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[COMP]Google N1 vs HTC Desire

So, what do you think about this battle?) Who'll win?
The only things that I don't like in N1 are: display with strange colour rendition, camera which is pink maniak (hey, like pink panther) and silent ring.
Will these thing be removed in HTC Desire?
Or maybe it's better to wait for Samsung Wave (super AMOLED display, but strange OS)

Honestly the Desire imo, fm radio, wm playback and ram/rom are just a few of the things that make it ahead of the N1 for me.

For me, the N1 is clearly the better Phone with the Noice Cancellation and way faster Software/Firmware-Support from Google.
I will never again use a Phone with Sense because of the lazy HTC-Support.
I believe the Community-Support will be much better for the N1, just look whats done so far. It was a nice Idea from Google to gave the N1 to many Android-Software-Developres for free.
And my personal Opinion: I couldnt believe my eyes when i saw a picture from the Desire at MWC. It looks much cheaper in real life than on the leaked Promo-Shots from last year. For me, the N1 looks better.

Currently have a N1, but "broke" it (still working, apart from few sensors),
with the insurance money, I will buy a Desire, since it will be available here.
No contenst unless theyll start also selling N1 straight to Finland.
HW buttons are better, going to miss notification led thou. And will cry if fastboot unlock is disabled.

i prefer Desire,because i don't like N1's track-ball....

Desire ROM on Nexus hardware
Get the best of both the worlds

It's not a case of which one is better, the desire will sell more purely because it's avaliable in store and it's avaliable on all 5 UK Networks.
People can walk into a store not knowing who HTC are and walk out with a Desire, for the Nexus you have to be specifically wanting the Nexus and then go online and pay a lot of money to get one shipped over.

Same screen as nexus?
Wonder if it will have the same screen as nexus ... if so that will suck.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/02/the-nexus-ones-dirty-display-secret/

Is it common for people to remove the sense UI from android phones and run a more stock style android interface? Is this easily done with a phone like the Desire in the near future? Im on WinMo now with my Raph/Fuze and just tired of dealing with the HTC interface, hate windows too. Been using the android port for the last few months and love it. Im just stuck trying to decide between getting a nexus or the Desire whenever it will be available in the states. Plus i dont want the Sense UI, thats my main concern with the Desire.

mbomberz1 said:
Is it common for people to remove the sense UI from android phones and run a more stock style android interface? Is this easily done with a phone like the Desire in the near future? Im on WinMo now with my Raph/Fuze and just tired of dealing with the HTC interface, hate windows too. Been using the android port for the last few months and love it. Im just stuck trying to decide between getting a nexus or the Desire whenever it will be available in the states. Plus i dont want the Sense UI, thats my main concern with the Desire.
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What are your reasons for not wanting Sense UI?

I'm thinking the desire may be better quality build (minus the dust prob and hardware buttons which some may view as a plus or minus, I having lived with capacitive buttons for a year, despise them). Although I would much prefer the option to have either sense or the standard android, and as I'm not familiar with android and their homescreens, is this possible on a stock desire rom?
From what I can tell, sense is mostly just a theme along with widgets, so change the theme and then don't use the widgets right?

It's 99% Likely you'll be able to flash stock 2.1 android... A Nexus one rom, providing you root

brummiesteven said:
It's 99% Likely you'll be able to flash stock 2.1 android... A Nexus one rom, providing you root
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Yea, not sure i'd want to root, already been down that path with my blackstone. hmmmm.......

OnlinePredator said:
Yea, not sure i'd want to root, already been down that path with my blackstone. hmmmm.......
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Technically you should just be able to install Launcher2.apk and switch between Sense home and Stock Android Home. Although you'd still have all the Sense apps ie contacts etc but you'd be able to replace these too.

brummiesteven said:
What are your reasons for not wanting Sense UI?
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Well i have not actually used Sense, just some of the Roms on my Fuze that try to mimic it. It might just be the Windows Mobile underlying that makes me hate the HTC skin, im just annoyed with it all. Using the stock android on my phone, even with the odd glitches here and there due to the early port, leaves me feeling much more free and happier with my phone.

I'm thinking nexus, purely as I don't want to root my device (hehehe root my device.....)
Although I do prefer the optical trackpad and the hardware buttons.......grrr hard decisions...

For me, it will come down to which one I can get AT&T 3G on. The phones are almost identical, and I will surely root/flash it, so the stock ROM won't matter. I do think the Nexus looks better, and will probably get better support from Google.

Motoroi is looking better than both at the moment though......except of course looks lol. But with hdmi out, 720p recording and 8mp camera with xenon flash.....v.nice! Wonder if they seriously think a 550mhz chip will suffice though?

htc Desire^^ because I dont like the trackball, and I LOVE the Sense UI

OnlinePredator said:
Motoroi is looking better than both at the moment though......except of course looks lol. But with hdmi out, 720p recording and 8mp camera with xenon flash.....v.nice! Wonder if they seriously think a 550mhz chip will suffice though?
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Just looked up the Motoroi for the 1st time... looks kinda pathetic next to the Desire and Nexus..
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=2067&id2=2251&id3=2218

HTC Sense 4.0 on Galaxy Nexus?

I know I'm probably going to get shot down but hear me out at least.
Before HTC announced Sense 4.0, I wasn't a massive fan of the sense experience - so much that I was runny vanilla android on my HTC Desire.
However, with the announcement of Sense 4.0 my opinions changed. I didn't think it would be possible to get it on non HTC devices due to how much sense is built into the OS and hardware, but I noticed that someone has successfully managed to port the HTC Endeavour RUU to their Nexus S albeit with not much working. We do however have a newer device, with a 720p screen which the HTC Endeavour RUU uses.
Don't get my wrong I love ICS, but there's something about the new sense incorporated with it.
Unfortunately, I wouldn't know where to begin to do the said work, but I was just wondering how many people feel the same.
What are the chances of a dev taking up the project, I would be more than happy to donate.

Not going to happen.
HTC uses different chipsets than Samsung.
Sense hasn't been run on TI processors, mostly Snapdragons and according to the HTC Endeavor specs, now Tegra 3 is thrown into that mix.
It makes it impossible to port it over to have a fully functioning port with everything working. You may be able to get it to boot, but not too much else.

Makes sense, however if that's the case, why is there is pretty much a working build of Sense 2.1 on the Nexus S?
It must be possible, but I reckon it would take a lot of work.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

Thread reported. The search button does function quite well. We have had numerous Sense porting threads that you could have found. Good luck!
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[Q] Sense vs. Stock

Hey, I am coming from a Nexus One so I'm very comfortable with stock Android.
I have preordered a One X and would like to know what benefits and drawbacks there are with Sense.
Cheers.

PsiAdster said:
Hey, I am coming from a Nexus One so I'm very comfortable with stock Android.
I have preordered a One X and would like to know what benefits and drawbacks there are with Sense.
Cheers.
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Well first of all you coming from a nexus one, you will absolutely love the one X and HTC sense ( even tho I haven't play with the phone yet I'm pretty sure). It is a huge upgrade. As far as sense vs stock well sense offers a lot more customization, excellent widgets, it's eye candy. Stock is always great as it is easy to update, you get the pure google experience and there is less chances of lag and stuff since android OSs are optimized to work really well with nexus phones. Now for drawbacks the only thing I can think of for sense and any other overlays is that it will result in later OS updates. But HTC does a very good job at updating their devices in a timely fashion plus they will focus a lot on the one x so you're good to go.

barondebxl said:
Well first of all you coming from a nexus one, you will absolutely love the one X and HTC sense ( even tho I haven't play with the phone yet I'm pretty sure). It is a huge upgrade. As far as sense vs stock well sense offers a lot more customization, excellent widgets, it's eye candy. Stock is always great as it is easy to update, you get the pure google experience and there is less chances of lag and stuff since android OSs are optimized to work really well with nexus phones. Now for drawbacks the only thing I can think of for sense and any other overlays is that it will result in later OS updates. But HTC does a very good job at updating their devices in a timely fashion plus they will focus a lot on the one x so you're good to go.
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Awesome. Thanks for your input.
Anyone else got something to add?

Your question is kind of confusing. "stock" for any HTC device is going to be sense. I think you mean AOSP vs Sense. AOSP has less polish and eye candy, but usually offers more speed and better battery life.
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barondebxl said:
Well first of all you coming from a nexus one, you will absolutely love the one X and HTC sense ( even tho I haven't play with the phone yet I'm pretty sure). It is a huge upgrade. As far as sense vs stock well sense offers a lot more customization, excellent widgets, it's eye candy. Stock is always great as it is easy to update, you get the pure google experience and there is less chances of lag and stuff since android OSs are optimized to work really well with nexus phones. Now for drawbacks the only thing I can think of for sense and any other overlays is that it will result in later OS updates. But HTC does a very good job at updating their devices in a timely fashion plus they will focus a lot on the one x so you're good to go.
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slapshot30 said:
Your question is kind of confusing. "stock" for any HTC device is going to be sense. I think you mean AOSP vs Sense. AOSP has less polish and eye candy, but usually offers more speed and better battery life.
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Ahh. More specifically I was using CM7. 1.

Back in the days, Sense was really bad and it slowed down your device.
But the One X has the right hardware and Sense 4 is so clean and it's still lokking great.
You will enjoy it!

Until we all have it in our hands, no one really knows.
Sense 4 looks like such an improvement on all levels so we'll see.

I've already tested it for 3 hours and it's amazing.
I agree, the last versions of Sense were buggy and slow but now HTC found the perfect mix of speed and design.

I have to say that Sense is a really good looking skin, the best in my opinion compared to others. My guess is that you'll like it because I don't know many people who really hate it nowadays and I'm sure it's going to be better than it used to be. And AOSP roms are sure to be made at some point. As long as HTC unlocks the device, which I'm assuming they will soon after release.

Awesome. Cheers for the input, looking forward to getting my hands on this phone.

Importantly, sense has more widgets that integrate with android which provide better convenience for users. However, we do see many other alternatives inspired by sense which can be achievable even you're on AOSP. Personally, I feel that there is no other theme that make me feel that what I'm using is really a smartphone other than Sense. Ever since the touch diamond time.
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I'm not such a big fan of sense. To me, it's a little uninspired. The white menus with their "shutter" effect is a little jarring if you ask me, and the widgets are becoming a little long in the tooth. If I were to choose any skin it would definitely be Sony's. Theirs is somewhat minimal with very cool and subtle animations and overall a bit "darker", in keeping with Google's AOSP, almost more slick and business-like. That said, I find Sense much better than say what Samsung and LG have on their phones.
In any case, I've placed an order for the X, but I'll be keeping my eye out for both CM9 and MIUI ROMs.

I am using a desire now and can appreciate Sense.
Although I don't use the friendstream and other widgets, the eye candy is nice And I love the other features such as cutting off the ring tone by flipping the phone etc.
The new ones with active lockscreen should be ace.

I always liked Sense then switched roms and started using GO Launcher EX it is brilliant.Though I really am looking forward to seeing what Sense 4 is like on the One X ...roll on next week

Being a noob to android, can anyone explain how much of the features of a phone are likely to be tied to the software rather than hardware?
Obviously very hard to tell with this phone not being out yet, but things like the video recording and taking a picture at the same time, or apt-x compatibility, or even compatibility with the htc media link
Do you need to keep sense in order for those things to work?

No Sense ICS HTC One X

It has been over 2.5 years for me without any Android device in my pocket and i just got my One X (Norway)
The device is unlocked and is has no operator lock or software of any kind installed.
I was wandering if there is any way that i can turn off HTC SENSE because it is just horrible. I want the clean ICS experience.
I know some people will reply to this by saying that i should get the galaxy nexus but i really enjoy the hardware in this device and galaxy nexus hasnt really been something i wanted , never.
Well if there is any way to stop sense and simply running clean ICS?
Thanks in advance!
PS: I couldnt find another thread with this question but if there is please feel free to delete this one, i dont want to be any trouble.

Unfortunately you can't just "stop" Sense, it's deeply integrated into the OS on HTC phones. The best you can do is wait for an AOSP ROM to come out, based on plain ICS - but it generally takes a lot of work to get all the drivers working perfectly on AOSP builds, so I expect we'll need to give it time.
On other Sense phones (like the DHD) there have been "no-Sense" scripts available, but these are actually a little misnamed. They don't remove Sense, they really just remove the HTC launcher (called Rosie) and its associated widgets. Things like the Sense dialer, contacts, calendar etc. are all still there even with these no-Sense scripts.
You could always try installing a 3rd party launcher to get a more ICS feel, but Sense will still be there underneath.

So the only way for me to experience is to actually buy a Google experience phone?
Thats unfair in my opinion since HTC should give us the chance, i personally would love to have a stock android option on my One X but if it isnt possible i will return this phone on monday back to the shop.
Thanks for fast reply, i appreciated.

JSconnected said:
So the only way for me to experience is to actually buy a Google experience phone?
Thats unfair in my opinion since HTC should give us the chance, i personally would love to have a stock android option on my One X but if it isnt possible i will return this phone on monday back to the shop.
Thanks for fast reply, i appreciated.
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Not exactly. Just wait. It'll be a while, but you have bought the device very early. A lot of people feel like you do about HTC Sense (perhaps not as far as returning the device) so it shouldn't take that long.
HTC Sense isn't that bad. Having said that, I want the same (as you). I've always used CyanogenMod on my HTC devices in the past.
Replacing the launcher makes a significant difference, in my opinion. I currently have Trebuchet Launcher installed (from CM9). Everything else is still HTC Sense. I miss just how tweakable the CyanogenMod ROMs are, but HTC Sense is far from bad.
The device is sold for both hardware and software, remember. You're not buying just the hardware. The software takes up a lot of time for the company in development and it is just as important as the hardware. HTC Sense is their way of differentiating. It's part of what you're paying for, whether you want it or not.

HTC don't exactly make a secret of the fact their phones come with Sense, in fact it's one of their biggest marketing factors, and for some people it's the reason they buy HTC. The only way I know of to get a plain ICS experience is the Galaxy Nexus. Most or all manufacturers selling phones with ICS have their own UI overlay on top. Sense is probably the one that changes things most from the plain ICS experience, but I think they all do it.
I don't know how much time you have to return the phone and get a refund, but if you can, try it with another launcher before you do anything drastic. As aameerp says, it makes a big difference. I ran my DHD with ADW for the first year or so I had it, and only switched back to using the Sense launcher about 6 months ago. ADW worked great and I still got all the good Sense stuff, like Facebook integration, dialer, etc.
Sense isn't just the launcher that controls the home screen and widgets. Bear in mind that some of the Sense apps in the phone (camera, music, etc.) are specifically built for the hardware, so if you change the basic UI with an ICS-style launcher, you can change the look but keep those apps, and continue to make best use of that fantastic hardware.
AOSP ROMs will come in time. This is a brand new phone (mine hasn't even arrived yet ) and there will surely be a Cyanogenmod release for it, at the very least.

[Q] Sense ROM on Nexus 7

Has there been a Sense ROM ported to the Nexus 7? I'm new to the Nexus world and have been a Sense user/lover for a while and would really enjoy a port of this kind.

Lol.
Why buy a Nexus if you want and love HTC Sense? Sell the Nexus and buy a HTC tablet?

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Lol.
Why buy a Nexus if you want and love HTC Sense? Sell the Nexus and buy a HTC tablet?
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But but... what htc tablet should he buy?? there are no htc tablets running sense (yes the htc flyer does exist but it's extremely outdated)

noahvt said:
But but... what htc tablet should he buy?? there are no htc tablets running sense (yes the htc flyer does exist but it's extremely outdated)
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Sorry for the late reply. I didn't get notice that anyone had replied to my post. Yes indeed there are no HTC tablets out right now. The reason I got a nexus was because I traded my Windows 8 Toshiba Encore for it and the nexus is not a Samsung with Touchwiz which I hate. Not ever having a nexus of any kind I assumed they were much more custom ROM friendly. But maybe not when incorporated with manufacturer's UI.
Thanks for the looking out.

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Sorry for the late reply. I didn't get notice that anyone had replied to my post. Yes indeed there are no HTC tablets out right now. The reason I got a nexus was because I traded my Windows 8 Toshiba Encore for it and the nexus is not a Samsung with Touchwiz which I hate. Not ever having a nexus of any kind I assumed they were much more custom ROM friendly. But maybe not when incorporated with manufacturer's UI.
Thanks for the looking out.
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When considering a Nexus device the whole idea (I think even in Google's part) was to set the 'vanilla benchmark' if you will, for how Android should look and feel and let OEMs paste on their skins on top of this. I agree, of all the OEM skins Sense is (now) far and away the best, but the only reason Nexus Devices have custom ROMs, is for customisation of the "stock" feel as opposed to tweaks of another OEM skin. I'd imagine since the framework for OEM skins is dependent a fair amount on the hardware (or similar hardware) that the OEM produces, it's usually rare to see a different OEM skin on another device. (e.g. Sense usually gets ported between HTC devices and MUCH less so to others, as that's tougher).
You'll come to enjoy the fluidity of Google Android, don't worry, I know I have, being an ex Sense user!

I'd have to say that Motorola's "skin" is, by far, the best.

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I'd have to say that Motorola's "skin" is, by far, the best.
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I suppose, as it's about as close to vanilla Android as you'll get, it doesn't really count (with the Moto extras of courae)

I have an m8 I converted it to GPE two days after I got it I actually really liked sense but I'm impatient and don't want to wait a really long time to get lollipop especially coming from a nexus 5 getting updates instantly I love my nexus 7 though but I hated the n5
HTC One M8 GPE

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I have an m8 I converted it to GPE two days after I got it I actually really liked sense but I'm impatient and don't want to wait a really long time to get lollipop especially coming from a nexus 5 getting updates instantly I love my nexus 7 though but I hated the n5
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I have the M7 and just converted it to the GPE and I too liked the look of sense though I like the look of stock Android a little more. How come you didn't like the N5?

Bad battery life,was seeing a lot of hardware failure threads especially bad emmnc,screen quality was meh the only thing I really liked about the n5 was we are the first to get updates but I'm willing to be the second to get updates if I can get a much better device