, you guys do have the power to do this. Not the gene pool as such, but certainly the 'talent pool' of XDA
I do think that the ban hammer could be swung a little more liberally in there. I understand it's hard though, especially as many members in trouble never actually make their cases particularly well.

juzz86 said:
In one sense, you guys do have the power to do this. Not the gene pool as such, but certainly the 'talent pool' of XDA
I do think that the ban hammer could be swung a little more liberally in there. I understand it's hard though, especially as many members in trouble never actually make their cases particularly well.
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Exactly. If someone sends me a PM linking me to some hotchpotch of nonsense, I'm frankly going to read a little bit of it, then go "uhm, too confusing, too much in dispute", and move on...
Conversely if you present a clear-cut point, which is not easily disputed, then there's more chance of something happening.
But it's very much about making a case, as we're not going to make the case for people... If they can make a case, it will be dealt with, but all too often those who get stung are acting irresponsibly in some other way (I'd bet they broke AT LEAST one of the rules themselves in carrying out the deal, or did something which would fail the common sense test)

pulser_g2 said:
Exactly. If someone sends me a PM linking me to some hotchpotch of nonsense, I'm frankly going to read a little bit of it, then go "uhm, too confusing, too much in dispute", and move on...
Conversely if you present a clear-cut point, which is not easily disputed, then there's more chance of something happening.
But it's very much about making a case, as we're not going to make the case for people... If they can make a case, it will be dealt with, but all too often those who get stung are acting irresponsibly in some other way (I'd bet they broke AT LEAST one of the rules themselves in carrying out the deal, or did something which would fail the common sense test)
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This. It's rarely cut-and-shut, and takes a long time for actual holes and 'missed' details to surface. Mind if I pinch your statement and post it in the Lounge? May help in explaining why 'ZOMG NBODY GETS TEH BANz'

juzz86 said:
This. It's rarely cut-and-shut, and takes a long time for actual holes and 'missed' details to surface. Mind if I pinch your statement and post it in the Lounge? May help in explaining why 'ZOMG NBODY GETS TEH BANz'
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Sure, by all means.
My words of "wisdom" should probably be creative commons licenced
Then again, can you apply a licence to stating the bleeding obvious?

pulser_g2 said:
Sure, by all means.
My words of "wisdom" should probably be creative commons licenced
Then again, can you apply a licence to stating the bleeding obvious?
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Of course... Look at Apple

egzthunder1 said:
Of course... Look at Apple
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He said the "A" word.
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The MP has changed a lot over the last few months, there weren't that many scams last year but this year has been hell of a ride...scams , people calling each other names ...am not sure what went wrong but yes something definitely went wrong in there.

munchy_cool said:
The MP has changed a lot over the last few months, there weren't that many scams last year but this year has been hell of a ride...scams , people calling each other names ...am not sure what went wrong but yes something definitely went wrong in there.
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Agreed. Id probably have quite a few transactions under my belt. But until it gets cleandmed uo, I'm not going to bother.
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munchy_cool said:
The MP has changed a lot over the last few months, there weren't that many scams last year but this year has been hell of a ride...scams , people calling each other names ...am not sure what went wrong but yes something definitely went wrong in there.
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The scams go in cycles though. There's a quiet period of a few weeks, then one tried it on and a couple follow, there's a shouting match, then it disappears again.
It's unfair that the ****ty deals get all the publicity in there. There is so much clean, silent good, and a minority of horrid, noisy bad. I'm as guilty as the next man of hopping in and having a say, but sitting back and watching says more, sometimes.
It's starting to change, albeit slowly. I'm getting more and more PMs for advice, which I don't mind too much. People are starting to care more, and take more efforts to protect themselves. We'll never get everybody, but as long as we can start the movement off we should see benefits in the long-term.

esthery xlvi,
Good rant.