All the phones I've ever had until now have had the ability to set an alarm that will still go off if set, even if the phone is turned off. Is there a way to do it on the Desire?
Really want to be able to turn the phone off at night but have the alarm go off still.....
any thoughts please?
That's simply impossible with an Android device.
It's true, it's impossible.
If you want you could just Power Control widget to turn everything off, and flight mode on, and brightness down, to use minimum power. It uses a couple of percent overnight.
I'll give that a try then. Pity that this is my first phone not to do it
franklinvv said:
That's simply impossible with an Android device.
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Or with Windows Mobile device, iPhone OS device.
Bandare said:
I'll give that a try then. Pity that this is my first phone not to do it
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Only dumb "feature" phones can do it. I don't know of any smartphone that can do that; they work totally differently. They're essentially computers, you know.
Just put it in normal standby, and stop refreshing Facebook etc every 5 minutes.
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Only dumb "feature" phones can do it. I don't know of any smartphone that can do that; they work totally differently. They're essentially computers, you know.
Just put it in normal standby, and stop refreshing Facebook etc every 5 minutes.
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my battery drains a good 15% in a night on standby usually..... I have my refreshing set on manual and data off until I do check... typically once every few hours. Battery life doesn't last me a day.
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I started using JuicePlotter yesterday, and noticed that at night my battery barely drains, if at all (hooray for setcpu!). Until exactly 5am when it starts draining heavily at a steady rate. I've done all of the obvious stuff (I think), like making sure I have nothing set to begin syncing at that time, but I can't seem to pin it down.
Does anyone know of a way to find out what's turning on at 5am and draining the battery?
Do you have an Exchange sync setup?
If you do you may want to check and see if your Peak times start at 5AM. If so you may want to set it to update less frequently.
Does JuiceDefender run on a schedule and keep 3G off until 5am?
Thanks for the suggestions guys
I have exchange set up, but its set to "as items arrive" for both peak and non-peak hours (which is set to 8am anyway - yeah, being on call 24/7 sucks).
I'm also not using any kind of timing app like juice defender to schedule anything.
One wierd thing I noticed that may be tied to this, is that certain apps like twitdroyd and fb update immediately when I open the apps, even though they're set to refresh manually, and not to update when I open the apps. Still trying to figure that one out.
Night mode is enabled from 2 am to 5 am. Depending on your settings, Data/3G/Wifi are disabled between those times.
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Night mode is enabled from 2 am to 5 am. Depending on your settings, Data/3G/Wifi are disabled between those times.
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This sounds promising - can you tell me how to check any night mode settings? (searching turns up nada)
fachadick said:
This sounds promising - can you tell me how to check any night mode settings? (searching turns up nada)
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He is referring to JuiceDefender, I bet. I would guess a lot of people who use JuicePlotter also use JuiceDefender. It does exactly as he described: turns data off from 2am to 5am. I use it, and it does help. It also keeps data off when the screen is off during the rest of the day, except for a quick check every so often.
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He is referring to JuiceDefender, I bet. I would guess a lot of people who use JuicePlotter also use JuiceDefender. It does exactly as he described: turns data off from 2am to 5am. I use it, and it does help. It also keeps data off when the screen is off during the rest of the day, except for a quick check every so often.
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rats - I was hoping he was referring to something in regular settings. I'm not using JuiceDefender, or anything similar.
well if you do have it setup for everything to be off between 2 - 5 then wouldn't that make sense that as soon as 5 hit your apps will start syncing even Google apps as they have been trying to sync that whole time and just started queuing up and finally your radios turned back on. I have not used juice yet so i do not know much about it just throwing in some pennies.
One other thing the refresh manually is only for when the app is closed as soon as that app opens its going to sync with its servers. When you set it to manual then that means when you open the app you manually refreshed it and the phone did not do that while idle or you were busy on some other app. Its like twitter for desktops if you set your refresh manually then while the app is open it will not refresh until you hit refresh
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rats - I was hoping he was referring to something in regular settings. I'm not using JuiceDefender, or anything similar.
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One thought: Do you have a good signal in the spot where your phone sits at 5am? A bad signal is the best way to drain a battery fast. A friend's house has an awful Sprint signal, and my battery will drain in four or five hours there, even with no use, whereas I get well over 24 hours with average use in good signal strength areas.
Back when I first got my phone, I used System Panel to figure out what was causing the battery drain. I liked using it so much, I even ended up purchasing it. The history part is what you want, and it will work without paying for a bit, so you can find the problem.
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well if you do have it setup for everything to be off between 2 - 5 then wouldn't that make sense that as soon as 5 hit your apps will start syncing even Google apps as they have been trying to sync that whole time and just started queuing up and finally your radios turned back on. I have not used juice yet so i do not know much about it just throwing in some pennies.
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that would make sense if I was running something like that, but I'm not - as a part of my job, I need to be able to reply immediately to specific emails. At any hour. Total PITA, but hell, it's better than not having a job, right? JuicePlotter's pretty neat though - it just sits in the background monitoring your battery levels and graphs them. For example, it was showing an almost horizontal line from when I stopped using the phone the night before until exactly 5am when it started a gradual decline.
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One other thing the refresh manually is only for when the app is closed as soon as that app opens its going to sync with its servers. When you set it to manual then that means when you open the app you manually refreshed it and the phone did not do that while idle or you were busy on some other app. Its like twitter for desktops if you set your refresh manually then while the app is open it will not refresh until you hit refresh
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Are you sure about this? I mean it makes sense, but I would be willing to swear that back when I was running stock I would open FB or Twitdroyd and it would wait for me to hit refresh before syncing with their servers. Twitdroyd, for example, I would set to keep 80 tweets, and I would check it only occasionally, so I could read those 80 tweets whenever I wanted. Now when I check it, because it syncs immediately, I lose anything older than the most recent 80 tweets. As a workaround, I've increased the number of tweets to keep, but it's still annoying.
ok so hmm what rom are you using. not wanting to bash the dev but could it be that rom?
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One thought: Do you have a good signal in the spot where your phone sits at 5am? A bad signal is the best way to drain a battery fast. A friend's house has an awful Sprint signal, and my battery will drain in four or five hours there, even with no use, whereas I get well over 24 hours with average use in good signal strength areas.
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My signal's not great, but the phone didn't move between 4am and 5am, and the battery only started draining at 5am.
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Back when I first got my phone, I used System Panel to figure out what was causing the battery drain. I liked using it so much, I even ended up purchasing it. The history part is what you want, and it will work without paying for a bit, so you can find the problem.
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I actually purchased SystemPanel this morning with the hope that it would help me get to the bottom of this (I had been using the free version for a while, and now I had an excuse to buy it). It shows me history of battery, device usage, and cpu activity, but even if I see that the cpu or the device is being used, I'm still not sure how that's going to help me pinpoint what's going on. First I need to build up some history anyway though.
I don't know what is wrong with me (I know this is something I'm doing wrong), this happens EVERY time I have an android phone.
I think I'm not closing an app or something and the battery drained overnight, it happened when I had a G1 and an X10... Anyone experienced that?
Is there a way to close apps properly on Android? I don't want to have to install something to manage whether my apps are open or close, I just want them to close when I'm done with them....
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I don't know what is wrong with me (I know this is something I'm doing wrong), this happens EVERY time I have an android phone.
I think I'm not closing an app or something and the battery drained overnight, it happened when I had a G1 and an X10... Anyone experienced that?
Is there a way to close apps properly on Android? I don't want to have to install something to manage whether my apps are open or close, I just want them to close when I'm done with them....
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Internet.. guessing you dont use it at night so try this.. 2 methods of doing the same thing 1) +/Widgets/Settings/Mobile Network and just toggle that whenever you don't need to use 3g connection, or before you go to bed. 2) Hold Power Button/ Mobile Network and make sure it says Connet to Internet is OFF..
for me, this gives 3 days of battery (also doing some under clocking at night ) loving the phone!
Ive experienced high battery usage on a HTC Desire, a Google nexus one and now on a Samsung Captivate. It always seems to be Android OS and the usage is even higher than display which is ridiculous.
It happens on and off and its really quite annoying. I always think Ive found out what causes it...and then it happens again!
I have to ask the question, but have you regularly been using the same 3rd party applications with each of the phones?
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Dave
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I have to ask the question, but have you regularly been using the same 3rd party applications with each of the phones?
Regards,
Dave
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I realize the logic behind the question you're asking. Ive noticed android os battery drain without any apps installed (i.e. stock only). It doesnt seem to happen on a regular basis though.
At one time, I was pretty confident it was a generic charger, another time after usb connections and even something associated with google push services.
Not really sure what it could be. Its like those experiments at university where there are way too many variables, so the only option is to sit down and data log until a trend emerges. Frankly, its a phone and its too much time to actually sit down and do that. (Yes I know im lazy )
2-4% battery drain is normal at night, if you have airplane mode on or at least 3G / WiFi data connection off. The drain should be between 2 and 5 mA for most of the time.
There are a few battery related threads, try comparing those results with yours, we did some extensive testing too in one of them.
To pinpoint your problem try one or a combination of these three tools: SystemPanel, Power Tutor, Current Widget (maybe one each night). Let them monitor your system overnight and see what's the result.
I have recently done testing for 4 nights, two with SetCpu underclocking profile at screen off, and two without it. There was no appreciable difference between the four runs.
i use an App to turn on airplane mode over night, i stared with an app called "sweet dream" [Link = http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/tools/sweet-dream_jtvk.html?nav=googleDownload ]
and now use timeriffic [link = http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/tools/timeriffic_tdl.html ]
it really does help the battery life.
Or just plug it in overnight? This seems to work fine for me!!
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Or just plug it in overnight? This seems to work fine for me!!
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Hell yeah, plug it in and turn airplane mode on
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Have you tried conditioning the battery?
Calibrate your battery then reset your battery stats. It could help. If you flashed a rom while charging or during the first boot screen on first boot or on USB, battery calibration will need to be performed. It made a massive difference for me after multiple flashes.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=755903
Thanks!
I decided to install Advanced Task Killer, all is good now, must have been some app draining it.
I know it sounds silly, But are we supposed to turn androide phones off?
The reason i ask this is becuase 1# the alarm wont go off if you turn phone off so you need to enable flight mode.
And 2nd# when i turn off the phone and turn it back on it will default back to normal theme.
so just wondering really if i am right or wrong?
Turning it on and off frequently is not a good thing to do (battery will be seriously affected)....so it's best to leave it in stand-by (screen off). As for alarm clocks, you can always disable them in the clock....I'm not sure what you are trying to say about the flight mode....that's generally used to disable wireless communications and I am unaware of its effects on the alarm clock.
The phone should be able to return to your custom theme after you turn it back on....I wonder why yours does that...
As an aside, I don't think turning the phone on and off reboots everything!
I had a situation where on startup the phone was really slow and unresponsive, like something was using lots of CPU cycles. Eventually after a few minutes the phone just rebooted.
Turning it off and on did not fix this, however pulling the battery out DID fix it. So pulling the battery must reset something that a simple switch off/on doesn't.
I only turn mine off if flashing a new ROM, wanting to remove the SD card. Otherwise it's on 24/7
I know if you have a live wallpaper installed to SD that it will return to a normal default wallpaper.
Could that be the reason your theme is changing?
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Turning it on and off frequently is not a good thing to do (battery will be seriously affected)....
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The battery won't be 'seriously affected', what does that even mean? At worst it uses 1-2% battery to reboot.
I never turn my phone off, I put it in flightmode if I know I won't have signal for any length of time, and when flashing ROMs I just mount the external storage and drag and drop to the SD. It won't do the phone any harm to turn it on and off.
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The battery won't be 'seriously affected', what does that even mean? At worst it uses 1-2% battery to reboot.
I never turn my phone off, I put it in flightmode if I know I won't have signal for any length of time, and when flashing ROMs I just mount the external storage and drag and drop to the SD. It won't do the phone any harm to turn it on and off.
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Agreed.
I keep mine on 24/7 though. Only time it is off, is when a new ROM is being flashed or I remove the SD card - so, hardly ever.
I'm sure I turned my phone off once (or maybe it was my old phone) and the alarm went off still... was on an aeroplane too so I secretly tried to shush it up!
I turn it off every night...have done to all my phones... cant see anything wrong in this. The phone works fine, it's off for about 7 hrs, yes I have to reset a few things here and there ... but It's fine.. sync all my google stuff in the morning .. fab .
It's always charged at work in the day , so may be the battery is running low, but as I plug it in every day .. I dont see it ...
The wifi is also on at work .
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I know if you have a live wallpaper installed to SD that it will return to a normal default wallpaper.
Could that be the reason your theme is changing?
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possible. My phone does the same, when I turn it off it returns to the normal livewallpaper instead of my selected one.
My phone is also on 24/7, got no reason to turn it off. If i dont want people to call me: just turn off the sound
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My phone is also on 24/7, got no reason to turn it off. If i dont want people to call me: just turn off the sound
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I agree - or just ignore the person and laugh evilly while they try and call you!
I charged my Nexus LTE(unrooted,4 days old) till it was 100% before I went to bed. As soon as I set my alarm I unplugged it to test to idle. Well I just woke up 6 hours later and it was completly dead. I have it on the charger now, I hope i can see the spycpu cause that was main purpose for leaving it off. I do not sleep surf either.
Is this a defective phone?
Wow that's nuts. I definitely never get that sort of battery drain. Are you rooted? Using a custom rom or just stock?
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Wow that's nuts. I definitely never get that sort of battery drain. Are you rooted? Using a custom rom or just stock?
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unrooted.
I have to leave for work now with out a phone, I will try to check up via computer (feeling like a dinosaur).
Ha ha I know I feel so bad when I don't have my phone. Maybe see if it happens again tonight. If it does I would get on to the carrier. Have a good day at work!
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Ha ha I know I feel so bad when I don't have my phone. Maybe see if it happens again tonight. If it does I would get on to the carrier. Have a good day at work!
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Ill try both.
It has been documented the Verizon has battery issues but not sure if they were meant to be fixed in the 4.0.2 update
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I charged my Nexus LTE(unrooted,4 days old) till it was 100% before I went to bed. As soon as I set my alarm I unplugged it to test to idle. Well I just woke up 6 hours later and it was completly dead. I have it on the charger now, I hope i can see the spycpu cause that was main purpose for leaving it off. I do not sleep surf either.
Is this a defective phone?
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Are you sure it was dead or you just had a sleep of death? If it truly was dead you definitely have something draining your battery during idle. I highly recommend you turn off your LTE antenna if you haven't already unless your using data intensive apps and you need it, such as surfing or netflix or something. Also, change your sync times to less often, I do every 15min. Sign out of google talk, use wifi when you can, adjust screen brightness, disable bluetooth. White backgrounds will eat your battery faster as well. What else am i forgetting.... Root will help if you can manage to, its incredibly easy especially with the new rootkit out, because you can load francos newest build which has increased my battery 2x, with 25% drain in the last 8.5 hours even with a 1/2 hr of whale tail last night. Also make sure your not running something stupid in your background thats eating your battery like a task killer or battery spy or something, those just rape your battery
If you turn on Google+ instant upload and it has thousands of pictures to upload that will kill your battery in a few hours. If your phone is staying awake because of Android OS then try turning off your GPS.
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As noted in a lot threads on a lot of forums, there are some phones that have a problem with the Android OS and the "Keep Awake" time. There seems to be an issue with some phones not truly going to sleep when the power button is used to turn off the screen as opposed to letting the screen turn off automatically when the screen times out. This results in a very high time in the Settings/Battery/Android OS/Keep Awake menu.
In stock form and with every rom that I have installed, my "Keep Awake" time was always about 50-60% of my total battery time. If the phone had been off charger for 8 hours, I'd have 4-6 hours of Andorid OS "Keep Awake" time. This was true even if the phone had been in my pocket unused and seems to be exacerbated by my habit of turning the screen off manually with the power button every single time. I used to never let the screen timeout.
There seems to be two "fixes" according to Franco (of kernel fame). One concerns the camera. Seems the camera is started and then turned off during startup. But in so doing, it leaves a sensor active and this prevents the phone from actually going to sleep. So he recommends starting and using the back button to go back to the home screen. The other is DRM Protected Content. He recommends this be disabled or frozen. A third, that I don't believe I recall seeing him recommend but that I have seen on his thread at XDA (down for blackout right now) is to disable Maps.
I have done all three of those and my Keep Awake time has gone from 40-50% of my total battery time down to a few percentage points. I mean if I don't use my phone it will now show less than a minute of Keep Awake time per hour.
Good luck
My VZW nexus can idle with moderate use on constant LTE and get 15 hours with out issue. Hell I have even gotten more so check google+ as suggested. If it went dead on idle with nothing running constantly to cause it than I would say your phone and/or battery is defective
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As noted in a lot threads on a lot of forums, there are some phones that have a problem with the Android OS and the "Keep Awake" time. There seems to be an issue with some phones not truly going to sleep when the power button is used to turn off the screen as opposed to letting the screen turn off automatically when the screen times out. This results in a very high time in the Settings/Battery/Android OS/Keep Awake menu.
In stock form and with every rom that I have installed, my "Keep Awake" time was always about 50-60% of my total battery time. If the phone had been off charger for 8 hours, I'd have 4-6 hours of Andorid OS "Keep Awake" time. This was true even if the phone had been in my pocket unused and seems to be exacerbated by my habit of turning the screen off manually with the power button every single time. I used to never let the screen timeout.
There seems to be two "fixes" according to Franco (of kernel fame). One concerns the camera. Seems the camera is started and then turned off during startup. But in so doing, it leaves a sensor active and this prevents the phone from actually going to sleep. So he recommends starting and using the back button to go back to the home screen. The other is DRM Protected Content. He recommends this be disabled or frozen. A third, that I don't believe I recall seeing him recommend but that I have seen on his thread at XDA (down for blackout right now) is to disable Maps.
I have done all three of those and my Keep Awake time has gone from 40-50% of my total battery time down to a few percentage points. I mean if I don't use my phone it will now show less than a minute of Keep Awake time per hour.
Good luck
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Ive been getting good battery life, despite my awake time being around 6-8 hours at the end of a charge. I tried the camera close but that never helped, I've just disabled DRM though. Also, GPS locator has been associated with this, which is probably what you meant by "maps". I just turn off my location unless i need it for navigation in location settings
how do you disable drm? and what exactly is it?
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how do you disable drm? and what exactly is it?
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It has to do with digitally protected files, music, etc. One time I went home screen/menu/settings/apps/all/drm/disable. The last time I did it from Titanium and pressed the freeze button for that app.
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BTW, both actions can be reversed.
i wonder if there are a way to make alarm ON when it's powered OFF. I need this the most cuz sometimes we don't know our phone turn off while we sleeping
hinfamous said:
i wonder if there are a way to make alarm ON when it's powered OFF. I need this the most cuz sometimes we don't know our phone turn off while we sleeping
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There is. But connection to a charger is required. Try NoMoarPowah! app. You can set a custom time to boot your phone. Like 5 mins before your alarm starts.
Just charge your phone before sleep , and after it got 80-100% remove the charger , put your phone next to you , airplane mode on , the battery will last longer and the alarm will ring , and the battery is safe , you can try kilavuzcu method too if you want
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Just charge your phone before sleep , and after it got 80-100% remove the charger , put your phone next to you , airplane mode on , the battery will last longer and the alarm will ring , and the battery is safe , you can try kilavuzcu method too if you want
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Hi dude, thank's for the joke
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There is. But connection to a charger is required. Try NoMoarPowah! app. You can set a custom time to boot your phone. Like 5 mins before your alarm starts.
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Thank for your answer, but still it need a charger to do that. But i want it to work like the old phone alarm. Maybe i can wait for the developer to make it happen.
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Thank for your answer, but still it need a charger to do that. But i want it to work like the old phone alarm. Maybe i can wait for the developer to make it happen.
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I don't think there will ever be a solution which doesn't need charger. When an android phone is off, it's really off. You can't run any software if device is completely off.
But why you want to turn your phone off? You can still use an app like "Deep Sleep Battery Saver". When screen off, it turn off wifi, mobile network, other apps etc and you don't need to turn off your phone, your alarm is going to work fine and when you wake up your battery will stay at %98-96.
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I don't think there will ever be a solution which doesn't need charger. When an android phone is off, it's really off. You can't run any software if device is completely off.
But why you want to turn your phone off? You can still use an app like "Deep Sleep Battery Saver". When screen off, it turn off wifi, mobile network, other apps etc and you don't need to turn off your phone, your alarm is going to work fine and when you wake up your battery will stay at %98-96.
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hi kilavuzcu, i'll try that. thanks