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So, what do you think about this battle?) Who'll win?
The only things that I don't like in N1 are: display with strange colour rendition, camera which is pink maniak (hey, like pink panther) and silent ring.
Will these thing be removed in HTC Desire?
Or maybe it's better to wait for Samsung Wave (super AMOLED display, but strange OS)
Honestly the Desire imo, fm radio, wm playback and ram/rom are just a few of the things that make it ahead of the N1 for me.
For me, the N1 is clearly the better Phone with the Noice Cancellation and way faster Software/Firmware-Support from Google.
I will never again use a Phone with Sense because of the lazy HTC-Support.
I believe the Community-Support will be much better for the N1, just look whats done so far. It was a nice Idea from Google to gave the N1 to many Android-Software-Developres for free.
And my personal Opinion: I couldnt believe my eyes when i saw a picture from the Desire at MWC. It looks much cheaper in real life than on the leaked Promo-Shots from last year. For me, the N1 looks better.
Currently have a N1, but "broke" it (still working, apart from few sensors),
with the insurance money, I will buy a Desire, since it will be available here.
No contenst unless theyll start also selling N1 straight to Finland.
HW buttons are better, going to miss notification led thou. And will cry if fastboot unlock is disabled.
i prefer Desire,because i don't like N1's track-ball....
Desire ROM on Nexus hardware
Get the best of both the worlds
It's not a case of which one is better, the desire will sell more purely because it's avaliable in store and it's avaliable on all 5 UK Networks.
People can walk into a store not knowing who HTC are and walk out with a Desire, for the Nexus you have to be specifically wanting the Nexus and then go online and pay a lot of money to get one shipped over.
Same screen as nexus?
Wonder if it will have the same screen as nexus ... if so that will suck.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/02/the-nexus-ones-dirty-display-secret/
Is it common for people to remove the sense UI from android phones and run a more stock style android interface? Is this easily done with a phone like the Desire in the near future? Im on WinMo now with my Raph/Fuze and just tired of dealing with the HTC interface, hate windows too. Been using the android port for the last few months and love it. Im just stuck trying to decide between getting a nexus or the Desire whenever it will be available in the states. Plus i dont want the Sense UI, thats my main concern with the Desire.
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Is it common for people to remove the sense UI from android phones and run a more stock style android interface? Is this easily done with a phone like the Desire in the near future? Im on WinMo now with my Raph/Fuze and just tired of dealing with the HTC interface, hate windows too. Been using the android port for the last few months and love it. Im just stuck trying to decide between getting a nexus or the Desire whenever it will be available in the states. Plus i dont want the Sense UI, thats my main concern with the Desire.
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What are your reasons for not wanting Sense UI?
I'm thinking the desire may be better quality build (minus the dust prob and hardware buttons which some may view as a plus or minus, I having lived with capacitive buttons for a year, despise them). Although I would much prefer the option to have either sense or the standard android, and as I'm not familiar with android and their homescreens, is this possible on a stock desire rom?
From what I can tell, sense is mostly just a theme along with widgets, so change the theme and then don't use the widgets right?
It's 99% Likely you'll be able to flash stock 2.1 android... A Nexus one rom, providing you root
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It's 99% Likely you'll be able to flash stock 2.1 android... A Nexus one rom, providing you root
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Yea, not sure i'd want to root, already been down that path with my blackstone. hmmmm.......
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Yea, not sure i'd want to root, already been down that path with my blackstone. hmmmm.......
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Technically you should just be able to install Launcher2.apk and switch between Sense home and Stock Android Home. Although you'd still have all the Sense apps ie contacts etc but you'd be able to replace these too.
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Well i have not actually used Sense, just some of the Roms on my Fuze that try to mimic it. It might just be the Windows Mobile underlying that makes me hate the HTC skin, im just annoyed with it all. Using the stock android on my phone, even with the odd glitches here and there due to the early port, leaves me feeling much more free and happier with my phone.
I'm thinking nexus, purely as I don't want to root my device (hehehe root my device.....)
Although I do prefer the optical trackpad and the hardware buttons.......grrr hard decisions...
For me, it will come down to which one I can get AT&T 3G on. The phones are almost identical, and I will surely root/flash it, so the stock ROM won't matter. I do think the Nexus looks better, and will probably get better support from Google.
Motoroi is looking better than both at the moment though......except of course looks lol. But with hdmi out, 720p recording and 8mp camera with xenon flash.....v.nice! Wonder if they seriously think a 550mhz chip will suffice though?
htc Desire^^ because I dont like the trackball, and I LOVE the Sense UI
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Motoroi is looking better than both at the moment though......except of course looks lol. But with hdmi out, 720p recording and 8mp camera with xenon flash.....v.nice! Wonder if they seriously think a 550mhz chip will suffice though?
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Just looked up the Motoroi for the 1st time... looks kinda pathetic next to the Desire and Nexus..
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=2067&id2=2251&id3=2218
I've just come from Engadget where an announcement of Gingerbread has been leaked. This is forecast for Q4 2010 and the consensus is collective pity for anyone "saddled" with HTC's Sense UI or similar manufacturer skins.
But what is the pity about? Apparently our inability to update to the latest and greatest firmware instantly leave us at a disadvantage. We miss out.
On what?
So far I've seen these features that may be in 2.2:
USB tethering
Wifi hotspot
Enabling of FM radio
JIT processing for more speed
Install apps to SD
Flash 10.1
OK, a couple of those are big news..but we've had no details on Flash and so far from all the demos it seems to run on 2.1 just fine.
Many have already gotten apps to SD by whatever means, and others are yet to face it as an issue.
We could all use the extra speed, but the Desire is hardly slow.
I personally have no need for a portable hotspot as bluetooth tethering works fine for me...it's no big loss.
The rest of the additions HTC has already been including for quite a while now. Where is the equal envy of all the features people with Sense have been enjoying while stock Android users have gone without? It all seems rather childish to cling to numbers when in reality stock 2.1 has less features than 1.6 with Sense on top.
For the majority you're happy with your phone right now. An extra feature added elsewhere should not suddenly make you think your phone is rubbish if it still performs the same functions you were happy with yesterday.
Gingerbread is 2.3.
FroYo is 2.2 and comes with all the stuff you listed. It's due next week.
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Gingerbread is 2.3.
FroYo is 2.2 and comes with all the stuff you listed. It's due next week.
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Yes...you're telling me this because?
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Yes...you're telling me this because?
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I think he is saying it because 2.2 FroYo should be coming to the Desire, which includes all the features you listed above so we don't miss out of anything. Maybe a slight delay while they work Sense UI into 2.2
Yes, I know this...but I was talking about the general sense that the delay is some sort of disadvantage...no one sees Nexus Not having all the features we have as a disadvantage.
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sorry. your post was unclear. It seemed you were referring to Gingerbread as 2.2.
so I guess your just saying that your happy enough with 2.1 with sense and not having 2.2 is no big loss? Ok I understand.
I really don't think it will be too long before Desire gets 2.2 anyway. Not like the HERO update. I think this will happen faster due to the promise of 10.1 Flash etc. I agree with you though about your comparison of 1.6 with sense having more than 2.1 vanilla android. I have used the Nexus one and I found it very plain compared to the Desire. I think Android is an excellent OS, but it really is like a scaffolding. The Sense widgets and UI make the experience in my opinion.
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Yes, I know this...but I was talking about the general sense that the delay is some sort of disadvantage...no one sees Nexus Not having all the features we have as a disadvantage.
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Fair point, i would personally hate not having Sense in exchange for being able to upgrade firmware a few days/week early.
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Fair point, i would personally hate not having Sense in exchange for being able to upgrade firmware a few days/week early.
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But that is exactly the sort of attitude I'm questioning. You'd rather you didn't have Sense now (so in other words you would rather have not had the features Sense gave you) so that you could have those same features tomorrow? Despite the fact you;d been enjoying said features for weeks before?
Not what i'm saying, i said i would "hate not having sense" instead of being unable to upgrade a few days quicker. I don't mind having to wait, never said i did. But if it came down to never being able to upgrade firmware or keeping Sense, i would almost defiantly prefer a up-to-date and newer firmware which like you said might include feature we already had plus likely to include even more features and additions.
Ah yes...I misread.
Also, I wonder where this belief that the 2.2 update will hit phones next week comes from. The history of Android has shown the SDK is released first for devs and manufactures WELL before the OS ever hits a handset.
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no one sees Nexus Not having all the features we have as a disadvantage.
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That's because the Nexus One can quite easily gain pretty much all of the features we have by flashing a Desire ROM.
There is only one real reason for Nexus One envy, and that is its unlocked bootloader.
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I tried using a couple of different launchers recently, and I just couldn't live without the sense widgets. They're cool.
My only issue with sense is the dock at the bottom of the screen. Could be a lot more functional and less ugly... I really like the one in LauncherPro.
That said, if a 2.2 update is not forthcoming in a timely fashion I'll be ditching sense and flashing a custom rom.
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That's because the Nexus One can quite easily gain pretty much all of the features we have by flashing a Desire ROM.
There is only one real reason for Nexus One envy, and that is its unlocked bootloader.
Regards,
Dave
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And which Nexus One features have we not been able to get by similar means? I have voice search, we've striped out the 3D gallery and had a hacked Navigation app well before Google turned on the UK servers. Hence my belief the moaning about HTC is misplaced.
I just recently returned the Nexus One because -
1 - Didn't like the stock Android UI.
2 - The tactile buttons were not as great as having the hard buttons on the Desire.
3 - Sense UI IMHO is a lot better then having to flash ROMs.
4 - Bluetooth is a must for me.
5 - Immediately had some reboot problems out-of-the-box
If it came down to up-to-date software (FroYo 2.2) over Sense UI...I would chose Sense, but everyone has their preference.
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As I said in my post, the unlocked bootloader! It is the only one that matters.
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Dave
For every man that uses the Desire ROM on his Nexus One, the nexus one users give in that the Desire is a superior overall experience (due to sense.)
IMHO.
Just by the way, has HTC ever released an updated official ROM with a new version of Android for any of its handsets?
for me, the nexus one is still superior to the desire.
only the ability to unlock the bootloader on the nexus beats all the advantages of the desire ( if it has any).
Seriously, i believe sense is a more polished UI but some are so useless. Examples are the messages and mail widgets. who actually reads sms and mails by swyping to the screens for the corresponding widgets . or do you actually click on the respective icon on the homescreen.
The extra ram on the desire shouldnt be taken into consideration as the bloated sense accounts for that.
For some of you who say that custom 2.2 will be there for desire before htc. well i kinda agree but i am also sure that most of them would be full of bugs. having the kernel source doesnt necessarily mean that porting the froyo would be a piece of cake!
and that too only if a stable root is achieved. Cause if things stays like how it is, i am sure that most of us will end up with the USB/SD..... brick problem. This is just a question of time.
Just by the way, has HTC ever released an updated official ROM with a new version of Android for any of its handsets?
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Yes.
The G1 and the Magic got upgrades to 1. 6, and the Droid Eris and Sprint Hero upgrades to 2. 1 (with the GSM Hero coming June).
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Dave
What's the use of this unlocked bootloader for most / average users?
Why is it a big deal for you?
About 2.2, I like the ability to run apps from SD Card ... Flash 10.1 is a nice bonus if the hardware acceleration works.
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As I said in my post, the unlocked bootloader! It is the only one that matters.
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Hello, I am a Sensation XL user and I have the opportunity to switch to a GNex(trade). The reason I would switch to Nexus is the SA HD screen, dual core a9cortex, better gpu, really good looking and working OS. I am currently worried about the lifespan of my SXL since it packs a single core snapdragon and a poor WVGA resolution.
The reason I wouldn't switch is a few sense goodies such as swiping to text, smartdialing, facebook integration, editing media etc. along with losing my iBeats earphones and a really good looking design.
I kept telling myself I do not want the trade but the small resolution, ugly looking fonts and icons and periodical Sense lag keeps haunting me. I don't like rooting, I like having things as stock as possible.
Please help me decide I'm very unsure what to do!
people here are trying to port Sense 4.0 on the Nexus and you're trying to get rid of it?
anyway, you should try the different Sensation 4.0.3 ROMs out there before giving up on it.
if you like plain ICS, you can have it on the Sensation as well...both phones are good. If you like Sense, wait until HTC One series comes out and sell your SXL then.
either way, you can't avoid rooting...you can install the ARHD or InsertCoin's ROMs which are as stock as possible on HTC but definately faster...no Sense lag.
you still have a lot to explore on your phone
LE: nevermind, the ROMs i mentioned above are for Sensation, not S XL
but i think HTC released official ICS for you?
zerozoneice said:
people here are trying to port Sense 4.0 on the Nexus and you're trying to get rid of it?
anyway, you should try the different Sensation 4.0.3 ROMs out there before giving up on it.
if you like plain ICS, you can have it on the Sensation as well...both phones are good. If you like Sense, wait until HTC One series comes out and sell your SXL then.
either way, you can't avoid rooting...you can install the ARHD or InsertCoin's ROMs which are as stock as possible on HTC but definately faster...no Sense lag.
you still have a lot to explore on your phone
LE: nevermind, the ROMs i mentioned above are for Sensation, not S XL
but i think HTC released official ICS for you?
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I'm not really that good with the whole root/flash s-off stuff. Even if I dug in this new universe I know there are plenty of problems since there isn't anything official about these homebrew roms. I like my phone but I'm not pleased with the low res and choppy user interface. Maybe Nexus doesn't have the problems htc has with the sense ui (even though my XL has sense 3.5 which should be theoretically faster). My next phone will not be an htc since i've had only htcs since 2010 and am fed up with the looks of it.
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I'm not really that good with the whole root/flash s-off stuff. Even if I dug in this new universe I know there are plenty of problems since there isn't anything official about these homebrew roms. I like my phone but I'm not pleased with the low res and choppy user interface. Maybe Nexus doesn't have the problems htc has with the sense ui (even though my XL has sense 3.5 which should be theoretically faster). My next phone will not be an htc since i've had only htcs since 2010 and am fed up with the looks of it.
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Then I would go with the galaxy nexus if I were you. It basically has everything you are looking for. And if you decide to learn to root/unlock boot loaders and what not, the nexus is the easiest to learn with (my opinion) . I think if you go with the galaxy nexus , its a win-win. Good luck
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Hey, I am coming from a Nexus One so I'm very comfortable with stock Android.
I have preordered a One X and would like to know what benefits and drawbacks there are with Sense.
Cheers.
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Hey, I am coming from a Nexus One so I'm very comfortable with stock Android.
I have preordered a One X and would like to know what benefits and drawbacks there are with Sense.
Cheers.
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Well first of all you coming from a nexus one, you will absolutely love the one X and HTC sense ( even tho I haven't play with the phone yet I'm pretty sure). It is a huge upgrade. As far as sense vs stock well sense offers a lot more customization, excellent widgets, it's eye candy. Stock is always great as it is easy to update, you get the pure google experience and there is less chances of lag and stuff since android OSs are optimized to work really well with nexus phones. Now for drawbacks the only thing I can think of for sense and any other overlays is that it will result in later OS updates. But HTC does a very good job at updating their devices in a timely fashion plus they will focus a lot on the one x so you're good to go.
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Well first of all you coming from a nexus one, you will absolutely love the one X and HTC sense ( even tho I haven't play with the phone yet I'm pretty sure). It is a huge upgrade. As far as sense vs stock well sense offers a lot more customization, excellent widgets, it's eye candy. Stock is always great as it is easy to update, you get the pure google experience and there is less chances of lag and stuff since android OSs are optimized to work really well with nexus phones. Now for drawbacks the only thing I can think of for sense and any other overlays is that it will result in later OS updates. But HTC does a very good job at updating their devices in a timely fashion plus they will focus a lot on the one x so you're good to go.
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Awesome. Thanks for your input.
Anyone else got something to add?
Your question is kind of confusing. "stock" for any HTC device is going to be sense. I think you mean AOSP vs Sense. AOSP has less polish and eye candy, but usually offers more speed and better battery life.
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barondebxl said:
Well first of all you coming from a nexus one, you will absolutely love the one X and HTC sense ( even tho I haven't play with the phone yet I'm pretty sure). It is a huge upgrade. As far as sense vs stock well sense offers a lot more customization, excellent widgets, it's eye candy. Stock is always great as it is easy to update, you get the pure google experience and there is less chances of lag and stuff since android OSs are optimized to work really well with nexus phones. Now for drawbacks the only thing I can think of for sense and any other overlays is that it will result in later OS updates. But HTC does a very good job at updating their devices in a timely fashion plus they will focus a lot on the one x so you're good to go.
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Your question is kind of confusing. "stock" for any HTC device is going to be sense. I think you mean AOSP vs Sense. AOSP has less polish and eye candy, but usually offers more speed and better battery life.
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Ahh. More specifically I was using CM7. 1.
Back in the days, Sense was really bad and it slowed down your device.
But the One X has the right hardware and Sense 4 is so clean and it's still lokking great.
You will enjoy it!
Until we all have it in our hands, no one really knows.
Sense 4 looks like such an improvement on all levels so we'll see.
I've already tested it for 3 hours and it's amazing.
I agree, the last versions of Sense were buggy and slow but now HTC found the perfect mix of speed and design.
I have to say that Sense is a really good looking skin, the best in my opinion compared to others. My guess is that you'll like it because I don't know many people who really hate it nowadays and I'm sure it's going to be better than it used to be. And AOSP roms are sure to be made at some point. As long as HTC unlocks the device, which I'm assuming they will soon after release.
Awesome. Cheers for the input, looking forward to getting my hands on this phone.
Importantly, sense has more widgets that integrate with android which provide better convenience for users. However, we do see many other alternatives inspired by sense which can be achievable even you're on AOSP. Personally, I feel that there is no other theme that make me feel that what I'm using is really a smartphone other than Sense. Ever since the touch diamond time.
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I'm not such a big fan of sense. To me, it's a little uninspired. The white menus with their "shutter" effect is a little jarring if you ask me, and the widgets are becoming a little long in the tooth. If I were to choose any skin it would definitely be Sony's. Theirs is somewhat minimal with very cool and subtle animations and overall a bit "darker", in keeping with Google's AOSP, almost more slick and business-like. That said, I find Sense much better than say what Samsung and LG have on their phones.
In any case, I've placed an order for the X, but I'll be keeping my eye out for both CM9 and MIUI ROMs.
I am using a desire now and can appreciate Sense.
Although I don't use the friendstream and other widgets, the eye candy is nice And I love the other features such as cutting off the ring tone by flipping the phone etc.
The new ones with active lockscreen should be ace.
I always liked Sense then switched roms and started using GO Launcher EX it is brilliant.Though I really am looking forward to seeing what Sense 4 is like on the One X ...roll on next week
Being a noob to android, can anyone explain how much of the features of a phone are likely to be tied to the software rather than hardware?
Obviously very hard to tell with this phone not being out yet, but things like the video recording and taking a picture at the same time, or apt-x compatibility, or even compatibility with the htc media link
Do you need to keep sense in order for those things to work?
I'm not a pro user and i compared m9 fluidity to nexus 5 and newer google phones, they are obviously smoother than any other high end android phones. Is there a particular reason or setting or mod to make m9 so?
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Sense sucks - thats the reason. I have no idea why but HTC gets rid of many preety little animations that are in stock and to make things even worse their own animations stright sucks. They start a good haf or more second after touch and then they are trying to "catch up".
There is only one solution for that and its obviously flashing AOSP like rom, personally I like CM12.1 the best for now ( You can find stable build in camera bounty thread). Then to make things even better i recomend nova launcher prime with animations set up to 'circle' it gives smooth, and INSTANT animations that make experience so much better.
I also have a feeling that forcing GPU rendering under developer settings makes everything a bit smoother.
Sense or aosp roms dont seem to be very fluid on the m9 for some reason. No overheating on my exchanged unit but it is disapointing. I have until tomorrow to turn my m9 back in to tmobile, 14 day refund. Im considering it but theres no other device they offer id want.
Then why did you guys go for the M9? Certainly, nexus devices are more fluid for the obvious reasons... But for me among other oems that offer android,t sense is by far the best... I did go for the M9 for the very reason that no nexus device is comparable to the features of the m9... Nexus devices always lack a thing or two... But yes, if one wants the best experience of Android, they should go for a nexus...
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Sense sucks - thats the reason. I have no idea why but HTC gets rid of many preety little animations that are in stock and to make things even worse their own animations stright sucks. They start a good haf or more second after touch and then they are trying to "catch up".
There is only one solution for that and its obviously flashing AOSP like rom, personally I like CM12.1 the best for now ( You can find stable build in camera bounty thread). Then to make things even better i recomend nova launcher prime with animations set up to 'circle' it gives smooth, and INSTANT animations that make experience so much better.
I also have a feeling that forcing GPU rendering under developer settings makes everything a bit smoother.
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Sounds like an opinion more than a fact.
If this is how you feel then why did you buy a HTC device? I have to say, in terms of pace and reliability Sense is definitely one of the quickest UI's you are likely to see, Touch Wiz, LG's own, Sony's own, MIUI, Huawei's thing, none are as quick as sense.
However......
If you like the M9 but want animations, go to my thread and install xposed and XUI and Screen Off Animation then you can have all the animations you want.
The battery implications, believe it or not are minimal and certainly in line with other devices, including the Nexus (even with xposed installed) it'll be the apps you have which have a stronger bearing on your battery usage than xposed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/one...-m9-xposed-t3120711/post63539475#post63539475
Enjoy
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Sense or aosp roms dont seem to be very fluid on the m9 for some reason. No overheating on my exchanged unit but it is disapointing. I have until tomorrow to turn my m9 back in to tmobile, 14 day refund. Im considering it but theres no other device they offer id want.
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Either we have very different phones or i don't know what, sense is rapid, never slows down unless it's being woken from a long time asleep (low cpu levels when off for a long time)
It's fluid constantly, i have no lag and no overheating at all.
@dladz
It's a fact unfortunately. Many people cannot distinguish smoothness from snappyness IMHO.
Sense roms are snapy, but lets admit.. they are not fluid while pure android phones ( thinking about nexuses) are both, snapy and fluid.
Where sense gets it wrong? Well in many places. For example.. Turning lighter on ( from quick settings) in stock android have very nice animation, same for airplane mode, localization, screen rotation and so on, while on sense roms You have none of these.
Want to check your data usage? In stock android You can do it from quicksettings and You will be pleased with nice, instant animation, on sense You can find it deep under phone settings.
Opening recents from home screen? There is always small lag/a few dropped frames on sense, do the same thing from an app and vuala, no delay. On stock its all smooth and flawless.
Then worst part that luckily is dependable on launcher.. App opening animation. On stock android You will see close to instant animation after taping on app icon, ( for the most part...) then, on sense You will tap, wait a bit and then see very fast animation = snappines is there but smoothness, well not so much.
I bought M9 with hope that it will recive a good third party support like m8 did and I thought that sense is not that bad ( but as You already said, everything is bad after using stock nexus software)
I had nexus 5 before M9 and I wanted to keep it for one more year because all flagships from this year were dissapointing for me but it died. ( broken screen. tough I finally repaired it myself.) M9 seemed like best option as samsung is samsung and I cant stand their software and z3+ was over $350 more expensive than One.
Personaly I was really dissapointed with htc software and phone in general but after switching to stable CM12.1 I'm happy once again.
And BTW xperia UI and also motorolla UI is way closer to stock android than one M9, in my opinion those two are also better looking ones.
I'm waiting for cm13 and marshmallow to see if our phone will get some optimization from nexus 6p because it has same hardware
if will be disappointing (even if this phone is pretty satisfying as it is) I will consider to change phone
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toster jp said:
@dladz
It's a fact unfortunately. Many people cannot distinguish smoothness from snappyness IMHO.
Sense roms are snapy, but lets admit.. they are not fluid while pure android phones ( thinking about nexuses) are both, snapy and fluid.
Where sense gets it wrong? Well in many places. For example.. Turning lighter on ( from quick settings) in stock android have very nice animation, same for airplane mode, localization, screen rotation and so on, while on sense roms You have none of these.
Want to check your data usage? In stock android You can do it from quicksettings and You will be pleased with nice, instant animation, on sense You can find it deep under phone settings.
Opening recents from home screen? There is always small lag/a few dropped frames on sense, do the same thing from an app and vuala, no delay. On stock its all smooth and flawless.
Then worst part that luckily is dependable on launcher.. App opening animation. On stock android You will see close to instant animation after taping on app icon, ( for the most part...) then, on sense You will tap, wait a bit and then see very fast animation = snappines is there but smoothness, well not so much.
I bought M9 with hope that it will recive a good third party support like m8 did and I thought that sense is not that bad ( but as You already said, everything is bad after using stock nexus software)
I had nexus 5 before M9 and I wanted to keep it for one more year because all flagships from this year were dissapointing for me but it died. ( broken screen. tough I finally repaired it myself.) M9 seemed like best option as samsung is samsung and I cant stand their software and z3+ was over $350 more expensive than One.
Personaly I was really dissapointed with htc software and phone in general but after switching to stable CM12.1 I'm happy once again.
And BTW xperia UI and also motorolla UI is way closer to stock android than one M9, in my opinion those two are also better looking ones.
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First and foremost you're giving me your opinion, nothing more.
Stock android gives you the minimum. If that's what you want then fair enough, go for it.
Grab yourself a nexus.
This is a htc device. And FYI I am well aware of the difference between snappy and fluid, you implicated that I don't.
My phone is as fluid as any.
Please see this video showcasing some animations and UI (old ish video)
https://youtu.be/FrIJdvm_fiQ
If this isn't what you want then you bought the wrong phone. Complaining about it won't change a damn thing.
Your opinion does not spell fact, it is simply your opinion. That is a fact.
So i would say, either enjoy the phone or buy another.. Just stop complaining about it, there's nothing that can be gained from it.
Also, sonys Ui is a disgrace, it's large and clunky. Over baring and just nowhere near as functional as it should be, plus it's several times larger than stock android,? Not sure where you got your info from mate.
Motorola is stock android mate, it's owned by google, or was at least. So no surprise there.
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Sounds like an opinion more than a fact.
If this is how you feel then why did you buy a HTC device? I have to say, in terms of pace and reliability Sense is definitely one of the quickest UI's you are likely to see, Touch Wiz, LG's own, Sony's own, MIUI, Huawei's thing, none are as quick as sense.
However......
If you like the M9 but want animations, go to my thread and install xposed and XUI and Screen Off Animation then you can have all the animations you want.
The battery implications, believe it or not are minimal and certainly in line with other devices, including the Nexus (even with xposed installed) it'll be the apps you have which have a stronger bearing on your battery usage than xposed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/one...-m9-xposed-t3120711/post63539475#post63539475
Enjoy
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Either we have very different phones or i don't know what, sense is rapid, never slows down unless it's being woken from a long time asleep (low cpu levels when off for a long time)
It's fluid constantly, i have no lag and no overheating at all.
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First and foremost you're giving me your opinion, nothing more.
Stock android gives you the minimum. If that's what you want then fair enough, go for it.
Grab yourself a nexus.
This is a htc device. And FYI I am well aware of the difference between snappy and fluid, you implicated that I don't.
My phone is as fluid as any.
Please see this video showcasing some animations and UI (old ish video)
https://youtu.be/FrIJdvm_fiQ
If this isn't what you want then you bought the wrong phone. Complaining about it won't change a damn thing.
Your opinion does not spell fact, it is simply your opinion. That is a fact.
So i would say, either enjoy the phone or buy another.. Just stop complaining about it, there's nothing that can be gained from it.
Also, sonys Ui is a disgrace, it's large and clunky. Over baring and just nowhere near as functional as it should be, plus it's several times larger than stock android,? Not sure where you got your info from mate.
Motorola is stock android mate, it's owned by google, or was at least. So no surprise there.
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It sounds like your posts are also full of opinions.
People buy phones for varying reasons. Just because someone is pointing out shortfalls of a device doesn't mean he/she doesn't want to own said device. Telling someone to "go grab yourself a nexus" just weakens your argument.
Similar to the users who posted in this thread, I also notice some lag in some cases, e.g., when opening "recents" on the M9, which was never the case on, say, the Nexus 6. However, I was fully expecting to experience lag on the M9 coming from the Nexus 6. I choose the M9, for other reasons, i.e., I was looking for a 5" device with front facing stereo speakers. That limits my choices greatly, so I have had to compromise. Does the fact that I currently own an M9 mean that I can't point out it's weaknesses? Absolutely not. (And pointing out weaknesses is not necessarily complaining.) When I owned the Nexus 6, I certainly pointed out it's weaknesses (and strengths), as I did with previous devices I've owned.
I also noticed that you were not using stock Sense in the video you posted. Would you say stock Sense is as fluid as the ROM you were using? I would say a more fair comparison would be stock Nexus 6 vs stock M9, no?
And yes, you are correct, complaining about a phone isn't going to make it better. But then again, being a fan boy won't get rid of shortcomings either.
Either way, the M9 is certainly a nice device. Is it perfect? No. But no device is. Everyone compromises based on what is important to him/her.
And by the way, Motorola devices do NOT use stock Android. That is a fact.
Coming from a Nexus 4, I'm not seeing much difference in fluidness and smoothness. The M9 is right there with the Nexus 4. When the Nexus 5 came out, I did look into it, but the majority of reviews I read didn't see it as a big jump from the 4. Maybe the Nexus 6 is a bigger improvement. I didn't go for the 6 because I don't want a screen that dang big. My wife likes the Samsung Notes, so I am familiar with Touchwiz and will state that Sense is leaps and bounds smoother and more fluid than it. Currently, I do have two Moto Gs in the household and as far as I can tell they are stock Android.
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First and foremost, read carefully. I'm not just giving You my opinion, I've pointed out where sense isn't smooth while stock is - its not an opinion its fact, I could even make video just to proof that. ( although there are already tons of videos about stock android transitions/animations that sense lacks btw.)
Stock android gives you the minimum. If that's what you want then fair enough, go for it.
Grab yourself a nexus.
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Thats what I want, I like minimal aproach to software. And also, I've explained already why I'm not using nexus currently and also why I use M9 now...
This is a htc device. And FYI I am well aware of the difference between snappy and fluid, you implicated that I don't.
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I implicated that many don't, not necessarily You.
About Your video and Your animations pack.. Well I know those animations for years now I was using some of them a few years ago on xperia p and I thought they were cool but i don't think they are anymore as they mostly don't make sense, and also they dont fit with material design philosophy and guidelines. Then again You are not using stock sense and although Your phone is smooth for the most part - You were showcasing parts of software that are usualy smoooth on most android phones.. I already pointed out where sense isn't smooth and I bet that Your sense based rom isn't smooth there as well - You just don't care.
So i would say, either enjoy the phone or buy another..
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- did You read my comment to the end..? I've said there that " Personaly I was really dissapointed with htc software and phone in general but after switching to stable CM12.1 I'm happy once again. " Also I don't like stock software, not hardware and while I cannot change hardare I could change software - and I did...
Also, sonys Ui is a disgrace, it's large and clunky. Over baring and just nowhere near as functional as it should be, plus it's several times larger than stock android,? Not sure where you got your info from mate.
Motorola is stock android mate, it's owned by google, or was at least. So no surprise there
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First of all, sense roms are even bigger than xperia ones, and also sony's UI is closer to stock android.. ( quick settings, recents, or even softbuttons all these elements ale closer to stock than sense implementations.)
And from what I know, motorola isn't google anymore - its owned by lenovo + motorola's UI is close to stock, but they have their own additions - so its no longer stock..
Complaining about it won't change a damn thing.
Just stop complaining about it, there's nothing that can be gained from it.
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- Seriously? I will keep on complaining becasuse it can change a damn thing - its just a software that could be modified. (Also pointing out weaknesses is not necessarily complaining.) - not even my words - @efrant
By pointing out those shortfalls I'm not saying HTC is bad, I own their phone after all, I'm just trying to show where sense could improve in terms of smothness.
I don't get why so many android guys (ios guys as well) cannot admit that android/their phone isn't perfect. There is a lot to be improved and personally I dont know why I should stay quiet and do nothing about it.
Maybe I'll make a video with nexus 5 running stock marshmallow, and one M9 running both, CM and sense, just to prove that its not M9 hardware that makes phone not so smooth but its own sofrware. ( looking at You sense)
BTW. Have You tried CM 12.1 build from camera bounty thread or have You ever used nexus as Your daily driver? (dladz?)
As for the OP @iprong
You can try flashing this bouild from rashed -http://downloads.hostingsharedbox.com/rashed/m9/himaul/ ( fully functional CM12.1, the latest one is the one You should go with.)
And If You like sense apps then just look for them on xda, I'm sure someone ported them for AOSP based roms.
efrant said:
It sounds like your posts are also full of opinions.
People buy phones for varying reasons. Just because someone is pointing out shortfalls of a device doesn't mean he/she doesn't want to own said device. Telling someone to "go grab yourself a nexus" just weakens your argument.
Similar to the users who posted in this thread, I also notice some lag in some cases, e.g., when opening "recents" on the M9, which was never the case on, say, the Nexus 6. However, I was fully expecting to experience lag on the M9 coming from the Nexus 6. I choose the M9, for other reasons, i.e., I was looking for a 5" device with front facing stereo speakers. That limits my choices greatly, so I have had to compromise. Does the fact that I currently own an M9 mean that I can't point out it's weaknesses? Absolutely not. (And pointing out weaknesses is not necessarily complaining.) When I owned the Nexus 6, I certainly pointed out it's weaknesses (and strengths), as I did with previous devices I've owned.
I also noticed that you were not using stock Sense in the video you posted. Would you say stock Sense is as fluid as the ROM you were using? I would say a more fair comparison would be stock Nexus 6 vs stock M9, no?
And yes, you are correct, complaining about a phone isn't going to make it better. But then again, being a fan boy won't get rid of shortcomings either.
Either way, the M9 is certainly a nice device. Is it perfect? No. But no device is. Everyone compromises based on what is important to him/her.
And by the way, Motorola devices do NOT use stock Android. That is a fact.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/moto-x-pure-edition-review
??? It's not stock android??? Oh ? It certainly looks like it to me, maybe a few additional addons yea but it's got the launcher, the settings, the lack of any additional UI ? Fact !
As for my opinion, it's based on what i see and feel so yea you're right it's my opinion, however what i'm saying is that the HTC is not a slow phone, it doesn't lag and if you watched my video you'd know that, if your phones lagging then you're obviously doing something wrong, you probably have apps dragging your phone down or it's not been optimised as mine has, as my phone simply does not lag.
And no it wasn't stock sense, it was Leedroid, it had xposed and 2 extra mods making animations, it was also not the most up to date version of android either, it was just a video i made to showcase some mods.
I haven't mentioned stock sense, not once, I am literally speaking from my experience as an experienced modder and user of custom roms, of course it's not stock, why would anyone buy a HTC device and then not mod it? It's ludicrous as their OS without modification is pants and has been for a long time, this is at the end of the day XDA developers, we mod phones, this is why we're here, if you're running total stock then i have no idea why you've come to XDA in the first place as you would be like a fish amongst land mammals.
Stock nexus 6 vs a stock htc device? I have no idea, truthfully, the nexus as it's lighter will probably be a quicker device so in that case i concur it would be, but as i've said, i'm not talking about a stock experience i'm talking about HTC vs ????? whatever, the way i have my phone set up is by far and away a quicker and more fluid phone than anything i've ever used, even my old S3 with Foxhounds rom would be quicker and more fluid than a nexus or even the next nexus, perhaps not but it gives you an indication of whats possible, I'm also more than happy to help people if they need it, if they want to make their phone as mine is or mimmick one of my set ups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BJhIqPmJ0
My old s3, this phone flew, without modification this phone was awful, but, thanks to the dev's on XDA namely @raffaele88 it was made possible.
In regards to me being a fan boy, may i remind you that this is the HTC section of XDA developers, this is a place for people who love the HTC device, what did you expect to find within this location?
Being beyond presumptuous and blind to obviousness what is your point here? I fail to see it, if you've got a HTC device wouldn't that make you a fan boy too? If we aren't all fanboys here then something has gone very wrong for those people and they've bought the wrong device.
The primary reason why i have a soft spot for HTC devices and yes perhaps a little bit of a biased opinion is because HTC gave me my first android device and probably spawned the beginning of the android life with superb phones such as the Hero, Desire, Nexus One and the G1, lest we forget, without them we really wouldn't have the choices we have today, I guess some people don't feel as nostalgic as I do or as grateful when buying a device.
Lastly, the recents tab, again, i do not have any sort of lag whilst using my device, it's not lagging it's not jumping or "Snappy" it's just a quick phone, the same as every other device is once i've modded it and got it the way i like it, if you don't mod your phone then that's your journey, but if you make a claim that a device is not fluid or quick or anything else and you make that assumption in a place where people have just that then you really should expect those people to tell you that you're wrong, which is simply what i've done
EDIT: @toster jp if you're going to go on like that, i'll just tell you to see what i wrote above too.
If you're having these problems then you either don't know what you're doing or you're being beyond nitpicky.
Either way you're wrong.
And as for a stock experience, i was one of the original pledgers who has paid their amount even though i dont use stock no more.
Please do a bit of reading before you assume something http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/bounty-htc-one-m9-aosp-cm12-1-camera-t3193175 I do not see your name on that list ? I was also the guy who realised that snap cameras api allows the usage of video recording when there was a problem with it, you're welcome
@dladz
Your last comment is such a mess. It also proves nothing and have no much sens to be honest. Your phone don't lag? Great - it doesn't mean that Your phone is fluid, and thats the point. You are just admitting that snapinnes equals to smoothnes for You. ( With animations turned out Your phone won't lag either is it smoooth now? )
Motorola is using modified stock, = its no longer stock android, its simple as that. And if You cannot see a difference betwen them then well, its just a good sign that You weren't using stock android much..
Also - details makes a difference. Details are part of user experience that You don't care much from what I can see.
Lastly, the recents tab, again, i do not have any sort of lag whilst using my device, it's not lagging it's not jumping or "Snappy" it's just a quick phone, the same as every other device is once i've modded it and got it the way i like it, if you don't mod your phone then that's your journey, but if you make a claim that a device is not fluid or quick or anything else and you make that assumption in a place where people have just that then you really should expect those people to tell you that you're wrong, which is simply what i've done
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And who doesn't mod their phone out there? If someone is wrong there its You and not us, but if You are satisfied with ' a quick phone without lags' then great for You. We just demend a bit more and yeah, we do care about those details that doesn't mater for You.
Please do a bit of reading before you assume something http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-...amera-t3193175 I do not see your name on that list ?
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You dont see my name on that list because I dont think that this device is worth even more money on it, 25bucks for s-off was enaugh for me That changes nothing anyway.
Btw, You are just trying to convince us that sense is smoother than pure android when its clearly not, and Your biggest points are that we are doing sth wrong couse Your phone isn't lagging? Or You are trying to convince us that details doesn't matter? Its just painful to read
In regards to me being a fan boy, may i remind you that this is the HTC section of XDA developers, this is a place for people who love the HTC device, what did you expect to find within this location? Being beyond presumptuous and blind to obviousness what is your point here? I fail to see it, if you've got a HTC device wouldn't that make you a fan boy too? If we aren't all fanboys here then something has gone very wrong for those people and they've bought the wrong device.
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XDA is not necesarly place for people who love HTC,( even in htc thread ) and no, owning HTC device doesn't make anybody a fanboy.
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