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Phone signal drop-out

Overall, my area has a pretty good signal, but I live in a slight black spot, and my modern house with its foil lined walls does nothing to improve the situation. None of my phones have ever got a decent signal in the hous.
But I have observed a troublesome trend with the new Desire. If I leave the phone lying around on a shelf, the phone shows 2-3 bars of signal. If I make a call, the phone usually holds the call OK.
But if I pik the phone up to mess about with and dont immediately make a call, while I am holding the phone the signal will drop to zero, no service; and it doesn't come back, not until I put the phone back on the shelf.
Could it be that HTC are being too agressive with power management? Or could this be the same fault as has been reported in the Google Nexus?
It is entirely repeatable, to the point that I can demonstrate it to people.
What do other people in weak areas find?

Hi,
Is it exactly the same like the below demonstration of Nexus One signal drop?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEIA_lMwqJA

So far as that goes, yes, exactly the same.
What he doesn't do is test for less drop if a call is active. The phone appears to try harder to maintain the signal if a call is in progress.

AMAZING. Isn't it. So much talk about so many subjects, but no-one interested in how it actually performs as a PHONE!

This might be related to location of the GSM anthena on Desire and Nexus. Try to move your hand bit more up so you don't touch the bottom back part and check if there is any difference.

I would rather guess the described behaviour of a phone is perfectly normal with all phones under bad conditions. Happened to me with all my phones so far.

[Q] Death grip

Hi everyone
I have this problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gu9oKlWq1Y
Anyone know how to solve this problem ?

Just as a disclaimer, every phone will lose signal if you grip it a certain way. Remember the iphone debacle?
But the quick fix is to just put a case on it. Your body will no longer interfere with the antenna and your phone will have the added bonus of surviving a fall.
Sent from my T-mobile G2

Nospin said:
Just as a disclaimer, every phone will lose signal if you grip it a certain way. Remember the iphone debacle?
But the quick fix is to just put a case on it. Your body will no longer interfere with the antenna and your phone will have the added bonus of surviving a fall.
Sent from my T-mobile G2
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Downside is cases tarnish the natural beauty of the phone that the cell phone manufacturers intended. I just take the risk. I would rather have a nice looking phone IMHO.

I already have this one http://www.otterbox.com/HTC-G2-/-HT...C4-G2XXX_color=20&start=1&cgid=desire-z-cases

gripping ANY phone tightly/awkwardly over the antenna will cause loss of signal. Some are worse than others, but it happens to any modern phone with an internal antenna. Cases help, but you're still going to be able to replicate it if you try hard enough. The phones are designed so that the antenna will more than likely not be blocked if you're holding it in any normal conventional way during regular use.
One usual culprit for the G2/DZ is the WiFi signal getting weaker when using the hardware keyboard, because your hands are covering the top and bottom of the device.

so isn't any idea to solve or help a little with this problem ?

kregiel16 said:
so isn't any idea to solve or help a little with this problem ?
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Like I just said, there's nothing you can do other than just don't hold the phone in such a ridiculous way. You can't move the antenna inside the phone, it is where it is.
In normal use I highly doubt you'll ever see drastic signal drop because of the way you hold your phone. Nobody normally holds a phone in the way shown in the video.

So tell me how to play in gameloft games where all of them is in landscape mode

kregiel16 said:
So tell me how to play in gameloft games where all of them is in landscape mode
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like I said, using the phone normally (yes even playing games in landscape) your signal shouldn't drop so low that you will be completely disconnected from the network. Don't get scared just because the bars drop.

But i already play at Order and Chaos and this game are also in landscape mode and unhappily i get lost connection every few minutes ;/ and the game has reconnecting.

kregiel16 said:
But i already play at Order and Chaos and this game are also in landscape mode and unhappily i get lost connection every few minutes ;/ and the game has reconnecting.
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There's nothing I can tell you. The antenna is where it is. If for some reason you're in a low signal area to start and you cover the antenna you're going to see loss of signal.

Tell me if i give back this mobile on warranty then they are able to solve issue ?

kregiel16 said:
Tell me if i give back this mobile on warranty then they are able to solve issue ?
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You're not listening. Every phone has this issue if you hold it in the right place. Its a cell phone with an antenna. Its just going to happen, there's nothing you or the manufacturer can do to "fix" it after the phone has been made.

I acutally thought this was a radio problem. I switched radios and noticed a slight improvement.

riahc3 said:
I acutally thought this was a radio problem. I switched radios and noticed a slight improvement.
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A radio update can help your signal a bit overall, but it will never remove the effect of strategically covering the physical antenna. What it would help with is a default low signal, that gets worsened to the point of disconnection from the network by covering the antenna (aka your normal signal could be higher, so that when it gets lessened it still stays connected).

Got the one x yesterday...few problems...

Hey..i got my one x white yesterday...
The phone is awsome better than galaxy note which i used before it...
But few problems i noticed...
1. I got a faulty unit...vibrator is not working....will get replace done today...but i wanna know how to go to test menu so i can test the new unit i recieve...
2. One x also has the same wifi signal problem just like sensation...when u cover the phone from camera to the power button by hands...wifi signals drops dramatically...just like sensation...and also when u put the phone on table some signals are dropped....that was the only reason i din liked my sensation...but now i consider myself unlucky...but one thing i notice that quad core really gives a boost to the internet speed...more then what i get on my desktop laptop and ipad...
3. I now have scratched camera lens...and it was just after 30 mins...though i am lucky that now ill get a new unit...
4. It lags a lot...dont know why...
Anyone who knows how to go to test menu???

aniketsharma9865 said:
Hey..i got my one x white yesterday...
The phone is awsome better than galaxy note which i used before it...
But few problems i noticed...
1. I got a faulty unit...vibrator is not working....will get replace done today...but i wanna know how to go to test menu so i can test the new unit i recieve...
2. One x also has the same wifi signal problem just like sensation...when u cover the phone from camera to the power button by hands...wifi signals drops dramatically...just like sensation...and also when u put the phone on table some signals are dropped....that was the only reason i din liked my sensation...but now i consider myself unlucky...but one thing i notice that quad core really gives a boost to the internet speed...more then what i get on my desktop laptop and ipad...
3. I now have scratched camera lens...and it was just after 30 mins...though i am lucky that now ill get a new unit...
4. It lags a lot...dont know why...
Anyone who knows how to go to test menu???
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So your vibrator isn't working?

Nope...

falconeight said:
So your vibrator isn't working?
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I lol´d

Hold vol down on home screens it will decrease ringer volume and enter in vibrate mode and vibrate 1s...... Then make a call to your phone..... Now that it is in vibrate mode it should vibrate
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA

pratik.narkar said:
Hold vol down on home screens it will decrease ringer volume and enter in vibrate mode and vibrate 1s...... Then make a call to your phone..... Now that it is in vibrate mode it should vibrate
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA
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Omg hahaha....i am not a dumb...

aniketsharma9865 said:
Omg hahaha....i am not a dumb...
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Poor guy just tried to help you... :-D
Sent from my GT-I9000 using xda premium

Jobiza said:
Poor guy just tried to help you... :-D
Sent from my GT-I9000 using xda premium
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Lol... Thank god i dont have a problem with turning my phone on...lol...he wd have tell me where the power button is lol...sorry pratik but thanks...anyone know the test menu?

Regarding WiFi, mine is way better than on my sensation.
In my front room, I would get 1-2 bars on my sensation. With my one x, I get 3-4 bars, and even when I hold the phone landscape and cover the top, it stays 3 bars.
I can also detect loads more networks than on my sensation.
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Basil3 said:
Regarding WiFi, mine is way better than on my sensation.
In my front room, I would get 1-2 bars on my sensation. With my one x, I get 3-4 bars, and even when I hold the phone landscape and cover the top, it stays 3 bars.
I can also detect loads more networks than on my sensation.
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Yeah obviously it is better....but the grip problem is there...atleast for me on this phone...dont know its gonna be on the one i m about to get today...

aniketsharma9865 said:
Yeah obviously it is better....but the grip problem is there...atleast for me on this phone...dont know its gonna be on the one i m about to get today...
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All phones will have some death grip effect, it's just how they are made. Like a previous poster I find wifi reception on the One X better than anything I've had previously - android or otherwise, and regardless of how i hold it.
My router is downstairs, when i go upstairs and death grip my phone I still get better reception than I did on my old desire when holding it properly.
Regarding vibrate.. what is wrong with that guys suggestion? It is a perfect way to test vibrate. Heck, even when you first turn on the phone just as you type in login details you should get haptic feedback from the keyboard.
M.

Basil3 said:
Regarding WiFi, mine is way better than on my sensation.
In my front room, I would get 1-2 bars on my sensation. With my one x, I get 3-4 bars, and even when I hold the phone landscape and cover the top, it stays 3 bars.
I can also detect loads more networks than on my sensation.
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This is my experience also
(This is compared to my previous Optimus 2x)

worried to hear about the camera lens scratching..i mean how are we suppose to put the phone on a table or other surfaces

mattman83 said:
All phones will have some death grip effect, it's just how they are made. Like a previous poster I find wifi reception on the One X better than anything I've had previously - android or otherwise, and regardless of how i hold it.
My router is downstairs, when i go upstairs and death grip my phone I still get better reception than I did on my old desire when holding it properly.
Regarding vibrate.. what is wrong with that guys suggestion? It is a perfect way to test vibrate. Heck, even when you first turn on the phone just as you type in login details you should get haptic feedback from the keyboard.
M.
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Obviously i tried everything thts y i said i have a faulty unit and gave to htc service center and they are giving me a new phone...

I have noticed slight backlight bleed at the bottom of the screen when viewing a black screen. There is also some uniformity error, where the top of the screen is more bluish white and the bottom more yellowish.
The signal strength reads lower than the sensation

jonstatt said:
I have noticed slight backlight bleed at the bottom of the screen when viewing a black screen. There is also some uniformity error, where the top of the screen is more bluish white and the bottom more yellowish.
The signal strength reads lower than the sensation
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I din have screen issue with my phone...tough a test menu wd b good to check it...

Death grip... jesus... are people still talking about this..
You dont hold your phone in such a way that it cuts all Wifi signal strength... if you do, you're a retard who needs to go to phone holding lessons...
Cant believe people still actually moan about this

stanny2k said:
Death grip... jesus... are people still talking about this..
You dont hold your phone in such a way that it cuts all Wifi signal strength... if you do, you're a retard who needs to go to phone holding lessons...
Cant believe people still actually moan about this
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Retards????when we pay a hefty amount for a device we believe it to be free from any such errors...and if we talk abt it than we are not loosers like u...

I just got my phone today..! so far so good.. but the only problem is it gets heated up like ( in the early days how samsung galaxy s used to be like a frying pan ) frying pan.. but it's when i was on a call through wifi on skype and also the phone is very responsive, except when you hit the task manager or multi tasking capacitive button it takes a second or 2 to load up.. sometimes when you press it like 2-3 times then you will encounter some problem.. anyone with the same problem ? although I really hope and think that all these problems will be addressed in the updates.. am currently on 1.26.. it's like 1 hour i got this phone.. trust me the screen is awesome!!

To those with signal problems - try this please.

Hi all,
like some I've been having poor signal and not entirely sure if it's software or hardware. But I encountered something apple-esque earlier with my one x.
When holding the phone normally, i.e. resting in the palm of my hand with my finger and thumb round, I get around 1 bar, this rises a little outside.
When holding the phone from the speaker with my thumb and index finger, i get nearly full signal! Also by holding the edges at the base of the phone results in improved signal for me.
Can those who have issues try this out and see it it works? If not, I guess it must be my handset.

lol if this is just a death grip issue

twistedh said:
Hi all,
like some I've been having poor signal and not entirely sure if it's software or hardware. But I encountered something apple-esque earlier with my one x.
When holding the phone normally, i.e. resting in the palm of my hand with my finger and thumb round, I get around 1 bar, this rises a little outside.
When holding the phone from the speaker with my thumb and index finger, i get nearly full signal! Also by holding the edges at the base of the phone results in improved signal for me.
Can those who have issues try this out and see it it works? If not, I guess it must be my handset.
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This happens with mine...its the lower left corner that you must avoid covering.

twistedh said:
Hi all,
like some I've been having poor signal and not entirely sure if it's software or hardware. But I encountered something apple-esque earlier with my one x.
When holding the phone normally, i.e. resting in the palm of my hand with my finger and thumb round, I get around 1 bar, this rises a little outside.
When holding the phone from the speaker with my thumb and index finger, i get nearly full signal! Also by holding the edges at the base of the phone results in improved signal for me.
Can those who have issues try this out and see it it works? If not, I guess it must be my handset.
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well i have another problem when i try to call some one the signal drops to none and never go back !
i have to restart to get the signal back
i think it's a hardware problem.
can someone email htc with the problem ?

Now apple will sue HTC for copyright infringement on the signal bug. Sheesh...
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk

Death grip?

Holding the superior (top half) part of the phone in the palm of the hand shows drastic drop in wifi signal (tested with dB meter), also visible in wifi icon "lines".
Does this qualify as a death grip and eligible for replacement?

zerozoneice said:
Holding the superior (top half) part of the phone in the palm of the hand shows drastic drop in wifi signal (tested with dB meter), also visible in wifi icon "lines".
Does this qualify as a death grip and eligible for replacement?
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No, that is just you blocking the wifi antenna... Death grip is more of a joke actually, it means if you pinch the top left side of the phone with your hand the connection will cut out (Now why you need to hold that part of your phone closed tight in your hand is a mystery)
Yet, if you can <<Disconnect>> your wifi by holding the top left corner of your phone, you can go for warranty if your phone is still lock...

srashedian said:
No, that is just you blocking the wifi antenna... Death grip is more of a joke actually, it means if you pinch the top left side of the phone with your hand the connection will cut out (Now why you need to hold that part of your phone closed tight in your hand is a mystery)
Yet, if you can <<Disconnect>> your wifi by holding the top left corner of your phone, you can go for warranty if your phone is still lock...
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Yeah I have the same problem as the OP, mine gets to the point where I can get it to go from full signal to absolutely nothing simply buy holding my hand over the camera.
Are you sure this is normal?

I would say you're blocking the wifi signal.
If it was going the other way "death grip" the phone and the signal boosts then you have the wifi problem and would need to contact HTC to get it fixed

bigdirtyjase said:
I would say you're blocking the wifi signal.
If it was going the other way "death grip" the phone and the signal boosts then you have the wifi problem and would need to contact HTC to get it fixed
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So the death grip is actually the life grip
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium

Usexy said:
Yeah I have the same problem as the OP, mine gets to the point where I can get it to go from full signal to absolutely nothing simply buy holding my hand over the camera.
Are you sure this is normal?
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Yes, that is normal (Actually it is not normal by international wifi standards, there is a problem with HOX WiFi antenna, but as this hardware problem is in all HOX devices and even HTC is admitting it, it counts as normal)

Hi there,
I have one X and tried this method and signal drops if i hold (half top) of the phone, but i don't think this can called Death Grip.. i also tried with Sensation and Evo3D, they loose signals like One X.

xhaniGS2 said:
Hi there,
I have one X and tried this method and signal drops if i hold (half top) of the phone, but i don't think this can called Death Grip.. i also tried with Sensation and Evo3D, they loose signals like One X.
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Thanks for the info