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I don't use Youtube a whole lot, but every single video i have watched using the built-in app has sound/video out of sync. This happens over 3G or wifi.
Anyone else have this prob?
Yep. Had out of sync youtube. The latest ones I played were less out of sync. Maybe if I keep playing youtube clips every day the difference will get less and less every day.
I also get this problem, but it tends to be intermittant.
It may not just be YouTube - have a look at this thread too:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=658530
I'd be grateful if you could tell me if the attached mp4 files have the same out-of-sync issue on your Desire. They do on my HD2 but they play fine on a PC or the older HTC Touch HD. It may therefore be a Snapdragon chipset issue.
Started noticing that most videos I play from youtube whether though the built in app or the flash player are out of sync, not sure what's going on. Some videos are worse than others but not seen one that was perfect.
Also had the youtube app freeze a few times on me, for example when the unable to play video window pops up. Had to kill the app.
So is this a more general issue of video playback for Snapdragon chipset phones or not? There's a whole heap of stuff on the issue, which affects both YouTube and other video playback on the HD2 here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=658136
I really would be grateful if some folk could try out at least one the test videos on the Desire and let us know if it is definitely in sync or not. Bear in mind that it's a small delay so you have to watch/listen carefully.
Thanks.
I watched both of the drum videos on both my pc and desire and found them both very difficult videos to judge, in the first the female drummers sticks are moving so quickly it kinda looked out of sync even on my pc. In the second the lip sync actually seemed ok on my phone, but with the transparent drum skin it was difficult to judge when the stick actually hit the drum.
I am currently copying a load of mp4 videos to my desire to do some more testing. I have also emailed HTC with my sync problems with youtube (mentioned that similar problem has been observed on the HD2) and wait to here if they have anything to say on the matter.
This is now confirmed as being a general video playback issue on the Desire as well as the HD2. It's therefore more than likely a Snapdragon chipset issue.
For a lot more info check out this HD2 thread, particularly post 94 and onwards from Desire users.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6156976#post6156976
I copied about 6 episode of a tv show onto sd card which were transcoded by Doubletwist, and they seem to play back fine, if there is any delay its imperceivable as the lip sync seems fine (I have in the past calibrated sync timing for HDMI and optical connections in home cinema systems so I like to think I would notice any major delay).
However the sync is a real problem for me on youtube and other streaming media, here the sound is almost always unbearably out of sync.
Fwiw I find beebplayer to be hopelessly out of sync also
To prove once and for all whether it's just YouTube or not, you might want to try the two short videos in the zip file here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6167143&postcount=128
The two clips are identical except one has had a deliberate 250ms audio delay inserted and one hasn't. Which one plays in sync on the Desire? Please let us know how you get on - thanks.
Well i just got the Desire, and vid 2 is much more in sync than number one,
Youtube is awful, iplayer a waste of time......
Considering these devices are sold on their screen quality etc, you would think you could watch a youtube video in sync, hell, Apple can do it on a touch, which is what i have to use for youtube, until I get the Ipad...........
Agreed the one with the delay added looks in sync, the one that plays fine on your PC looks out of sync. Anyone had anything back from HTC yet? I sent them a mail a couple of days ago not heard anything back yet.
Is this HTC issue or Google Android issue?
Someone has also Nexus One? How is it there?
Note that I saw this audio sync issue as well on my HTC Desire.
gogol said:
Is this HTC issue or Google Android issue?
Someone has also Nexus One? How is it there?
Note that I saw this audio sync issue as well on my HTC Desire.
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Definitely not a Google Android issue - it's the same on the HD2. It seems to affect all devices with the Snapdragon chipset. The sync problem doesn't exist on the Touch HD for example.
If anyone's raising this issue with HTC, they will appreciate it if you include the two files as an attachment. Then they can see exactly what you're talking about and won't just tell you to hard-reset your phone or use a different encoding method etc.
Wonder if anyone with an SE X10 is having the issue, that has a snapdragon so would prove a point. Had a quick search and can't find any mention of the issue on the x10 though.
How can they get this so wrong? the iPhone absolutely nails the desire in the media department - the quality of the stream and the audio output are far far better, and it really pains me to say that!
Response from HTC
Thank you for contacting us.
In regards to your enquiry about video/audio play back is poor,I can help you with that.
I suggest to call the hotline to book a repair to have the phone checked.
I trust that this resolves your query, please do not hesitate to contact us again if required.
Thank you for contacting HTC.
Best regards
Carola R.
HTC
I hope HTC take note that this is a problem and stop sending crap customer reply "I can help with that, send your phone for repair" responses.
hopefully a software update can fix this issue. Youtube and mp4 files are out of sync on the phone.
Anyone with this issue need to raise it with HTC or they'll do nothing to fix it.
They've now asked me for my software version after I complained about having to send them my 2 week old phone.
Yesterday I have tried this FREE app and videocall from Galaxy S to Desire was perfect, I could not believe how high quality video and voice are ! Fring and Qik are no longer needed since their quality is at least 5-10x worse than this so I have uninstalled them right away. Sometimes you must tap that icon for changing camera to get the video but other than that it works great, I am really surprised how simple and nice it looks and how it does not require registration, for 5 sec you are able to make a videocall for free if you are on WiFi.
http://www.tango.me/
So the front camera already works?
Yes, I didnt have this app before yesterday but now it works perfectly on Galaxys front camera ! Really new experience with this phone, I cannot believe how much better it is than my old Xperia X10.
Is it possible that there is no interrest for this great app on this forum ? The only videocall app that works how it should and no one is reporting how it works and on what phones does it work. Thats strange...
The fact that you can only video chat with other Tango users is holding it back. And the fact that it's only on iPhone and Android further limits how many people can use it.
For those that can use it and can get people they want to video chat with to use it, I'm sure it's great...
Might be useful to me if it either had a PC client or could video chat with Skype users. But the a**holes at Skype would probably block it then.
Well in comparision to FaceTime which works only iPhone 4 to iPhone 4 and only on WiFi this is reinvention of the wheel Also, Android + OSx covers A LOT of todays phones. Only thing that I also would like to see is PC client and if Tango makes that there is no need to use Skype or MSN anymore since chats are mostly on Facebook and videocall will be on Tango since the quality of the video is simply sick.
Skype are bunch of idiots, they have had videocall on Fring and I have tried it and it was POOR and DISASTER ! Video quality was like 2/10 with like 10 fps video and the voice lagged 2-3 seconds. Totaly unusable, I have tried it once and unistalled Fring, thats how bad it was. But Tango left me breathless when I tried it, really something new and I could not imagine that my WLAN with 30 kB/s upload speed could stream video with such quality and almost no lag.
Actually, for now, the only videochat for Android is Tango and there is nothing close to this app when it comes to free videocalling.
Yes, just tested. Working like a charm.
Pozdrav
Works a ok on my sgs.. and my wife's iphone.
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Well in comparision to FaceTime which works only iPhone 4 to iPhone 4 and only on WiFi this is reinvention of the wheel Also, Android + OSx covers A LOT of todays phones.
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Maybe where you live, but Android and iPhone only make up a small percentage of phones among people I know.
Hopefully this app can get a Symbian, Windows, Linux and Mac version so it can replace Skype completely.
I'm still waiting for something that lets me video chat with skype users on PC.
I really dont need Skype or MSN as soon as this app gets PC app. Android will be future, Symbian is dead, N8 is nothing special, Nokia is the past, WinMo could also be soon forgotten, that Win7 Mobile looks really lame and stupid to me so I think that Android community will have the biggest grow in next years.
Thanks for all the compliments - we've been working hard on this application for the past year.
Last Friday we pushed out an update that fixed the front camera on the i9000 and helped reduce battery consumption more than 50%.
Eventually, we want to make Tango work on any device that has a monitor and a camera, but we're focusing on making it the best mobile-to-mobile video calling application first.
Thanks for trying out Tango - let me know if you have any suggestions.
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Thanks for trying out Tango - let me know if you have any suggestions.
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just what others have said.. there's plenty of mobile to mobile apps out there already. there's NO mobile to pc android apps. that would differentiate you.
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Thanks for all the compliments - we've been working hard on this application for the past year.
Last Friday we pushed out an update that fixed the front camera on the i9000 and helped reduce battery consumption more than 50%.
Eventually, we want to make Tango work on any device that has a monitor and a camera, but we're focusing on making it the best mobile-to-mobile video calling application first.
Thanks for trying out Tango - let me know if you have any suggestions.
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I did have this application installed, but the battery drain was so bad I had to uninstall it. 50% reduce consumption is still unacceptable when it can be 0%, why don't you give the option to exit the app and stop the service draining the battery?
Leaving gtalk on hardly sees any usage of battery, surely you should be able to achieve the same result
Now that we are at phone to phone issue, can you make it work with the bluetooth properly?
I can hear fine but when bluetooth is connected both bt and phone microphone don't work so the other side can't hear me.
Also some notification or presence light would be very useful so we know which contact is online. Right now we're calling blind as my wife uses iphone that does not run in the background and even with the backgrounder it sometimes goes offline. Sucks that only she can initiate call or I have to call her first to turn on tango.
from what i hear the tango engineers are already working on the bluetooth issue (said it somewhere on their facebook)
since i dont need bt i can only say that this apl is awesome.. i mean have you guys seen the video quality on this thing?
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That is exactly what I cant believe, the QUALITY 8) I really hope that devs will make desktop app very soon.
Also pls make it play also with symbian phones..i have galaxy s and wife has Nokia mini...she demanded from me to write this
Tried it. really works great.
Tried it with iphone 4 user and it works great.
How do I upload video to internet/SoMe?
You cannot directly upload a video from the phone as far as I have known and tried...
However, the videos are very easily synced with your computer of choice using Zune, and you can upload them to any video sharing service without alterations.
Not able to upload a video, without a PC! Incredible.
I really hope they add that soon.
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I really don't think there is any option to do that. Not even in email.
But, don't forget, wp7 records 720p video, so, size of that video will be huge.
With iPhone, you can send video with e-mail (I think) and upload to YouTube.
I spent a good 2 hours yesterday searching trying to find someway to upload video from my phone to facebook. Every app i tried just did pictures. I eventually just did a sync w/ Zune and then uploaded it that way. Only then i became aware that the 3 minute video was 150mb. That would have taken forever on my phone. That is probably why that havent included that in some default setting. With the new data caps and everything, it would be very dangerous to allow video uploading of this size.
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I spent a good 2 hours yesterday searching trying to find someway to upload video from my phone to facebook. Every app i tried just did pictures. I eventually just did a sync w/ Zune and then uploaded it that way. Only then i became aware that the 3 minute video was 150mb. That would have taken forever on my phone. That is probably why that havent included that in some default setting. With the new data caps and everything, it would be very dangerous to allow video uploading of this size.
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On my other OS phone it warns me that I should use Wi-Fi instead of data connection to upload large vidoes to youtubes, but it's not even an option on wp7
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With iPhone, you can send video with e-mail (I think) and upload to YouTube.
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iPhone has uncapped upload speed on AT&T (1 to 2 mbps upload speed). All other phones on AT&T are capped at 300kbps upload speeds.
Anyway, upload a few hundred megabytes of video through phone data connection is really a waste of data bandwidth, battery and your time.
not to mention that if you're on the move you can easily go into a dark spot and the video upload would die, meaning you wasted all that bandwidth for a video that didn't even upload fully.
^What phone does that? They pause, then resume when network connection is established again.
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^What phone does that? They pause, then resume when network connection is established again.
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droid does.... sorry couldn't resist. there is an application called "andftp" that can resume an upload if needed. i've had youtube videos resume uploading (i have no idea how) after dropping out of wifi range. walking around the house while uploading a 1.4Gb video and forgetting it's uploading isn't really helpful.
as far as uploading (anywhere, any type of transfer) a video, it seems trivial. sure 720p is large in files, but it should be up to the user to decide how to use their bandwidth.
one of the users mentioned iphones being 'uncapped' and uploading at 1Mb/s. that's incredible, as i've -never- seen any actual uploads or speedtests that showed that kind of UP speed. sure, it may be a 1Mb connection, but upload is usually 100-200K in my experience.
for the majority of my pictures and videos, i use wifi ftp. there are proximity apps that will turn on wifi/bluetooth and sync (rsync) directories to home computers, and they absolutely ROCK. now, where is my automagical air-charging station that feeds microwaves through the house to charge the phone.
It should be my choice if I would like to upload a video or not.
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one of the users mentioned iphones being 'uncapped' and uploading at 1Mb/s. that's incredible, as i've -never- seen any actual uploads or speedtests that showed that kind of UP speed. sure, it may be a 1Mb connection, but upload is usually 100-200K in my experience.
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It is reported by speedtest app on iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4. It is not the theoritcal connection speed but real world upload test. And also, many AT&T Captivate owners can reach the similar upload speed when using non-AT&T modem firmware (it seems AT&T intentionally disabled HSUPA in the firmware). And AT&T openly admited that fact.
You won't see that speed on anything else, certainly not WP7 phones AT&T released.
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It should be my choice if I would like to upload a video or not.
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That WP7 is probably a wrong phone for you. Most of the features in WP7 are not user selectable.
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That WP7 is probably a wrong phone for you. Most of the features in WP7 are not user selectable.
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My guess is that video uploading will come to WP7, but that it is not near the top of Microsoft's to-do list simply because it doesn't provide that much benefit, due, as others have said, to the often huge file sizes.
It's not often one gets that desperate to upload a video that one can't wait until one gets to one's PC. Photos, different ballgame.
I'd love to have it, but it's not a deal breaker for me.
I think I've sent or uploaded a total of 2 or 3 videos from my previous phones. Resolution was small, and it still took forever. That was with EDGE though.
I really would like to see Skydrive store video. But if it doesn't come until the end of the year, I don't think I'll really notice.
With HSUPA disabled on these phones, upload speed on 3G (200 to 300kbps) is not much faster than EDGE.
I can't even send video with MMS.
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It is reported by speedtest app on iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4. It is not the theoritcal connection speed but real world upload test. And also, many AT&T Captivate owners can reach the similar upload speed when using non-AT&T modem firmware (it seems AT&T intentionally disabled HSUPA in the firmware). And AT&T openly admited that fact.
You won't see that speed on anything else, certainly not WP7 phones AT&T released.
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wow that's apretty impressive speed for up. thanks button used.
So ok here goes. I was playing around with the kin Twom and it's browser. So I went to the YouTube mobile site m.YouTube.com.it tries to play the videos but fails saying the phone can't play the video. Until one video. After clearing the cache and trying again sure enough it came. Right up. The name of the video was called lucky shot and it was the top favorites of the day. But it played. And played fine. Now I had no clue the kin could do this. So I tried youporn without any success but at the same time it sill attempts to play the file. Anyone else been able to get a video to play. I mean it looks like its supposed to but just not completed. Let's get to testing...
EDIT: I've been able to load some more sites. So I'm going to start a list of working video sites. Take into account that these sites only work when the planets are aligned and I'm assuming because it's the night of the super moon lol. But keep clearing cache and keep trying. The porn sites I list are only because there are very few mobile video sites that dont require HTML 5 or are device specific. So please don't judge me too harshly. It seems that 3gp and mp4 works for the most part.
www.porntube.com
www.YouTube.com
www.zoovision.com
mobile.traileraddict.com unbelievable quality near hd
m.revision3.com near hd quality fast site too watched an entire episode of destructoid
sap.splol.com/videos.html slow to load and audio is off?
Sites that don't work
m.comedycentral.com
m.funnyordie.com
Although i found the above quite interesting.. why dont you just post the link?.
You passed the no linkign limit and hell, just paste the vid id in other case.
How many "lucky shots" can be on YT? ****, it's not "a complex name that will identifiy a vid better" title...
I have watched lots of videos on Youtube. No problems at all!
Instead watching some *cough* porn *cough* on the Kin, a smarter approach would be to use wireshark or any wifi sniffer so you can get the MIME type of the request and response to the kin from this flash-usage websites.
Just because flash can have (much) more access to a filesystem that html and javascript.. you know..... ... and we can code flash and so.....
My kin plays videos fine. I've used youtube since I got the device. Occasionally it won't play the video. Or sometimes it is VERY laggy. At first I thought it was perhaps my internet connection but after trying it on my schools network(Which is business class and has download speeds of over 60mb/s) and encountering the same problem I decided it was the device.
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Instead watching some *cough* porn *cough* on the Kin, a smarter approach would be to use wireshark or any wifi sniffer so you can get the MIME type of the request and response to the kin from this flash-usage websites.
Just because flash can have (much) more access to a filesystem that html and javascript.. you know..... ... and we can code flash and so.....
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I'm currently working on that now just to no avail. It looks like flash is completely ignored so I'm sure it's just using direct link MP4, M4V, or 3GP files and streaming those instead. Access to the file system (without bricking the machine) would be the most useful at the moment. Though I'm sure with as buggy as the firmware is it shouldn't be too hard to exploit the machine. It's just to get those who know what to do with an exploit into assisting us. Think about it. This machine is only $50 right now and doesn't require a data plan so it's essentially an almost smartphone that doesn't require a data plan. And if we can get android on it then it will be a smartphone without a data plan LOL. So I'll keep testing.
The reason I didn't post the link was I really didn't feel like hand typing the entire URL to the video when I found out very quickly while posting the video that quite a few other Youtube videos work just fine as well but it's really a crap shoot.
My Kin two m is terrible with videos. I've tried the wifi at home and work, both are fast networks, both are terrible on my kin. On youTube I get a second of video, 15 seconds or more of buffering. What's worse is that the videos don't even seem to cache so if you manage to stagger your way through a whole video and then start it over, it buffers its way through the entire thing all over again. The media player often freezes up my browser too. The other times the phone just says "PLAYBACK PROBLEM Can't play this video on the phone." For now I'm kind of giving up on watching videos on this phone.
Try clearing your Browser cache in settings and rebooting the phone. Also try mobile.traileraddict.com and let me know how your phone does there. If they play correctly then it's probably a localized YouTube caching issue. That just means that most videos you are attempting to view haven't been viewed much in your area. It happens with quite a few videos for me. It's the way that YouTube does it's video delivery service. The more people watch one video in an area the more likely it's going to be stored on a local node. It's also the reason some YouTube videos on your PC load quicker than others.
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Try clearing your Browser cache in settings and rebooting the phone. Also try mobile.traileraddict.com and let me know how your phone does there. If they play correctly then it's probably a localized YouTube caching issue. That just means that most videos you are attempting to view haven't been viewed much in your area. It happens with quite a few videos for me. It's the way that YouTube does it's video delivery service. The more people watch one video in an area the more likely it's going to be stored on a local node. It's also the reason some YouTube videos on your PC load quicker than others.
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Hi! Thanks for the tips. I tried clearing everything and rebooting. youTube still lags like crazy. I didn't know that about the way youTube caches. That's a bummer. Just watched the Cars 2 trailer at traileraddict and it played all the way through, looked great too. Wish it wasn't so picky about where it gets its videos from, ha.
m.collegehumor.com doesn't seem to work. Gives a "This page cannot be displayed" message.
What I've found its....
From my experience on youtube with the kin 2, I've found that higher quality and longer videos (like around longer than 5-7 minutes) end up crashing the video player (or coming up with an error). I usually don't watch youtube on the kin for that reason (that half the videos I want to watch like minecraft videos don't work) but at least we know that the kin wasn't completely abandoned of youtube playback.
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m.collegehumor.com doesn't seem to work. Gives a "This page cannot be displayed" message.
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Same for me.
pacermike said:
Hi! Thanks for the tips. I tried clearing everything and rebooting. youTube still lags like crazy. I didn't know that about the way youTube caches. That's a bummer. Just watched the Cars 2 trailer at traileraddict and it played all the way through, looked great too. Wish it wasn't so picky about where it gets its videos from, ha.
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I think it's the playback format provided by the site that's causing the most hangups. I'm looking into making a site that would essentially provide stream links to the MP4 480-720p formats that are provided by Youtube but not streamed to this device by default. The format should work and it's going to be based on ps3youtube.com which is somewhat similar (sort of). For now I'm going to check and see about m.collegehumor.com. Check and try the regular collegehumor.com and see if it automatically switches to the mobile interface version of the site. Let me know how you guys fair. I know most people are going to give up but I'll figure out a way we can enjoy the KIN Two to the fullest.
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I think it's the playback format provided by the site that's causing the most hangups. I'm looking into making a site that would essentially provide stream links to the MP4 480-720p formats that are provided by Youtube but not streamed to this device by default. The format should work and it's going to be based on ps3youtube.com which is somewhat similar (sort of). For now I'm going to check and see about m.collegehumor.com. Check and try the regular collegehumor.com and see if it automatically switches to the mobile interface version of the site. Let me know how you guys fair. I know most people are going to give up but I'll figure out a way we can enjoy the KIN Two to the fullest.
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m.collegehumor.com is the mobile version of the site..
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m.collegehumor.com is the mobile version of the site..
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Yup but I've noticed that if you go straight to http://collegehumor.com then it correctly picks up the device as a mobile and works just fine.
The device exports mobile description through IE data.
So in short, you can get the OS info from the javascript code.
Read only, and very briefly, all being said.
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Yup but I've noticed that if you go straight to http://collegehumor.com then it correctly picks up the device as a mobile and works just fine.
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Nope. Sends me to m.collegehumor.com and videos don't play properly.
I have managed to send web pages etc easily enough but when I have a photo on the screen from the gallery and place the phones together I get the connection sound and the vibration but no function to beam the file?
Do I have to use a separate app? would have thought the gallery would have this option built in?
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I have managed to send web pages etc easily enough but when I have a photo on the screen from the gallery and place the phones together I get the connection sound and the vibration but no function to beam the file?
Do I have to use a separate app? would have thought the gallery would have this option built in?
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If this function doesn't work, that would indeed seem very strange. Surely picture sharing in this way would be one of the highest case use scenarios?
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I have managed to send web pages etc easily enough but when I have a photo on the screen from the gallery and place the phones together I get the connection sound and the vibration but no function to beam the file?
Do I have to use a separate app? would have thought the gallery would have this option built in?
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I get exactly the same
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If this function doesn't work, that would indeed seem very strange. Surely picture sharing in this way would be one of the highest case use scenarios?
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That's my thoughts too. I would certainly share pictures more often than web pages?!
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I get exactly the same
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Good to see it's not just me - or rather not good as this indicates the feature is lacking?!
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Good to see it's not just me - or rather not good as this indicates the feature is lacking?!
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looks like it!
I was able to NFC an app I had my cousin didn't, and it went to the correct market place location.
But the photos didn't work! Dissapointing
I thought that for things like URLs, which would apply to websites and applications (since an application can be linked via it's market URI) that just using the NFC tag capability would suffice.
But for something like sharing pictures, I would've thought that using Android Beam would be almost like a quick and easy Bluetooth pairing...using NFC to handle the pairing and authentication, and then handing off the actual file transfer to Bluetooth.
Hopefully Android Beam will be improved upon, because sharing pictures was the immediate function I thought of when I saw the tech being demoed.
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looks like it!
I was able to NFC an app I had my cousin didn't, and it went to the correct market place location.
But the photos didn't work! Dissapointing
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The only thing I can think of is limitation in file size. Sending a web link, a YouTube link or a Market link would be very minimal amount of data to transfer. Even sending a contact, as I have seen done, would be minimal.
I suppose to send a Picture you would have to hold the phones together for quite a while, seen as they have to be practically touching back to back, could be awkward.
Although I don't know data transfer speeds of NFC
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I thought that for things like URLs, which would apply to websites and applications (since an application can be linked via it's market URI) that just using the NFC tag capability would suffice.
But for something like sharing pictures, I would've thought that using Android Beam would be almost like a quick and easy Bluetooth pairing...using NFC to handle the pairing and authentication, and then handing off the actual file transfer to Bluetooth.
Hopefully Android Beam will be improved upon, because sharing pictures was the immediate function I thought of when I saw the tech being demoed.
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Well fingers crossed to see it in future updates.
Android Beam works via NFC. The maximum data transfer rate of NFC is only 424 kbit/s, that's to slow to quickly "beam" a picture.
A 1 MB picture would take about 30+ sec to transfer (with more realistic transfer rates). A 30 sec "Beam" might not be what they intended, when they brought the "touch to share" Beam feature.
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The only thing I can think of is limitation in file size. Sending a web link, a YouTube link or a Market link would be very minimal amount of data to transfer. Even sending a contact, as I have seen done, would be minimal.
I suppose to send a Picture you would have to hold the phones together for quite a while, seen as they have to be practically touching back to back, could be awkward.
Although I don't know data transfer speeds of NFC
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This. I don't think Android beam can send anywhere near enough data to transfer a photo.
The most likely scenario would be as oscillik suggested - an easy NFC based bluetooth pairing followed by the transfer taking place over BT.
I don't think NFC can send that much data quickly (to transfer a picture). It's basically designed to transfer small strings of data since the transfer speed is pretty low. Disappointing, yeah, but that's just how it works.
EDIT: Beaten to it. Shouldn't have started typing up a post and left my phone for 10 minutes then come back to submit.
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Ah well, looks like I will have to wait for Google Wallet to make an appearance over here (and for retailers to implement it) before I have any real use for NFC in the phone.
Unless one of the Devs finds a way of linking it to Bluetooth
Thanks for the replies.
Have you tried turning on Bluetooth or WiFi Direct to see if it can figure it out that way?
FISKER_Q said:
Have you tried turning on Bluetooth or WiFi Direct to see if it can figure it out that way?
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Just tried it with mine and a colleagues Galaxy Nexus with both Bluetooth and WiFi Direct turned on both and both devices sent to visible but still the same result - nothing.
Worth a shot though
1 word. "WiFi File Explorer"
You need to understand what's going on there. Phone only beams the web page's address, and the receiving phone loads the page from scratch. The same goes to youtube videos. Sending a picture is not so easy, because the NFC is not designed for such kind of thing(it is supposed to be using little battery,not being fast). Use bluetooth for sending pictures. Right tool for the right task.
gambiting said:
You need to understand what's going on there. Phone only beams the web page's address, and the receiving phone loads the page from scratch. The same goes to youtube videos. Sending a picture is not so easy, because the NFC is not designed for such kind of thing(it is supposed to be using little battery,not being fast). Use bluetooth for sending pictures. Right tool for the right task.
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Yes, but there's no reason why Android Beam cannot be used to initiate and simplify the Bluetooth pairing process and act as a rather user friendly 'ad-hoc' way to send pictures.
I really think Google missed a step here...
Out of interest, how would I go about using the Wi-Fi direct feature?
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dave83uk said:
Out of interest, how would I go about using the Wi-Fi direct feature?
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Same..would like to know