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Need Dpad for WVGAFIX3!!!!

Yesterday when playing Warcraft 2 on my HTC Touch HD, I felt a need for a DPAD cuz in big maps the camera is hard to control.
So could someone make a DPAD which is compatible with WVGAFIX3 (Dpad must be shown in the black bottom area)
This could not only be good for this game but then it will open the ability to play FPS on out TOUCH HDs in VGA mode with WVGAFIX3!

cmon people!!!!!!!!

Would love it too..

This would be awesome

Vijay is working on it.
You can search a little bit in this forum to have more infos.
Now, we have all to wait.

thierryb said:
Vijay is working on it.
You can search a little bit in this forum to have more infos.
Now, we have all to wait.
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Judging by the picture hes posted with his dpad-- hes working on a app which works in normal WVGA screen conditions at the bottom of screen.
But we need a dpad which is shown at the black bootom area of scree, when your screen resolution (with WVGAFIX3) is set to VGA(640X480)!!!!
look in the picture if you didnt understand:
the picture shows the black area and Warcraft 2 on THD

WE NEED DEVS!!!!!!
cmoon anyone, someone, please... :/

BUMP!!!!! cmooon ppl

i would love to see d-pad similar to this one from LG Arena look here:
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=reviewsimg/lg-km900-arena-preview/sshots/gsmarena_040.jpg
it does look very neat.

A lot of us want, But no one is willing to create it...
cmoon!!!!

one hope i see its practically posiible .......
so it will be a reality soon

Just a hint: You could use something like G-Controller to use the G-Sensor as a DPAD... Tilting the HD could scroll around the map!
Don't know, if it would work well... but it's worth a try!

Is is possible to do multi-touch in HD??

Is is possible to do multi-touch in HD?? Coz if it is possible, it would be excellent. Getting better than iphone OS

lunatic_silf said:
Is is possible to do multi-touch in HD?? Coz if it is possible, it would be excellent. Getting better than iphone OS
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In short, no.

jake_tenfloors said:
In short, no.
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Thats not correct because somewhere here on the forum I have seen a gameboy emulator software for the Touch HD with Multitouch support and all people says there that it works perfect!
If I´ve time I´ll look for a link to this thread later!

jake_tenfloors said:
In short, no.
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There are some pseudo multi-touch apps out there that mimic the effect of multi-touch:
basically if you pressed both edges of the screen windows records a keypress somewhere in the middle
so if you had a four way d-pad arrangement with a couple of fire buttons you can 'sort of' emulate multi-touch by capturing a press that registers inbetween say the up and fire button.
see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=489147
i have even managed to reproduce this simple behaviour in a .net test app.
i also read an article where the hardware of the G1 (yes i know that not a touch HD) was multi-touch capable but the device driver for the screen was not and some clever chappy was attempting to write a driver that would give the point pressed and a radius allowing the 'pinch' style zoom gesture of the fruitPhone.
and if you google for that there are several other even more successful attempts at bringing multi-touch to the G1.
it seems that with that phone the initial limiting factor was actually the OS not supporting multi-touch
winMo also does not support multi-touch....
so this begs the question is the HD hardware capable with a little device driver / OS hacking ???????
anyone????

The game emulator only simulates multi-touch by averaging the point between your two touches. So touching the left side of the screen and the right side of the screen registers as touching in the middle of the screen.
This works for the game emulator (Morphgear is the one they've done this with) because you can make virtual game pads that have hidden buttons. So touching on the virtual up button and touching the virtual A button registers as touching in between them allowing you to have a hidden virtual button at that spot that does the up+jump action.
It's not real mutli-touch, but very well done and handy for that specific purpose.
edit: Beat me by seconds, purec0de

silf there is the search function anyway eh

I know that it is kinda possible, but you've all said "emulates" & "simulates". Thus it not true multi touch like the iphone.
Please remember this is the same guy asking if we can install OSX on the touch HD.

So far, the answer is a simple "no" (e.g.: ditto to jake_tenfloors)
Remember that the HD has a resistive screen whereas the iPhone has a capacitive screen.
There are rumours of companies developing drivers and software packages to get a true multi-touch for resistive screens, however, Windows Mobile 6 (including 6.1, 6.5) doesn't have support for multi-touch.
So unfortunately for us HD users (or Diamond or devices without hardware buttons), we'll have to make do without.

why would you want to install osx on the hd. would you not just buy an iphone or as so perfectly described in a previous post, fruitPhone.

purec0de said:
so this begs the question is the HD hardware capable with a little device driver / OS hacking ???????
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Simply: No.

dlaponin said:
why would you want to install osx on the hd. would you not just buy an iphone or as so perfectly described in a previous post, fruitPhone.
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Coz iphone has terrible hardware specification compare to HD.....

lunatic_silf said:
Is is possible to do multi-touch in HD?? Coz if it is possible, it would be excellent. Getting better than iphone OS
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No, however I made proof of concept software which emulates some multitouch features on any single touch screen. You can zoom in/out by pinching as well as rotate objects. It can also recognize whether you are touching with just one finger or two. So for example you can pan picture around with one finger and skip to next picture if you drag it with two fingers. This is not hw specific and works on ANY single touch device, including touchpad on your laptop and various touch screen computers.

mcano said:
No, however I made proof of concept software which emulates some multitouch features on any single touch screen. You can zoom in/out by pinching as well as rotate objects. It can also recognize whether you are touching with just one finger or two. So for example you can pan picture around with one finger and skip to next picture if you drag it with two fingers. This is not hw specific and works on ANY single touch device, including touchpad on your laptop and various touch screen computers.
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any chance of posting this for us to play with??

+1 I too would like to have such a thing, even if its only for album.

hi mate i agree with purec0de...is there a chance of posting this simply because it sounds like a very nice piece of software and we would be very grateful if you choose to share it.
thx in advance if u plan to post

I too wrote a limited multitouch (MT) demo but the problem was how to map it into existing programs... there are no standard event handlers for MT in current WiMo... this changes with WiMo 7.0 next year. Bottom line you can write a custom application that does a pretty good job of acting like its MT but it is a stand-alone application (read: does not integrate with HTC Album etc)

Please post this multitouch Demos... it would be realy nice to test it

|28-nov_i-zoom|[Tricks and Tips] MULTI TOUCH with SINGLE TOUCH?!

this one is on android but single touch device:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7jgOibdIfM
htc hero multi touch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AgEjBIt1d8&NR=1&feature=fvwp
and im sure this dell is not multy touch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icOMJuuWePY
PLZ IF you find me a program or hack or browser that working on this trick on my Xperia x1
the trick is based on this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2HD3fUEKO8
after a big research i found the perfect program that can do the trick Iswish - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vPt7Mdm6vk
it have the ability of pinch to zoom
the problem is that i cant fond the download any of the versions...
plz find it!!!

He moves only one finger, so it's possible with some cleaver programming

3D-GRAF said:
He moves only one finger, so it's possible with some cleaver programming
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i know that why i ask for any one to make a smart program!!!i think that program save the 1st touch then go to the second and x2 the middle kinda complicated
BUT SHOULD WORK

To my knowledge, some apps actually already use this technique. When you press two points on a screen, it takes the coordinates exactly in the middle and "presses" that. It doesn't work with a screen full of buttons though, as there might be another button where the "dummy" press occurs.

Angelusz said:
To my knowledge, some apps actually already use this technique. When you press two points on a screen, it takes the coordinates exactly in the middle and "presses" that. It doesn't work with a screen full of buttons though, as there might be another button where the "dummy" press occurs.
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which apps plzz tell me
i think if some one can make a program that save the 1st touch then the others will be the zoomand if the 1st spot is far from the middle and getin closer so its zoom out

HMMMM
dxdiadora said:
which apps plzz tell me
i think if some one can make a program that save the 1st touch then the others will be the zoomand if the 1st spot is far from the middle and getin closer so its zoom out
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Well....we know that Opera doesnt...and IE and Skyfire and so on....
Seems like those would be the only relavent apps right?
i mean for me the multitouch would be the most usefull in web browsing...not so much in any other programs...

acidbath5546 said:
Well....we know that Opera doesnt...and IE and Skyfire and so on....
Seems like those would be the only relavent apps right?
i mean for me the multitouch would be the most usefull in web browsing...not so much in any other programs...
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For me its important too so plzz any one hack it or get at least 1 app that uses this trick it'll be the most useful app
ALL MULTI TOUCH APPS ARE WELCOME!!!

Jees. Calm down.

Yeah, you're getting a bit hyped there. Perhaps its time for you to get another phone?
Anyway, there was a GBA emulator around which used that, since you wouldn't be able to press both movement and something else at the same time. I have no idea where it is though - was months ago I saw it.

jea got this GBA prog but never played on touchscreen, opera with multitouch would be very fine, but the display of the xperia x1 is to small for that aktion by using fingers... thats my point of view, but i thougt that the hardkeyboard is to small to type, too. and i was wrong
so it would be a nice gag to get opera browser with multitouch function..

Angelusz said:
Yeah, you're getting a bit hyped there. Perhaps its time for you to get another phone?
Anyway, there was a GBA emulator around which used that, since you wouldn't be able to press both movement and something else at the same time. I have no idea where it is though - was months ago I saw it.
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can u plz tell me the name of that GBA emulator (i have meeboy emulator only gameboy color not advence)
NOTHIng metter just plzz share it or its name plzzz i soo need to have it

dxdiadora said:
can u plz tell me the name of that GBA emulator (i have meeboy emulator only gameboy color not advence)
NOTHIng metter just plzz share it or its name plzzz i soo need to have it
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No. Instead I'm going to ask you to read my post again: please read my post again.

how did you find it >>>> in that way find it again plzzzz i can google it for you and u tell me ok?windows mobile gba

Hi!
Please be careful not to make people crazy about a resistive touchscreen, to become a real multitouch with a piece of software.
A resitive touchscreen like on the Xperia is not like the capacitive ones.
There is simply a physical limit.
Please get yourself a little background about these technologies.
When you press two points on a screen, it takes the coordinates exactly in the middle and "presses" that.
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Angelusz is absolutely right. Nothing more nothing less!
With a resisitive touchscreen, you can sample only one "touch" at one moment in time.
It doesn't work with a screen full of buttons though, as there might be another button where the "dummy" press occurs.
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I won't doubt that some tricky programmers may use the effect, to get something like a multitouch feeling, but the real UI will never behave like it does e.g. on an iphone.
Please slow down dxdiadora
Regards,
scholbert

scholbert said:
Hi!
Please be careful not to make people crazy about a resistive touchscreen, to become a real multitouch with a piece of software.
A resitive touchscreen like on the Xperia is not like the capacitive ones.
There is simply a physical limit.
Please get yourself a little background about these technologies.
Angelusz is absolutely right. Nothing more nothing less!
With a resisitive touchscreen, you can sample only one "touch" at one moment in time.
I won't doubt that some tricky programmers may use the effect, to get something like a multitouch feeling, but the real UI will never behave like it does e.g. on an iphone.
Please slow down dxdiadora
Regards,
scholbert
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thnx for the information about multitouch but can u plz think about my idea :
to make a prog that:
1.take your first touch save it while you still thouching it you touch somewhere els and "it presses the middle of them " then if you move your finger then the middle moves and the prog will chek if it is closer to the 1st point that he saved so it zoom in the first point you pressed
i know that it cant be like iphone but plzz can u try this trick?? ill be so pleased
thnxxx for helping anyway

As far as I know. and I am really sure about this.. You cant use Multi touch on the x1. like. never unless you changed the touch panel on the phone it self or something like that.

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You know what?? I've decided to shut up. it's a shame really that op is making such a big deal out of this crap. multitouch on resistive? ok.
now cool down a bit, otherwise You may jizz in Your pants...

problem with your idea is that, it doesnt see the first finger placement, the sensors are in the corners , so it doesn't tell where you press, but the dead center of pressure, and it counts that as one press, not two separate finger positions. That being said, there is no possible way for it to save the first press, because the first press doesn't actually exist

iswish
can some1 find the software any cab of this iswish please
i realy want the pinch to zoom !!!!!

Check this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=593290
And oh how close to home
SEARCH!!
booya

[App]Multi 2.0 - Show and Explain Dual-Touch Technology On Resistive Screens

Multi 2.0 is an application that shows the Dual-Touch Technology and explain how it works!
[30,July 2010]explain more things about the Dual-Touch Technology.
downiel said:
... but when i press one of these two fingers a little bit stronger, the "Fake Point" is going crazy That does not appear when i am pressing with my nails, fortunately :d
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Click to see this picture,it may tell you something about it.:
Also
It's Not exactly on the GamePad that "You can ONLY MOVE the SECOND finger you put with your First finger FIXED!"
Just do these step by step,if you wanna understand what I mean:
1.Run this app and turn to "Gamepad" page
2.Press the left-button with a finger of your left hand
3.Press a round-button with a finger of your right hand
-Now You can only move your right-hand finger.
4.Release your left-hand finger.
5.Do as the Step 2 again.
-Now You can only move your left-hand finger.
That's all.
[Explanation]
After Releasing your first finger.The Fake Point inside would go out of the screen.
So the app knows that you have release your first finger.
And it would treat the Second Point as a New First Point.
It means that you can set a New Second Point again and move it.without releasing all your fingers!
[27,July 2010]VGA & WQVGA versions Available Now!
Features:
Picture - You can drag the picture with one finger or stylus and zoom the picture with two fingers[Pinch to Zoom]
GamePad - An On-Screen GamePad that support up to two pressed buttons!
Fact - To show how this application works inside.
Just download and run it without installing..
It may work on all WinMo with resistive screens.
need .NET CF 3.5/3.7 which I think you all know it.
Notice:
My English may be too suck to be understood.
Touch the screen with two fingers one by one but not at the same time!(You can do it quickly even it seems to be done at a time)
To zoom the picture,a gab of about 2cm between two fingers is needed when you start touching the screen!
A Chinese version of sentence for who may understand its translation better than the English version:想要缩放图片,两只手指在按下的时候必须有大约2cm的间距!
You can ONLY MOVE the SECOND finger you put with your First finger FIXED![Not exactly on the GamePad]
How it works?
See the "Fact" part of the application.
And touch the screen with two fingers(one by one).
You'll get three points:
Fixed Point - It is got when you put your First finger.
Real Point - It is truely detected by the hardware when two fingers are put.
Fake Point - where your second finger put.As a matter of fact,the hardware doesn't know anything of it.The position is worked out by the application.
How to get the Position of the second Finger?
NOTICE that when two or more fingers are put on the screen,the hardware would just get the Point in the central of shape which is made up by fingers' Positions.
So.Two fingers's positions(points) make a line.And the hardware gets the "Real Point" in the middle of the line.
Reversely think.We've got the First finger's Position and the Mid Position.
The Second Finger's Position should be in the direction opposite the First finger through the Mid Position.
PS
-This is my first post here.
-I know some members here has been developing the Multi-Touch(Dual-Touch) technology.But I had the idea of creating multi-touch application last year.
-The picture on the application written "Mobile 2.0" but not "Multi 2.0".It's a website[mobile20.com.cn] in China that make evaluations of mobile.The Chinese version of this application was released there on June 7,2010
-Sorry for my poor English..

Pretty interesting app just tested it on my wvga phone
But what really caught my eye was the gamepad thing. Would love to see this in morphgear so we have dualtouch which would make many games more playable.
Maybe I dream to much but still would be great

Do you have future projects for resistive screens now?

iceeyes91 said:
Pretty interesting app just tested it on my wvga phone
But what really caught my eye was the gamepad thing. Would love to see this in morphgear so we have dualtouch which would make many games more playable.
Maybe I dream to much but still would be great
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I'm willing to give the code to anyone who wants it.
(It's written in VB.NET)
But I really have to modify it.As the code is in a mess within some Chinese comments.
Maybe I'll write a 'GamePad'-only(or 'Picture'-only) program for developers.

zinconnu said:
Do you have future projects for resistive screens now?
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Maybe I'll release a dual-touch drum that called "Drum It!"
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I should have clicked MULTI-QUOTE..
But now I can't delete this post.

TangoChen said:
Maybe I'll release a dual-touch drum that called "Drum It!"
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Good idea, that will be funny! But i prefer the gamepad.

Hey,Ge Men,Nice work!

TangoChen said:
I'm willing to give the code to anyone who wants it.
(It's written in VB.NET)
But I really have to modify it.As the code is in a mess within some Chinese comments.
Maybe I'll write a 'GamePad'-only(or 'Picture'-only) program for developers.
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Wonderfull
Sadly I dunno anything about programming , so I can only support by testing/donating
Keep up the work, it would extend all my expection having dual touch on my phone

ghost_nup said:
Hey,Ge Men,Nice work!
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Hi.a Chinese guy.
I just couldn't understand what is 'Ge Men'.
But after searching for it on Google.It returns'您是不是要找： 哥们 各门 格门'
lol.It means man in Chinese.
iceeyes91 said:
Wonderfull
Sadly I dunno anything about programming , so I can only support by testing/donating
Keep up the work, it would extend all my expection having dual touch on my phone
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Thx!!But I haven't got a paypal account yet..It may takes one year till I'm 18 years old.

Great App! I have tested it on my Touch Pro (VGA Screen). In Gamepad mode I have only one round button but everything else worked good!
If both fingers are horizontal to the screen its pretty precise, if I have my fingers diagonal on the screen it differs much.
But: Thank you for your app, it shows that it is possible
Greets

The QVGA won't work on my kaiser .
The pinch zoom works though, Nice work!
The second finger on the screen is a bit off, from the fact tab, so that's why the gamepad doesn't work too well. It registers a press in another spot.

Which file do u use on VGA?
Multi2.0 QVGA.7z or Multi2.0 WVGA.7z ?

终于有中国的哥们发布强帖了~
终于有中国的哥们发布强帖了~

KobiP said:
Great App! I have tested it on my Touch Pro (VGA Screen). In Gamepad mode I have only one round button but everything else worked good!
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AdamiX said:
Which file do u use on VGA?
Multi2.0 QVGA.7z or Multi2.0 WVGA.7z ?
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Sorry for omitting the vga version!
And it's uploaded just now.
KobiP said:
If both fingers are horizontal to the screen its pretty precise, if I have my fingers diagonal on the screen it differs much.
But: Thank you for your app, it shows that it is possible
Greets
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Ya I found the problem,too.
And I thought it was the screen/hardware's problem.
Maybe I'll add a feature for a future project to adjust the value.
Thanks for reminding me!
nemuro said:
The QVGA won't work on my kaiser .
The pinch zoom works though, Nice work!
The second finger on the screen is a bit off, from the fact tab, so that's why the gamepad doesn't work too well. It registers a press in another spot.
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Oh.Thanks for reporting the problem!

This sounds great!
I hope you go on to make a gamepad to be used in emus, so that we can play the same games the HD2 does!

nice work.

Very good work! Gamepad works very well, resizing the image not as good, but that's also a great progress Maybe just my phone has this problem (Touch HD), but when i press one of these two fingers a little bit stronger, the "Fake Point" is going crazy That does not appear when i am pressing with my nails, fortunately :d
Sorry for my english and keep creating such a good applications! ;d

Any plans to work on a ..?
@TangoChen Any plans to work on a system–wide pinch to zoom solution? OndraSter has been workin' on one here, but has gone on holiday. Perhaps, you two should collaborate.

It would be great if you managed to replace the HD2's resources files and fool the entire system in thinking you actually have a capacitive screen.
The DLL (or any other kind of resource files, I didn't study this in detail, but for instance, just checking the "Pinch to zoom" menu in BSB Tweaks instantly crashes the HD ! ) could then be added in cooked ROMs and simulate the official "pinch to zoom" behavior...

thanks
that's great job

Real Multitouch on HD2

Hey, I like to use multitouch to get more intuitive input on the touchscreen like to emulate a virtual ThumbStick and some buttons working on the same time.
It's easy to get multitouch working using the WindowsMessages HTC_Zooming, HTC_End_.... But now, the fingers must be set on the screen nearly at the same time or it won't work. That's fine to implement some rotation or zooming cap but it's not enough for a game...
Does anyone know how to get multitouch, like the HTCAlbum does support?
An interesting fact is that the HTCAlbum app is in the blacklist of the Pinch cap in the registry and to get the PinchToZoom-Messages you must be registered in the whitelist...
Thanks

If you send me one HD2 for testing, I'll find it out hehe

HTCAfe.dll
Hey guys
I'm doing some research in the dependencies of the htc apps on my hd2 to get real multitouch. Now I need to analyze htcafe.dll but I can't copy it from my device 'cause it's cooked in the rom.
How do I get that lib on my pc or could anyone send me a copy?
Thanks

Sure, here you go!

Fast?
EpiphanyNL said:
Sure, here you go!
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thanks for that quick help!

You can usually copy out rom modules with either Cotulla's romextractor.exe or dotfred's task manager (the Depends tool-extract rom library).

DirectShow?
Hey guys
I'm sorry for the long dead time. It's really tricky 'cause I've no idea of directdraw/show on winmo? I figured out that you have to create a htcscene out of htcafe.dll and there you probably get the real multitouch-events.
Could some one send me a good tut for directdraw/show?
cheers

Got it!!!!
I got it working now!!! After spending hours, I found out how the HTCAlbum does it and I think it's the best way to do it without rewriting the whole driver and that stuff....
If anyone is interested in how to do it, i will write a sdk for .net and maybe a tut for native coding... (So if you're writeing a game... I can't wait to see multitouch ingames!!!)
For the moment I'm done, but I will soon post a sample game (some stuff like AirHockey or Pong)... (if I find time....)
Cheers

Some sample would be nice =)
Is it really something different from "HTC_Zoom_Begin" etc?
As for me, I prefer native code sample, but .net sample is ok as well.

How is this different from the multitouch already enabled on many hd2 apps? For example, fpsece, the playstation emulator has had multitouch for a long time, at least in the donators version. Is this a better implementation of multitouch?
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

zarathustrax said:
How is this different from the multitouch already enabled on many hd2 apps? For example, fpsece, the playstation emulator has had multitouch for a long time, at least in the donators version. Is this a better implementation of multitouch?
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
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Firsteful, there are now three approaches to get multitouch working (as far as I know). The first is the simplest, I think the multiouch skins for morphgear uses this trick. If the second finger is pressed, you get (I don't know exactly how, cause it was never an option for me...) the point in the middle, and you asign two buttons to this point.Well, It's fake multitouch, but it works.
The second option is to write the PenTrac.dll and activate MultipointDemo (or what so ever) key in the registry and send some window messages (they often abuse the standard mouseevents...)...
The last option is to use HTC_Zooming-messages and so on (in my opinion the best, cause this function is already there, so no overheat is made...). And this is what I do. But in all samples I got before (like I described in the first post of this thread...) , you needed to press both fingers at the same time. I figured out, how to avoid this problem. And that's the difference...
And in the end, I just wanted to make a really easy-to-use sdk. So that even beginners are able to get multitouch working.... I found it quite hard to start with all the p/invoke stuff or change from c# to native code. I hope I can help you with the sdk.
Here's the thread of my sdk. Feel free to leave feedback.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=906068
Chabun