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HTC Polaris - new HTC Artemis!!!

HTC Polaris: a GPS-communicator with VGA
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The HTC roadmap published at CTIA Miami site contains the description of HTC Polaris. It is designed for GSM and WCDMA networks. Its design resembles that of HTC Artemis (P3300), however it has more powerful features: a VGA-display, large memory size, a 3-megapixel camera and so on.
The specs of HTC Polaris:
* Networks - GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 MHz, WCDMA/HSDPA 2100 MHz
* Operating system - Windows Mobile 6 Professional
* Chipset - Qualcomm MSM7200 (CPU 400 MHz)
* Display – 3.5” touchscreen VGA
* 128 MB RAM, 256 MB ROM
* MicroSD-slot
* Bluetooth, Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g
* 3-megapixel camera with auto focus
* miniUSB, USB 1.1
* Digital compass
* GPS/AGPS
* FM-radio
This is the only device from the roadmap with the approximate release date (set for October 2007).
http://www.mobile-review.com/fullnews/main/2007/June/22_eng.shtml#14509
WOW!

A faster CPU, VGA screen, and 3MP camera would be great!

Seems to be the perfect device.
Expect 3 things:
to big (3,5" Display)
No SDHC, and only MicroSD (should be SD compared to size)
No USB-Host

Display – 3.5” touchscreen VGA
if this also is true...... eat **** iphone

I think i've found my next phone come upgrade time.
please tell me it has a 3.5mm headphone socket and I will kiss you.

HTC get a deal to have opera installed and market this one well and it could piss all over iphone sales.
Imagine the adverts now;
iPhone.......Oh is that all it does

I already see the iPhone as inferior. First of all...who cares about Apple - thier main marketing tactic is not "look how you can use me" - it's " look how you look with me".
I think its a joke that their iPhone didn't come with built in GPS (look at the tear downs, there is spare room in that phone) (www.ifixit.com) nor is it a 3g phone. I think its rather insulting...only slightly less insulting than the idiots trying to sell them here in Europe when no known way to SIM unlock them exists.
Our phones are light years ahead in basic functionality.
*EDIT*
I stand corrected,
The iPhone can be unlocked....but it is still more hype than the price tag can justify...
http://nanocr.eu/2007/07/03/iphone-without-att/

The only thing I miss about my DXA 2i (HTC Alpine) is the big screen. The Orbit's features with the form factor of the Alpine gets my vote.

I think thats slightly unfair.
Iphone was marketted as being years ahead of it's competitors. Now that's just rubbish in terms of tech and functionality. However I think it's wrong not to give Apple it's dues in terms of interface, all it's pinching and finger sweeping is impressive, and it's no coincidence that we aim to emulate some of this from applications like Slide2Unlock and utilising Wisbar etc to emulate its GUI, to newer advances like HTC's Touchflo
Not only that but I do believe aesthetics are important. The iPhone does actually look good, now taste is a personal thing, but the iPod still manages to outsell much better MP3 players partly based on it's looks, partly it's simple interface, but mainly because iPod bother to market the thing. To me the release of the iPhone is important, not because it's a marvel of technology that deserves to be queued up for in the cold, but because it should give a kick up the arses to HTC et al about how this market should have been theirs by now, but they will watch the PDA/Phone market slip through their fingers unless they do something about it.
The Polaris looks a good step in the right direction, although it's still a bit ugly, but is anyone gonna queue up for it's release? It's the better phone compared to the iPod, but which will we see on the shelves of Phones 4 U and CPW.

This is going to become my next upgrade

Artemis has got a 2.8" Screen, will Polaris really have a 3,5" one???
Since it looks exactly like the artemis i cant believe this. If the display is larger the whole thing would be scaled up by 25%... I hope this is a typing mistake or something.
just made a image to compare sizes:
left is artemis (2.8'' screen), right is polaris (3.5'' screen)
What the iPhone is ahead is the multi-touch screen

If those stats are true, that phone is a beast.

pocketnow.com has a newer concept picture (obviously CG) that is intriguing. In this concept it is using a flush screen like the touch. With the ability to get closer to the edges of the phone it might be less bulky than the scaled picture above.
If that is the case it is going to be a hard choice between the Kaiser and the Polaris. Time will tell I guess.
http://pocketnow.com/html/portal/news/0000004318/NewsImage/POLARIS.jpg

wish list
if only the SIM/mSd slots were accesible from outside!
looking to Janetpanic provided pic from pocketnow, looking to the side of the device, it COULD have slots there
is it just wishfull thinking?

sirgawain123 said:
if only the SIM/mSd slots were accesible from outside!
looking to Janetpanic provided pic from pocketnow, looking to the side of the device, it COULD have slots there
is it just wishfull thinking?
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I don't think it is just wishful thinking, most of HTC's large devices have full sized SD card slots.

This device is definately an Iphone-killer - whoo-ha.
If the people at HTC would get touchflo better implemented...
(there are still "breaks" in the handling of the device where you have to take out the stylus and click on small buttons or use the d-pad...)
For instance you touch to the photos:
Once you open a photo you can´t scroll through all your pictures without using the d-pad - why?
But HTC seems to be on the way... hopefully Tochflo 2.0 solves this and some other issues...
Mic

I did like the look of the iphone at first, it did seem very well done, smooth. Like it all worked together. And with the OS at 700mb I should think so too.
However it has some major MAJOR flaws.
First, no 3G. Which for a phone ahead of its time its not even keeping up with the now.Then there is the lack of MMS. Yup, this future, super advanced phone cant do MMS.
Then the lack of 3rd Party apps. The killer of all. They tie you into a 2 year contract and you cant install your own apps. What about expense tracking? What about en eWallet and WHAT ABOUT GPS!
So apple are saying, their phone which is 5 years ahead of everything else cant do GPS and the other stuff my artemis can? Weird.
Yes the screen is nice and the multi touch too. But that doenst make it ahead of the rest.
If I could have tomtom on it I may be tempted to switch. But its a closed system. Its the reason MACs arnt mainstream and the Commodore Amiga died. Closed architecture is a death sentence to every thing. Closed architecture suits the old folk who just want something to do what it was designed to. I personally love the tweaking and making it do what I want it to.
Bring on the Polaris. Just needs WM7 and its sorted.

Looks like it'll be a super-beefed up artemis rather than a large version which is what I hoped for.

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Looks like it'll be a super-beefed up artemis rather than a large version which is what I hoped for.
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little (BIG) mistake, should be like this:

Is that a nicely done photoshop?

WM 7 on DIAMOND?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-hands-on-and-impressions/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-is-official-and-microsoft-is-playing-to/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_6GMBDG67M
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Would there be a port/nbh?

Sadly I don't think the diamond is powerful enough to run WM7, but surely someone will try to get it running. I may have to buy a new phone when WM7 comes out..

HTCDiamond22 said:
Would there be a port/nbh?
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There is no specifications released yet. For what i've seen on webcast from MWC it's a complite rebuild of OS itself. So even if it will be posible it would be something like porting Android.

Diamond 3
I think the next gen Diamond will probably be able to run it

I believe that it is not a chance that diamond can run wm7. Even if it can run, the animation, transition, 3d will be extremely sluggish and crash everywhere. Sad. I think 6.5.3 is the end of the development for diamond. Time to buy new device everyone.

I won't get my hopes up, but it wouldn't be the first time the xda community surprised me? I remember the first wm 6.5 rom! SO CRAPPY!
I know MS has gotten better code more recently but the optimizations that took foot for sense 2.5, 2.1, and manilla 2.1 to even run are quite impressive!

love all the work here first of all got my diamond a longer live than would hope
i think it's impossible for Windows Phone 7 to run on android.
M$ has stated there are high minimum standards even for todays phones (think 1Ghz proc. 512mb ram min. maybe even dedicated GPU, high resolution screen, capacitive) all attributes the Diamond does not posses.
Not that impressed with WP7 for know but they have a 6 month period to refine and define it.
I would love to see an all out effort to get Andriod to the Diamond, dedicated from first boot and getting everything out of the Diamond.

I heard that WM7 need's a mac to run it.

Just watched the ms video on utube and I must say it looks owesome, but would it make htc sense redundent?

feelings on 7
it would make everything redundant, after looking at the vid, I am guess 1ghz processer minimum, no more sence, this is a new concept, and microsoft will never allow 3rd party interfaces again, they are pushing xbox live and bing, so to me it looks like it will be simply a ms money spinner and thats that. bet appz will only be available from there app store as well, just my feelings on it.

We might not see WM7 for our devices. We'll see a lot that looks like it though!
I think I can envisage similar UIs popping up everywhere.

The diamond does not have Capacitive multitouch screen with is required for Windows Phone 7 series. So, it will not work on the diamond.

WM7 is able to manage Capacitive multitouch screen. It doesn't mean that "NON Capacitive multitouch screen" is not allowed ... I think nobody knows today what is the final spec of WinMO 7

You're all wrong
wmpoweruser.com/?p=13395[/url]
This clearly shows a current 6.5 phone running Windows Mobile 7, and it even says it runs faster than 6.5 does. This means that it probably would run faster on devices that currently run 6.5, sorta like Vista vs. 7. Microsoft haven't released any minimum hardware specs yet, the only things they've said the device requires is a start, home and search button, and they said this for 6.5, and XDA managed to circumvent that .
I think someone in the community will get 7 to run on our old Diamonds, and it may not be as fast as the Leo or some newer phones, but who would expect it to? I think the 600mhzish processors in our devices shouldn't limit us that much.

Apparently WVGA is the minimum resolution required as well, so unless it can be ported then I doubt it

Well it could be a good thing if someone succeed into making a WM7 for our diamonds.
I think, the hard spec will be like HD2. But who knows, this OS may be the third life for the first diamond.
BTW, don't you think the design of the phone on the video is really like diamond design !?

let us just take the first iphone ... it had 400 mhz and just 128 mb ram ... i hope it's right i'm not definetly sure ... the ui on the vid was great ... no question , but the diamond ist so much faster than the first i phone the OS is the part which should use the cpu and gpu right ... i think 1000mhz on the HD2 are way too much ... iphone 3gs has 600 mhz now why the hd2 needs so much .. so i'm sure that wm7 can be ported, like sense, to the diamond.. and release after release it will be better
PS sorry for my english i know it's sometimes hard to understand, i'm german

This article <<HERE>> spells how the Diamond will be no where near compatible with windows mobile 7 in that the processor is too slow.
1 ghz minimum is pretty much an official fact based on the article attached as the HD mini that will be coming out at the end of this year will not even be compatible as these devices are slotted in to run 6.5 or some derivative (i.e. 6.6)

http://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/status/8274606051

band27 said:
This article [pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2359647,00. spells how the Diamond will be no where near compatible with windows mobile 7 in that the processor is too slow.
1 ghz minimum is pretty much an official fact based on the article attached as the HD mini that will be coming out at the end of this year will not even be compatible as these devices are slotted in to run 6.5 or some derivative (i.e. 6.6)
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"The HD Mini will presumably not be upgradeable to Windows Phone 7, as it doesn't have a fast enough processor. "
This is all presumption by pcmag.com, and it has nothing to do with actual information sent out by microsoft. Also, their desktop OSs have pretty high 'minimal specifications' yet hackers find ways to bypass these every time. The Diamond isn't even fast enough to hance 6.5, yet XDA got it to run. Any info microsoft puts out is irrelevant, the only thing that matters is if anyone on XDA gets it running and if it runs well.

Windows Phone 7 Series running on a Touch Pro

just saw this image on twitter -
[image removed] - nothing to see, turns out it was a joke
Please close this thread

Can you provide the source of this picture

Win_XP said:
Can you provide the source of this picture
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malatesta from WMExperts posted this on Twitter - http://twitter.com/malatesta77

Total Fake. I know who did this.
(by the way, you can see when someone simply uses a screenshot from the internet to do such a fake: the live tiles show the same picture as the screenshots on the net)

freyberry said:
Total Fake. I know who did this.
(by the way, you can see when someone simply uses a screenshot from the internet to do such a fake: the live tiles show the same picture as the screenshots on the net)
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well that's depressing - oh well, i found it hard to believe anyway

I heard it's also running on the Himalaya!

haha! It probly would run with all that ram...
I still have my Himalaya aka xda2 in my draw, I cant let it go...

They discussed it here. It's a joke.

wreiad said:
They discussed it here. It's a joke.
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That's talking about an HD2 running WP7S, not the Touch Pro 1 pictured above.
dwizzy130

Windows Mobile 7 requires a minimum of 1 ghz or processing speed.
There is a new HTC HD mini coming out as a lower end HD2 that won't even be compatible to the WM7 series let alone older devices.....
Take a look <<HERE>> for more info.

dwizzy130 said:
That's talking about an HD2 running WP7S, not the Touch Pro 1 pictured above.
dwizzy130
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That's what they said about winmo 6.x. It will never be ported, now what? I believe that when the xda community gets its hands on it, it will be ripped apart in milion small pieces and we'll see then

smoothunit said:
haha! It probly would run with all that ram...
I still have my Himalaya aka xda2 in my draw, I cant let it go...
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me to mines just sitting in a draw i've been looking for the dock for it for ages but i've given up now with my touch hd

wreiad said:
They discussed it here. It's a joke.
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funny...

band27 said:
Windows Mobile 7 requires a minimum of 1 ghz or processing speed.
There is a new HTC HD mini coming out as a lower end HD2 that won't even be compatible to the WM7 series let alone older devices.....
Take a look <<HERE>> for more info.
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So how come the iphone with sub 1ghz could and still provide such fluid UI/screens/Graphics?
This is scary to me. What it means is that the graphics will be bogged down sooner or later, stutter, lag or even freeze if you have many live hubs being updated (or bombarded) simultaneously.
Even in Joe's demo, the Album scrolling was NOT as fluid as a 600mhz iphone.
BAD!

chiks19018 said:
So how come the iphone with sub 1ghz could and still provide such fluid UI/screens/Graphics?
This is scary to me. What it means is that the graphics will be bogged down sooner or later, stutter, lag or even freeze if you have many live hubs being updated (or bombarded) simultaneously.
Even in Joe's demo, the Album scrolling was NOT as fluid as a 600mhz iphone.
BAD!
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Look chiks19018. This is a pre-release OS on a test phone. This is not the real OS. If they were done with the OS it would be released by summer not all the way in Q4 this year. You have to think about things before you make assumptions. Its been annoying me how people would say this OS is slow or laggy when this is NOT THE FINAL OS. I repeat THIS IS NOT THE FINAL OS. This OS was only shown to shut up bloggers with thier WM7 mock-ups or so-called pics(which were quite interesting and I did like some of them). And lets not forgot the amount of animations on this OS compared to the Iphone. Or how deep everything in this OS is connected. This OS from the looks of it is 10x smarter than iphone OS, and when they fix all the bugs and glitches (hopefully be4 release) it will be faster the iphone OS which to me is a very basic, simple OS. Next, the iphone OS was in production for 2 years before they came out and last time I checked when the iphone came out the OS had a crap load of problems. And its taken them 3 updates before they got it right. And I doubt this test phone has a 1ghz processor because of how slow it was running. Again. Pre-release OS. Before you make stupid assumptions at least wait till the OS is released publicly (not beta) before comparing it to the Iphone OS/Iphone thats been updated many times over and has been out for 4 years.
P.S. I hate Iphone, so srry for the hostility.

@the above, we don't even know what hardware it was running on, though I read on Engadget or Gizmodo that it is manufactured by Garmin/Asus (wtf?)
I'm guessing, Chassis 1, but I won't be surprised if it's actually on lesser spec.

chiks19018 said:
So how come the iphone with sub 1ghz could and still provide such fluid UI/screens/Graphics?
This is scary to me. What it means is that the graphics will be bogged down sooner or later, stutter, lag or even freeze if you have many live hubs being updated (or bombarded) simultaneously.
Even in Joe's demo, the Album scrolling was NOT as fluid as a 600mhz iphone.
BAD!
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Remember that any demos illustrations you see today will not represent the final product of tomorrow. WP7 is still in it's prototype phase.
As far as minimum requirements of 1 ghz is concern, this is so WP7 stays super fast and competes or beats other devices on a speed front. Microsoft doesn't wont' sub-par 1ghz phones to be used as so to keep there devices lightening fast.
Once again, wp7 is still a prototype and there is still 10 months to go to clean up many parts of the OS, including smooth and silky operation improvements. WM7 went through the same stages, as I was a beta tester, testing build after build after build and significant improvements kept on coming on a month bases.
My only concern is that this might be rushed and the final product might resemble what Vista represented. A rushed version of WM7. So microsoft saw that and called it "Vista."
I hope this is not the case here but there have been already some talks about this being the case.....

i hope that windows mobile 7 is not a result of rushed development.
band27 said:
Remember that any demos illustrations you see today will not represent the final product of tomorrow. WP7 is still in it's prototype phase.
As far as minimum requirements of 1 ghz is concern, this is so WP7 stays super fast and competes or beats other devices on a speed front. Microsoft doesn't wont' sub-par 1ghz phones to be used as so to keep there devices lightening fast.
Once again, wp7 is still a prototype and there is still 10 months to go to clean up many parts of the OS, including smooth and silky operation improvements. WM7 went through the same stages, as I was a beta tester, testing build after build after build and significant improvements kept on coming on a month bases.
My only concern is that this might be rushed and the final product might resemble what Vista represented. A rushed version of WM7. So microsoft saw that and called it "Vista."
I hope this is not the case here but there have been already some talks about this being the case.....
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WP7s on HD2 - Is it possible?

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So I'm wondering what the concensus is. Are we going to see this or not?
The official word is obviously that there will be no upgrade for the HD2, but people seem to have hope in the community here. I'm not much of a dev/hacker to know for sure, so I'm wondering what you guys think...
The issues I'm hearing are:
Hardware buttons
GPU
On-board storage
Upscalling
The hardware buttons are obviously a non-issue. And from what MS is saying, despite not being able to swap out memory cards, SD storage can be used by OEMs to supplement on-board storage. But I dont know about the GPU and upscaling. Are these built in to the HD2 already? Is the upscaling a hardware or software issue? Are these things a deal breaker??

This would be most excellent if so,I just picked up a HD2 last night and even though I am back to edge speed ( which is not a real issue for me,lots of wifi around.) I LOVE THIS PHONE !!!
Man this thing is making me giggle like a school girl.....

I don't see anyone NOT putting it on there, especially when it hits America (If it hasn't already that is)
HOWEVER, i highly doubt you will want to use it. THey are going the iphone route. NO more File explorer and open source and multi tasking. All the things that made WinMO popular are apparently disappearing.
Disappoints me really. I jumped on the Android train. My first PDA was a dell X50

Bababooey said:
This would be most excellent if so,I just picked up a HD2 last night and even though I am back to edge speed ( which is not a real issue for me,lots of wifi around.) I LOVE THIS PHONE !!!
Man this thing is making me giggle like a school girl.....
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just wondering, why didn't you wait till the 24th to get the one from T-Mobile so you'd have 3g?

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just wondering, why didn't you wait till the 24th to get the one from T-Mobile so you'd have 3g?
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that's what im doing, 4 more days! cannot wait to get my hands on this beast!

All because of $$ !!
M$ want more developer to developes more app and game for WP7S, in order to do that, u need to convince developer that they can make $$ for the app. Currently it is to easy to get craXXk app for WinMo.
M$ learnt the good idea for iPhone by locked down the system so u can only purchase from App Store. By doing these, M$ will stand good chances to complete will iPhone (Gen 4) in the future.
My only wish is : Hopefully M$ don't be hash on XDA, cos i believe XDA will make something interesting from WP7S for HD2 ... i believe.

Althought I'm glad others are showing interest, I was hoping to make this a technical discussion around the facts of whether it can or cannot happen. And maybe at this point the answer is "we dont know." But hopefully we'll get more answers in time...

I think the question is not whether or not the HD2 will receive the upgrade to 7. Officially or unofficially, I think its just a matter of time. May not be as soon as youd like, but I't will get there. Its more a question of how relevant the HD2 will be be the time win7 is made available to it. Also, will there be able to be some kind of dual boot option available. The way 7 is shaping up, I'm not too enthused about only having 7. I would use 7 for gaming, social use, and winMo 6.5 when I'm looking to get my hands dirty.

Is it a Tomtom icon we can see? is the old version or is tomtom already developpe a new one in Sylverlight?

AFAIK that image is simply a skin over the top of WM6.5 rather than WM7s, so it is a current tomtom app

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AFAIK that image is simply a skin over the top of WM6.5 rather than WM7s, so it is a current tomtom app
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No, that image was published on winmo.nl during the Barcelona unveiling of WP7, long before any WP7 skins were created.
Right now it looks like it was either fake (just an HD2 showing a WP7 picture on its screen) or an early development version of the OS, not destined to ever be released on the HD2.
Winmo.nl claimed the TomTom app worked fine on WP7, possibly because 'tomtom was already preparing their software for WP7'.

saints5354 said:
M$ learnt the good idea for iPhone by locked down the system so u can only purchase from App Store. By doing these, M$ will stand good chances to complete will iPhone (Gen 4) in the future.
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It'll probably be iPhone 5g before WP7 will be any threat. iPhone 4g is probably coming out in June/July, a few months before WP7 is even out.

Though the HD2 is a fantastic device and loved by anyone (incl myself) who lays their hands on it, you can't help but feel somewhat bitter that a device of such magnitude is just going to be ANOTHER HTC phone almost solely kept alive by xda-developers.
You can see MS's reasoning. You can love the sheer beauty of the HD2. But Jesus - think of the potential going to waste and how it comes across to consumers who hear 'hey, your device is outdated already'. Consumers that haven't even got the device available in their country yet.
One word - Flash. THAT'S reason enough to be at least a little pissed off as an HD2 user.
A joke, it is - but in XDA I trust.

unfortunately, HD2 doen't support WM 7, WM7 only support 3 solid buttons, no more, no less....
HD2 has 5 solid buttons, so...give up to upgrade to WM 7

If the HD2 has a WP7 test build running on it somewhere at HTC and it gets leaked the HD2 should easily get an unofficial upgrade but if that doesn't happen it won't be easy.

bestfan said:
unfortunately, HD2 doen't support WM 7, WM7 only support 3 solid buttons, no more, no less....
HD2 has 5 solid buttons, so...give up to upgrade to WM 7
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You're clearly new to this part of town...

camera hardware button is also a requirement...

an interesting key i found on my T-Mobile HD2 HKCU\ControlPanel\Keybd\WM7KeybdLayout.

Very strange indeed

I'm pretty sure hardware keys would be irrellivant to getting this on the phone.
My understanding of the key requirements are based upon the chassis version been used with WP7. I think these are basically stipulated purely for the user experience Microsoft are trying to give and not software limitations.

HTC MONDRIAN (wp7 device) pics / discussion

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Picture in WP7 Mondrian rom (showing blackstone with wp7 buttons)
a bit suspicious is that the accompanying specs that the tipster sent pocketnow differ from what we have seen references to.
Specifically:
Size: 116.7 x 58.7 x 11.9 mm
Display: 3.7" WVGA AMOLED capacitive touch screen
Camera: 8MP with auto focus with camera flash with High definition 720p video capture Internal memory: 16 GB flash, 512 MB RAM
Chipset: Qualcomm QSD8672, 1.5GHz
we're seeing references to a 4.3" display and a Qualcomm QSD8650A/B 1.3GHz CPU in the reg files of the rom.
Brandon Miniman (pocketnow.com)
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here are some of my own (fake) artworks:

The second is just the old Touch HD with the buttons changed.
(you can actually remove that pic)
The first is the real deal.

My belief is that these are fake.
Reasons are two-fold:
1. The black spacing is too big. HTC would not release a design with this flaw.
2. Whilst the user is able to, OEMs are forbidden to remove or even move the four main tiles.
The four Microsoft tiles (Phone, Contacts, SMS and Email) must not be moved from the top of the list in their pre-defined locations.
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From the WP7 customization document given to OEMs - here. I therefore doubt that HTC would release a mock-up design like this.
Casey

Ive herd that W7 will support multi-operating systems on one phone. any one else here that?

I have a feeling the keyboardless WP7 phones are all going to look boringly similar.

I have a feeling the OEMavatar is just an avatar of what you would see when you connected the phone to the computer, and synced to Zune. Something like that. Maybe its just used as an image throughout the system with no significance. However, the picture in question looks interesting. We all know that HTC has been advertising and shouting their name on the phones a little more [i.e. bigger logos on the back]. Now, as far as i know, i dont think theyve ever included the phones name on the back. notice, HTC "Mandrian", but then again, one cant help but wonder if HTC is going somewhere new with their phones. The dual flash looks a little suspicious as well. And the curvature of the chin is un-HTC like. Until we know more about the person who submitted the photo, its all speculation..
just my 2 cents.. :]
whatever it is HTC has in store, i'm quite confident it wont disappoint. Has anyone been disappointed with the specs/design of HTC's phones lately? i know i havent.

josh_prayyforplagues said:
one cant help but wonder if HTC is going somewhere new with their phones.
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Well, the phone on the picture is anything but new, it's the good old HTC Touch HD.

A Qualcomm QSD8672 chipset? That would be crazy so I doubt it. On the other hand, devices featuring the QSD8672 chipset are expected to be launched in the second half of this year, so the time frame is right.
For those not familiar with the Qualcomm QSD8672 chipset, let's just say that it is a beast of a chipset. It features a dual core 1.5 GHz Scorpion CPU, a pretty decent GPU and 1080p encoding and decoding. The GPU is comparable, if not better, than what OMAP4, Tegra 2 and Samsung's Hummingbird have. The CPU is faster than anything else on the market and the chip has other benefits in comparison to the other SoC on the market. All in all, a very good chipset to have as your baseline specification of your platform.
But as I said, I doubt that the first WP7 phones will all have a Qualcomm QSD8672 chipset. One can always dream though :.

Quite frankly I think both pictures are fake. The first released picture like everyone else is saying is just a Blackstone. The second one is fake, because HTC doesn't actually have the OEM Name on the actual device. My Tilt2/TouchPro2 doesn't say 'Rhodium' on the back of the device. I don't think you would see 'Mondrian' on the back of this device when it comes out either.
Just think it's too early to speculate.

So many people with no clue here^^

So it's basically the HD3?
Not like we didn't see this coming. What I would like to see is a US launch of the device before the end of the year (as opposed to the HD2, which wasn't launched in the US until March).

The 2nd picture isn't a 'fake' but it could be a dummy image for the purposes of testing.
However....not sure if it has any bearing on reality or if they've ripped the info from other sources but the Mondrian is now listed on GSM Arena with it's specs etc and the same 'blackstone style' image.
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_mondrian-3338.php
With regards to seeing 'branding' etc on the device, personally I feel that a prototype device might have branding for use within the design department of HTC perhaps.

a bit suspicious is that the accompanying specs that the tipster sent pocketnow differ from what we have seen references to.
Specifically:
Size: 116.7 x 58.7 x 11.9 mm
Display: 3.7" WVGA AMOLED capacitive touch screen
Camera: 8MP with auto focus with camera flash with High definition 720p video capture Internal memory: 16 GB flash, 512 MB RAM
Chipset: Qualcomm QSD8672, 1.5GHz
we're seeing references to a 4.3" display and a Qualcomm QSD8650A/B 1.3GHz CPU in the reg files of the rom.
Brandon Miniman (pocketnow.com)
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The 1.5Ghz Specs are 100% fake. Why am I the only one questioning them?
"HTC HD3 by NAK ... My concept about the HTC HD3 ..."
http://nak-design.over-blog.fr/
http://nak-design.over-blog.fr/pages/HTC_HD3_by_NAK_-2727167.html

Mondrian Spec?
hxxp://product.pcpop.com/pk/276905_266752.html
Scroll down, it shows 1GB RAM and 1280x800 resolution??

philliphs said:
hxxp://product.pcpop.com/pk/276905_266752.html
Scroll down, it shows 1GB RAM and 1280x800 resolution??
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..err...it also shows the Aria (the android phone) as having MS Office Mobile....don't think so somehow! I would say that this is made up from various sources and they havn't checked them very well.

1.3 Ghz processor whoa thats gonna be fast!!

micro USB???
No card slot??
i dont need to read anything more just to know this is sooooo fake!!!

+ Que PPC said:
micro USB???
No card slot??
i dont need to read anything more just to know this is sooooo fake!!!
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MS have stated that WP7 devices will not have SD card slots and will come in various capacities instead...like the iphone (6gb, 16gb, 32gb etc) and there will be no file system access so they might have done away with micro usb and have a new connector type seeing as the WP7 phones need to be sync'd via the Zune software (also similar to the iphone + itunes)

welki1979 said:
MS have stated that WP7 devices will not have SD card slots and will come in various capacities instead...like the iphone (6gb, 16gb, 32gb etc) and there will be no file system access so they might have done away with micro usb and have a new connector type seeing as the WP7 phones need to be sync'd via the Zune software (also similar to the iphone + itunes)
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so microsoft's next phone is a lot like the iphone

there are a lot of similarities yes....but there are also a lot of differences between the iPhone and WP7.
The truth is that until the release (Dec 2010) we won't know the full details as a lot of functions will also be device specific. People seem to forget that MS set a MINIMUM specification but not a maximum one (obviously) but there are a number of RULEs that they are also enforcing such as the 'no removable SD card' rule and no custom UIs.