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HD's virtual touch pad?!

hi there
i wondered if someone can make some virtual buttons and nav pad at the bottom of screen so that we can use it in games and other programs
cause all u know that the devise realy lacks the d-pad!!
(something like what HD has in its standard keyboard but more applicable)
for example make a virtual input keyboard but without any alphabetic buttons! instead only nav and some big usefull buttons!
it would make a real change in hd's programing and gameing!!!
thanx in advance
i put some pics for an idea !! sorry for bad quality

thats no problem... emulators have that. problem is that the touch hd don't have multitouch... you have the choice... move ... or jump! that means no jumping forward with sonic or mario...
navigationkeyboard is already integrated in touchpal 3.5.

Ohhh, and this whole time I thought the only thing stopping people from playing games which require hardware input was the lack of a decent software input! Does this mean that the HD will never be able to play games which require more than one input at the same time e.g. racing games (accelerate and steering for example)?
That is such a shame

volume up = speed
volume down = break
virtual touch pad = driving around

See this thread for a great work-in-progress to address this issue
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=466002

NoModE said:
volume up = speed
volume down = break
virtual touch pad = driving around
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Never thought of that! Does that mean you could run a game at VGA resolution with the virtual D-Pad at the bottom of the screen (480x160 pixels)?

Can I say bluetooth gamepad?
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/12/bgp100_bluetooth_gamepad_for_phones.html

gadgetuk437 said:
Can I say bluetooth gamepad?
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/12/bgp100_bluetooth_gamepad_for_phones.html
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whu pay 88$ when you can pay less... just found this on a quick ebay search

that's not just for games!! it's needed in every program like file explorer and etc. to navigate through files!! u cant select a file with fingers without being run! or while typing or etc.
i know the org. keyboard has it ,but something more comfortable!! dude!

gadgetuk437 said:
Can I say bluetooth gamepad?
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/12/bgp100_bluetooth_gamepad_for_phones.html
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The Touch HD won't fit in that chainpus gamepad unless you chop it apart and mod it to extend further. I saw a thread somewhere else where someone did that, but that's way beyond my ability. I'm considering a Wii controller. Would just need some way to attach it. Maybe just a small clipboard to rest them both on or something.

defcon2000 said:
thats no problem... emulators have that. problem is that the touch hd don't have multitouch... you have the choice... move ... or jump! that means no jumping forward with sonic or mario...
navigationkeyboard is already integrated in touchpal 3.5.
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No and no.
It is a problem. It is in emulators (i have myself draw dpad in morphgear) but it doesnt exist for normal VGA games.
and you are wrong about that multitouch problem. There can be place between up arrow and right arrow which will work as right up button. Also if you click on 2 places on HD, it will touch the centre of the points you touched, so it is basically multitouch

Well maybe with the increasing number of these devices having larger screens and no physical buttons someone will start coming out with more controllers.

What about an analogue slider input, like the joystick on the PSP? IMO that would be really cool.

Iphone text zoom

Hi!
Does anyone know about an app or a program to Blackstone that can give us this effect?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a6zoVm3TS4

you've to buy an iphone if you want this i don't think this exist because f it was, xda's was publish it, maybe i'm false

Is not only that IPhone ZOOM I like.
what about the IPhone Browser zoom, has anyone got a solution for the HTC TOUCH HD?

No one's know?

hi everyone, i think the text zoom is possible but the browser and the picture zoom isn't, cause for the browser zoom you need to multi touch and our hd doesn't support that or am i wrong?

You'r right
PLEAS SOME1, MAKE US THE "IPHONE ZOOM" !
Its brilliant!

try vito zoomboard

akeemolee1 said:
try vito zoomboard
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No ! It sucks.
It would be wonderfull someone making this iPhone text zoom, but i am still thinking no one will succed making it,or it would already be out, cuz it's a GOOD point of the iPhone !

the htc touch diamond is multi touch , not much software for the function, but im sure its possible to make the app.

Multitouch is (kind of) possible on Windows Mobile.
When you tap at two points at the same time the press is recognized in the middle. Using this you can add fake multitouch. Here's a little example how it could look like
http://www.wikifortio.com/867906/Multitouch test.py
It's written in Python so you need Python CE with TkInterhttp://pythonce.sourceforge.net/
It is far from perfect because you can only move the second finger that you pressed and it's laggy(probably because of my programming abillitys) and it does nothing more than showing colored circles where you press.
But with the right programming knowledge you could make a zoom just like in the Iphone browser.

WM does not support multi-touch.

I only said something about fake multitouch

|28-nov_i-zoom|[Tricks and Tips] MULTI TOUCH with SINGLE TOUCH?!

this one is on android but single touch device:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7jgOibdIfM
htc hero multi touch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AgEjBIt1d8&NR=1&feature=fvwp
and im sure this dell is not multy touch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icOMJuuWePY
PLZ IF you find me a program or hack or browser that working on this trick on my Xperia x1
the trick is based on this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2HD3fUEKO8
after a big research i found the perfect program that can do the trick Iswish - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vPt7Mdm6vk
it have the ability of pinch to zoom
the problem is that i cant fond the download any of the versions...
plz find it!!!

He moves only one finger, so it's possible with some cleaver programming

3D-GRAF said:
He moves only one finger, so it's possible with some cleaver programming
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i know that why i ask for any one to make a smart program!!!i think that program save the 1st touch then go to the second and x2 the middle kinda complicated
BUT SHOULD WORK

To my knowledge, some apps actually already use this technique. When you press two points on a screen, it takes the coordinates exactly in the middle and "presses" that. It doesn't work with a screen full of buttons though, as there might be another button where the "dummy" press occurs.

Angelusz said:
To my knowledge, some apps actually already use this technique. When you press two points on a screen, it takes the coordinates exactly in the middle and "presses" that. It doesn't work with a screen full of buttons though, as there might be another button where the "dummy" press occurs.
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which apps plzz tell me
i think if some one can make a program that save the 1st touch then the others will be the zoomand if the 1st spot is far from the middle and getin closer so its zoom out

HMMMM
dxdiadora said:
which apps plzz tell me
i think if some one can make a program that save the 1st touch then the others will be the zoomand if the 1st spot is far from the middle and getin closer so its zoom out
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Well....we know that Opera doesnt...and IE and Skyfire and so on....
Seems like those would be the only relavent apps right?
i mean for me the multitouch would be the most usefull in web browsing...not so much in any other programs...

acidbath5546 said:
Well....we know that Opera doesnt...and IE and Skyfire and so on....
Seems like those would be the only relavent apps right?
i mean for me the multitouch would be the most usefull in web browsing...not so much in any other programs...
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For me its important too so plzz any one hack it or get at least 1 app that uses this trick it'll be the most useful app
ALL MULTI TOUCH APPS ARE WELCOME!!!

Jees. Calm down.

Yeah, you're getting a bit hyped there. Perhaps its time for you to get another phone?
Anyway, there was a GBA emulator around which used that, since you wouldn't be able to press both movement and something else at the same time. I have no idea where it is though - was months ago I saw it.

jea got this GBA prog but never played on touchscreen, opera with multitouch would be very fine, but the display of the xperia x1 is to small for that aktion by using fingers... thats my point of view, but i thougt that the hardkeyboard is to small to type, too. and i was wrong
so it would be a nice gag to get opera browser with multitouch function..

Angelusz said:
Yeah, you're getting a bit hyped there. Perhaps its time for you to get another phone?
Anyway, there was a GBA emulator around which used that, since you wouldn't be able to press both movement and something else at the same time. I have no idea where it is though - was months ago I saw it.
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can u plz tell me the name of that GBA emulator (i have meeboy emulator only gameboy color not advence)
NOTHIng metter just plzz share it or its name plzzz i soo need to have it

dxdiadora said:
can u plz tell me the name of that GBA emulator (i have meeboy emulator only gameboy color not advence)
NOTHIng metter just plzz share it or its name plzzz i soo need to have it
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No. Instead I'm going to ask you to read my post again: please read my post again.

how did you find it >>>> in that way find it again plzzzz i can google it for you and u tell me ok?windows mobile gba

Hi!
Please be careful not to make people crazy about a resistive touchscreen, to become a real multitouch with a piece of software.
A resitive touchscreen like on the Xperia is not like the capacitive ones.
There is simply a physical limit.
Please get yourself a little background about these technologies.
When you press two points on a screen, it takes the coordinates exactly in the middle and "presses" that.
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Angelusz is absolutely right. Nothing more nothing less!
With a resisitive touchscreen, you can sample only one "touch" at one moment in time.
It doesn't work with a screen full of buttons though, as there might be another button where the "dummy" press occurs.
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I won't doubt that some tricky programmers may use the effect, to get something like a multitouch feeling, but the real UI will never behave like it does e.g. on an iphone.
Please slow down dxdiadora
Regards,
scholbert

scholbert said:
Hi!
Please be careful not to make people crazy about a resistive touchscreen, to become a real multitouch with a piece of software.
A resitive touchscreen like on the Xperia is not like the capacitive ones.
There is simply a physical limit.
Please get yourself a little background about these technologies.
Angelusz is absolutely right. Nothing more nothing less!
With a resisitive touchscreen, you can sample only one "touch" at one moment in time.
I won't doubt that some tricky programmers may use the effect, to get something like a multitouch feeling, but the real UI will never behave like it does e.g. on an iphone.
Please slow down dxdiadora
Regards,
scholbert
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thnx for the information about multitouch but can u plz think about my idea :
to make a prog that:
1.take your first touch save it while you still thouching it you touch somewhere els and "it presses the middle of them " then if you move your finger then the middle moves and the prog will chek if it is closer to the 1st point that he saved so it zoom in the first point you pressed
i know that it cant be like iphone but plzz can u try this trick?? ill be so pleased
thnxxx for helping anyway

As far as I know. and I am really sure about this.. You cant use Multi touch on the x1. like. never unless you changed the touch panel on the phone it self or something like that.

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You know what?? I've decided to shut up. it's a shame really that op is making such a big deal out of this crap. multitouch on resistive? ok.
now cool down a bit, otherwise You may jizz in Your pants...

problem with your idea is that, it doesnt see the first finger placement, the sensors are in the corners , so it doesn't tell where you press, but the dead center of pressure, and it counts that as one press, not two separate finger positions. That being said, there is no possible way for it to save the first press, because the first press doesn't actually exist

iswish
can some1 find the software any cab of this iswish please
i realy want the pinch to zoom !!!!!

Check this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=593290
And oh how close to home
SEARCH!!
booya

[SDK] Dual-Touch SDK for Resistive Screens V1.0 Beta + Rotation Alpha + Demo App

Now supports Rotation, same download place. I hope to see Rotate To Unlock applications Soon
Now Demo Rotate To Exit Application available, Youtube Video
Greetings XDA,
Today i released the beta version of the SDK
In December last year, i posted an Alpha version of this SDK. Now it is mature enough to announce it as Beta. This SDK allows developers to build Dual-Touch enabled applications. so let’s get into action.
Features:
Pinch to Zoom Support
Drag (swipe) support.
Replacement events for the mouse move fires only when a single finger detected.
Multiple events based on gestures.
Performance optimized, memory footprint is minimal.
To use this SDK you will need Visual Studio Professional or better. start a new Smart Device Project, and add the SDK to your references.
The SDK is consists of only one object, which is DualTouchSDK. We will need one instance of this class for every control that supports pinch to zoom or drag in your application.
There are several methods, properties and events that can be utilized in order to achieve multitouch effect. i have done my best to make this as easy as possible, my code is now complex but it is necessary to achieve easy implementation.
More info and download with documentation is available here
http://www.windowsphoneme.com/?p=386

great works, looking for further implementations

nice, i hope you keep developing this

Great job, thanks!

I wonder if anyone started using the sdk to build an application, can you post here if you did start

demo app
anaadoul: When You write it You must test it too .. so what is the problem to release some demo app showing the possibilities and features of this solution ? You have some test code so publish it ..
For me it's very strange that You already do not do this.

porlock said:
anaadoul: When You write it You must test it too .. so what is the problem to release some demo app showing the possibilities and features of this solution ? You have some test code so publish it ..
For me it's very strange that You already do not do this.
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the only problem i have with the demo app is that i don't know how to create a hardware accelerated applications.
if i used the same old method (as the prealpha version), it's going to look slow and stuttery! while inface this has nothing to do with the SDK.
if you know how to build a hardware accelerated application please let's do it together.

I'm not sure i understand what do You mean " i don't know how to create a hardware accelerated applications", if that means You use a standard win mobile .net API ? if so please refer to this site.
IN THIS PLACE SHOUD BE LINK
damn i can't post links ... so please type it in google "khronos opengles 2"
for .Net wrapper, type in google
"Tiny Graphics Engine Tigre"
or
"koushik dutta net-compact-framework-wrapper"

I'm looking forward to this being implemented in games and such.
I'd love to see a screen unlocker that supports multi gestures "stretch to unlock" anyone?

I presume this only applies to HD2 as it has multi touch.

bteljuice said:
I presume this only applies to HD2 as it has multi touch.
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Im happy to say: NO
I've got the HD aka Blackstone and the Alpha release worked on mine HD.

bteljuice said:
I presume this only applies to HD2 as it has multi touch.
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How did you work that out? HD2 wouldnt need this cos it already supports dual touch? Right?

hd2 has a capactive screen, thus meaning it alreasy has multi touch!
us people on resistive screens however are stuck on single touch only, until now (hopefully )

The funny thing is that this wont run on the HD2!
When you press 2 points on a resistive screen, apps get the middle of those points. And that fact is used for this emulated dualtouch.
When you press 2 points on the capacitive screen of the HD2 apps(without multitouch support) get no mousedown at all(at least on my HD2).

Uppy said:
How did you work that out? HD2 wouldnt need this cos it already supports dual touch? Right?
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Thats why i said, I PRESUME. I am not sure, this is why I was asking.
I hope this project works Will be sooo happy

I'm not a programmer at all, but I'm curious from an electrcial standpoint, how the screen knows that your touching it at more than one point? I suppose with a normal resistive wire screen, you would get 3/4 minimum inputs, but with these "touchflo" screens..?
Just Curious.
Val

hi. Can anyone post one app made with this sdk so we can test it on our devices?
Thanks

Wow! I'm amazed at what I see everytime I get on XDA-Developers! I thought getting multi-touch on a resistive touch screen would be impossible! Excellent Work! People really need to start pumping out applications that can use this!

XanderCorp said:
Wow! I'm amazed at what I see everytime I get on XDA-Developers! I thought getting multi-touch on a resistive touch screen would be impossible! Excellent Work! People really need to start pumping out applications that can use this!
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same here. xda u rule and all of its members

Haha wow can't believe this is possible! Emulators would actually be playable like Mario and such, haha imagine the possibilities dude you rock!

[App]Multi 2.0 - Show and Explain Dual-Touch Technology On Resistive Screens

Multi 2.0 is an application that shows the Dual-Touch Technology and explain how it works!
[30,July 2010]explain more things about the Dual-Touch Technology.
downiel said:
... but when i press one of these two fingers a little bit stronger, the "Fake Point" is going crazy That does not appear when i am pressing with my nails, fortunately :d
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Click to see this picture,it may tell you something about it.:
Also
It's Not exactly on the GamePad that "You can ONLY MOVE the SECOND finger you put with your First finger FIXED!"
Just do these step by step,if you wanna understand what I mean:
1.Run this app and turn to "Gamepad" page
2.Press the left-button with a finger of your left hand
3.Press a round-button with a finger of your right hand
-Now You can only move your right-hand finger.
4.Release your left-hand finger.
5.Do as the Step 2 again.
-Now You can only move your left-hand finger.
That's all.
[Explanation]
After Releasing your first finger.The Fake Point inside would go out of the screen.
So the app knows that you have release your first finger.
And it would treat the Second Point as a New First Point.
It means that you can set a New Second Point again and move it.without releasing all your fingers!
[27,July 2010]VGA & WQVGA versions Available Now!
Features:
Picture - You can drag the picture with one finger or stylus and zoom the picture with two fingers[Pinch to Zoom]
GamePad - An On-Screen GamePad that support up to two pressed buttons!
Fact - To show how this application works inside.
Just download and run it without installing..
It may work on all WinMo with resistive screens.
need .NET CF 3.5/3.7 which I think you all know it.
Notice:
My English may be too suck to be understood.
Touch the screen with two fingers one by one but not at the same time!(You can do it quickly even it seems to be done at a time)
To zoom the picture,a gab of about 2cm between two fingers is needed when you start touching the screen!
A Chinese version of sentence for who may understand its translation better than the English version:想要缩放图片,两只手指在按下的时候必须有大约2cm的间距!
You can ONLY MOVE the SECOND finger you put with your First finger FIXED![Not exactly on the GamePad]
How it works?
See the "Fact" part of the application.
And touch the screen with two fingers(one by one).
You'll get three points:
Fixed Point - It is got when you put your First finger.
Real Point - It is truely detected by the hardware when two fingers are put.
Fake Point - where your second finger put.As a matter of fact,the hardware doesn't know anything of it.The position is worked out by the application.
How to get the Position of the second Finger?
NOTICE that when two or more fingers are put on the screen,the hardware would just get the Point in the central of shape which is made up by fingers' Positions.
So.Two fingers's positions(points) make a line.And the hardware gets the "Real Point" in the middle of the line.
Reversely think.We've got the First finger's Position and the Mid Position.
The Second Finger's Position should be in the direction opposite the First finger through the Mid Position.
PS
-This is my first post here.
-I know some members here has been developing the Multi-Touch(Dual-Touch) technology.But I had the idea of creating multi-touch application last year.
-The picture on the application written "Mobile 2.0" but not "Multi 2.0".It's a website[mobile20.com.cn] in China that make evaluations of mobile.The Chinese version of this application was released there on June 7,2010
-Sorry for my poor English..

Pretty interesting app just tested it on my wvga phone
But what really caught my eye was the gamepad thing. Would love to see this in morphgear so we have dualtouch which would make many games more playable.
Maybe I dream to much but still would be great

Do you have future projects for resistive screens now?

iceeyes91 said:
Pretty interesting app just tested it on my wvga phone
But what really caught my eye was the gamepad thing. Would love to see this in morphgear so we have dualtouch which would make many games more playable.
Maybe I dream to much but still would be great
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I'm willing to give the code to anyone who wants it.
(It's written in VB.NET)
But I really have to modify it.As the code is in a mess within some Chinese comments.
Maybe I'll write a 'GamePad'-only(or 'Picture'-only) program for developers.

zinconnu said:
Do you have future projects for resistive screens now?
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Maybe I'll release a dual-touch drum that called "Drum It!"
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I should have clicked MULTI-QUOTE..
But now I can't delete this post.

TangoChen said:
Maybe I'll release a dual-touch drum that called "Drum It!"
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Good idea, that will be funny! But i prefer the gamepad.

Hey,Ge Men,Nice work!

TangoChen said:
I'm willing to give the code to anyone who wants it.
(It's written in VB.NET)
But I really have to modify it.As the code is in a mess within some Chinese comments.
Maybe I'll write a 'GamePad'-only(or 'Picture'-only) program for developers.
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Wonderfull
Sadly I dunno anything about programming , so I can only support by testing/donating
Keep up the work, it would extend all my expection having dual touch on my phone

ghost_nup said:
Hey,Ge Men,Nice work!
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Hi.a Chinese guy.
I just couldn't understand what is 'Ge Men'.
But after searching for it on Google.It returns'您是不是要找： 哥们 各门 格门'
lol.It means man in Chinese.
iceeyes91 said:
Wonderfull
Sadly I dunno anything about programming , so I can only support by testing/donating
Keep up the work, it would extend all my expection having dual touch on my phone
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Thx!!But I haven't got a paypal account yet..It may takes one year till I'm 18 years old.

Great App! I have tested it on my Touch Pro (VGA Screen). In Gamepad mode I have only one round button but everything else worked good!
If both fingers are horizontal to the screen its pretty precise, if I have my fingers diagonal on the screen it differs much.
But: Thank you for your app, it shows that it is possible
Greets

The QVGA won't work on my kaiser .
The pinch zoom works though, Nice work!
The second finger on the screen is a bit off, from the fact tab, so that's why the gamepad doesn't work too well. It registers a press in another spot.

Which file do u use on VGA?
Multi2.0 QVGA.7z or Multi2.0 WVGA.7z ?

终于有中国的哥们发布强帖了~
终于有中国的哥们发布强帖了~

KobiP said:
Great App! I have tested it on my Touch Pro (VGA Screen). In Gamepad mode I have only one round button but everything else worked good!
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AdamiX said:
Which file do u use on VGA?
Multi2.0 QVGA.7z or Multi2.0 WVGA.7z ?
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Sorry for omitting the vga version!
And it's uploaded just now.
KobiP said:
If both fingers are horizontal to the screen its pretty precise, if I have my fingers diagonal on the screen it differs much.
But: Thank you for your app, it shows that it is possible
Greets
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Ya I found the problem,too.
And I thought it was the screen/hardware's problem.
Maybe I'll add a feature for a future project to adjust the value.
Thanks for reminding me!
nemuro said:
The QVGA won't work on my kaiser .
The pinch zoom works though, Nice work!
The second finger on the screen is a bit off, from the fact tab, so that's why the gamepad doesn't work too well. It registers a press in another spot.
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Oh.Thanks for reporting the problem!

This sounds great!
I hope you go on to make a gamepad to be used in emus, so that we can play the same games the HD2 does!

nice work.

Very good work! Gamepad works very well, resizing the image not as good, but that's also a great progress Maybe just my phone has this problem (Touch HD), but when i press one of these two fingers a little bit stronger, the "Fake Point" is going crazy That does not appear when i am pressing with my nails, fortunately :d
Sorry for my english and keep creating such a good applications! ;d

Any plans to work on a ..?
@TangoChen Any plans to work on a system–wide pinch to zoom solution? OndraSter has been workin' on one here, but has gone on holiday. Perhaps, you two should collaborate.

It would be great if you managed to replace the HD2's resources files and fool the entire system in thinking you actually have a capacitive screen.
The DLL (or any other kind of resource files, I didn't study this in detail, but for instance, just checking the "Pinch to zoom" menu in BSB Tweaks instantly crashes the HD ! ) could then be added in cooked ROMs and simulate the official "pinch to zoom" behavior...

thanks
that's great job