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Engadget poll asked users if they got a WP7 phone?

Engadget is a massive website and so they get quite a few votes on their polls. There is a poll for the Windows Phone launch to see how many Engadget readers will be buying one of those new shiny devices.
The results are interesting and I think that they could have been higher but take a look for yourself.
Engadget Windows Phone 7 Poll Results!
What do you think about it? Do you think Microsoft could have done more to push it as they are spending about $500 million on advertising.

This poll tells me that Dell needs to hurry up with the Venue Pro.

Phone Titan said:
Engadget is a massive website and so they get quite a few votes on their polls. There is a poll for the Windows Phone launch to see how many Engadget readers will be buying one of those new shiny devices.
The results are interesting and I think that they could have been higher but take a look for yourself.
Engadget Windows Phone 7 Poll Results!
What do you think about it? Do you think Microsoft could have done more to push it as they are spending about $500 million on advertising.
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Not really considering most of their audience and articles are geared toward Apple and Android products. I'd like to see the results a year from now.

makes me sad how the surround got no love. its seriously the best phone ive ever owned.

Badly formulated poll if you ask me, as the first option could mean both "I didcnt want one" or (as was the case for many ppl) "No hardware was available to me".

On this poll, I can see :
- 83.4% didn't get any WP7
So it mean that 16.6% want a WP7. I don't know how to interprate this but it could mean that WP7 could potentially reach at least 16.6% market share ?
WM currently has less than 5%.
But there are some people, like me, who want a WP7, but are waiting for a better smartphone, simply :
- 16 GO or more
- Memory card
- < 1 GHz
- S Amoled
- 8 MPX or more with a true flash

Lebaronrouge77 said:
On this poll, I can see :
- 83.4% didn't get any WP7
So it mean that 16.6% want a WP7. I don't know how to interprate this but it could mean that WP7 could potentially reach at least 16.6% market share ?
WM currently has less than 5%.
But there are some people, like me, who want a WP7, but are waiting for a better smartphone, simply :
- 16 GO or more
- Memory card
- < 1 GHz
- S Amoled
- 8 MPX or more with a true flash
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Thats what I am waiting for as well. I just wish the focus was available outside the US.
At the moment there is no where to even purchase a WP7 in Thailand, And no mention of when it will be available.
I find it hard to fathom what the dealers were thinking when they decided to only offer 8 GB on most models.

For me the biggest mistake MS made with having numerous handsets available with different carriers is that many are left with a terrible lineup with their chosen carrier and unless you are willing to switch, you either buy a phone you don't want or you wait...I'm waiting...
I'm with Bell Canada...we have the frumpy LG phone with keyboard...it looks marginally better than a feature phone...I can't imagine they will sell many of these when Bell is also pushing the flashy Android phones and of course the iphone...
The only phones I want are the HD7 which is not available in Canada, the Dell Venue Pro which is not available in Canada or the Samsung Focus which is on Rogers(ie. Robbers) and I have no desire at all to switch from one thieving company (Bell) to one that is even worse...
I think MS needs to somehow force the carriers to carry more variety or push the manufacturers to release better versions....the hardware for the most part is crap except for the Dell and Focus....

You should stop in a store and handle the Surround. I wrote it off a month ago when it was announced as I thought it wouldnt interest me, it was stupid, crap, etc. but after handling one and using it and seeing how thin it was, I really took a liking to it and ended up buying it. Id say handle all these phones before settling on one sight unseen.

Aturayd said:
You should stop in a store and handle the Surround. I wrote it off a month ago when it was announced as I thought it wouldnt interest me, it was stupid, crap, etc. but after handling one and using it and seeing how thin it was, I really took a liking to it and ended up buying it. Id say handle all these phones before settling on one sight unseen.
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I'm going to an MS event that is showcasing all the phones in Canada in a week or so and I'll see them all there....the surround doesn't look bad at all but I have no use for that speaker, no mater how well it sounds...it just adds bulk.
The carriers up here in Canada with the exception of Telus are not promoting WP7 at all...I guess it's because Telus is the launch partner for WP7 but man if that's the case they should have pushed to get the samsung focus...

Windows Phone lacks and Identity

The major gripe I have with windows Phone is how it's sold or as is the case mis-sold. If quarterly results are correct - circa 1.5m Windows Phones sold that is pretty diabolical when you consider just how good the platform is.
I showed my phone and its features to my sister and brother in law and they liked the way it worked - its fluidity and how they could easily email, use calendar web etc. It wasn't a hard sell.
So I went around to all the cell phone stores in my local shopping centre and all the major retailers - Vodafone, T-mobile, o2, Orange, Three, Carphone Warehouse, Phones 4 U all had one phone front and centre - no guesses it's the Iphone.
The salespeople were on the most totally inept and either tried to shift an Iphone or any Android device. Their knowledge of the Windows Phone was either non existant or plain falsifications. Ontop of that the one salesperson who did know about Windows Phone was saying all you are interested in is office integration which Android provides.
There is no clear message to the public of what windows phone is and what it can do. Also the same phone is not available on all networks unlike the iphone.
If MS and Nokia want to sell tens of millions of windows phones a quarter they are not going about it the right way. Spending hundreds of millions on an ad campaign will create an initial boost but it won't last.
The problem MS has is that it probably will not want to push one phone above another in their adverts which will then create more confusion. Nokia will push their phone and brand above the o/s - there will be this confusing message once again.
I feel that for Windows Phone to be a success MS needs to get into bed fully with Nokia and actually have a joint marketing campaign - yes this may put of Samsung, LG etc but with the volumes currently shipping it won't be such a great loss.
Essentially we need one windows phone to rule them all. One phone available on all the networks.

I think it's a very bad idea to undermine the other OEMs just to fully promote Nokia. It's not really their faults the phones didn't sell, the OS was lacking and Microsoft didn't promote it very hard.
The issue is more in the sort of ads you use. Like you've seen, people who see WP love it so the ads should show the OS in action similar to ads for the iPhone and Windows 7.
You can do a huge campaign for Nokia if you like but if it's just generic stuff and tease (Oooh, we have Xbox Live and Office you know) without actually showing the OS it will be pointless.

Currently, I think a majority of people are waiting on better hardware coupled with mango. I,myself, am waiting on the new Samsung offering before I make the switch from Android to WP7.
I like the look and feel of WP7 vs. Android. Having an Iphone and now Android, I'm tired of the similar UI that is shared between them. Different is good and as long as functionality and ease of use is there, I think you'll see more people migrating over by next year.
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Gotta agree with noidd here, a lot of people are waiting for new hardware with Mango.
The whole one phone to rule them all is Apple's philosophy, and I'm sure that's one of the reasons why people started running to Android in the first place.
Hopefully we'll get a flagship phone like the galaxy s2 and people start noticing WP7 a little more.
As for the whole carrier mess, here in Norway and in pretty much entire Europe, u can get any phone on any carrier you like and I hope that kind of ridiculous carrier monopoly goes away sooner than later in especially the US.

Trust me, Nokia is a fools-even-know brand in China and when Nokia started selling WP7 phones in China, quickly billions of WPs wil be sold.

From the respective websites
O2 - HTC HD7, HTC 7 Mozart
T-mobile - no Windows phones
Orange - HTC 7 Mozart, LG Optimus 7, Samsung Omnia 7
Three - no windows phone
Vodafone - no windows phone
Each one of the above websites had a dedicated Iphone page and promoted Android.
The Iphone is promoted so much and hyped once people decide they want it they can get it on any of the 5 major nextworks in the uk.
Looking at 2 big phone retailers -
Carphone Warehouse - HTC HD7, HTC 7 Mozart, HTC 7 Trophy, LG Optimus 7, HTC 7 Pro
--Vodafone - HTC 7 Trophy, LG Optimus 7, HTC 7 Pro
--Orange -- HTC 7 Mozart, LG Optimus 7, HTC 7 Pro
--Tmobile - LG Optimus 7, HTC 7 Pro
--o2 - HTC HD7
--Three - none
Phones4u -
Vodafone - HTC 7 Trophy
Yes again they promote the Iphone front and centre as if their life depends on it. From whhat I have gleaned they make less profit on the Iphone sales than on high end Android phones but as the Iphone has become something of a golden child network operators stock it more to show theire relevancy as an operator in the eyes of the doe eyed consumers.
I still maintain that until Windows has a one or two phones available on all networks it won't make any impact whatsoever.

At launch Vodafone were carrying the Trophy and the Optimus 7, Three were carrying the Omnia 7 and Optimus 7 and T-Mobile were carrying the Mozart and Omnia 7. Those carriers dropped the phones because they a) weren't selling well and b) were old handsets. They didn't sell well because they were poop. Overpriced poop.
Look at the handsets available, then look at the prices they launched at. Every single one was available in Android flavour, and for significantly less (and, in many cases the Android hardware was superior). The HD7 and Mozart were the same price as the Desire HD, yet the HD7 and Mozart had lower quality screens and cameras. The Trophy was a similar spec to the Desire, and the Omnia 7 to the Galaxy yet both were significantly more expensive than their Android counterparts. There were also significant build quality differences in some cases. In a nutshell, Windows Phone 7 handsets were a bit of a con at launch and people weren't stupid enough to fall for it. The manufacturers messed up.

Coincidentally, I just made an off-topic, throwaway remark about this issue in a post in another thread. I've had the same experience (in Canada) of having salespeople try to deflect me away from WP7 to either Android or iOS. When WP7 first became available where I am, the salesman that I purchased my phone from expressed surprise at how good WP7 was, having just returned from a convention in Toronto. That was November 11, 2010. Since that time, I've not heard one good thing about WP7 from any salesperson. Invariably, WP7 is played down and iOS and Android played up. The user experience (this is always vague, the implication being that somehow WP7, not being as pervasive as the two biggies, somehow falls short and that anyone running WP7 will be missing out) and quantity of apps in the app stores are the two most common reasons given. Extending this "theme", I've even had salespeople assure me that Windows 8 tablets, when they come out and which will extend the Metro concept, will be crap!
Point is, I wonder if Android OEMs and Apple are offering larger incentives on the sale of these devcies, either to the individual salesperson or to select retailers? This idea is prompted by having bought an LCD tv at Christmas. I wound up buying at a furniture store and the salesman *used* to work at Futureshop (large electronics store in Canada like Dixons in the UK or BestBuy in the US - indeed it is now owned by BestBuy). He told me that the salesforce was pressured to push Samsung because of a huge difference in the commission paid relative to competing products. Indeed, this was my experience as I shopped around: I was consistently directed toward Samsung.
I own and use Android and iOS devices and the original release of WP7 was very competitive in my opinion. Mango, which I have just started using, is even more competitive. I can't see why a salesperson knowledgeable about the device and its competition would steer potential customers away without external motivations? I'll be very interested to see what happens this fall, when Mango and second gen WP7 devices become available.

Apple provide sales incentives - nope. From conversations I have had with Vodafone in the UK and AT&T in the US they get very little from Apple - they sell the i-phone as its what people want and b) they hope to keep them on after their contract is up. Otherwise they make more money on the Android devices.
Boils down to this for operators
1) Must sell i-phone as it's what people want even though margins are crap.
2) Must sell Android as volumes are good, as are margins but we can also modify the o/s.
3) Wp7 is an efterthought as its not selling well and we can't modify the o/s. As to margins that would be anyones guess.

I blame this all on the Scary Butterfly lady...
Things should get better with Mango and some current hardware. The OS was really released too soon for the wrong reasons with an obnoxiously unimpressive hardware spec. As long as Microsoft follows up Mango with a great Ad campaign this should get right back on track. Microsoft tends to flounder with their initial release then they fire the morons that looked impressive on paper and get some real muscle in there. Just look at the launch of the Xbox brand if you need historical proof of this.

Nokia Lumia sales (Jan 26 2012)

Nokia official Q4 sales are out. Long story short, after being introduced in limited markets Nov 2011, Lumia sales are over a million units.
Not a bad start.
Edit: Removed 800 from thread title and body. Sales are for Lumia line and not only 800.

No, that's for the 710 and 800 combined.
" He said Nokia has sold “well over” 1 million such devices since the launch of the Lumia line in the fourth quarter, in line with company expectations.
Including other models, Nokia sold 19 million smartphones in the quarter. By comparison, Apple sold 37 million iPhones in the same period."
Lumina 710 and 800 combined 1 million.
N9: 1.4 million
N8: over 4 million
Nokia total losses: over 1 billion
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It was "well over" 1 million, whatever that means. Where did you see N9 numbers? I didn't see any mention of them in the report.

vetvito said:
No, that's for the 710 and 800 combined.
" He said Nokia has sold “well over” 1 million such devices since the launch of the Lumia line in the fourth quarter, in line with company expectations.
Including other models, Nokia sold 19 million smartphones in the quarter. By comparison, Apple sold 37 million iPhones in the same period."
Lumina 710 and 800 combined 1 million.
N9: 1.4 million
N8: over 4 million
Nokia total losses: over 1 billion
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Oh I am sorry, you are right. I thought the Lumia 710 came out this year. When exactly did the 710 launch? All I see is december.
This is an assumption, but could the Lumia 710 be responsible for much of those $1 plus million sales given the short window of launch?

Depends on which country. I think it was December.
Still in one month that ain't bad. it already has 45% of the Windows phone total sales and ATT in the states still doesn't have a nokia yet. only tmobile. (much smaller provider).

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nokia-Reports-954M-Loss-for-Q4-2011-248868.shtml
Today, Finnish mobile phone maker Nokia announced its financial results for the fourth quarter of last year, and posted a €954 million ($1.25 billion) profit loss for the timeframe.
Moreover, the company announced that its total loss for the last year was of €1.073 billion ($1.4 billion). Compared to the previous year, the company’s profits went down 43 percent.
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I think the numbers show the clear picture of where Nokia was heading and why Symbian was not the answer. I believe the only thing that is debateable is if Nokia should have gone Android vs Windows Phone.
Nokia got paid handsomely for choosing Windows Phone. Nokia will be the king of that platform, like Samsung is of Android (with HTC close just like WP). Maybe they should have done both Android and Windows Phone.
I think only time will tell where the WP road leads them. But I think I would have done the same thing Nokia did.

They shouldn't do Android. They should've focused on Meego and kept updating Symbian a very long time ago, and offered Windows Phone alongside their other offerings.
Why do people say RIM should do Android? That's silly.
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vetvito said:
They shouldn't do Android. They should've focused on Meego and kept updating Symbian a very long time ago, and offered Windows Phone alongside their other offerings.
Why do people say RIM should do Android? That's silly.
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I have a question about the Nexus S Vet. Thinking about getting one (the i9020A for the ATT bands) Do you check PMs?

Completely off topic but this is RIMs problem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aFYuvUv_B8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I can't do nothing but laugh.
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I have a question about the Nexus S Vet. Thinking about getting one (the i9020A for the ATT bands) Do you check PMs?
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Yeah, and it really depends on your price.
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According to the resellers of Lumia phones... It has sold better than N8 and N9.
“Lumia 800 sales is not comparable with the iPhone 4S, but it mixes with the mobiles that sell best on the market currently, it has also sold better than the N8 and N9 at launch, and it also sells better than other manufacturers do when there’s a new product, “says sales director Michael Bech from Telia.
“We have since Friday experienced the same demand, as shown by the introduction of the iPhone 4S. Lumia 800 has sold more than three times as much as number two on our sales charts, “Morten Steen Jensen, purchasing manager at TDC.
But then again... Lumia only started off on 6 markets... So I guess the estimated 1,3 million sold units aint too shabby.

nicksti said:
Nokia official Q4 sales are out. Long story short, after being introduced in limited markets Nov 2011, Lumia 800 sales are over a million units.
Not a bad start.
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nice
not bad at all

dragonide said:
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not bad at all
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I wonder if "sales" represented shipped devices to retailers or actual customer sales ? (You know how things are at times)
Also, I ran across this on my mail aggregator and just thought.... WOW:
http://m.tomshardware.com/news/Microsoft-Nokia-Windows-Phone-7-Deal-Partnership-money,14564.html
When Nokia and Microsoft last year revealed a strategic partnership that would see the former use Windows Phone 7 as its primary smartphone OS, it was obvious what Nokia stood to gain from the deal. The Finnish company, once a king in the cell phone industry, was struggling in the smartphone space. The company needed a smartphone OS that already had an established user base and the support and apps necessary for growth. However, this wasn't a one-sided deal. Though Nokia has been less than successful in the smartphone market, the company has a lot of brand loyalty, and the partnership offered Microsoft the chance to reach millions more customers. As it turns out, Microsoft paid rather a lot for this privilege.
Though both parties have remained quiet about the financial details of their agreement for the better part of a year, information was revealed by Nokia yesterday during a quarterly earnings call. According to Nokia's Q4 results, which were released this week, Microsoft paid Nokia $250 million to use Windows Phone 7. Described by Nokia as a "platform support payment," this isn't a one time thing. According to SlashGear's Chris Davies, who was first to pick up on the figure, there will be more payments made by Microsoft. The eventual figure is thought to be more than one billion dollars.
"Our broad strategic agreement with Microsoft includes platform support payments from Microsoft to us as well as software royalty payments from us to Microsoft," Nokia said in its results. "We have a competitive software royalty structure, which includes minimum software royalty commitments."
So far we know next to nothing about what Nokia is paying Microsoft, but Nokia did say that over the life of the agreement "both the platform support payments and minimum software royalty commitments are expected to measure in the billions of US dollars.
Nokia also confirmed yesterday that it has sold more than a million Lumia handsets, as predicted by analysts earlier this week.

Look at like this:
Go with Android and get sued by Microsoft and still be in decline
Or
Go with Windows Phone and get paid by Microsoft.
Not a hard decision.
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vetvito said:
Look at like this:
Go with Android and get sued by Microsoft and still be in decline
Or
Go with Windows Phone and get paid by Microsoft.
Not a hard decision.
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This. Plus the quite obvious fact that on Android you can't push out single core 3.7" phones and get away with it, it would have costed them a lot more also in terms of hardware, they would have been risking too much.

vetvito said:
Look at like this:
Go with Android and get sued by Microsoft and still be in decline
Or
Go with Windows Phone and get paid by Microsoft.
Not a hard decision.
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vnvman said:
This. Plus the quite obvious fact that on Android you can't push out single core 3.7" phones and get away with it, it would have costed them a lot more also in terms of hardware, they would have been risking too much.
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I'm also sure the decision came down to "Put complete crap on our phones" or "Put a masterpiece" - I'm sure glad they chose the masterpiece

Time to make the doughnu....oh wait, clean the thread again...

FiyaFleye said:
I'm also sure the decision came down to "Put complete crap on our phones" or "Put a masterpiece" - I'm sure glad they chose the masterpiece
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You are being a little extreme Fiya. If Android was complete crap then why are so many people buying them?
I do agree that Nokia made a overall strategic business decision to buy into Windows Phone that was sweetened by Microsoft.
Yes, it would have costed Nokia a bit more to introduce the Lumia 800 Android; they would have had to given it SGS2 specs for it to be a flagship phone in that ecosystem but the sales would have been astronomical! But I guarantee you Apple would have been quickly knocking at their door with legal documents (Nokia successfully sued Apple in 2007 for patent infringements).
The best thing for Nokia would be to keep doing S40 phones, Windows Phones, and if Android gets past the suits Android phones as well.

Vetvito: Well... Use Microsoft techs in your OS (Android) and expect to pay for it, or pay for Microsofts tech straight away... It's an easy decision for me... But I don't manufacture any phones.
Why do you stay in the WP forums again? I haven't seen one single positive post about it... I (as a Detroit Red Wings fan) don't hang around Philadelphia Flyers-sites and post about every negative aspect I can find about them... What's on your agenda really? Jealosy?
Why do Android sell? Price and impressive specs.

HTC suffers 79% crash in quarterly profits

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/oct/09/htc-suffers-crash-quarterly-profits
Words of wisdom from their CEO.
HTC will only comment when its audited results are published, but an email sent by the chief executive, Peter Chou, to employees in August urged staff to "kill bureaucracy". He complained: "We have people in meetings and talking all the time but without decision, strategic direction and sense of urgency."

obsydian said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/oct/09/htc-suffers-crash-quarterly-profits
Words of wisdom from their CEO.
HTC will only comment when its audited results are published, but an email sent by the chief executive, Peter Chou, to employees in August urged staff to "kill bureaucracy". He complained: "We have people in meetings and talking all the time but without decision, strategic direction and sense of urgency."
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most company's are struggling in this present worldwide climate of recession and slow growth forcasts so its no major suprise really.
as with apple they want to take over the world there latest ios 6 and apple iphone 5 to be frank are crap.

I guess my slant was just taking Jellybean and all prior updates coupled with the bureaucracy comment from their CEO, maybe explains (as well as HTC Sense being more involved) why these guys are so s-l-o-w.
I think a 79% crash is far worse than the general industry.

Problem with HTC is the fact that they release too many low-cost handsets which don't sell very well and so they lose money quickly. I can't believe that they can't see this.
Also, another thing that's bad with HTC is the support for handsets. I bought Sensation XL back in June, sold it this week because tthey didn't confirm JB for it. I mean, it has been released in December 2011, not even a year of support for £400 handset?

H-Streety said:
Problem with HTC is the fact that they release too many low-cost handsets which don't sell very well and so they lose money quickly. I can't believe that they can't see this.
Also, another thing that's bad with HTC is the support for handsets. I bought Sensation XL back in June, sold it this week because tthey didn't confirm JB for it. I mean, it has been released in December 2011, not even a year of support for £400 handset?
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There's not enough money in the high end handsets, they need massively high volumes of low to mid tier handsets. Unfortunately that's devalued their brand and image too.
When they first started to shine... with the HTC Diamond (yes, they made plenty of devices beforehand, but that was the first consumer 'wow' phone). they were innovative. Sadly for 6 years they failed to capitalise on that, and massively let down their consumers with the 'Sense' hub that was cancelled (even thought they sold phones based on that feature).
Their industrial design was really nice with the Diamond too... a great balance of sophisticated and sexy (with their glowing circle etc).
They need to get back to basics... 1 Low, 1 Mid, 1 High tier - 3 devices. Forget the many variants.
It can't 'match' the competition, it has to better them by some margin.
It needs to ditch Sense, OR introduce a brand new Sense that puts 'sexy' back into the UI.
When was the last time a HTC owner truly wanted to show off their phone to friends, knowing they'd be impressed? They've lost the WOW.
But one bright thing in their favour. Samsung, Sony and Apple haven't managed to achieve 'WOW' yet. Great devices, yes, but not 'WOW'

They are still profitible and have plenty of cash in the bank so it's not as if their teetering on the edge. But investors and analysts are getting tired of each quarter seeming to accelerate their downward slide. With the One X+, XV, and 8X on AT&T and the illusive DLX on VZW they have a chance to really move some volume in the 4th quarter because of the size of those two carriers. If with all those major devices launching they don't see some improvement I expect them to be a merger or acquisition candidate early next year. Things can't continue as they are.

It is the trend that is worrying. Like it or not Samsung has the Android mindshare. HTC have themselves to blame may it be business decisions or management issues. HTC was Android's top manufacturer in the early days.
When people think Android, they think Samsung now. It could be better publicity, marketing, global image, or even court battles, etc.

thank u`

I will pick up HTC, not samsumg, i dont like to spend my money in cheap plastic, low benchmarks phones like sg3
I dont care numbers, marketing or selling, we know that not the all the world is smart, and that the marketing afects woman and child, thats what samsung is doing. Done.
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Htc is a billion dollar company making pinuts , I don't agree it's still profitable,when you deal with share holders. Loans ,there would be nothing left from the 100 Millions they made , HTC is like a million dollar company making 100 dollars and yet we're calling it profitable ,next 80% drop there wouldn't be anything to be profitable about

The problem is that htc dont feed me, dont give money, so... What s the point to talk about if htc make money or not, at least u r a sammy boy, really have no sense to talk about others money, just talk about how wonderful will be the best phone in earth with official jelly bean. I was right, next year sammy galaxy will be competing with LG. I told U. But well... Dont give up sammy, keep selling cheap, ugly designed phone with low bench, i forgot, sg boots in 10 secs, who cares.
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Maybe the $2k from S-Off bounty thread could help them out a little lol

why is this thread being bumped
they still make profits, better than tons of other mega companies
grow up!

atrako1973 said:
HTC is like a million dollar company making 100 dollars and yet we're calling it profitable
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Being profitible isn't open to debate; it's black and white. If after paying all their bills and servicing any debt they have a $100 left they're profitible. That also means their cash flow positive (not drawing on reserves to cover expenses). That's obviously not a great position for a multi-billion dollar global company but as Mark Twain said - "rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated."

Not suprised, it'll be all the bloody HOX's they've had to replace.
LAWL

tbh im not that suprised, i had enough of the htc one x, not lasting the day - unable to change the battery and having to carry around a seperate charger that i kept forgetting to charge,
Ive owned htc devices since xda days and they have always been to me the best phones around imho, hackabilty without losing warrenty was also a big bonus which always extended the life of the handset.
the one x is the the first htc phone ive owned ive not hacked, after having a dhd fail after 1.5 years i was worried about losing the warrenty.
I think thats where htc are going wrong, samsung have an excellent range of hackable devices (ok touch wiz is crap and superamoled is still infantacy) but the phones have some really cool features that would make the one x and the rest of the line shine - removable battery being foremost in my mind. Being able to change leds, fonts asigning keys all without having too root is what is making the difference between the two manufactors to the end users like us.
Sense is nice and polished but has become stale over time and locked down, getting a new phone with htc isnt the wow factor any more, htc need to bring that back - having to wait for months unless you voided your warrenty to remove the 3 dot menu button made the phone a joke.
i personally wish htc all the best for the future and hope they sort themselves out on future products - getting a nexus line would be a cool advancement, but i think they willl carry on making the same mistakes year in year out.
they need to be reminded they are not apple and cannot lock the devices down to a android community, thats whats coming back to bite them at this time.

Wooow, again our hox forum full of trolling samy boys, so Hox keeps on the top.
Why hox owners dont go to sg3 forums? Cause there is no need.
Why samy boys come here?
I will told u why, cause hox is the best phone in earth, not matter what u wanna troll.
I love my gaming hox. Tegra games, sony psmobile games, well... You know, its not samsung, it s HTC. :thumbup:
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Don't be so small minded, I'm not trolling but stating why I think HTC is having issues after OWNING THE HOX for quiet some time, so any word said against HTC is trolling, good luck with that.
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Yeah, funny.
Hox is the best phone in earth and everytime we, hox users, are waiting for updates or good news, well, post like this suddenly appears. Nothing new under the sun.
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HTC marketing department is just sad.

What the hell is an "HTC Butterfly" supposed to do? Who comes up with such childish unrecognizable names for flagship devices? And then what is an "M7"??
Why not simply a one X2? How is HTC ever going to build an iconic phone series this way if they keep changing the flagship brand every year.

Gambler_3 said:
What the hell is an "HTC Butterfly" supposed to do? Who comes up with such childish unrecognizable names for flagship devices? And then what is an "M7"??
Why not simply a one X2? How is HTC ever going to build an iconic phone series this way if they keep changing the flagship brand every year.
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Good point but the Butterfly will not be called that in European markets.
HTC have lost they're way a bit they should look toward Samsung with the Galaxy/Note series,they tried it with the Desire range few years ago,why not again ?

I believe m7 is just the code name (like Endeavoru pr Pyramind), I am sure they have already decided on a hilarious name with misplaced capitals already.
I vaguely recall the Butterfly was going to be the DLX in the US and Deluxe here but could be wrong.

M7 is a code name, no one outside of HTC knows what it will be called.
I like the name Butterfly. Why the hell not? Or does it need to be more manly? Would "HTC Skullcrusher XXX" make you want to buy it more?

The new marketing team is doing a good job with the M7, I mean they are playing the apple/samsung game in delivering various ''spy pics'' and infos every 2 days on the internet just to hype things up!
Also the unveiling of one definite flagship on the 19th Feb and I hope they invited lot of TVs,is a huge step forward for HTC marketing.
HTC is making awesome devices but they always lacked alot of communication,that's why Peter Chou fired the old team

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HTC marketing department is just sad.
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Not as sad as this thread. If you knew anything or tried to find out anything before starting this thread you would of none what everyone else as told you on here.
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HTC makes really great phones, but their marketing is nowhere to be seen.
In my school a lot of people got Galaxy S3, and nobody except me got an One X.
Those two phones are competitors and substitutes so its sad that people haven't even heard of One X...
Its like you got an BMW car but don't know whats a Mercedes.
I think HTC doesn't do enough marketing or doesn't do it correctly which leads to situations like this where people don't know anything about HTC phones and therefore aren't buying them...

tomic888 said:
HTC makes really great phones, but their marketing is nowhere to be seen.
In my school a lot of people got Galaxy S3, and nobody except me got an One X.
Those two phones are competitors and substitutes so its sad that people haven't even heard of One X...
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Exactly my story.
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This is about to change
2 things to remember
1- During the One Series launch, the One X was exclusive to AT&T in the USA, being on the same network, Apple was unhappy with all the One X hype (the One series was the highlight of last year's MWC) and managed to block it from entering the US due to some ridiculous lawsuit, HTC was forced to modify the software of all the units while they were held in customs before they were let in but nevertheless much delayed, which diluted much of the One X attention. This will never happen again because HTC signed a 10 year agreement with Apple
2- For three years HTC will now be the official smartphones sponsor to the UEFA Championship

HTC also took advertising and marketing in-house. The new marketing head is supposed to be pretty good. Worked at some big ad/marketing agencies over the years.

It's good to hear that HTC has recently got in a new Marketing Director.

They must bring up Rihana at the M7 NYC fiesta
Instead of taking pics in a plane that only a few saw in the internet