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desire or nexus one?

Should I buy the desire or nexus one? or wait for something new?(dont know when that would be)
i kind of want to know how the optical trackball works...i am using the xperia which has an optical tackpad and its useless...would the trackball from nexus one be better or useless?
and D1 video...dont get the point of it

I'm willing to bet all of us here in the Desire forum section will tell you to get the Desire.
You're better off looking at all the reviews and make up your own mind.
See the following stickied thread for reviews!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=652893

ohyeahar said:
I'm willing to bet all of us here in the Desire forum section will tell you to get the Desire.
You're better off looking at all the reviews and make up your own mind.
See the following stickied thread for reviews!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=652893
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posted here because it would help me side with the desire
i really like the sense ui

numba1guju said:
posted here because it would help me side with the desire
i really like the sense ui
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i have both an x1 and desire. easily go for the desire
much better than x1 in every aspect.
maybe this ll help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=671363&highlight=recommend

I think the specs on the desire and the N1 are almost exactly the same, besides the noise cancelling, BT version and the RAM. But on the other hand, the desire needs a little bit more ram due to the sense UI.
I think sense ui is starting to get useless since android has got many sens ui-features already built in since 2.1

I don't know whether to swap desire for a nexus or not. Id love color notifications, it has charging points and also I keep getting crumbs between my keys lol
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I actually have both phones. Haven't had the Desire long enough for a full comparison, however, I would say that it depends on what you want out of your device.
If you want ultimate customisation with lots of different ROMs and hacks and stuff, flashing it all the time and playing with the latest stuff, and you are prepared to put up with the odd thing not working - if only for brief periods - then I would say the Nexus is better.
If you just want a device to work and to look good in the process, then the Desire is probably better, especially if running the absolute latest software is not something that is important for you.
They are so similar but:
Call quality is better on the Nexus marginally
I prefer the physical trackball to the optical one - I like the feel of it and the multi-coloured lights!
Sense is fantastic, but stock Android can do it all with a few apps. On my Desire I have far fewer apps installed as HTC provide so much
The Nexus is slightly lighter
I think the Desire looks sleeker and feels nicer in the hand, but that is just my opinion
The Desire doesn't come with a neoprene sleeve!
Feel free to ask if there is something specific you want to know.

Lol i have a desire and iphone 3gs, do you think I should sell iphone and buy a nexus?
Irony is,i had a nexus but sold because I was skint! Now I miss cynoagen roms etc
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The Jones said:
I actually have both phones. Haven't had the Desire long enough for a full comparison, however, I would say that it depends on what you want out of your device.
If you want ultimate customisation with lots of different ROMs and hacks and stuff, flashing it all the time and playing with the latest stuff, and you are prepared to put up with the odd thing not working - if only for brief periods - then I would say the Nexus is better.
If you just want a device to work and to look good in the process, then the Desire is probably better, especially if running the absolute latest software is not something that is important for you.
They are so similar but:
Call quality is better on the Nexus marginally
I prefer the physical trackball to the optical one - I like the feel of it and the multi-coloured lights!
Sense is fantastic, but stock Android can do it all with a few apps. On my Desire I have far fewer apps installed as HTC provide so much
The Nexus is slightly lighter
I think the Desire looks sleeker and feels nicer in the hand, but that is just my opinion
The Desire doesn't come with a neoprene sleeve!
Feel free to ask if there is something specific you want to know.
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wow thanks for taking your time to write this up...i guess im going to research a little more...or just get both and try em out...whatever i dont like ill hand off to my little sister haha
all i really want is HTC to make a nexus one thin full qwerty slideout but thats a dream

i used to have a N1, first i have been very satisfied, but as i am not anymore in my mid 30 i had problems reading mails etc, as you can NOT change the font size on the N1.....I bought the Desire and it is perfect....change font size etc....great tool....just love it.

numba1guju said:
all i really want is HTC to make a nexus one thin full qwerty slideout but thats a dream
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Motorola Driod/Milestone?

I'd go for the N1 (me and my gf have a desire) because of the faster updates and HTC crippled Android imo.

Im gonna sell my 3gs and get a nexus one.. keep both lol.
But i fancy nexus again because the colour trackball, cynoagen mods with cm updater, the kernel source is out which means you can use setcpu etc. full write access which we dont have on the desire yet.
And surely froyo will be easier to import on the nexus?

Oh and also you can install the recovery rom on flash!! which means you dont need a computer to flash roms.. well you didnt when i had one... i used to change roms at uni.. was so cool

The Jones said:
I actually have both phones. Haven't had the Desire long enough for a full comparison, however, I would say that it depends on what you want out of your device.
If you want ultimate customisation with lots of different ROMs and hacks and stuff, flashing it all the time and playing with the latest stuff, and you are prepared to put up with the odd thing not working - if only for brief periods - then I would say the Nexus is better.
If you just want a device to work and to look good in the process, then the Desire is probably better, especially if running the absolute latest software is not something that is important for you.
They are so similar but:
Call quality is better on the Nexus marginally
I prefer the physical trackball to the optical one - I like the feel of it and the multi-coloured lights!
Sense is fantastic, but stock Android can do it all with a few apps. On my Desire I have far fewer apps installed as HTC provide so much
The Nexus is slightly lighter
I think the Desire looks sleeker and feels nicer in the hand, but that is just my opinion
The Desire doesn't come with a neoprene sleeve!
Feel free to ask if there is something specific you want to know.
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Which one do you use as your main phone?

Guitarfreak26 said:
Which one do you use as your main phone?
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I have had the Nexus One since the first batch shipped to the UK back in Feb I think it was. I have had the Desire for 5 days! I am currently using the Desire as my main device as a test and will do so for a minimum of 2 weeks.
I am evaluating it for my company as an alternative to the Nokia E62 and HTC Touch HD2.

Most reviews suggest that the physical buttons on the Desire are better than the capacitive "touch" buttons on the Nexus One.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Most reviews suggest that the physical buttons on the Desire are better than the capacitive "touch" buttons on the Nexus One.
Regards,
Dave
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The physical buttons are nicer to use. The layout of the buttons on the N1 is better I think

numba1guju said:
Should I buy the desire or nexus one? or wait for something new?(dont know when that would be)
i kind of want to know how the optical trackball works...i am using the xperia which has an optical tackpad and its useless...would the trackball from nexus one be better or useless?
and D1 video...dont get the point of it
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Trackball is much better than optical trackpad. On the other hand, real buttons are much better than sensor buttons.
Other than that: Sense or not Sense? That is the question - if you don't do much ROM flashing and stuff that is (cause then the Nexus is better - and it will get the official Android 2.2 earlier).

I personally never use the trackpad. Why would you need to anyway?
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desire or xperia x10 or samsung galaxy S?

I`m a bit confused right now ... i really loved the HTC evo 4G but since i live in India ... i cant get my hands on that...
The only good phones i am left with are desire , xperia x10 or samsung galaxy
Pls let me know which one should i go for
And i wanted to know how are the games in desire .. are they even comparable to iphone games??... and can it be jailbreaked like the iphone????

heres a youtube vid of nova on the desire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vn2DuPeE-E

Avoid the Xperia X10, mainly due to the terrible terrible battery life and the fact it's still running Android 1.6, as well has having much lower performance than the Desire and Nexus One which use almost identical internals.
As for 'jailbreaking', in Android circles the equivalent is known as 'rooting' to enable you to install all the awesome custom firmwares available on this forum to enable new features, speed up your device or even get the latest versions of Android before they're even released.
Games-wise, there is a decent selection, but truthfully the iPhone is the king of mobile gaming. I haven't found this to be a problem however, as I realised after owning an iPod Touch before my android phone that with most games I'll play them for a few minutes when I download them and then never really touch them again. I use music, video, email, social networking and general internet browsing far more.
As for Desire vs Galaxy S...kind of hard to choose.
Galaxy S Pros and Cons:
+ Large, amazing Super AMOLED screen
+ Most powerful Android device out, especially it's GPU (for 3D games)
+ DivX video support
+ Video-out if you want to connect it to a screen
+ Reportedly great sound quality for headphones
+ Battery life better than most other high-end Android phones
- The phone itself looks like a cheap iPhone ripoff (why Samsung why?!)
- Samsung use their 'TouchWiz' interface on top of Android which looks kind of ugly and adds little
- Samsung don't have a good track record with updates...they've confirmed Froyo but no word on whether it'll ever get anything above that
- Reportedly all custom roms will need to be based off Samsung's official roms, so won't have as large a variety as HTC phones
- Apparently many users have had GPS problems
HTC Desire Pros and Cons:
+ Huge variety of custom roms
+ Similarity with Nexus One means since Nexus One gets updates first, most can be quickly ported to Desire
+ HTC Sense interface on top of Android looks great and improves usability (especially the widgets)
+ HTC's default apps for mail, weather, etc are extremely well designed
+ Will most likely be able to run Android 3.0 (Gingerbread) ported from the Nexus One once it's released
+ Very good build quality and nicer-looking hardware
- Battery life not as good
- Smaller screen that's regular AMOLED rather than Samsung's new variety
- Not as powerful as Galaxy S
Hope that helps! I'm currently in the middle of deciding between the Desire and Galaxy S myself, so done a fair bit of research and tried both out.

AXIS of Reality said:
- Not as powerful as Galaxy S
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as you can see my quadrant score says diffrent

That would be because you're running Froyo, which the Galaxy S has been confirmed to be receiving later this year. =P
The more apt comparison is lower on that graph showing the 2.1 Desire and Nexus One far lower than the 2.1 Galaxy S.

well thanks for that .. i am leaning towards htc desire more now ... just to confirm are there any better andriod phones in the market which are gsm and available outside US ??

AndroHero said:
as you can see my quadrant score says diffrent
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Which battery meter are you using?

vinayendra: since you mentioned only games in your post, my advice to you is to avoid android platform and go with Iphone if games are your priority...
If you still need to choose between these 3 phones, Galaxy would be your choice, cause it's better GPU will be advantage with games

I cant speak for the galaxy S but having used both desire and the xperia the desire wins hands down. The xperia is really laggy and the old version of android is a deal breaker. Once sony pull their fingers out and update the xperia it might be a different story but I dont think we will see that for a few more months yet
the only advantage the xperia has is the large internal apps storage, you dont need to root it if your wanting loads of apps unlike the desire

AndroHero said:
heres a youtube vid of nova on the desire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vn2DuPeE-E
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id love to know how to get that game running on my desire, I had it for my palm pre and loved it but the desire just gives me a black screen then it closes

djoni1980 said:
vinayendra: since you mentioned only games in your post, my advice to you is to avoid android platform and go with Iphone if games are your priority...
If you still need to choose between these 3 phones, Galaxy would be your choice, cause it's better GPU will be advantage with games
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Games or not my priority .. i already have a ipod touch ... for me the main things are cool apps maybe even GPS , email and very good user interface ... i have a htc 3G touch ... it really sucks ...after having that i had decided not to go for HTC again ... But i cant buy iphone 4 as it takes a year to come to my country ... and i heard andriod phones are awesome ... so going back to HTC
So anyone owns a desire .. plz tell the pros and cons of desire which u felt while using

Take the desire you wont regret it.and someone already mentiond pros & cons on page 1.
You only have to choose
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AXIS of Reality said:
That would be because you're running Froyo, which the Galaxy S has been confirmed to be receiving later this year. =P
The more apt comparison is lower on that graph showing the 2.1 Desire and Nexus One far lower than the 2.1 Galaxy S.
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can you not read? it clearly says samsung galaxy s 2.2 on the benchmark

pms said:
Which battery meter are you using?
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the one that comes with the expresso theme for 2.2 sence roms

AndroHero said:
can you not read? it clearly says samsung galaxy s 2.2 on the benchmark
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LOL, actually it says <2.2, which is 2.1

djoni1980 said:
LOL, actually it says <2.2, which is 2.1
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oh yeah so it does lol

If you have access to those phones in India go and try them out in person because you won't have a clue on what everyone is going on about except for prior experience on your old Touch.
An Android phone is perfect if you live your online life through Google, if you don't I suggest you move.
An iPhone is known for simplicity and just working until you somehow manage to get yourself into the zoom feature and you're screwed unless you know the zoom out function. These high end phones are true powerhouses in pocket computing and are for more than showing off to your mates that you have a cool phone. If that's all you're going to do, you deserve an iPhone. If you're rolling up your sleeves and learning how to individualise yourself from every other Android user out there then you will quickly learn about live wallpapers, widgets, shortcuts and button combinations. Go further than that and its roms, themes, radios, adb commands so on and so forth.
Know what you want and shop according to it. One of these phones will tick most if not all of your needs and wants. Or something in the near future will. Between the 2 phones, out of the box you are looking at a difference of interface more than anything else. Really suggest you go try them out.
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Jabbafat23 said:
If you have access to those phones in India go and try them out in person because you won't have a clue on what everyone is going on about except for prior experience on your old Touch.
An Android phone is perfect if you live your online life through Google, if you don't I suggest you move.
An iPhone is known for simplicity and just working until you somehow manage to get yourself into the zoom feature and you're screwed unless you know the zoom out function. These high end phones are true powerhouses in pocket computing and are for more than showing off to your mates that you have a cool phone. If that's all you're going to do, you deserve an iPhone. If you're rolling up your sleeves and learning how to individualise yourself from every other Android user out there then you will quickly learn about live wallpapers, widgets, shortcuts and button combinations. Go further than that and its roms, themes, radios, adb commands so on and so forth.
Know what you want and shop according to it. One of these phones will tick most if not all of your needs and wants. Or something in the near future will. Between the 2 phones, out of the box you are looking at a difference of interface more than anything else. Really suggest you go try them out.
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I'd mostly agree with that.
Android phones really are 'enthusiast' phones, in the sense that you get out of them what you put in. For example, customising it to work exactly how you want and look how you want it to look.
The iPhone is made as a very controlled system, so you have only the absolute minimum freedom (ie: change your wallpaper or order of icons). This is ideal for many people who want something that just 'works' and has been tuned to be an intuitive experience for the majority of people.
Android is based around making your phone uniquely yours, such as through the use of the homescreens to fill with whatever you want (widgets, controls, shortcuts, folders, etc). What this means is it requires more time and attention than an iPhone, but the end result is a phone and way of working that is of your own design.
Think of it like Lego:
- the iPhone is where you follow the instructions and get what is shown in the picture on the box (which can annoy people who want to do their own thing).
- Android is where you are given a pile of lego bricks to build whatever you want, so it's far more personalised even if it's not as polished as the iPhone (which can confuse or put of people who prefer a guiding hand and it to be done for them)
I'm happy to sacrifice some polish in the interface for the chance to really make my phone mine, but there are many who feel the other way. That's why it's great we have the oppurtunity to choose between Android and iOS (and soon Windows Phone 7, which seems like a halfway point between the two).

thanks for all that ... Now i am convinced to go for a desire which i will buy sometime this week
i have a small doubt ( a n00b one) .. whats the use of "rooting" and installing ROM`s???.. is it the same as "jailbreaking" in iphone where i can install paid apps and games for free and play with my looks ?? ... or is there anyother use??

i have HTC Desire which i bough from a friend in England, (i live in Seattle) and absolutely love it. My co-worker has Tmobile Samsung Vibrant. Ill give my impressions and quick pros and cons, i may sound little bias but here it is.
Samsung Galaxy Pros
Large SuperAMOLED screen, true 800x480 res, multitouch (Which, while is brighter than the Desire, not that much better, almost cant tell the difference.)
Better battery life, Galaxy also comes with 1500 mAh battery whereas Desire come with 1400 mAh ( again only one day of test with moderate use)
Better GPU
16 Gb of internal storage (which is a huge plus)
720p @30 frames video capture (which also is possible on the Desire with a custom ROM)
Cons
Built quality is extremely cheap, back is shiny plastic which is prone to scratches
Has ugly iphone 3GS style bezel around the screen
No camera flash (this one is a huge let down by Samsung which is beyond any comprehension)
Ugly UI which is a blatant iOS rip off (this one may be strictly preferential depending if you like iOS look or not)
Samsungs proven lack of support track record
Not clear whether gonna have large dev support on XDA
External speaker is horrible, tiny sound (Desire is the same)
That is all i can think of at the moment
Desire Cons
Uses old Clear pad 2000 touch panel which lacks true multitouch support or supports it in a broken way (you can google Nexus one touch screen problems, there is 70 pages plus thread about it)
Uses Cheap Pentile pixel arrangement, which some argue is better for media but horrible if ou spend most of the time reading text on your device. ( you can google Pentile on Nexus One, Anandtech.com has very informative article about this)
Eternal speaker is horrible, sound is tiny and quite
video capture is crap
When using on low brightness, screen has pink hue
Battery life is mediocre
Pros
Built quality is way better than Galaxy, also looks sophisticated compared to Galaxy
Camera flash
Huge support from XDA developers since it is almost identical to Nexus One
Runs Sense, although i equally hate Sense, it is a lot better that TouchWiz
Has hardware buttons (this one is a deal breaker for me as Galaxy touch sensitive buttons are unresponsive at times and generally suck)
AMOLED is almost as good as Galaxy's ( aside from cheap ass touch panel that HTC used on Desire and Nexus One, why HTC why)
That is all i can think of at the moment. I am eligible for an upgrade with Tmobile, but i think ill keep the Desire. Just better phone aside from crappy screen. Hope this helps

I am Jealous of HD2

How come HD2 can have wm 6.5, android,meego and wp7?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/24/htc-hd2-can-now-dual-boot-windows-phone-7-and-android-promises/

Because it's an old device who turned into a "testmachine".

ArtieQ said:
Because it's an old device who turned into a "testmachine".
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HAHAHA
But seriously
i may be wrong but i think it has the same specs

I have put on Android/DHD ROM on my HD2 and it runs very well (my Desire still runs a non DHD ROM)

its an old device with decent hardware.
most stuff nowadays is not far off what a hd2 is anyhow - and why would you want to dual boot anyway - isnt android good enough?

Im not jealous of the HD2 wtf lol
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Just my thought, but probably cause it's great hardware with bad software. The Desire, or any other Android phone does not suffer form the ****ty software so it's less interesting to get other software running on it.

im jealous of its design. It looks better than all phones. I love analog buttons...

TheGhost1233 said:
Just my thought, but probably cause it's great hardware with bad software. The Desire, or any other Android phone does not suffer form the ****ty software so it's less interesting to get other software running on it.
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Yes, exactly what I was thinking. The difference between running WM6.X and Android on there is miles apart.

rouvax said:
im jealous of its design. It looks better than all phones. I love analog buttons...
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I'm too, but size is annoyed me after one year of usage...
HD2 is a miracle device, it's refresh you after every Rom flash as itself

dexteral said:
How come HD2 can have wm 6.5, android,meego and wp7?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/24/htc-hd2-can-now-dual-boot-windows-phone-7-and-android-promises/
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Buy yourself one....
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HTC-HD-2-HD2...77401?pt=AU_Mobile_Phones&hash=item3cb480cbb9

I LOVE ANDROID PHONES ESP. DESIRE BECAUSE (OF ITS SPEED, SIMPLICITY AND UI) IT DOESNT CRASH ON YOU WHILE CALLING, DOESNT RESTART RANDOMLY, ETC WHICH I HAD WITH ALMOST ALL MY WM 6.5 DEVICES WITH THE LAST BEING XPERIA X1.
BUT ON AN ANOTHER NOTE I WOULDNT MIND TESTING DIFFERENT OSs LIKE I DO ON MY VAIO OR DELL. DONT TELL ME YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT TEMPTED.
AND YES I AM CONSIDERING BUYING A USED HD2 TO JUST TEST OUT THESE OSs.
SORRY FOR THE CAPS.

IMHO I don't care One os is enough to personalize, save contacts, sms, photos etc....with two or more I guess I'd get crazy!!

I have to agree - its nice to try/trial (I have a HTC Touch HD with the SD bootable version of android) and to play with - but one OS is decent enough I think...
There was a poll on the hd2 thread a little while ago and it looked like about half of the users were using an android OS now - so as long as you have that option you're doing alright!

I don't rate the HD2, I had it for a year. It's got a crap battery life, it's big, the one single bar for all of the buttons isn't a brilliant design. I don't care much for dual booting any of the five or more OS's it can run, the Desire is a far better device and I am glad I switched.

I have both the HD2 and Desire. For a every day android device, my preference goes to the Desire. IMO the Desire is a native android device and will always run android better. Even with nand on the HD2, it still has it's problems.

Please help me make a decision

Hello, I am a Sensation XL user and I have the opportunity to switch to a GNex(trade). The reason I would switch to Nexus is the SA HD screen, dual core a9cortex, better gpu, really good looking and working OS. I am currently worried about the lifespan of my SXL since it packs a single core snapdragon and a poor WVGA resolution.
The reason I wouldn't switch is a few sense goodies such as swiping to text, smartdialing, facebook integration, editing media etc. along with losing my iBeats earphones and a really good looking design.
I kept telling myself I do not want the trade but the small resolution, ugly looking fonts and icons and periodical Sense lag keeps haunting me. I don't like rooting, I like having things as stock as possible.
Please help me decide I'm very unsure what to do!

people here are trying to port Sense 4.0 on the Nexus and you're trying to get rid of it?
anyway, you should try the different Sensation 4.0.3 ROMs out there before giving up on it.
if you like plain ICS, you can have it on the Sensation as well...both phones are good. If you like Sense, wait until HTC One series comes out and sell your SXL then.
either way, you can't avoid rooting...you can install the ARHD or InsertCoin's ROMs which are as stock as possible on HTC but definately faster...no Sense lag.
you still have a lot to explore on your phone
LE: nevermind, the ROMs i mentioned above are for Sensation, not S XL
but i think HTC released official ICS for you?

zerozoneice said:
people here are trying to port Sense 4.0 on the Nexus and you're trying to get rid of it?
anyway, you should try the different Sensation 4.0.3 ROMs out there before giving up on it.
if you like plain ICS, you can have it on the Sensation as well...both phones are good. If you like Sense, wait until HTC One series comes out and sell your SXL then.
either way, you can't avoid rooting...you can install the ARHD or InsertCoin's ROMs which are as stock as possible on HTC but definately faster...no Sense lag.
you still have a lot to explore on your phone
LE: nevermind, the ROMs i mentioned above are for Sensation, not S XL
but i think HTC released official ICS for you?
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I'm not really that good with the whole root/flash s-off stuff. Even if I dug in this new universe I know there are plenty of problems since there isn't anything official about these homebrew roms. I like my phone but I'm not pleased with the low res and choppy user interface. Maybe Nexus doesn't have the problems htc has with the sense ui (even though my XL has sense 3.5 which should be theoretically faster). My next phone will not be an htc since i've had only htcs since 2010 and am fed up with the looks of it.

G-XtremE said:
I'm not really that good with the whole root/flash s-off stuff. Even if I dug in this new universe I know there are plenty of problems since there isn't anything official about these homebrew roms. I like my phone but I'm not pleased with the low res and choppy user interface. Maybe Nexus doesn't have the problems htc has with the sense ui (even though my XL has sense 3.5 which should be theoretically faster). My next phone will not be an htc since i've had only htcs since 2010 and am fed up with the looks of it.
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Then I would go with the galaxy nexus if I were you. It basically has everything you are looking for. And if you decide to learn to root/unlock boot loaders and what not, the nexus is the easiest to learn with (my opinion) . I think if you go with the galaxy nexus , its a win-win. Good luck
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No Sense ICS HTC One X

It has been over 2.5 years for me without any Android device in my pocket and i just got my One X (Norway)
The device is unlocked and is has no operator lock or software of any kind installed.
I was wandering if there is any way that i can turn off HTC SENSE because it is just horrible. I want the clean ICS experience.
I know some people will reply to this by saying that i should get the galaxy nexus but i really enjoy the hardware in this device and galaxy nexus hasnt really been something i wanted , never.
Well if there is any way to stop sense and simply running clean ICS?
Thanks in advance!
PS: I couldnt find another thread with this question but if there is please feel free to delete this one, i dont want to be any trouble.

Unfortunately you can't just "stop" Sense, it's deeply integrated into the OS on HTC phones. The best you can do is wait for an AOSP ROM to come out, based on plain ICS - but it generally takes a lot of work to get all the drivers working perfectly on AOSP builds, so I expect we'll need to give it time.
On other Sense phones (like the DHD) there have been "no-Sense" scripts available, but these are actually a little misnamed. They don't remove Sense, they really just remove the HTC launcher (called Rosie) and its associated widgets. Things like the Sense dialer, contacts, calendar etc. are all still there even with these no-Sense scripts.
You could always try installing a 3rd party launcher to get a more ICS feel, but Sense will still be there underneath.

So the only way for me to experience is to actually buy a Google experience phone?
Thats unfair in my opinion since HTC should give us the chance, i personally would love to have a stock android option on my One X but if it isnt possible i will return this phone on monday back to the shop.
Thanks for fast reply, i appreciated.

JSconnected said:
So the only way for me to experience is to actually buy a Google experience phone?
Thats unfair in my opinion since HTC should give us the chance, i personally would love to have a stock android option on my One X but if it isnt possible i will return this phone on monday back to the shop.
Thanks for fast reply, i appreciated.
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Not exactly. Just wait. It'll be a while, but you have bought the device very early. A lot of people feel like you do about HTC Sense (perhaps not as far as returning the device) so it shouldn't take that long.
HTC Sense isn't that bad. Having said that, I want the same (as you). I've always used CyanogenMod on my HTC devices in the past.
Replacing the launcher makes a significant difference, in my opinion. I currently have Trebuchet Launcher installed (from CM9). Everything else is still HTC Sense. I miss just how tweakable the CyanogenMod ROMs are, but HTC Sense is far from bad.
The device is sold for both hardware and software, remember. You're not buying just the hardware. The software takes up a lot of time for the company in development and it is just as important as the hardware. HTC Sense is their way of differentiating. It's part of what you're paying for, whether you want it or not.

HTC don't exactly make a secret of the fact their phones come with Sense, in fact it's one of their biggest marketing factors, and for some people it's the reason they buy HTC. The only way I know of to get a plain ICS experience is the Galaxy Nexus. Most or all manufacturers selling phones with ICS have their own UI overlay on top. Sense is probably the one that changes things most from the plain ICS experience, but I think they all do it.
I don't know how much time you have to return the phone and get a refund, but if you can, try it with another launcher before you do anything drastic. As aameerp says, it makes a big difference. I ran my DHD with ADW for the first year or so I had it, and only switched back to using the Sense launcher about 6 months ago. ADW worked great and I still got all the good Sense stuff, like Facebook integration, dialer, etc.
Sense isn't just the launcher that controls the home screen and widgets. Bear in mind that some of the Sense apps in the phone (camera, music, etc.) are specifically built for the hardware, so if you change the basic UI with an ICS-style launcher, you can change the look but keep those apps, and continue to make best use of that fantastic hardware.
AOSP ROMs will come in time. This is a brand new phone (mine hasn't even arrived yet ) and there will surely be a Cyanogenmod release for it, at the very least.