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I see a lot of people constantly talking about battery life on here and how they are disappointed by what they are seeing from ROMs, kernels, or the OTA release.
I'm interested to see exactly what sort of expectations people have on the lifetime of their phone.
I've been fairly cognizant of my phone's power consumption and have done a lot to ensure I understand how I use it and what effect that has on its life between charges.
I understand that a first generation phone with the largest screen, the fastest processor available, the most processor intensive camera, with animated wallpapers, synchronization to various web services, flash, and borderline experimental next-generation wireless connectivity that can tether to multiple devices. To have all that on a unit marginally larger than my old Palm Pre and roughly the same battery size (1150mAh stock) is going to come with some compromises.
I tend to overclock, ROM flash, and beat the snot out of my phone on a regular basis. Therefore, I have a super gigantic Seidio battery that I absolutely adore. I found that even before that, I was able to get my battery life under control if I controlled my phone properly, so I'm not sure what the problem is.
Did some people just get bad phones? Are some people just being unrealistic with their expectations? What goals do you think people should be setting for the lifetime of their phone between charges?
Its an honest question.
I used to get almost a week out of an old motorola flip style phone (v500 something).
Everything since then has been downhill.
I'm not under the false impression that these new phones are going to last as long as the older "dumb" phones, BUT.....Id like to be able to get through the day without charging my phone. I keep my screen about 40% brightness, I'm usually in an area with good reception, I only sync my Gmail, I've calibrated my battery, etc. The only real USE my phone gets is texting. I unplug my phone at 5am and its more than half gone by noon. Not real great IMO.
I think this will provide valuable insight as to expectations for this phone. Personally I have used smartphones since I can remember and I was bread to expect a nightly charge.
It may be unacceptable to some that we have to "mod" our phones to get reasonable battery life, but I really dont have too many complaints. Out of the box, the EVO is running a 1gz processor and powering a 4.3" display. Not to mention if you're running wifi and various apps. I think some people are just expecting too much from these phones. Look at laptops. When my dell was brand new, I could get 2-3 hours of steady use before it conked out. The battery life our phones are getting, modded or stock, isnt really that bad. If you're unwilling to do some research and easy mods or buy a spare $20 OEM battery off eBay please dont complain about it.
spiicytuna said:
I think this will provide valuable insight as to expectations for this phone. Personally I have used smartphones since I can remember and I was bread to expect a nightly charge.
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A nightly charge is acceptable. It's when you have to charge 2-3 times a day from moderate usage that is a little out of hand... Understandable that with heavier usage, more frequent charges would be needed.
Wat kernel is best for saving battery life.. i use CM6 NB
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Wat kernel is best for saving battery life.. i use CM6 NB
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Off Topic.
I want to power a small village from my phone please
I want my phone to last a day. And call a typical day something like:
- l/2-1 hour talk
- 12-24 text messages
- 45 minutes - 2 hours web browsing
- 2 hours music
My iPhone 3GS would do this without a problem, my wife's iPhone 4 might do 2 days like this. The EVO just barely does this.
But.. I prefer the EVO for enough reasons I just dropped $10 for 2 extra batteries and a phone-less charger on ebay, and keep chargers in the car and at my desk, and get it plugged in for like 30 minutes somewhere during the day. I rarely use the backup batteries, but it is nice to have them.
Totally worth it for a bigger screen, 4G, more open OS.
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I want my phone to last a day. And call a typical day something like:
- l/2-1 hour talk
- 12-24 text messages
- 45 minutes - 2 hours web browsing
- 2 hours music
My iPhone 3GS would do this without a problem, my wife's iPhone 4 might do 2 days like this. The EVO just barely does this.
But.. I prefer the EVO for enough reasons I just dropped $10 for 2 extra batteries and a phone-less charger on ebay, and keep chargers in the car and at my desk, and get it plugged in for like 30 minutes somewhere during the day. I rarely use the backup batteries, but it is nice to have them.
Totally worth it for a bigger screen, 4G, more open OS.
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This definitely sounds doable. If you aren't getting that out of your phone, I'd reccomend calling support. I'm going to assume your dedication has already lead you down your own troubleshooting path.
My standard was set with my BlackBerry: less than 5% discharge rate per hour under normal use, and I am happy.
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Hey planning to get a desire for my girl. is there any major problem with it. e.g. x10 no MT and volume is quite soft. And batt should last around a day(20 Hour) right??
So please help. i don't want to get a phone that she will hate.
Hi Mate
I have owned many phones from iphones to Blackberry's to Symbian based units. I can confirm personally that the desire coupled with the Android OS is quite posiblly the best phone I have ever owned.
I have a few issues with it which are:
The battery is poor - its a day with normal use
The Loud Speaker is rubbish compared to the iphone
It can make calls in your pocket after you put the phone down if you are not careful
Other than that though it is perfect although I would have liked a screen as big as the HD2
Its GPS is spot on and much faster and more accurate than the iphone. Most apps load instantly and its just so responsive.
I am not a HTC Fanboy, this phone is just good!
wow tt great=) just what i need to hear. thanks=)
The desire is way better than my last wm6.5 phone. Internet is quick. Applications load really fast. You get to do a lot of things faster on this phone. Only problem is the battery does not last too long. But than again i got everything turn on like 3g, wifi, bluetooth and i run msn as well in the background. Battery would only last till about 2 or 3 in the afternoon. I abuse the phone quite a fair bit thats one of the reasons why the battery drains so fast. I do carry a spare with me. At least i have the option to swap battery unlike the iphone.
from what you guys have experienced so far with whats out there hows the battery life on the phones you guys are using? is it better than the battery life on the touch pro 2? how does it compare with android and iphone battery life?
I personally think my Mozart's battery life is better than my 3GS, both in its iOSv3 and iOSv4 incarnations.
Or maybe its because of the lack of battery percentage labels (whereas the iOSv3 onwards has this) that I had "unfairly" diagnosed this.
Nevertheless, I think you should check out Anandtech's review, which covers battery life. However that will just give you a rough gauge. Alot still depends on your own usage.
My hd7 beats my htc desire by about 10%
Trophy 7 seems to be the same as HD2 when wireless and bluetooth are off. However, when I turn wireless and/or bluetooth on, the Trophy 7 is way better than the hd2
HD7 has been pretty up and down for me versus my old TP2 or HD2. Sometimes it's better, sometimes it's not. Last night, I left it unplugged for like 6 hours on standby and the entire battery was drained in the morning... but that only happened once in the week since I've had it. I'm not really sure to be honest.
Im really positively surprised about the battery life on my omnia 7. I have 2 exchange accounts on push, a bunch of location services and apps on all the time.
With medium usage I get about 1 1/2 days and if I dont touch the phone and just leave it running with all the services and exchange, I almost get 3 days of battery life.
For me it's pretty good. Had a bunch of smartphones in the last few years and this one lasts the longest. Even my gf's iphone4 doesnt last that much...
The HD7s could be much better from my experience with it.
The battery life of my Trophy depends on the signal rate.
At home I get easily 2 day's with one charge, thats with some calling, texting, internet, marketplace, video/music.
But at work where the signal is really low, i hardly get one day :S
it has a battery, when it gets low, I plug it in....
Really, battery life is always gonna be one of those, YMMV things.
Depends on signal strength, how often the screen is on, how often you actually use your phone, screen backlight settings.
I will never let battery life be the determining factor on purchasing a phone. I keep a charger in my car, a charger at work, and if needed, I'd buy extra batteries and a charging station. I haven't done that yet, so battery life for me is OK.
A very simple quick question : Is the battery life of the Desire HD better or worse than the original Desire? (because right now the only thing that is between getting the DHD or the Desire is the battery life issue) I am much satisfied how the old Desire performs in batterywise (by reading the forums and reviews) but all the bad comments of the DHD dreads me to make the deal.
Have anyone used (or better owned) both devices and know any differences of these 2 devices with same level of usage? Can actually the improvement of the CPU compensate the drain due to the screen?
Some facts I expect from the device:
1. Dont need hourly updating with twitter fb etc or regular sense Sync. (once or twice a day is more than enough)
2. Looking forward to have a fairly moderate use of the screen for browsing ebooks etc.
3. Not heavy on making long calls.
4. Dont want to use spare batteries and nowhere to charge during the day after leaving home. So it MUST last 24hrs.
PLEASE share your experience, or I m afraid I might endup with the wrong phone for the next 2 years! Thank you all for your valuable comments....
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A very simple quick question : Is the battery life of the Desire HD better or worse than the original Desire? (because right now the only thing that is between getting the DHD or the Desire is the battery life issue) I am much satisfied how the old Desire performs in batterywise (by reading the forums and reviews) but all the bad comments of the DHD dreads me to make the deal.
Have anyone used (or better owned) both devices and know any differences of these 2 devices with same level of usage? Can actually the improvement of the CPU compensate the drain due to the screen?
Some facts I expect from the device:
1. Dont need hourly updating with twitter fb etc or regular sense Sync. (once or twice a day is more than enough)
2. Looking forward to have a fairly moderate use of the screen for browsing ebooks etc.
3. Not heavy on making long calls.
4. Dont want to use spare batteries and nowhere to charge during the day after leaving home. So it MUST last 24hrs.
PLEASE share your experience, or I m afraid I might endup with the wrong phone for the next 2 years! Thank you all for your valuable comments....
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Roughly the same battery life for me.
Cheers from my DHD.
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Roughly the same battery life for me.
Cheers from my DHD.
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@junta_mpb Thanks for the instant reply. So I ll take that DHD can last the day by my usage pattern right?
Ok now Much more convinced to make the deal with DHD .
So I presume the battery killer about the DHD is the screen. And for a day that I might need more juice till late, I spare the screen usage and be ok right? I also saw that the 2G can go upto 9+hrs! So it seems calling may not have a big impact.
Just curious how much do you think it will last, if I got a DHD, with my usage pattern, with additional 30mins gaming a day? Thanks a lot for the replies.
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@junta_mpb Thanks for the instant reply. So I ll take that DHD can last the day by my usage pattern right?
Ok now Much more convinced to make the deal with DHD .
So I presume the battery killer about the DHD is the screen. And for a day that I might need more juice till late, I spare the screen usage and be ok right? I also saw that the 2G can go upto 9+hrs! So it seems calling may not have a big impact.
Just curious how much do you think it will last, if I got a DHD, with my usage pattern, with additional 30mins gaming a day? Thanks a lot for the replies.
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Text and calls don't seem to affect usage a lot. Based on what you wrote, I would say reading your books will eat the most out of your battery. I'm going out on a limb here and will say you should easily get more than 14 hours with heavy usage/e book reading. By heavy I mean more than 3 hours screen time.
3g is the biggest drain of the battery, in my experience and even with it on, I still get more than 14 hours with lots of surfing with around 3 hours screen time.
Standby drain with hourly sync takes 1% per hour.
Cheers from my DHD.
My battery is better than normal desire. I can actually playing most of the day with it and still have some juice left till I plug it in....
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@junta_mpb an @MattSkeet Many thanks again. Getting a solid picture now
Just another quick question, do you keep the syncing, email and social network updates, to frequent checking (for ex 1 hr basis) and use GPS daily?
And how much "screen time" roughly do you get until the battery level gets critical?
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Text and calls don't seem to affect usage a lot. Based on what you wrote, I would say reading your books will eat the most out of your battery. I'm going out on a limb here and will say you should easily get more than 14 hours with heavy usage/e book reading. By heavy I mean more than 3 hours screen time.
3g is the biggest drain of the battery, in my experience and even with it on, I still get more than 14 hours with lots of surfing with around 3 hours screen time.
Standby drain with hourly sync takes 1% per hour.
Cheers from my DHD.
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I forgot to mention, all the time quotes are when the phone reaches 30%. You can actually get more out of it if you push it further.
Cheers from my DHD.
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@junta_mpb an @MattSkeet Many thanks again. Getting a solid picture now
Just another quick question, do you keep the syncing, email and social network updates, to frequent checking (for ex 1 hr basis) and use GPS daily?
And how much "screen time" roughly do you get until the battery level gets critical?
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Mine is set to hourly sync. Screen time is typically around 3+ hours.
Again, this usage gets me to 30%. I usually change then.
Cheers from my DHD.
I am fortunate enough to have both devices. I see myself as an average user and I easily get through a day with my dhd, 24hrs plus.
The battery life on my desire is abit better but not by much as I always plug it in every night in anycase.
I have Facebook, emails sync every hour, WiFi on the whole time, 30 to 40 mins of gaming, and listening to some music when I'm bored, 10 to 15 min on the web, atleast 4 calls made or received and texting the whole time. This is average usage for me, so I think you should be fine.
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PC Pro put the DHD at the bottom in its battery tests, lower than the Desire. But in the alternate universe inhabited by some people in this forum, I'm sure the Desire is better.
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PC Pro put the DHD at the bottom in its battery tests, lower than the Desire. But in the alternate universe inhabited by some people in this forum, I'm sure the Desire is better.
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@bobbyelliott maybe functions that didnt much affect the battery of the Desire (screen usage I presume) due to AMOLED, have greater effect on the DHD, and vice versa?
But getting mixed reviews is confusing. Shame that I dont know anyone with a DHD to check hands-on. And the battery needs some time to adjust, as I ve seen in this forum posts, and they had done the battery test straight out of the box I think?
Anyway I m still leaning towards the DHD for its big screen. But I dont see a point buying such a powerhouse with so much underpowered battery.
Maybe should I wait and see if something like Thunderbolt gets available for sim-free?
had Desire for 6 months and am a DHD user for less than 3 weeks now..
battery life is very similar, maybe slightly better on Desire..
am a light user; 5-10 sms per day, a call or two, sync only gmail & weather (every 2 hrs).. some web surfing (30 minutes) and installing/uninstalling of apps..
with above usage i charge battery every 2 days
I can't compare with the Desire (I'm comming from a Touch HD - the greatest phone of it's time ), but I can easyly get through the day with one charge. Obviously the screen is the biggest drain, so if you need the battery to last more, you have to limit your "screen time" and I keep my brightness set to auto. Due to the nature of my job, I make a lot of calls (maybe 40-50 mins a day), browsing+XDA ~40 mins a day, ebooks for about 30 mins (screen brightnes set to minimum for that), and when I have to use GPS (very rarely), I always charge the phone during that time, because I use GPS only while driving. Also I'm almost always on 3G, wifi and bluetooth always on. I don't use facebook or twitter, but I sync the news feeds, weather, POP3 mail, gmail is set to push, sense is also syncing... and I think that's about everything worth mentioning.
I rarely play games though, so this might bring the battery down if you do, but I think you can still get through the day (actually that's 16 not 24 hours - you have to sleep sometime ). Also if you have a "battery heavy" day, you can always put some juice in the phone while driving home after work.
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@junta_mpb an @MattSkeet Many thanks again. Getting a solid picture now
Just another quick question, do you keep the syncing, email and social network updates, to frequent checking (for ex 1 hr basis) and use GPS daily?
And how much "screen time" roughly do you get until the battery level gets critical?
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Here is roughly my day.
Wake up at 6am phone off the charger walk to work and play on it for about 15min.
During work I play (same games some internet some engadget ) here and there for about 10min plus 30+ on my break so all together will be more than 1,5hrs finish work at 4pm and my battery is at about 60-70% get back home surf the net for half hour and turn on hotspot (don't have proper internet at home) this itself drains a lot of battery but if I don't use hotspot and play with the phone instead I manage to get till about 5 5,30 till phone battery goes down to 20% and this is very heavy usage. Had days (Fridays ;p) where after work I didn't use the phone much just few text and it lasted me till next day with about 15% left.
Things is I don't call much. I have 900min and this month used only 100 (lol)
My updates are every 3hrs, push for gmail (i have one account for my regular emails and one just to store contacts without any crappy email addresses) gmail used as exchange account.
Screen on 23% brightness.
Lately battery is draining fast because I've installed whatsapp as my miss is abroad so we save some pennies
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[SOLVED] Final Decision : Going with the Original Desire!
I was doing some more research, and Decided to buy the 'Old' Desire
And Thank you all for your contribution with experiences and thoughts, guys trust me it did help eventhough I didnt go for the DHD !
So for everyone I m gonna breakdown the reasons for my decision. (at least on the paper Desire outscored the DHD)
Battery Life
A huge factor if not the critical. I found that Desire has better Battery life than DHD, in comments I found Desire "Only lasts a day\ have to recharge everyday" etc and with DHD I found "Battery life is abysmal dont last the day\ have to plug in for midday charge" etc, but I know some of you guys anyway manage to keep the juice to last the day, anyway Desire 1 point...
Quadrant Score
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/ (with 1GHz ranking) WOW this is INCREDIBLE ! Desire outsmarted the DHD came up with 3rd in benchmark with 1. Samsung Epic 4G 2. Samsung Galaxy S 3. LG Optimus 2X (dual core anyway) so its actually second place considering both first two are identical. (now who says Desire is not for gaming???)
Techradar No. 1 phone of all times
with DHD on the 3rd place http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...e-phones-in-the-world-today-645440?artc_pg=21
Pixel Density
Not a big point but anyway a point for desire.
Looks
DHD looks minimalistic on the face and Desire looks good too. And the physical Buttons on Desire... (are they better than the capacitive counterparts?)
Design
I dont like the patchy design of the DHD to be honest. Looks less durable and what about the gap between the bottom door? Cant put a custom cover to get bigger battery even. And the kickstand is utterly useless for many if used with a casing which is mostly the case. And the camera protruding out is menacing and accident prone.
Size and Weight
164g Vs 135g big deal. Pocketability issues, bulge, and for the long hours at the University it's gonna cost me some uncomfortable time.
Camera
Desire's cam is not the best, washed off colors etc.. but is the cam on the DHD fantastic? Nope, focus errors, too much sharpening etc. But HD footage is really cool. Not a big improvement worth considering I think.
DHD issues
Reception issues, (death grip?) , Sometimes lagging (occational 100% CPU usage, saw in a thread in XDA) Desire's problems were ironed out mostly I guess with the hardware revisions. No more overheat etc....
Loudness
Desire is louder than DHD http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire-review-468p8.php and http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire_... my Desire. Any more comments are welcome. :D
Just one more thing to add, I think the DHD is an overkill. They've got the same snappy so the apps should run at the same speed. And android doesnt have too many 3D games (yet) and I think Desire will do fine until at least the end of this year. Then the dual core phone will go mainstream and prices will fall. So even with the Adreno 205 I dont think DHD is leaps and bounds ahead of the Desire in technology aspect. (buy anyway we can port the DHD rom to desire !!)
Cheers.
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Just one more thing to add, I think the DHD is an overkill. They've got the same snappy so the apps should run at the same speed. And android doesnt have too many 3D games (yet) and I think Desire will do fine until at least the end of this year. Then the dual core phone will go mainstream and prices will fall. So even with the Adreno 205 I dont think DHD is leaps and bounds ahead of the Desire in technology aspect. (buy anyway we can port the DHD rom to desire !!)
Cheers.
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It's not the same snappy. Desire hd has the second generation version which uses less power and overclocks better.
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Near 2 months of using DHD. Battery life is improving.
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This review shows the DHD battery lasts longer:
http://www.fastbutter.com/Article/227/HTC-In-Depth-Review--HTC-Desire-HD
"Despite Desire HD has a battery of 1230 mAh it sweep the carpet with its older sibling Desire with its 1400 mAh battery. When Desire goes out after almost exactly five hours Desire HD still have 19% battery left and rolls on for one hour and two minutes more- despite the smaller battery."
I guess the people with battery problems are having the cpu draining /init bug.
Hi Guys,
I actually have a HD7m but my dad quite liked the 4.3 inch screen and was now asking me to buy a similar handset. We went out and he was quite impressed with the Desire HD.
But the catch, when I researched online, I found out the battery issue on practically every thread and community.
Now my problem: He is an old man and can get cranky at times. Currently owes a Nokia C6 and is pissed with the touch screen. So is it wise to buy him Desire HD even with the bad battery life?
Or worse case scenario, I swap my HD7 for his Desire HD????
Should I go for it or should can you guys suggest something else equally fluid??
It doesn't have battery issues once calibrated. I have 1-5mA battery drain on standby, that's even when running MSN and CallerID2Voice App in the background. And I can still get hours out of it when using it. Just recharge it every-night. I doubt your dad will be a smartphone addicted guy.
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It doesn't have battery issues once calibrated. I have 1-5mA battery drain on standby, that's even when running MSN and CallerID2Voice App in the background. And I can still get hours out of it when using it. Just recharge it every-night. I doubt your dad will be a smartphone addicted guy.
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Hey,
Thanx...no he isn't a smart phone addicted guy. But the battery was so obvious an issue, I had to ask the experts here. Also, what exactly do you mean by 'calibrated'?
I mean, I have been an Android user before, but not quite sure what calibration is ?
He is a simple user with checking some mails everyday, music and some websites may be...thats about it, HTC Sense and all makes no difference to him actually...
If its battery life your after, buy a Johns Phone, you get 3 weeks between charges.
After you battery has been "run in" and calibrated you will get at least a day with light usage. Remember this is a powerful smartphone.
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Hey,
Thanx...no he isn't a smart phone addicted guy. But the battery was so obvious an issue, I had to ask the experts here. Also, what exactly do you mean by 'calibrated'?
I mean, I have been an Android user before, but not quite sure what calibration is ?
He is a simple user with checking some mails everyday, music and some websites may be...thats about it, HTC Sense and all makes no difference to him actually...
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The battery calibration concerns only those who are using a custom rom. (here's a short article with app that does it for you if you're interested). I wouldn't recommend the DHD for my own father. Whatever you do to it you'll almost always have to charge it overnight, with stock rom it could be even twice a day. This isn't a problem for smartphone enthusiasts, but for oldschool people (like my father) who think phones should last a week without charging this can be quite off-putting. The DHD is also starting to get kinda old already, so you might wanna take a look at some newer phones. A good alternative could be the Desire S, as it has almost the same features with a slightly better battery.
And to those who can't admit that the DHD has bad battery life I just have to say that the out-of-the-box battery life could and should be a lot better. To get it lasting as it should takes a bit of effort which shouldn't be required from a normal user.
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The battery calibration concerns only those who are using a custom rom. (here's a short article with app that does it for you if you're interested). I wouldn't recommend the DHD for my own father. Whatever you do to it you'll almost always have to charge it overnight, with stock rom it could be even twice a day. This isn't a problem for smartphone enthusiasts, but for oldschool people (like my father) who think phones should last a week without charging this can be quite off-putting. The DHD is also starting to get kinda old already, so you might wanna take a look at some newer phones. A good alternative could be the Desire S, as it has almost the same features with a slightly better battery.
And to those who can't admit that the DHD has bad battery life I just have to say that the out-of-the-box battery life could and should be a lot better. To get it lasting as it should takes a bit of effort which shouldn't be required from a normal user.
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Thanx so much...that was really helpful...albeit your explanation on battery life, I just wanted to add that he was in love with the 4.3 inch screen...and only HD7 is the other device with that screen size...So I think Desire S is also a good option...let me check with him...
Again, Thanx!
depend on what you consider a good battery life, some may say getting a day is good enough, but some define good as atleast 2 days.
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And to those who can't admit that the DHD has bad battery life I just have to say that the out-of-the-box battery life could and should be a lot better. To get it lasting as it should takes a bit of effort which shouldn't be required from a normal user.
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Absolutely right. I'm tired of hearing people evangelising that the DHD's battery is fine. It patently is not. Even when you severly rein back the device's features (features which HTC flaunted to get us all hooked), one ends up with 25-30% at the day's end.... And if you have a 'heavy' day of calls/browsing etc, you'll have to top up to get through the day.
But I still regard HTC as just about the best of a bad bunch...
Ok, sorry to hijack this thread a little.
The battery is fine, there are no issues with the battery. Your problem with the battery is that its small. Before you bought the phone did you not look into the battery capacity? I did, I knew it was smaller than the Desire's battery. Out-of-the-box it will act like any other lithium-ion battery that is just out-of-the-box. That "bit of effort" , what, plugging in your charger when it requires a charge.
These guides to correctly charge lithium-ion batteries are largely mumbo jumbo (charge to 100%, turn off, charge again for 250,000 hours, turn on, drain battery, rinse & repeat). Just charge it overnight, when your asleep.
Any smartphone with comparable usage will last around the same time and require a daily charge. If you want a phone that will last days between charges, don't buy a smartphone.
If you turn off all the bells & whistles, use 2G only and use it only for calls & sms', just like a regular phone. It will last days between charges.
If you want a powerful smartphone with a large screen, and lots of features, your battery is going to pay for it.
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Ok, sorry to hijack this thread a little.
Before you bought the phone did you not look into the battery capacity? I did, I knew it was smaller than the Desire's battery. Out-of-the-box it will act like any other lithium-ion battery that is just out-of-the-box. That "bit of effort" , what, plugging in your charger when it requires a charge.
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I'm not sure anybody on this forum expects days of use between charges - we're not daft. What I expect is to not have power-saving mode kick in by late afternoon when I'm nowhere near a charger, and I've not used the thing particularly heavily.
It's not right to conclude that others didn't read up on the battery before purchasing. You have no basis for drawing such conclusions.
HTC marketed the DHD on the basis that it's architecture was such that it didn't need a higher-capacity battery to do its job. Based on the fact that I'd had pretty good experiences with my previous HTCs, I saw no reason to doubt this.
In any case, just because you don't mind charging your phone part-way through a day, doesn't mean that everybody else should be happy with that.
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baste07 said:
depend on what you consider a good battery life, some may say getting a day is good enough, but some define good as atleast 2 days.
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That's why I said that there are "oldschool people" (like my father) who think the battery should last a week. I don't mind charging the phone every night, but there are people who can't cope with such a "short" battery life. That's why the battery life of the DHD should be taken under consideration when buying a new phone.
andyharney said:
Ok, sorry to hijack this thread a little.
The battery is fine, there are no issues with the battery. Your problem with the battery is that its small. Before you bought the phone did you not look into the battery capacity? I did, I knew it was smaller than the Desire's battery. Out-of-the-box it will act like any other lithium-ion battery that is just out-of-the-box. That "bit of effort" , what, plugging in your charger when it requires a charge.
Any smartphone with comparable usage will last around the same time and require a daily charge. If you want a phone that will last days between charges, don't buy a smartphone.
If you turn off all the bells & whistles, use 2G only and use it only for calls & sms', just like a regular phone. It will last days between charges.
If you want a powerful smartphone with a large screen, and lots of features, your battery is going to pay for it.
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I didn't mean that the battery was bad quality or anything, just that it is a bit too small for such a powerful phone. And yes I was aware of the battery capacity and I don't mind, but again there are people that require more from their phones.
And the instructions to close connections when you're not using them and turning down the screen brightness etc. are plain stupid. I bought a smartphone so that I can get my email whenever and wherever and to enjoy the big screen and not so that I can receive emails only when I choose to and so that I have to squint to see something from the screen when the brightness is set to the lowest. This is just a couple of the features I need ofcourse, but for me it's important to always receive emails instantly and not only when I can afford to spend some battery on internet connection.
When I was still running stock rom I could barely get through a day at work (8 hours). I had mobile network on the whole time and the screen brightness set at about 50% (which I think should be used at 100% all the time to really enjoy the screen) I talked for about half an hour during the days, sent 10 texts and listened to music/played/surfed on the internet for about 3 hours in all. When I got home I had to charge it. This ofcourse is everything one could need, but there are smartphones with better battery life.
Now of ofcourse when I have a custom rom that's tweaked and everything there's no problem with battery life, but that shouldn't be necessary to do and it's quite a lot to ask just so you can have a decent battery life. That's why I was talking about out-of-the-box battery life.
Hawks556 said:
That's why I said that there are "oldschool people" (like my father) who think the battery should last a week. I don't mind charging the phone every night, but there are people who can't cope with such a "short" battery life. That's why the battery life of the DHD should be taken under consideration when buying a new phone.
I didn't mean that the battery was bad quality or anything, just that it is a bit too small for such a powerful phone. And yes I was aware of the battery capacity and I don't mind, but again there are people that require more from their phones.
And the instructions to close connections when you're not using them and turning down the screen brightness etc. are plain stupid. I bought a smartphone so that I can get my email whenever and wherever and to enjoy the big screen and not so that I can receive emails only when I choose to and so that I have to squint to see something from the screen when the brightness is set to the lowest. This is just a couple of the features I need ofcourse, but for me it's important to always receive emails instantly and not only when I can afford to spend some battery on internet connection.
When I was still running stock rom I could barely get through a day at work (8 hours). I had mobile network on the whole time and the screen brightness set at about 50% (which I think should be used at 100% all the time to really enjoy the screen) I talked for about half an hour during the days, sent 10 texts and listened to music/played/surfed on the internet for about 3 hours in all. When I got home I had to charge it. This ofcourse is everything one could need, but there are smartphones with better battery life.
Now of ofcourse when I have a custom rom that's tweaked and everything there's no problem with battery life, but that shouldn't be necessary to do and it's quite a lot to ask just so you can have a decent battery life. That's why I was talking about out-of-the-box battery life.
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If you want to receive emails and text, I find that GSM is fine for that. If you want to go internet browsing, just switch on to 3G.
Smartphones these days have basically a different definition of battery life to the old nokia symbian and similar phones of old. Those could go up to a week. Smartphones on the other hand are considered awesome if they can last 3.
I do have to say ultimately I think HTC sold the battery life a bit short on the DHD. 1230mah I think is really just making way for all the other top-of-the-line features that it had when it came out.
HTC have released a great number of variants of this phone now, all with better iterations of design and also with bigger batteries because of this.
1400-1500mah (or even above) I think is really what you need with a 4.3" display phone. 1230 would be far more acceptable for a <4" display. Although it can be made quite livable for a day or two with an excellent custom rom, I don't really think it's enough for a basic consumer using the standard rom. That and the speaker/audio out are the two biggest pitfalls of the DHD imo.
Sensation is now HTC's newest 4.3" phone which has a good 1500mah battery. I hope Sense 3.0 doesn't wear it down too fast!
Ultimate thoughts: Although it's a great phone, I think it's a power user's phone more than anything. You will definitely only get the best out of it by customising to it's best potential, which is also when you get acceptable battery life. If you don't, it really does seem a waste.
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When I was still running stock rom I could barely get through a day at work (8 hours). I had mobile network on the whole time and the screen brightness set at about 50% (which I think should be used at 100% all the time to really enjoy the screen) I talked for about half an hour during the days, sent 10 texts and listened to music/played/surfed on the internet for about 3 hours in all. When I got home I had to charge it. This ofcourse is everything one could need, but there are smartphones with better battery life.
Now of ofcourse when I have a custom rom that's tweaked and everything there's no problem with battery life
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I had the same sort of expectancy out of the battery using it moderately during a day at work out of the box. However with custom ROM installed I have found the battery to last easily the whole day with the same usage and probably have approx 40 - 50% left after 15hrs on battery.
just my 2c
andyharney said:
Ok, sorry to hijack this thread a little.
The battery is fine, there are no issues with the battery. Your problem with the battery is that its small. Before you bought the phone did you not look into the battery capacity? I did, I knew it was smaller than the Desire's battery. Out-of-the-box it will act like any other lithium-ion battery that is just out-of-the-box. That "bit of effort" , what, plugging in your charger when it requires a charge.
These guides to correctly charge lithium-ion batteries are largely mumbo jumbo (charge to 100%, turn off, charge again for 250,000 hours, turn on, drain battery, rinse & repeat). Just charge it overnight, when your asleep.
Any smartphone with comparable usage will last around the same time and require a daily charge. If you want a phone that will last days between charges, don't buy a smartphone.
If you turn off all the bells & whistles, use 2G only and use it only for calls & sms', just like a regular phone. It will last days between charges.
If you want a powerful smartphone with a large screen, and lots of features, your battery is going to pay for it.
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I am extremely sorry but I disagree with u completely. You are talking as if you buy an expensive car but dont drive it too much as it eats a lot of fuel. If you want to just drive around, why dont you just get yourself a mopet. The point is, i have bought an expensive car TO DRIVE it around. If I buy a smartphone and not use its SMART features, why am I buying it for??? If I practically shut all the reasons why I bought this phone, WHY the hell am I buying it??
There is an old saying that comes to mind that it takes guts to stay in the minority. If the battery is flawed, ACCEPT it.
Anyways, I have got my answer. Thanx for your reply nonetheless.
As everyone says depends on usage.
For one thing i went from 80mA down to 8mA just by updating the radio which came stock.
Now with a different rom and kernel I get -1mA on standby, juicedefender is also a nice app. The battery life depends on your setup though, I easily get 2 days of moderate use/music/games/calls etc.
jpinky said:
As everyone says depends on usage.
For one thing i went from 80mA down to 8mA just by updating the radio which came stock.
Now with a different rom and kernel I get -1mA on standby, juicedefender is also a nice app. The battery life depends on your setup though, I easily get 2 days of moderate use/music/games/calls etc.
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Hey thanx man...But was just wondering, with very moderate usage, will it still be over in no time?
Also, the other thing worrying me is the memory card issue...I cant afford to lose one card after another once I buy an expensive phone, u know what I mean...
The battery life is acceptable with moderate use on stock rom, if you're a power user you will have to stay close to a charger
There's no memory card issue from the DHD's part, it's just the crappy "freebie" sdcard (samsung?) which comes with the phone that stops working. The people who are complaining that the DHD breaks sdcards are those who buy cheap, bad quality sdcards or get a warranty replacement for the original one, which will be just as bad. The solution to this is to buy a better quality microsd card (costs about 15€) if the original stops working. Mine's still working great though.
Hawks556 said:
The battery life is acceptable with moderate use on stock rom, if you're a power user you will have to stay close to a charger
There's no memory card issue from the DHD's part, it's just the crappy "freebie" sdcard (samsung?) which comes with the phone that stops working. The people who are complaining that the DHD breaks sdcards are those who buy cheap, bad quality sdcards or get a warranty replacement for the original one, which will be just as bad. The solution to this is to buy a better quality microsd card (costs about 15€) if the original stops working. Mine's still working great though.
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After receiving a replacement 'new' phone, and having problems with my SD Card from the very second it switched on, I complained to HTC about the issue and the man on the end of the phone admitted around 500,000 phones that had been dispatched has been shipped with KNOWN issues & SD Card incapabilities. If you went out today and bought a brand spanking new card, in theory the phone WOULD NOT and the SD Card WOULD NOT fail.
mjt said:
I'm not sure anybody on this forum expects days of use between charges - we're not daft. What I expect is to not have power-saving mode kick in by late afternoon when I'm nowhere near a charger, and I've not used the thing particularly heavily.
It's not right to conclude that others didn't read up on the battery before purchasing. You have no basis for drawing such conclusions.
HTC marketed the DHD on the basis that it's architecture was such that it didn't need a higher-capacity battery to do its job. Based on the fact that I'd had pretty good experiences with my previous HTCs, I saw no reason to doubt this.
In any case, just because you don't mind charging your phone part-way through a day, doesn't mean that everybody else should be happy with that.
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I don't mean to hijack you here mate, but you assume/claim that:
'HTC marketed the DHD on the basis that it's architecture was such that it didn't need a higher-capacity battery to do its job.'
Well I take it that you assume this on the basis that Leprechauns are real and are roaming New York city as we speak? If HTC were doing any market research at all, they would realize that even devices with smaller screens have a bigger battery than the one they have put into the DhD, including the Desire Z & Desire's batteries?
I remember when I was looking at reviews for the original Desire, as I fancied one, the main complaints were the battery life, and the fact people only got a day's charge on it. So I thought fair do's, big screen, big price to pay? If HTC had done any research, they would have realized that people wanted better battery life, a better quality screen, better sound quality?
You want to know what the real reason is behind HTC putting a small battery inside the Device? Well it's the fact that the entire thing was rushed, and I mean rushed? There's evidence of this in the build quality, the software, the placing of different things within the phone and also the bad batch issues HTC experienced.
The HD was leaked in September/October, it was released by November, this is not normal for any device that becomes 'leaked'. HTC used a bad screen, imported most of the software from the original Desire, obviously making edits to make it Sense 2.0, but you can clearly see they didn't change everything? If you set the Android Pattern Lock Screen, you can see that it doesn't fill the whole screen, the IME is the standard HTC one with some arrows slapped in at the bottom? They didn't even change the size of the keyboard?, this is more evident if you use the IME in landscape mode, its hard.
What sort of company places an Antenna in the Battery Cover? It's true, remove your Battery Cover and you'll loose all signal? Pretty risky move for HTC, seeing as the Battery Cover is VERY easy to 'accidently' break, and frankly your screwed then right? It's like they designed the phone, forgot the Antenna, then quickly though 'Where the f*** is this going?' and decided to place it there? In my opinion, and a few others, they did this with the battery, they made the device too thin, and in reality they just couldn't fit everything in. The Desire S which is slightly thicker, packs a brilliant battery. Problem solved.
The build quality of the phone, is not one of a £500 price tag. Some parts of the phone squeak whereas others just do not feel adequate to the pricing of the device. There again we live in a world where no matter how much you pay, something always seems to be wrong.
Sorry if I have offended any HTC lovers, all attacks on my and opinions against me are welcome, don't get me wrong, I love my phone and I can cope with charging the battery every night. Chao.