I started using JuicePlotter yesterday, and noticed that at night my battery barely drains, if at all (hooray for setcpu!). Until exactly 5am when it starts draining heavily at a steady rate. I've done all of the obvious stuff (I think), like making sure I have nothing set to begin syncing at that time, but I can't seem to pin it down.
Does anyone know of a way to find out what's turning on at 5am and draining the battery?
Do you have an Exchange sync setup?
If you do you may want to check and see if your Peak times start at 5AM. If so you may want to set it to update less frequently.
Does JuiceDefender run on a schedule and keep 3G off until 5am?
Thanks for the suggestions guys
I have exchange set up, but its set to "as items arrive" for both peak and non-peak hours (which is set to 8am anyway - yeah, being on call 24/7 sucks).
I'm also not using any kind of timing app like juice defender to schedule anything.
One wierd thing I noticed that may be tied to this, is that certain apps like twitdroyd and fb update immediately when I open the apps, even though they're set to refresh manually, and not to update when I open the apps. Still trying to figure that one out.
Night mode is enabled from 2 am to 5 am. Depending on your settings, Data/3G/Wifi are disabled between those times.
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Night mode is enabled from 2 am to 5 am. Depending on your settings, Data/3G/Wifi are disabled between those times.
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This sounds promising - can you tell me how to check any night mode settings? (searching turns up nada)
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This sounds promising - can you tell me how to check any night mode settings? (searching turns up nada)
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He is referring to JuiceDefender, I bet. I would guess a lot of people who use JuicePlotter also use JuiceDefender. It does exactly as he described: turns data off from 2am to 5am. I use it, and it does help. It also keeps data off when the screen is off during the rest of the day, except for a quick check every so often.
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He is referring to JuiceDefender, I bet. I would guess a lot of people who use JuicePlotter also use JuiceDefender. It does exactly as he described: turns data off from 2am to 5am. I use it, and it does help. It also keeps data off when the screen is off during the rest of the day, except for a quick check every so often.
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rats - I was hoping he was referring to something in regular settings. I'm not using JuiceDefender, or anything similar.
well if you do have it setup for everything to be off between 2 - 5 then wouldn't that make sense that as soon as 5 hit your apps will start syncing even Google apps as they have been trying to sync that whole time and just started queuing up and finally your radios turned back on. I have not used juice yet so i do not know much about it just throwing in some pennies.
One other thing the refresh manually is only for when the app is closed as soon as that app opens its going to sync with its servers. When you set it to manual then that means when you open the app you manually refreshed it and the phone did not do that while idle or you were busy on some other app. Its like twitter for desktops if you set your refresh manually then while the app is open it will not refresh until you hit refresh
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rats - I was hoping he was referring to something in regular settings. I'm not using JuiceDefender, or anything similar.
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One thought: Do you have a good signal in the spot where your phone sits at 5am? A bad signal is the best way to drain a battery fast. A friend's house has an awful Sprint signal, and my battery will drain in four or five hours there, even with no use, whereas I get well over 24 hours with average use in good signal strength areas.
Back when I first got my phone, I used System Panel to figure out what was causing the battery drain. I liked using it so much, I even ended up purchasing it. The history part is what you want, and it will work without paying for a bit, so you can find the problem.
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well if you do have it setup for everything to be off between 2 - 5 then wouldn't that make sense that as soon as 5 hit your apps will start syncing even Google apps as they have been trying to sync that whole time and just started queuing up and finally your radios turned back on. I have not used juice yet so i do not know much about it just throwing in some pennies.
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that would make sense if I was running something like that, but I'm not - as a part of my job, I need to be able to reply immediately to specific emails. At any hour. Total PITA, but hell, it's better than not having a job, right? JuicePlotter's pretty neat though - it just sits in the background monitoring your battery levels and graphs them. For example, it was showing an almost horizontal line from when I stopped using the phone the night before until exactly 5am when it started a gradual decline.
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One other thing the refresh manually is only for when the app is closed as soon as that app opens its going to sync with its servers. When you set it to manual then that means when you open the app you manually refreshed it and the phone did not do that while idle or you were busy on some other app. Its like twitter for desktops if you set your refresh manually then while the app is open it will not refresh until you hit refresh
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Are you sure about this? I mean it makes sense, but I would be willing to swear that back when I was running stock I would open FB or Twitdroyd and it would wait for me to hit refresh before syncing with their servers. Twitdroyd, for example, I would set to keep 80 tweets, and I would check it only occasionally, so I could read those 80 tweets whenever I wanted. Now when I check it, because it syncs immediately, I lose anything older than the most recent 80 tweets. As a workaround, I've increased the number of tweets to keep, but it's still annoying.
ok so hmm what rom are you using. not wanting to bash the dev but could it be that rom?
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One thought: Do you have a good signal in the spot where your phone sits at 5am? A bad signal is the best way to drain a battery fast. A friend's house has an awful Sprint signal, and my battery will drain in four or five hours there, even with no use, whereas I get well over 24 hours with average use in good signal strength areas.
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My signal's not great, but the phone didn't move between 4am and 5am, and the battery only started draining at 5am.
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Back when I first got my phone, I used System Panel to figure out what was causing the battery drain. I liked using it so much, I even ended up purchasing it. The history part is what you want, and it will work without paying for a bit, so you can find the problem.
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I actually purchased SystemPanel this morning with the hope that it would help me get to the bottom of this (I had been using the free version for a while, and now I had an excuse to buy it). It shows me history of battery, device usage, and cpu activity, but even if I see that the cpu or the device is being used, I'm still not sure how that's going to help me pinpoint what's going on. First I need to build up some history anyway though.
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I let my phone discharge fully till it turned itself off!
Charged it for 4 or 5 hours.
Now I used it to make 3 short calls (5mins each) and send 10 or so texts, and surf for about 5 minutes, use google sjy mpas for 5minutes, showcase some video to some friends 2mins, general messing 10mins altogether.
Phone is up 40hours now (since charge) and still at 80%. I am very impressed.
I put it to airplane mode between 12am and 7am though as I don't like to be woken by drunk friends texts at 2am etc. (it happens sometimes).
I think those of us (me included) who slated the battery life originally didn't relaise we were using the phone non-stop pretty much for the entire day, trying out all the features on it. I doubt the first week of use will be "typical use" for ANY user
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My battery on day one seems fine, 12.5 hours running so far, screen at 100%, everything on automatic syncing (and I mean everything, Weather, Twitter, FB, Gmail etc), continuous WiFi connection throughout, plenty of "first day" playing around and still sitting at something like 20%. With a few more charges and more typical use will last a day just fine, which is all I ask, since I always charge my phones overnight...
When i got my phone i let it run out as it had half power, i overcharged it a few hours then let it die, then i do the same again but not overcharge it and let it die. Now i charge it when i need to but i seem to be getting 3 days worth with usage out of it and i use gps, web and have things on auto. Seems to be much better than when i first had it as the battery didnt even last a day but now its past 2 days.
I assume with newer firmwares etc this will improve
My battery life seems to get worse. I charged it fully ... it has been on for 6 hours and I have put 3g on for a while (1hour max and i barely have used it) and my battery is already 60% ... is that poor?? This is my second phone as well!!!
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I let my phone discharge fully till it turned itself off!
Charged it for 4 or 5 hours.
Now I used it to make 3 short calls (5mins each) and send 10 or so texts, and surf for about 5 minutes, use google sjy mpas for 5minutes, showcase some video to some friends 2mins, general messing 10mins altogether.
Phone is up 40hours now (since charge) and still at 80%. I am very impressed.
I put it to airplane mode between 12am and 7am though as I don't like to be woken by drunk friends texts at 2am etc. (it happens sometimes).
I think those of us (me included) who slated the battery life originally didn't relaise we were using the phone non-stop pretty much for the entire day, trying out all the features on it. I doubt the first week of use will be "typical use" for ANY user
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I thought a full charge only required 3 hours..?
Anyone having surprisingly short battery life go into the phone keypad and dial in *#*#4636#*#*, when you key in that last * you will be taken to a testing menu (I've added a contact with this number and when in the dialer I can long press on the number as select edit number before calling to take me to this screen)
In this menu there are options to see phone and battery information as well as usage statistics for apps. The best battery option is "battery history" this shows you what apps are using your battery for various things such as network and processor usage. You can see this data for since you last rebooted your phone, unplugged it or for the whole life of the phone.
The first important part is "other usage", "running" shows you the percentage of the time your phone has been awake and doing stuff, "screen on" is the percentage of time your screen has been on, the difference between these two is when your phone has the screen is turned off but the phone is still working such as when syncing. Ideally you want these two percentages to be as close together as possible but it depends on how much syncing you have going on automatically in the background. If your running percentage is at or near 100% then an app is keeping your phone awake and using battery.
Next we have "partial awake use", this is what as been running in the background when you have the screen turned off and any apps that process or sync in the background would be listed here, the longer the bar, the bigger the drain on your battery. On my phone now the biggest bar by far is android system but it is still only small.
With "sensor usage" this is what has been using your sensors, games that use the sensors will feature heavily here.
"Gps usage" is again pretty self explanatory, whatever has been using gps.
"Network usage" was a real eye opener for me, I found out that an app was downloading megs of data all day and dwarfed all the other bars and was the reason for my bad battery life. Here the blue part of the bar is download and the red part is upload.
And lastly "cpu usage" on mine these are all practically non-existent but if anything is using massive amounts of processing it will show up here.
I only found out about this the other day but it has helped my battery life substantially, I used to take it off charge in the morning and be down to around 60% by lunch time, now I'm at 98%. I did this by uninstalling any apps that used too much battery and that I didn't really use very much as well as the vampire apps that were running and syncing continuously in the background, I also reduced the frequency at which some of my services such as stocks, email and weather synced, and used it on a low brightness when possible.
This is my first android device and I can now happily use it without the fear of running out of battery before the days end
Wow, thanks andybut85, that was a very informative post!
If you download Spare Parts from the Market it gives you access to the same info - instead of 'dialing' to test mode.
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Next we have "partial awake use", this is what as been running in the background when you have the screen turned off and any apps that process or sync in the background would be listed here, the longer the bar, the bigger the drain on your battery. On my phone now the biggest bar by far is android system but it is still only small.
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My biggest is "Calendar" (54mins from Boot, compared to 1min for Andriod System!)
What Calendar could this be? Im syncing from Google Calendar, so will it be that? If so, wouldnt my email syncing show up as constantly on too?
Or could it be some other App that is making it run constantly?
Any help gratefully received.
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My biggest is "Calendar" (54mins from Boot, compared to 1min for Andriod System!)
What Calendar could this be? Im syncing from Google Calendar, so will it be that? If so, wouldnt my email syncing show up as constantly on too?
Or could it be some other App that is making it run constantly?
Any help gratefully received.
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Have a look for "Total in all time" with mine the calendar is roughly half that of android system, it could be that recently your calendar has had to sync for a long time, this could be a one off or if it's still high for the total time it could be a deeper problem. You could also try rebooting and seeing if it occurs again.
Have a look for "Total in all time" with mine the calendar is roughly half that of android system, it could be that recently your calendar has had to sync for a long time, this could be a one off or if it's still high for the total time it could be a deeper problem. You could also try rebooting and seeing if it occurs again.
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Calendar: 1day 7hrs
Android: 5hours
I'm thinking some app I've put on yesterday is not letting it sleep. will uninstall stuff one by one and see how it goes.
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I'm still having problems with battery drain.
My Desire will not last a day
Installed Juiceplotter to find out when and why my battery drops so fast.
See attached image.
The battery drains very fast when i USE the phone, so when the screen is on. (20% in one hour)
I have two push email account activated, one with the HTC Exchange, and one with TouchDown.
But that doesn't explain the drops when phone is active.
Anyone else having this kind of batterydrain ?
I have positive "story" about battery too. Im on second charging. Saturday at 1:00 Im unplug it from charger and now 34h later Im on 7/10 battery.
Im make few calls(cca. 10 calls long 1-3min), few times(cca. 3-5x) check emails accounts(4 pop3 email accountes), quick test sygic navigation, little search on market(install calendar widget and some other app), and play few levels of Teeter...
3G is turned ON
GPS, WIFI is turned OFF
Also automatic sync is for most things disabled or setup to sync 1x per day...
Hmm Can't say I'm impressed by my battery life... it dropped 20% overnight..
I''ll keep an eye out on what's running and see if i can fine tune, but turning things off seems to be a bit pointless as it is made for use not just sit on a desk being pretty.
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Kef
i got great battery life at home over the weekend connected to my wi-fi network.. i have a feeling its the crappy edge reception in my office thats eating into battery life during the week..
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i got great battery life at home over the weekend connected to my wi-fi network.. i have a feeling its the crappy edge reception in my office thats eating into battery life during the week..
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yep, that sounds highly plausible. Bad or weak connections to the network (especially mobile internet connections) will really drain a battery as the phone needs to use more power to maintain adequate connection strength.
you can check your signal strength in the "settings / network strength" section. I notice in good 3G areas my connection is -95dBm or higher. At work (which is in some sort of black spot in Dublin) I only get EDGE connection and my signal strength is about -80 to -85dBm. I bet this makes a big difference to battery life, especially if I try browsing or data connection.
my signal strength at work is -91 dbm...
i'm guessing bigger numbers are worse?
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yep, that sounds highly plausible. Bad or weak connections to the network (especially mobile internet connections) will really drain a battery as the phone needs to use more power to maintain adequate connection strength.
you can check your signal strength in the "settings / network strength" section. I notice in good 3G areas my connection is -95dBm or higher. At work (which is in some sort of black spot in Dublin) I only get EDGE connection and my signal strength is about -80 to -85dBm. I bet this makes a big difference to battery life, especially if I try browsing or data connection.
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spare parts showed me that "media" was using the network a lot, bowever i cant work out what this corresponds to, it says DRM protected content storage, download manager and media storage. shows as having downloaded several megs
i use spotify for music, anyone any ides what these could be?
thanks
only guess but i'd say its spotify.. i have used servcies like that in the past on my pc.. and they sometimes have a lot of downloading going on that you dont even ask for!... worth checking out..
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spare parts showed me that "media" was using the network a lot, bowever i cant work out what this corresponds to, it says DRM protected content storage, download manager and media storage. shows as having downloaded several megs
i use spotify for music, anyone any ides what these could be?
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only guess but i'd say its spotify.. i have used servcies like that in the past on my pc.. and they sometimes have a lot of downloading going on that you dont even ask for!... worth checking out..
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yes it could be, but spotify also comes up as a separate user of resources and i tested it since unplugging when spotify wasnt running and "media" still comes up as the biggest user.
makes me think that its not spotify
I really like the idea of disabling the phone's APNs when it's just sitting idle to save battery. Unfortunately I've not found an app that can do this reliably.
I first tried Juice Defender/Ultimate Juice which is so configurable that I thought I'd hit a winner. It's (supposed) ability to automatically enable the APN for a short period every so often seemed like the perfect balance of powersaving/data syncing.
Unfortunately it didn't work out this way and messed up my APNs and internet access completely, even after uninstalling (until after a few reboots).
I tried Sleepy Battery just today. Again, the app didn't work as promised - it didn't re-enable the APN after the phone woke up, leaving me with no internet. Again, this app had made a change to my APN that I had to go back in and correct, after I had uninstalled it.
Has anyone got any advice, or can recommend an app that actually works for this use?
I personally use use APNdroid, it allows to switch 3g on and off and has a widget with it. It doesn't automatically turn the 3g on or off depending on your use, that's something you'd have to do yourself...
Hope that helps!
Try sleepy battery, juice defender, or another app I think it's called sweet dreams.
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I really like the idea of disabling the phone's APNs when it's just sitting idle to save battery. Unfortunately I've not found an app that can do this reliably.
I first tried Juice Defender/Ultimate Juice which is so configurable that I thought I'd hit a winner. It's (supposed) ability to automatically enable the APN for a short period every so often seemed like the perfect balance of powersaving/data syncing.
Unfortunately it didn't work out this way and messed up my APNs and internet access completely, even after uninstalling (until after a few reboots).
I tried Sleepy Battery just today. Again, the app didn't work as promised - it didn't re-enable the APN after the phone woke up, leaving me with no internet. Again, this app had made a change to my APN that I had to go back in and correct, after I had uninstalled it.
Has anyone got any advice, or can recommend an app that actually works for this use?
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Thats really strange, I've had great results from JuiceDefender/UltimateJuice. It turns APNs off when in standby and turns them on for 15 seconds every 5mins to allow everything to sync. Really can't fault it.
I'd maybe suggest giving it another go? I believe there's an update coming soon from the developer to sort out some issues with the Desire. This might solve your issue.
Not come across any other app's that do what JuiceDefender does as well as it does.
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Thats really strange, I've had great results from JuiceDefender/UltimateJuice. It turns APNs off when in standby and turns them on for 15 seconds every 5mins to allow everything to sync. Really can't fault it.
I'd maybe suggest giving it another go? I believe there's an update coming soon from the developer to sort out some issues with the Desire. This might solve your issue.
Not come across any app's that do what JuiceDefender does as well as it does.
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I really wanted to like Juice Defender. Hopefully the update will help, so I'll wait a while for that.
In the meantime I'll give APNDroid and Sweet Dreams a try. Thanks guys
I would recommend getting the juicedefender and ultimatejuice is well worth the purchase! juiceplotter is also a great free add on. They will save you on battery and will automatically control your apn and wifi.
Just a quick question on JuiceDefender actually. I just bought UltimateJuice to try, love all the options it gives you. But, my question is this...
I have my apps (Facebook and the likes) set to sync once every 2 hours. I also have UltimateJuice set up to turn APN on once every 2 hours to allow syncing. Will these two points in time automatically sync up with each other? I can just see Facebook trying to update at 14:00, 16:00, 18:00 etc while UltimateJuice turns APN on at 15:00, 17:00, 19:00 etc.
Hopefully not though. Anybody know? Thanks.
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Just a quick question on JuiceDefender actually. I just bought UltimateJuice to try, love all the options it gives you. But, my question is this...
I have my apps (Facebook and the likes) set to sync once every 2 hours. I also have UltimateJuice set up to turn APN on once every 2 hours to allow syncing. Will these two points in time automatically sync up with each other? I can just see Facebook trying to update at 14:00, 16:00, 18:00 etc while UltimateJuice turns APN on at 15:00, 17:00, 19:00 etc.
Hopefully not though. Anybody know? Thanks.
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I have wondered this, I if you've only got APN turning on every 2 hours you might as well set Facebook to sync every 2-3minutes because, my guess is that it won't attempt to sync if there is no data connection.
Hmm, possibly. I've set Juice to turn data on once an hour. I'll leave it like that for tomorrow and see how it goes. It currently claims to be extending my batter life by 1.88x, and if that remains consistent and it actually can do that then I'll be very impressed.
I've now tried APNDroid and I have to admit it seems like it does save some juice. But I forget to turn it off/enable my APNs frequently, and therefore don't get my data coming through for long periods. I need an automatic app.
Sweets Dreams does not fit the usage I want the app for.
So have gone back and tried Juice Defender again for today, and it seems to be working ok this time round. However it reports that it's multiplied my battery life by 1.95, but that is a complete load of rubbish. My phone was unplugged literally 12hrs ago, and I'm now down to 14% battery.
My use of the phone isn't excessive - searched the Market for maybe 5-10min, installed 3 apps, and uninstalled about 4 apps. Browsed internet for maybe 15min total. Sent and received 12 text messages each way. A few emails have come in that I've dealt with. No gaming action at all, no calls, wifi is completely disabled, I had just a couple of widgets updating infrequently (every few hrs) but I got rid of them early this evening.
What do I have to do to get some sort of half-decent battery life out of this thing?
sometimes u want to have data syncs when the phone sleeps, for example twitter if you have new mentions. I used quick settings (http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.bwx.bequick)
long press on the search button brings this up so you can change it quick.
You could change the sync frequencies to longer gap inbetween updates to improve battery life. I turn on my APN the entire day and I still get about avg 14hrs of usage
I use Data on Demand from the market. It's simples! Just turns data off when the phone is asleep. Doubles the battery life!
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I use Data on Demand from the market. It's simples! Just turns data off when the phone is asleep. Doubles the battery life!
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I like it! simples indeed!
I use juice defender/ultimate. It works incredibly well and I can now easily get 2 days use. I have a rooted Desire with MCRr3.
Without this software I stuggled to get 1 day.
After my first couple of days with UltimateJuice I must say I'm pretty impressed. Syncing seems to work fine with the schedule I have set up. I have it turning APS off at night, having it on when I have the screen turned on, and off when the screen is off and then turning back on to sync everything once an hour. Greatly improved battery life so far.
there is a setting under settings / wireless and networks / mobile networks that says "enable always on mobile data"
Switching this to off about doubled my battery life and everything still seemed to work okay as far as data goes. All my apps worked including things that check or update periodically in the background - so I'm not sure what this feature does.
The only downside is that the phone would crash periodically in areas with poor reception. It would go back to the sprint boot animation and come up after a minute and the uptime would not be reset.
Imconvinced part of the battery life problem is due ton inefficient use of data, but I'm wondering what can be done about it without sacrificing stability. Ahylne else have a similar experience or willing to try it out or have more information?
Trying this out, seeing what it effects it has on my normally used apps. So far (first 20 minutes of doing it) everything seems to run fine. I would guess this causes the phone to "hibernate" the 3g radio whilst locked.
I started doing this on Hero and continue to do it on the Evo. The biggest issue is that if you are using pandora (or similar app), it causes problems when the phone goes to sleep.
The setting stops your 3g connection when the screen goes to sleep. This prevents the phone from updating email, twitter or whatever else you use. As soon as you turn the screen on, it turns on 3g, downloads your email etc.
I check my phone often enough (for the time or whatever) that I don't mind not getting my email immediately (it downloads when I turn the screen on).
This has saves a ton of battery life. The only time I enable always on mobile network is to listen to pandora. I have done this since day 1 and have had no issues.
I tried this last week and it made a massive difference in battery life. I turned it back on though because I do like my phone to download things while it is idle. I also don't want to get used to the improved battery life just to have to switch it back later.
i dont know if any of you have heard of juice defender what it does the same thing pretty much. with a few exceptions. whereby you can set the program up to allow your phone to take data even if your screen is off at a certain duration of time, then it will go back to sleep.
thats a really simple explanation of what the app does. if anyone of you does decide to use the app let me know i can share my settings more specifically. I have increases my battery life by 87% and i have have 0 problems.
I have this option unchecked and not only has my battery life improved, but I don't notice any performance or stability issues.
Also, my data continues to download in the background as normal (regardless of whether the screen is on or off). I have Facebook and Twitter set to download data every so often and it continues to do so. Even Google Voice will notify me of messages even if the screen is off.
I think what this option does is, when checked, makes the radio work hard to find and keep a data connection (especially in low signal areas). I notice that with the option unchecked, my data connection drops a bit more often than with it on. I don't mind that though seeing that the data connection simply reconnects automatically and almost instantly.
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Would you all mind doing an experiment for me? Turn this option off (so data is not constantly on) and turn your screen on and put it in your microwave so it loses signal*.
Watch it and see if it crashes. I suspect something about this setting being off is causing the phone to crash when it loses its cell connection momentarily.
*Don't turn on your microwave.
Okay so after more research I'm pretty sure the main instigator of poor battery life is the data connection constantly going wild. According to SystemPanel my phone hangs out doing nothing downloading at 100-200Kbps for large amounts of time. Not sure what it's downloading.
To find out what apps were causing this I used Spare Parts and saw this:
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So a process with the PID of "0" is what is using most of the data connection, followed by UID 10011 which is contact/calendar/mail sync. I can click through to 10011 and get details, but if I try to click on PID "0" I get a force close.
There is also another preference under Accounts & Sync for "background data" and "auto-sync." I'm not sure what the difference is between this background data setting and the one in wireless & networks that says "enable always-on mobile data." Anyone have any thoughts on that?
Also interesting is what was happening when I had always on data disabled:
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You can see where my phone was crashing but look at my battery life before and after the crash. It looks like it has dipped significantly. Also, the crashes only lasted a minute while the phone rebooted, not nearly as long as what was recorded here - so it's possible something was going on with the battery life before the phone crashed.
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i dont know if any of you have heard of juice defender what it does the same thing pretty much. with a few exceptions. whereby you can set the program up to allow your phone to take data even if your screen is off at a certain duration of time, then it will go back to sleep.
thats a really simple explanation of what the app does. if anyone of you does decide to use the app let me know i can share my settings more specifically. I have increases my battery life by 87% and i have have 0 problems.
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Could you please post you settings that you use with Juice Defender. Also, please post any suggestions about Juice Defender and Ultimate Juice.
Thanks, John.........
mastermayhm069 said:
i dont know if any of you have heard of juice defender what it does the same thing pretty much. with a few exceptions. whereby you can set the program up to allow your phone to take data even if your screen is off at a certain duration of time, then it will go back to sleep.
thats a really simple explanation of what the app does. if anyone of you does decide to use the app let me know i can share my settings more specifically. I have increases my battery life by 87% and i have have 0 problems.
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I swore Juice Defender only works with GSM and not CDMA.
It even say this when you go to download the app. Although I did just google it an apparently people have it going on the Motorola Droid rooted.
Who with Android experience wants to prove this?
OMGWTF_BBQ said:
I swore Juice Defender only works with GSM and not CDMA.
It even say this when you go to download the app. Although I did just google it an apparently people have it going on the Motorola Droid rooted.
Who with Android experience wants to prove this?
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+1 I thought this was the case too. i unchecked the data option. It's been a full day and no reboots
I'm running Juice Defender today and my battery life seems even worse. I'm talking 20-25% drop per hour.
SOMETHING is wrong here.
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I have this option unchecked and not only has my battery life improved, but I don't notice any performance or stability issues.
Also, my data continues to download in the background as normal (regardless of whether the screen is on or off). I have Facebook and Twitter set to download data every so often and it continues to do so. Even Google Voice will notify me of messages even if the screen is off.
I think what this option does is, when checked, makes the radio work hard to find and keep a data connection (especially in low signal areas). I notice that with the option unchecked, my data connection drops a bit more often than with it on. I don't mind that though seeing that the data connection simply reconnects automatically and almost instantly.
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The option is not meant to enable/disable applications from using the data connection when the screen is off, so applications should be able to continue updating.
What the option is meant to do is to determine whether your phone should maintain data connectivity all the time, even when there are no apps using data. Unchecking the option means that when an app needs data, it must first connect, then make its request. This makes it take a little longer (or maybe a lot longer for 4G which seems to take longer to initialize a connection).
Hello,
Title says it all...
I would notice overnight that my battery would be completely horizontal (no drop) and thought it was the combination of SETCPU and JuiceDefender (night profile + screen off drop mhz).
But, after unisntalling them, I noticed the same "flat line" at night and also achieved over 30 hours of battery life.
My question is... do these apps really make a difference on our phones?
Or, are the phones advanced enough to handle everything just fine?
your thoughts are appreciated.
I agree... I got about 27 hours of life out of my battery without set cpu or JD (i've never liked JD anyway because its like putting my kid on riddlin)
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My question is... do these apps really make a difference on our phones?
Or, are the phones advanced enough to handle everything just fine?
your thoughts are appreciated.
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Which version of JD are you using? If you have the Plus or Ultimate version, you can probably still gain some benefit, but you need to learn how to custom configure the settings so that you use the ones that are still relevant. For example:
Where Not Helpful: JD will turn off your GPS if an application isn't using it, but most of today's phones will do that anyway.
Where Helpful:: In advanced settings, you can provide a 'night schedule', wherein during this time, JD will disable mobile data, and thus polling, so your phone will not go out and check for mail, FB messages, Tweets, etc. Otherwise, mobile data is off unless you 'wake' the screen for some reason. Or another feature that 'trains' your wi-fi to only activate when you are at home or a 'recognized' wi-fi spot. These are a couple examples, there are others.
Where it MAY be Helpful: JD can disable mobile data for a custom # of minutes (10/15/30/60) and prevent background sync during those periods. It will awake, allow the sync, then turn mobile data off. Now some apps may only sync in these intervals anyway, but unless they're all syncing at the same time, you could have lots of 'up' time. Some of this may not 'wake' your phone from Deep Sleep, but depending on how sloppy the code is, it might.
Hope this helps.
h20wakebum said:
Hello,
Title says it all...
I would notice overnight that my battery would be completely horizontal (no drop) and thought it was the combination of SETCPU and JuiceDefender (night profile + screen off drop mhz).
But, after unisntalling them, I noticed the same "flat line" at night and also achieved over 30 hours of battery life.
My question is... do these apps really make a difference on our phones?
Or, are the phones advanced enough to handle everything just fine?
your thoughts are appreciated.
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I think really depends on the ROM you are running. ViperROM has a script that changes the CPU speed and governer on the fly. So no need for SetCPU there. I'd say Juice Defender can still come in handy with turning data off when you aren't using it.
My 2 cents. Your results may vary.
Capp5050 said:
Which version of JD are you using? If you have the Plus or Ultimate version, you can probably still gain some benefit, but you need to learn how to custom configure the settings so that you use the ones that are still relevant. For example:
Where Not Helpful: JD will turn off your GPS if an application isn't using it, but most of today's phones will do that anyway.
Where Helpful:: In advanced settings, you can provide a 'night schedule', wherein during this time, JD will disable mobile data, and thus polling, so your phone will not go out and check for mail, FB messages, Tweets, etc. Otherwise, mobile data is off unless you 'wake' the screen for some reason. Or another feature that 'trains' your wi-fi to only activate when you are at home or a 'recognized' wi-fi spot. These are a couple examples, there are others.
Where it MAY be Helpful: JD can disable mobile data for a custom # of minutes (10/15/30/60) and prevent background sync during those periods. It will awake, allow the sync, then turn mobile data off. Now some apps may only sync in these intervals anyway, but unless they're all syncing at the same time, you could have lots of 'up' time. Some of this may not 'wake' your phone from Deep Sleep, but depending on how sloppy the code is, it might.
Hope this helps.
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I use ultimate. I did run a night schedule, but that kind of points back to my original observation... I'd have night setup from 11pm - 7am and see a horizontal line for battery during this time (wow JD is really working)... BUT, with it uninstalled, during the same period of time 11pm - 7am my battery was also horizontal line... So did it really do anything? I'm on wifi at my house so when I'm sleeping the phone is wifi and not constantly pinging the mobile network (does that make a diff. being on wifi)?
I also did like the wifi only when home setting.
With ViperRom, I probably don't need set CPU anymore... Maybe i'll throw JD back on.
One question.. were you running the beta JD? I noticed the beta would always throw errors in the log stating i needed to uninstall, reboot, reinstall (I never did) anyone else have that happen?
These numbers sound like you have the radio off and don't turn your display on. Pretty amazing numbers otherwise. Would love to know the rom + kernal you're using
edit: I see the post above you mention viperrom. Typically if you have data turned off and display off any device will last days. My OG evo lasts for around 48 hours just sitting there. Still really impressive if you're using your phone within that 30 hours
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One question.. were you running the beta JD? I noticed the beta would always throw errors in the log stating i needed to uninstall, reboot, reinstall (I never did) anyone else have that happen?
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I've never tried the beta; I started with standard, upgraded to Premium, then eventually upgraded to Ultimate (I use the 'Customize' setting, but rarely the 'Advanced' config).
I hear ya on the night-time wi-fi thing. But with this particular phone (and before I rooted and changed ROM/Kernel), on some nights I would be connected to wi-fi and get ZERO CPU sleep time, other nights it would sleep - I have no idea why. It is conceivable that if the only polling your doing is e.g., Gmail, that either it doesn't happen at night, or it happens in such a way as to not knock the phone out of sleep (it IS Google's OS after all).
On a related note, I'm using K-9 mail (my primary mail is Yahoo); it throws wake-locks all the time (set to poll every 15 minutes), but they don't seem to impact battery life or take the device out of deep sleep which is why I suggested that case above.
One other item I like about JD is the ability to permission each and every app for wireless/network access; obviously mail, calendar, phone, etc. need it, but some apps simply don't, and I've been surprised when I set it to 'notify' and some random game pops up seeking network access. Looking for an update? who knows, but I lock 'em down anyway.
AC
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These numbers sound like you have the radio off and don't turn your display on. Pretty amazing numbers otherwise. Would love to know the rom + kernal you're using
edit: I see the post above you mention viperrom. Typically if you have data turned off and display off any device will last days. My OG evo lasts for around 48 hours just sitting there. Still really impressive if you're using your phone within that 30 hours
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I do not turn off data/radio (no airplane mode).
I'm running ViperRom 2.2 with the latest loskernal experimental.
My display was on for roughly 2 hours (again, just used it as i happened to during the course of the day) and data was on.
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I've never tried the beta; I started with standard, upgraded to Premium, then eventually upgraded to Ultimate (I use the 'Customize' setting, but rarely the 'Advanced' config).
I hear ya on the night-time wi-fi thing. But with this particular phone (and before I rooted and changed ROM/Kernel), on some nights I would be connected to wi-fi and get ZERO CPU sleep time, other nights it would sleep - I have no idea why. It is conceivable that if the only polling your doing is e.g., Gmail, that either it doesn't happen at night, or it happens in such a way as to not knock the phone out of sleep (it IS Google's OS after all).
On a related note, I'm using K-9 mail (my primary mail is Yahoo); it throws wake-locks all the time (set to poll every 15 minutes), but they don't seem to impact battery life or take the device out of deep sleep which is why I suggested that case above.
One other item I like about JD is the ability to permission each and every app for wireless/network access; obviously mail, calendar, phone, etc. need it, but some apps simply don't, and I've been surprised when I set it to 'notify' and some random game pops up seeking network access. Looking for an update? who knows, but I lock 'em down anyway.
AC
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Interesting thing is with the latest JD build it has the bluetooth settings, so i can leave my headset paired, but the phone disconnects while not on a call and then when i get a call, it turns on... kinda cool.
In regards to the permissions... do i need to give the email applications permission for enable/screen off? (so that I'll still get the notifs?) or just enable (as in when screen on).
thanks,
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Leaving my OP in place, but I have rewritten the description with much more detail and pics here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25401417#post25401417
I suggest skipping to there.
I am looking for general tips here. E.g., not asking you to diagnose my specific problem so much as give me ideas of what else to check or try.
Lately I have had unexplained (to me) battery drain. Yesterday I lost about 25 percent in an hour while the phone idled. It is not a constant thing, though. I can go an hour and loose 1 percent then loose massive amounts in the next hour.
Now, i have searched, but I have not found anything that applies to me.
I have:
Tried a different radio
Tried a different kernel
Reflashed my rom
Phone is entering deep sleep according to cpu spy
There are no unusual or excessive wake locks according to better battery stats
No apps are using a lot of battery.
I am in a low signal area at work, but putting the phone in airplane mode and dissabling background syn does not stop the drain.
Ideas?
might be your phone is loosing signal? i would check the battery stats in the settings menu to see if you have a poor mobile signal.
Zepius said:
might be your phone is loosing signal? i would check the battery stats in the settings menu to see if you have a poor mobile signal.
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beren28 said:
I am in a low signal area at work, but putting the phone in airplane mode and dissabling background syn does not stop the drain.
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So I don't think I can blame it on that.
Do you have any exchange sync on your phone?
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can you give us screen shots of battery stats?
Herman76 said:
Do you have any exchange sync on your phone?
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I do, and on reflection it is a possible culprit since I added it recently.
Didn't occur to me since it was producing no wakelocks and the battery stats did not showing as using much battery.
I shall turn it off for a bit and see if that helps. (unless there is some other way to test if it is the problem first.) I am off to the search button!
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This is from yesterday when i set it down unused for about 90 minutes. The amount of wakes seems liek a lot, but it is similar to what i see when i have far far less drain, so I don't think that is the problem. I didn't get the app list screen, but out should screen as the only major drain with about 2 minutes.
I know it is shows poor signal strength, so immediately after that shot I put it in airplane mode, turned of sync, and rebooted. The battery continued to drain and graph had the exact same slope under those conditions. (Forget to get a pic though.)
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System panel paid version with monitoring enabled is the best for tracking apps using CPU.
OK, still working on this.
To recap:
When the screen is off, and no apps are running I sometimes get inexplicable battery drain. This is occurring under conditions when I should be experiencing little or no drain at all. I say this becuase:
The screen is of and no bakground apps are running
the phone is NOT awake and IS entering deep sleep (as confirmed by cpuspy)
there are no unusual kernel or partial wake locks
there are no apps listed as using unexpected ammounts of battery
This is not a universal problem. The phone *often* behaves as expected. I can leave the phone off for an hour and see a 1% or 2% drain, and I am happy with that. However, sometimes, randomly, it goes nuts on my.
This graph from a few weeks ago shows what I mean. Look in the green box. The phone is sleeping, and the screen is off. The graph starts as a flatline, then, all of a sudden, it begins to drop precipitously.
Here is a graph that shows the battery dropping at the same rate whether the phone is awake or sleeping:
I have gone the following to try and narrow the problem down:
Done a completely fresh install of my Rom including a system wipe.
Tried two kernels (the aokp default and several relases of Franco's
Tried a different radio
Activated and installed a new sim card
I have come to suspect that the problem is network related. When the problem starts, sometimes going into airplane mode and back and/or toggling 2g only temporarily fixes the problem.
I suspect that something is happening with my connection to T-Mobile that keeps the network running and draining power. This is pure speculation, but it is all I can think of.
I installed juice defender (which I had not been previously running) and noticed the that, sometimes, it didn't turn of data when it should have. I also noticed the following two things happen:
I do not believe it is a rom problem, since if so, someone else would be reporting this. It might be an app problem, but if so the app is draining battery without a wake lock and while the phone is in deep sleep.
It is not exchange (as was suggested in this thread) since it continues when I ev my exchange account.
I have no idea what else to do or try.
Since it happens at random and takes a while to identify, uninstalling one app at a time to test for that could easily take months to narrow down a misbehaving app.
I know it is not a hardware issue since last month I got this:
That was with AOKP and Franco (earlier versions obviously)
I have google searched till my fingers bleed.
I am a long way form being an expert, and I suspect I may have overlooked something obvious.
Please, any thoughts??
Damn you definitely have a major issue and I don't know what it could be. But when my phone sleeps itstays dead flat with no awake bars, and drops 1% every 3 hours.
1. Calibrate battery
2. If you really wanna find the problem, install the rom with no mods or apps and run it and see if it still happens. Then add back each mod/app one at a time
derekwilkinson said:
1. Calibrate battery
2. If you really wanna find the problem, install the rom with no mods or apps and run it and see if it still happens. Then add back each mod/app one at a time
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While I appreciate your effort, this is remarkable unhelpful for the following reasons:
1. "calibrating" the battery is a myth and doesn't actually do something. Even if it did, it would not explain the symptoms I have described. I have been around xda long enough to know it is the knee-jerk reaction to any battery question, but it is not relevant here.
2. Since the problem occurs at random, and sometimes takes hours to show up, (For instance, last night I charged to full and tried to catch it happening. For 4 hours nothing happened, it behaved perfectly. Then I went to bed and it immediately started to fall and was dead by morning) and since I have over 100 apps, your suggestion could easily take *over a year* to follow. Believe me, I have thought about it, but I started this thread hoping for ideas that would allow me to avoid it.
Here is that chart for last night.
I had about 1 hour and 30 minutes screen on time with 65% left when I went to bed. When I woke up, phone was dead.
RogerPodacter said:
Damn you definitely have a major issue and I don't know what it could be. But when my phone sleeps itstays dead flat with no awake bars, and drops 1% every 3 hours.
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Mine often does that. But sometimes it doesn't. It is the fact that it happens seemingly at random that makes it so annoying and hard to track down.
I would replace the battery
One thing you haven't rulled out is that the battery itself is bad.
Have a friend you could swap with for a day, or at least long enough to see if the problem follows? If your battery drops on their phone that is also a good indication.
arw01 said:
One thing you haven't rulled out is that the battery itself is bad.
Have a friend you could swap with for a day, or at least long enough to see if the problem follows? If your battery drops on their phone that is also a good indication.
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The thought has occurred to me, but unfortunately, no, I don't have a friend I can swap with. And really, since I have had the phone less than 3 months, the battery *shouldn't* be bad, but yeah, defective products happen.
If I cannot find any other cause I will likely order a new battery and see if that fixes it.
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While I appreciate your effort, this is remarkable unhelpful for the following reasons:
1. "calibrating" the battery is a myth and doesn't actually do something. Even if it did, it would not explain the symptoms I have described. I have been around xda long enough to know it is the knee-jerk reaction to any battery question, but it is not relevant here.
2. Since the problem occurs at random, and sometimes takes hours to show up, (For instance, last night I charged to full and tried to catch it happening. For 4 hours nothing happened, it behaved perfectly. Then I went to bed and it immediately started to fall and was dead by morning) and since I have over 100 apps, your suggestion could easily take *over a year* to follow. Believe me, I have thought about it, but I started this thread hoping for ideas that would allow me to avoid it.
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1. yes battery calibration does make a difference.
2. ok, so an app can't run a process at random? especially when you have "over 100 apps"? Run the rom stock and see if it still happens, or even run the stock rom/kernel. if you don't want to try this then why are you asking for suggestions? christ
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1. yes battery calibration does make a difference.
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You are incorrect. But, in any case, I DID calibrate the battery just to cover bases in the case that I was wrong.
2. ok, so an app can't run a process at random? especially when you have "over 100 apps"?
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We'll of course it can. That is kinda my point. If I go one app at a time waiting for it to "run a process at random" I am talking literally MONTHS of testing. I would have to wait many hours, if not days after installing or uninstalling an app to be sure whether or not it made a difference, then move on the the next. This is simply not an option. I started this thread in hopes that a realistic and doable solution might exist that I was unaware of.
Run the rom stock and see if it still happens, or even run the stock rom/kernel. if you don't want to try this then why are you asking for suggestions? christ
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I am asking because there may be a solution that I am unaware of that doesn't require me to put my entire life on hold for months. It is possible that there is no such solution, but I asked in case there was one.
Sorry to have put you out so much.
You mentioned you recently installed exchange sync. Did turning off sync remedy this or have you not tried disabling all sync features?
One other thing to check is the background data usage of your apps. You'd find this under 'data usage' and make sure you enable the wifi tab so you can see data usage on wifi.
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You mentioned you recently installed exchange sync. Did turning off sync remedy this or have you not tried disabling all sync features?
when i did a complete quote and re flash i did not setup the exchange account, but the issue continued.
One other thing to check is the background data usage of your apps. You'd find this under 'data usage' and make sure you enable the wifi tab so you can see data usage on wifi.
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I'll check that out. Thanks.
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My battery also drains at a rate similar to yours however I'm on the CDMA version. Hopefully you can figure out what's going on with yours.