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I am on a quest for the perfect treadmill computing platform (so I'm not sitting on my arse ALL day), so I can stay connected and work while I exercise. Currently I use the HTC Advantage, bluetooth keyboard, external display optional.
This would be even better with an "air" mouse- like the gyrate (http://archive.gamespy.com/hardware/march03/pv2/index3.shtml) or new logitech (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/3443&cl=us,enhttp://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/3443&cl=us,en).
Anyone know if either of these, something similar, or anything else non-surface-dependent (trackball?) can run on Windows Mobile?
thanks in advance.
hcd2
Since I'm a consultant specialized in custom sulution, I would recomend you looking into the iGo Stowaway BT Mouse (http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=147202)...
whitch you could "easely" make into a trackball by turning it upside down and attach a rubberball.. or something.
=)
What a project! Have you got any photos?
what type of pointing device is irelevant tackball, mouse ........
the pda only see the driver it's transparent to it what is feeding the driver with directions
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what type of pointing device is irelevant tackball, mouse ........
the pda only see the driver it's transparent to it what is feeding the driver with directions
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Hum? I'm sorry, didn't quite got what you meant by that? - I've tried to connect other bluetooth mouses with the ppc-driver without success..
@foaf: I don't know if you were talking about me, but I've never done this myself (yet anyway).. the thought about a upsidedown optical mouse firrst surficed when a client wanted something simular to the "virtusphere" ( http://www.virtusphere.com/ ) for an exhibit.. but the client dropped before I had a chance to try my idea...
// Ludvig "LOMF" Fjell
hi there
i wondered if someone can make some virtual buttons and nav pad at the bottom of screen so that we can use it in games and other programs
cause all u know that the devise realy lacks the d-pad!!
(something like what HD has in its standard keyboard but more applicable)
for example make a virtual input keyboard but without any alphabetic buttons! instead only nav and some big usefull buttons!
it would make a real change in hd's programing and gameing!!!
thanx in advance
i put some pics for an idea !! sorry for bad quality
thats no problem... emulators have that. problem is that the touch hd don't have multitouch... you have the choice... move ... or jump! that means no jumping forward with sonic or mario...
navigationkeyboard is already integrated in touchpal 3.5.
Ohhh, and this whole time I thought the only thing stopping people from playing games which require hardware input was the lack of a decent software input! Does this mean that the HD will never be able to play games which require more than one input at the same time e.g. racing games (accelerate and steering for example)?
That is such a shame
volume up = speed
volume down = break
virtual touch pad = driving around
See this thread for a great work-in-progress to address this issue
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=466002
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volume up = speed
volume down = break
virtual touch pad = driving around
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Never thought of that! Does that mean you could run a game at VGA resolution with the virtual D-Pad at the bottom of the screen (480x160 pixels)?
Can I say bluetooth gamepad?
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/12/bgp100_bluetooth_gamepad_for_phones.html
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Can I say bluetooth gamepad?
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/12/bgp100_bluetooth_gamepad_for_phones.html
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whu pay 88$ when you can pay less... just found this on a quick ebay search
that's not just for games!! it's needed in every program like file explorer and etc. to navigate through files!! u cant select a file with fingers without being run! or while typing or etc.
i know the org. keyboard has it ,but something more comfortable!! dude!
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Can I say bluetooth gamepad?
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/12/bgp100_bluetooth_gamepad_for_phones.html
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The Touch HD won't fit in that chainpus gamepad unless you chop it apart and mod it to extend further. I saw a thread somewhere else where someone did that, but that's way beyond my ability. I'm considering a Wii controller. Would just need some way to attach it. Maybe just a small clipboard to rest them both on or something.
defcon2000 said:
thats no problem... emulators have that. problem is that the touch hd don't have multitouch... you have the choice... move ... or jump! that means no jumping forward with sonic or mario...
navigationkeyboard is already integrated in touchpal 3.5.
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No and no.
It is a problem. It is in emulators (i have myself draw dpad in morphgear) but it doesnt exist for normal VGA games.
and you are wrong about that multitouch problem. There can be place between up arrow and right arrow which will work as right up button. Also if you click on 2 places on HD, it will touch the centre of the points you touched, so it is basically multitouch
Well maybe with the increasing number of these devices having larger screens and no physical buttons someone will start coming out with more controllers.
What about an analogue slider input, like the joystick on the PSP? IMO that would be really cool.
Is is possible to do multi-touch in HD?? Coz if it is possible, it would be excellent. Getting better than iphone OS
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Is is possible to do multi-touch in HD?? Coz if it is possible, it would be excellent. Getting better than iphone OS
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In short, no.
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In short, no.
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Thats not correct because somewhere here on the forum I have seen a gameboy emulator software for the Touch HD with Multitouch support and all people says there that it works perfect!
If I´ve time I´ll look for a link to this thread later!
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There are some pseudo multi-touch apps out there that mimic the effect of multi-touch:
basically if you pressed both edges of the screen windows records a keypress somewhere in the middle
so if you had a four way d-pad arrangement with a couple of fire buttons you can 'sort of' emulate multi-touch by capturing a press that registers inbetween say the up and fire button.
see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=489147
i have even managed to reproduce this simple behaviour in a .net test app.
i also read an article where the hardware of the G1 (yes i know that not a touch HD) was multi-touch capable but the device driver for the screen was not and some clever chappy was attempting to write a driver that would give the point pressed and a radius allowing the 'pinch' style zoom gesture of the fruitPhone.
and if you google for that there are several other even more successful attempts at bringing multi-touch to the G1.
it seems that with that phone the initial limiting factor was actually the OS not supporting multi-touch
winMo also does not support multi-touch....
so this begs the question is the HD hardware capable with a little device driver / OS hacking ???????
anyone????
The game emulator only simulates multi-touch by averaging the point between your two touches. So touching the left side of the screen and the right side of the screen registers as touching in the middle of the screen.
This works for the game emulator (Morphgear is the one they've done this with) because you can make virtual game pads that have hidden buttons. So touching on the virtual up button and touching the virtual A button registers as touching in between them allowing you to have a hidden virtual button at that spot that does the up+jump action.
It's not real mutli-touch, but very well done and handy for that specific purpose.
edit: Beat me by seconds, purec0de
silf there is the search function anyway eh
I know that it is kinda possible, but you've all said "emulates" & "simulates". Thus it not true multi touch like the iphone.
Please remember this is the same guy asking if we can install OSX on the touch HD.
So far, the answer is a simple "no" (e.g.: ditto to jake_tenfloors)
Remember that the HD has a resistive screen whereas the iPhone has a capacitive screen.
There are rumours of companies developing drivers and software packages to get a true multi-touch for resistive screens, however, Windows Mobile 6 (including 6.1, 6.5) doesn't have support for multi-touch.
So unfortunately for us HD users (or Diamond or devices without hardware buttons), we'll have to make do without.
why would you want to install osx on the hd. would you not just buy an iphone or as so perfectly described in a previous post, fruitPhone.
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so this begs the question is the HD hardware capable with a little device driver / OS hacking ???????
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Simply: No.
dlaponin said:
why would you want to install osx on the hd. would you not just buy an iphone or as so perfectly described in a previous post, fruitPhone.
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Coz iphone has terrible hardware specification compare to HD.....
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Is is possible to do multi-touch in HD?? Coz if it is possible, it would be excellent. Getting better than iphone OS
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No, however I made proof of concept software which emulates some multitouch features on any single touch screen. You can zoom in/out by pinching as well as rotate objects. It can also recognize whether you are touching with just one finger or two. So for example you can pan picture around with one finger and skip to next picture if you drag it with two fingers. This is not hw specific and works on ANY single touch device, including touchpad on your laptop and various touch screen computers.
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No, however I made proof of concept software which emulates some multitouch features on any single touch screen. You can zoom in/out by pinching as well as rotate objects. It can also recognize whether you are touching with just one finger or two. So for example you can pan picture around with one finger and skip to next picture if you drag it with two fingers. This is not hw specific and works on ANY single touch device, including touchpad on your laptop and various touch screen computers.
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any chance of posting this for us to play with??
+1 I too would like to have such a thing, even if its only for album.
hi mate i agree with purec0de...is there a chance of posting this simply because it sounds like a very nice piece of software and we would be very grateful if you choose to share it.
thx in advance if u plan to post
I too wrote a limited multitouch (MT) demo but the problem was how to map it into existing programs... there are no standard event handlers for MT in current WiMo... this changes with WiMo 7.0 next year. Bottom line you can write a custom application that does a pretty good job of acting like its MT but it is a stand-alone application (read: does not integrate with HTC Album etc)
Please post this multitouch Demos... it would be realy nice to test it
My back hurts because I have to lean over my laptop in order to type on the keyboard. I was wondering if there is app like MobileSRC except that it lets me use the physical keyboard to type instaed of the virtual keyboard?
You want to use the Xperia keyboard to drive your laptop and not the laptop keyboard to drive your Xperia?
Move your laptop and save you back
I do it the oppostie way, use my laptop keyboard & my mobiler to enter data, send texts etc on the Xperia. It's kinder to my fingers, eyes and back.
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You want to use the Xperia keyboard to drive your laptop and not the laptop keyboard to drive your Xperia?
Move your laptop and save you back
I do it the oppostie way, use my laptop keyboard & my mobiler to enter data, send texts etc on the Xperia. It's kinder to my fingers, eyes and back.
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Well you don't understand. You are not me to feel my kind of empathy. The desk in which I use is terribly short and my office chair is an old design which is
probably 10 years old. I literally have to transform into a hunchback if I were to type.
That's no good, we have laws here to protect us from that sort of stuff. It must be bad if you'd be more porductive using the Xperia keyboard. A USB keyboard for the laptop would be no good?
I've not seen software to do what you want. Only the media player remotes etc.
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That's no good, we have laws here to protect us from that sort of stuff. It must be bad if you'd be more porductive using the Xperia keyboard. A USB keyboard for the laptop would be no good?
I've not seen software to do what you want. Only the media player remotes etc.
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SteveTLS, I am not talking about the workplace or school. In my school it the chairs are comfortable and studying is like heaven. But at home it is a totally different situation!
Oops, my bad. I was thinking of work not home, sorry about that.
That My Mobiler is great....I didn't know about that program
Tony
Search for nue USB keyboard
AnthonyByrne said:
That My Mobiler is great....I didn't know about that program
Tony
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That only let's you control the phone...
akp99 said:
Search for nue USB keyboard
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Thanks
try "salling clicker" and look for htc tytn II script on their forums. If You shall struggle finding the script I can post it for You in the evening, as I am far afk today.
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try "salling clicker" and look for htc tytn II script on their forums. If You shall struggle finding the script I can post it for You in the evening, as I am far afk today.
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nueUSB keyboard works perfect actually...you should try it. Freaking A+ Mazing.
Did you mean to say that you require a script from XDA to enable the keyboard with this app?
well... all I am saying is, that this script is called that way, but works on most of htc made qwerty devices. the main advantage of salling clicker is that it works over wifi or bt (Your choice).
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well... all I am saying is, that this script is called that way, but works on most of htc made qwerty devices. the main advantage of salling clicker is that it works over wifi or bt (Your choice).
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can I have the script?
sure... http://www.salling.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6506
this one is on android but single touch device:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7jgOibdIfM
htc hero multi touch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AgEjBIt1d8&NR=1&feature=fvwp
and im sure this dell is not multy touch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icOMJuuWePY
PLZ IF you find me a program or hack or browser that working on this trick on my Xperia x1
the trick is based on this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2HD3fUEKO8
after a big research i found the perfect program that can do the trick Iswish - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vPt7Mdm6vk
it have the ability of pinch to zoom
the problem is that i cant fond the download any of the versions...
plz find it!!!
He moves only one finger, so it's possible with some cleaver programming
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He moves only one finger, so it's possible with some cleaver programming
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i know that why i ask for any one to make a smart program!!!i think that program save the 1st touch then go to the second and x2 the middle kinda complicated
BUT SHOULD WORK
To my knowledge, some apps actually already use this technique. When you press two points on a screen, it takes the coordinates exactly in the middle and "presses" that. It doesn't work with a screen full of buttons though, as there might be another button where the "dummy" press occurs.
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To my knowledge, some apps actually already use this technique. When you press two points on a screen, it takes the coordinates exactly in the middle and "presses" that. It doesn't work with a screen full of buttons though, as there might be another button where the "dummy" press occurs.
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which apps plzz tell me
i think if some one can make a program that save the 1st touch then the others will be the zoomand if the 1st spot is far from the middle and getin closer so its zoom out
HMMMM
dxdiadora said:
which apps plzz tell me
i think if some one can make a program that save the 1st touch then the others will be the zoomand if the 1st spot is far from the middle and getin closer so its zoom out
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Well....we know that Opera doesnt...and IE and Skyfire and so on....
Seems like those would be the only relavent apps right?
i mean for me the multitouch would be the most usefull in web browsing...not so much in any other programs...
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Well....we know that Opera doesnt...and IE and Skyfire and so on....
Seems like those would be the only relavent apps right?
i mean for me the multitouch would be the most usefull in web browsing...not so much in any other programs...
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For me its important too so plzz any one hack it or get at least 1 app that uses this trick it'll be the most useful app
ALL MULTI TOUCH APPS ARE WELCOME!!!
Jees. Calm down.
Yeah, you're getting a bit hyped there. Perhaps its time for you to get another phone?
Anyway, there was a GBA emulator around which used that, since you wouldn't be able to press both movement and something else at the same time. I have no idea where it is though - was months ago I saw it.
jea got this GBA prog but never played on touchscreen, opera with multitouch would be very fine, but the display of the xperia x1 is to small for that aktion by using fingers... thats my point of view, but i thougt that the hardkeyboard is to small to type, too. and i was wrong
so it would be a nice gag to get opera browser with multitouch function..
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Yeah, you're getting a bit hyped there. Perhaps its time for you to get another phone?
Anyway, there was a GBA emulator around which used that, since you wouldn't be able to press both movement and something else at the same time. I have no idea where it is though - was months ago I saw it.
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can u plz tell me the name of that GBA emulator (i have meeboy emulator only gameboy color not advence)
NOTHIng metter just plzz share it or its name plzzz i soo need to have it
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can u plz tell me the name of that GBA emulator (i have meeboy emulator only gameboy color not advence)
NOTHIng metter just plzz share it or its name plzzz i soo need to have it
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No. Instead I'm going to ask you to read my post again: please read my post again.
how did you find it >>>> in that way find it again plzzzz i can google it for you and u tell me ok?windows mobile gba
Hi!
Please be careful not to make people crazy about a resistive touchscreen, to become a real multitouch with a piece of software.
A resitive touchscreen like on the Xperia is not like the capacitive ones.
There is simply a physical limit.
Please get yourself a little background about these technologies.
When you press two points on a screen, it takes the coordinates exactly in the middle and "presses" that.
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Angelusz is absolutely right. Nothing more nothing less!
With a resisitive touchscreen, you can sample only one "touch" at one moment in time.
It doesn't work with a screen full of buttons though, as there might be another button where the "dummy" press occurs.
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I won't doubt that some tricky programmers may use the effect, to get something like a multitouch feeling, but the real UI will never behave like it does e.g. on an iphone.
Please slow down dxdiadora
Regards,
scholbert
scholbert said:
Hi!
Please be careful not to make people crazy about a resistive touchscreen, to become a real multitouch with a piece of software.
A resitive touchscreen like on the Xperia is not like the capacitive ones.
There is simply a physical limit.
Please get yourself a little background about these technologies.
Angelusz is absolutely right. Nothing more nothing less!
With a resisitive touchscreen, you can sample only one "touch" at one moment in time.
I won't doubt that some tricky programmers may use the effect, to get something like a multitouch feeling, but the real UI will never behave like it does e.g. on an iphone.
Please slow down dxdiadora
Regards,
scholbert
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thnx for the information about multitouch but can u plz think about my idea :
to make a prog that:
1.take your first touch save it while you still thouching it you touch somewhere els and "it presses the middle of them " then if you move your finger then the middle moves and the prog will chek if it is closer to the 1st point that he saved so it zoom in the first point you pressed
i know that it cant be like iphone but plzz can u try this trick?? ill be so pleased
thnxxx for helping anyway
As far as I know. and I am really sure about this.. You cant use Multi touch on the x1. like. never unless you changed the touch panel on the phone it self or something like that.
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You know what?? I've decided to shut up. it's a shame really that op is making such a big deal out of this crap. multitouch on resistive? ok.
now cool down a bit, otherwise You may jizz in Your pants...
problem with your idea is that, it doesnt see the first finger placement, the sensors are in the corners , so it doesn't tell where you press, but the dead center of pressure, and it counts that as one press, not two separate finger positions. That being said, there is no possible way for it to save the first press, because the first press doesn't actually exist
iswish
can some1 find the software any cab of this iswish please
i realy want the pinch to zoom !!!!!
Check this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=593290
And oh how close to home
SEARCH!!
booya