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Remove google account?

Ok so I have 2 google accounts on the phone. I don't use the first anymore, so is there any way to remove this? I keep getting the "some applications use this and it cannot be removed (factory reset to remove)" which i really dont want to do!
Anyone figured out a work around?

AlexEv said:
Ok so I have 2 google accounts on the phone. I don't use the first anymore, so is there any way to remove this? I keep getting the "some applications use this and it cannot be removed (factory reset to remove)" which i really dont want to do!
Anyone figured out a work around?
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As far as i know you have to do a factory restore, this is the only way to delete the account you have on your phone now.
So make sure you put in the account you will use all the time, other wise you will have to reset again....
hope this helps......

that sucks...its crazy they havn't imagined people may change accounts!

yes, I agree, but don't get me started, because this is just the the tip of the iceberg!
The email client doesn't work properly!
The native video player is pathetic!
The audio volume/quality through the speaker is a joke!
The headphone volume is hopelessly retarded!
The customer service from HTC is beyond contempt!
What on earth were those Google retards thinking......that we wouldn't notice that all of these things work properly on the iPhone!!!
Well I for one have had enough, I intend to sell this SPASTIC piece of garbage and and wait for the new Iphone!!!
And all you HTC fanboys out there, don't even bother to comment, because I really wanted this device to work, I really did......BUT IT JUST DOESN'T!!! Far too many bugs, and no possible hope of support from HTC. They only support the newest devices, and as they bring out a new device almost every month, what possible hope have we got for regular updates? Shall I tell you.........ABSOLUTELY NONE!!!
The only critique I have of the current Iphone, is the screen, but otherwise, it works straight out of the box, and I believe that they will fix this on the new model. So shame on you HTC for not listening to your customers, if you treat us with contempt, we will go elsewhere!!!

Can't comment on headphone volume as I don't use it as a media player - it's a phone - but speaker volume seems fine to me. Again, I don't use it often so can't really comment.
Only use Google Mail client which works fine, never bothered using the other client as I've got my laptop for that
Other than that I can't fault the Desire - it's owns the iPhone in every department bar music and there's no other phone I'd rather have. And I'm not an HTC fanboy - I'm an Android fanboy!!

pergolesi said:
yes, I agree, but don't get me started, because this is just the the tip of the iceberg!
The email client doesn't work properly!
The native video player is pathetic!
The audio volume/quality through the speaker is a joke!
The headphone volume is hopelessly retarded!
The customer service from HTC is beyond contempt!
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Email works great for me, no issues at all, better than most platforms so far.
Video mplayer is fine. I use Act1 player anyway but full movies encoded from a BR look fantastic. Yeah no Divx, but it sucks and i have no Divx anyway so dont care.
Headphone quality and volume is fine. It meets the legal maximum volume in the EU for headphones, just like all devices have to.
Speaker quality isnt the best ever no, but but again does anyone actually use that for music? Really?? Its fine for voice.
HTC were great when i needed my HD2 repaired. Fast friendly and did a great job.

Skype now available

Official version of skype is now available for download on the market, can be used over wifi & 3g.

Tried this
Still think it needs a bit of work.
I got some sync issues and a couple of force closes.
ate about 6mb of system Ram even using a2sd.
works ok when it works though, only option for skype so far since the fring / skype issue

Just installed this, works properly on stock rom. Big disappointment is the amount of space it takes, 14MB and no way to move it unless you go A2SD.
The app looks polished and has decent sound quality. Another disappointment is that it want to be always on, no way to exit it. Except for signing out, requiring me to enter my password each time.
Audio delay seems to be substantial as well, with calls over the local WIFI network getting noticeably delayed. Cannot comment on CPU and battery usage.
Let's hope skype does the necessary fine tuning and turns their luck around, since I'm sorely tempted to uninstall it already. (Don't really miss it much come to think of it.)

Skype sucks. Does not let me sign in. It feel likes it doesn't even try. Or it will FC. Size is also big disappointment. Why they didn't implement it with a2sd I don't know. Lot of people doesn't support a2sd within their apps.
This size issue with desire is a disappointment too.
Soon I have to root just to get apps installed. I don't think I should have to root just to get apps...
Anyways in this case it doesn't matter because Skype doesn't work anyway.
R
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

Works Great for Me, Sense Rom NON Stock. Takes a few tries to login, but all good.
Just mkae it autokill if you dont want it to run in background.

Try using Nimbuzz, is an excellent piece of work, I find it better than fring and supports Skype
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I have tried Nimbuzz. It's ok, but skype does not work most of the time. Another thing that annoyed me with Nimbuzz is that the proximity sensor did not work...
I have the new Skype and I find it GREAT, apart from the issues mentioned everywhere (no exit button, large memory consumption...)

For people who are struggling to log in (login seems to fail immediately without enough time to send the auth to Skype):
I had the same problem. It turned out that after installation the app wanted to grab even more memory for data. The ROM seems to stop it claiming any more if it's going to drop below 10% free. Once I had freed more memory, it worked just fine. But I uninstalled it. The total size was about 14.8mb, almost 10% of the free space on a stock Desire ROM. Stupid.

Hi all,
can somebody provide the apk file?
thanks,

Pls specify which of the Skype, is it the one for Android or Skype beta I found in Android market or just skype.
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My 1st Impressions of NoDo

It is in general alot smother, and I have not had it crash once!
The Marketplace is much better, no crashing, its always slick, doesnt hang while loading more apps in the list, and the new way of searching is much better.
(However I cannot find a few apps, I assume they have been removed from the marketplace, for example MusicShark?)
Copy and Paste works quite well, took me a few tries to realise the paste section is where the text correction area is.
Faults I have noted so far are...
1. Not sure if it is just me because I have only tried once so far, but after pairing with my car headunit. My car headunit no longer detects the HD7 as a bluetooth audio streaming device, and only as a handsfree device. Which is very annoying.
2.When pressing search in internet explorer, it no longer loads a web page, but loads the bing application.
Overall, it makes the phone even nicer to use, it just feels that bit more responsive, and it way more stable!
Has anyone else used NoDo, who can confirm the above faults?
I am running it on an O2 UK HD7 with 32gb.
UPDATE: after 1 days usage
Im finding reception better, battery seems to be a bit better too. Still not had one thing crash on me.
Bluetooth audio streaming does work, however its still low quality like it was in 7004/7008, so I cant wait to unlock it again so I can change the registry entry.
Audio streaming still does not work for playing videos.
Push notification seem to work fine all the time now too, I had problems initially getting them to work on some applications (they would work after trying a few times/restarting) but now they just work.
I havent had chance to check for hidden wireless networks yet, the WiFi menu seems identical though (There is nothing to manually type in any settings.)
Overall, it feels now like how I would have expected the phone to feel when I first got it. Everything it does, it does it really well, and it is a pleasure to use.

loomx said:
2.When pressing search in internet explorer, it no longer loads a web page, but loads the bing application.
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That's how it's supposed to be.
I can remember a branded T-Mobile ROM where you've been redirected to a stupid search website after pressing the search-button but the standard action is opening BING.

We have three devices in this house hold, a HD7, 7 Mozart and a HD2 with Windows Phone 7, obiously the HD2 hasn't been released yet but the other two are much more reliable. I haven't had a single screen tearing on the HD7 since the update and both phones are much more responsive especially within internet explorer where I used to have numerous crashes.
Copy and paste works lovely although on occasion I have to tap a couple of times for it to pop up the option to copy.
Marketplace is more reliable and stable than the original RTM build and the search changes are greatly welcomed.
I haven't really noticed a change in speed loading application, although the only program I have ever had issues with is Bejewelled Live which takes quite a while to load even after the update.
All running nice and smoothly, just missing having Chevron WP7 to copy over my ringtones.

Just tried Bluetooth again, it works fine
I'm glad it shows the bing app instead of Yahoo search like it did before. Its just I expected it to load the bing web page
So all in all I find it perfect now, just need some sideloading back

You Guys receive the Official NoDo update or did you Flash the leak ROM. I'm Glad to hear that its a STABLE Update & Didn't cause any problem, otherwise this general form will be flooded w/ cry babies.

And what about connecting to hidden wifi networks and sound output while playing videos while using a bluetooth headset?

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And what about connecting to hidden wifi networks and sound output while playing videos while using a bluetooth headset?
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Good call - and not just watching video through the headset but using the headset's button to initiate Voice Commands and the headset's microphone to talk the command into.

Just posted a quick update.
I am using the non-goldcard flashed method of getting NoDo, it was nice and easy to do

loomx said:
Audio streaming still does not work for playing videos.
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After almost half year and MS still can't get this obvious bug to fix. The next update (Mango) will take another half year, and MS is totally silenced when it will get resolve (and who knows if that would be delay too base on MS's current pace). I am totally sick of it and finally have to leave the MS mobile camp after 10+ yrs relationship with MS (my 1st PPC device is iPaq 2210 and my last would be Samsung Focus).

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I have to say one thing, some apps really do load faster!! Max and the magic marker used to take an age to load. Now it seems to load in less than half the time.
I wonder if the delays to the update were due to manufactures including bug fixs for specific phones, which means following updates shouldn't be delayed

Is scrolling in 3rd-party apps better (i.e. not lagging like it is now)?

Not really, I feel like it might have improved slightly... but that might just be because I want it to feel faster lol

i also had some first Impressions of my new nodo
new voice command sound, also understands me very good now.
new htc theme color (nice green)
mozart camera has autofous now (kinda annoying does anyone else have sound feedback, like clicky sound?)
but it does great pictures now, 2 shoots, both perfect, maybe it was luck but it seems it working way better now..
autofocus in video has improoved alot, also recording quallity has greatly improoved in low light and its more stable it seems! yay!
office version 14.0
sharepoint workspace mobile 14 , is that new?
overall its breezing fast, you press it, it opens. awesome!

jackleung said:
After almost half year and MS still can't get this obvious bug to fix. The next update (Mango) will take another half year, and MS is totally silenced when it will get resolve (and who knows if that would be delay too base on MS's current pace). I am totally sick of it and finally have to leave the MS mobile camp after 10+ yrs relationship with MS (my 1st PPC device is iPaq 2210 and my last would be Samsung Focus).
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Where were you when Apple and Apple fanboys were bashing MS non stop. Nowhere. And now all you do is complain.
You should have been more supportive of MS before. You should have help defend then and spread the word.

strandoe said:
Is scrolling in 3rd-party apps better (i.e. not lagging like it is now)?
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The reason some third party apps lag is because they're badly coded, so no OS update in the world will fix this.

WP7 smooth but slow?

I've been using all kind of apps in my WP7, and I noticed this:
Using 2G/Edge connection, all apps are extremely slow. And much more susceptible to force closes;
Comparing to Android and iPhones, both using the same Edge network, WP7 is much worse handling with this kind of connection then iPhone or Android is. I don't know if the problem is the App, or the whole system. But open the Facebook app for Android and open the Facebook app for WP7. It takes forever using edge. And the app is laggy. But this I think it's not really WP7 fault.
The same with Twitter. It takes about 3~4 the time the iPhone takes to refresh timeline. (Yes, I removed from background before open it in iPhone)
Using 3G or Wifi it gets a lot better, still, it is slower then other OSes.
And I'll not even mention the browser. No match for iOS, tough it is sexy as it is.
The problem is, every single app that I've compared between WP7 and Android or iOS, is a lot slower and laggy. I thought that WP7 was meant to be smooth.
Have anyone else noticed this issue?

To truly compare apps on one OS versus another, you need to have both phones on the same Wifi network, to eliminate carrier speed issues.
And preferably have the Nodo update as well, to be fair.

Yeah, you're wrong about the browser. I'm not sure what 'tests' you ran, but wp7's IE is like an F1 racing car. At least for me it is. Fastest thing I've ever seen on a device.
Also, wp7 is probably built to run on 3G, so using old tech like 2G/Edge is probly the reason. Unless that's complete bunk I dunno, I'm just guessing.
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But I'll agree with you on the 3rd party apps. They're all slow and choppy for some reason. Even something as official as The Weather Channel. Not sure why.

I ran the test in the same carrier, using 2G. One side of another.
Then I tested the browser using the same wifi.
The speed is quite close. But you can see the difference (I'M NOT SAYING IE IS SLOW!).
I don't have NoDo yet, dying for it, btw. But if anyone with NoDo can try it out, it would be great.
Just try using the same app with diferent devices (such as Android or iPhone) in the same wifi network.
Even if the time to load is close, the app is laggy; cannot deny.
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Yes, 2G is old tech. But the most part of the time I don't need 3G speed. But I need my battery to survive throughout the day.

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Yes, 2G is old tech. But the most part of the time I don't need 3G speed. But I need my battery to survive throughout the day.
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I have motweets and all locations services running right now on my phone and this has been the case for a while. I get through a full day no prob without charging.
I have a HD7 with the smallest battery and the biggest screen.
Battery problems are non-existent on WP7 IMO if even I can make it through the day. And I stay on 3G

Well, that is a problem to me. I go work at 07 a.m. and I just go back home at 11:30 p.m.
Using 3G all the time, when I get home my battery is crying out. With 2G I got about 25% more battery than I would using 3G.
And I turned the push to my e-mail off.

mikeeam said:
The speed is quite close. But you can see the difference (I'M NOT SAYING IE IS SLOW!)
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I respectfully disagree that it's slower, but just glad to see you didn't mean it's slow in general. Cause for some reason I've seen that said a couple times and it's just untrue.

mikeeam said:
Well, that is a problem to me. I go work at 07 a.m. and I just go back home at 11:30 p.m.
Using 3G all the time, when I get home my battery is crying out. With 2G I got about 25% more battery than I would using 3G.
And I turned the push to my e-mail off.
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I'm using an LG Quantum. Granted they're rated high on the battery scale, but I too can leave home at 8:45, and get home at 7, and then casually use it in the evening, with rarely needing to charge.

Well, that may depend on sites and everything. But it's not a problem at all.
The laggy apps; this is a problem.
Even with 3G, it's clearly slow. Just on 3rd party apps, of course.
Maybe they are not coding it right?

mikeeam said:
Well, that may depend on sites and everything. But it's not a problem at all.
The laggy apps; this is a problem.
Even with 3G, it's clearly slow. Just on 3rd party apps, of course.
Maybe they are not coding it right?
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That's what I heard, that the developers aren't coding it properly. Cause look at the native apps; smooth as silk.

sure haven't said:
That's what I heard, that the developers aren't coding it properly. Cause look at the native apps; smooth as silk.
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Apples to oranges. Or more accurately, C++ to Silverlight on the desktop. 3rd party apps will always be at a disadvantage due to the .NET framework. The size of that disadvantage depends on how well MS optimizes the runtime environment on WP7. So far they haven't done a great job.
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I did countless speed tests between my Samsung Focus and my fathers iPhone 4 before I returned my Focus. The Focus was much quicker at setting up calendar stuff and taking pictures, but I did find that the iPhone browser was a bit faster on most occasions. I'm interested in seeing how much faster it becomes with IE9 though.
Regarding battery life I found myself not making it through the day. I heard mixed reports about the Focus's battery life, but I didn't like it to much. I would play Bye Bye Brain for a little bit (15-25 minutes) and drop 15-20% in battery.

Erik, what do you think about 3rd party apps? Just want to know toughts about someone that is comparing iPhone 4 with WP7, like me.
Do you tested Facebook app?

i did some tests and 2g/edge is working quite well for me. I checked emails, opened news websites (like globo.com with lots of pictures) and tried with twitter app. No more than short seconds to load everything. Ill get an iphone4 tomorrow for testing and see the difference. My network provider is very unstable. Sometimes i make bandwidth tests on my wp7 and i get speeds as high as 800-1000kbps and sometimes only 150-250kbps.

mikeeam said:
Well, that is a problem to me. I go work at 07 a.m. and I just go back home at 11:30 p.m.
Using 3G all the time, when I get home my battery is crying out. With 2G I got about 25% more battery than I would using 3G.
And I turned the push to my e-mail off.
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You can't charge your phone at work for an hour???
I don't even try to use edge on usa t-mobile. It is painfully slow no matter the OS (android, wp7, winmo), usually about 50-60kbps. I have solved the 3g issue by using a mobile hotspot from time warner.

in your case seems like a network problem to me. Whats your phone mike?

mikeeam said:
Erik, what do you think about 3rd party apps? Just want to know toughts about someone that is comparing iPhone 4 with WP7, like me.
Do you tested Facebook app?
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Third party apps are much better on the iPhone, but thats also because the iPhone has had longer to mature. The Facebook app has much more support (Groups, chat, etc) and is very quick. I was always annoyed with the WP7 Facebook app (and other apps) because when you scrolled in the list it would have very strange scrolling (can't describe it, but you know what I mean). The iPhone Facebook app doesn't have this scrolling issue and since I can run it in the background it is just as quick/quicker than WP7 and the People hub. These same observations can be applied to almost any app shared between the two phones. WP7 feels really, really smooth in all the default applications, but for third party stuff it's just not the same.
Also, I never did any speed tests between the phones over 3G/Edge because I'm on a tiered plan and didn't feel like using it up for tests.

bnlf said:
in your case seems like a network problem to me. Whats your phone mike?
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Trophy 7. Also, my carrier is Vivo (not TIM anymore). And my phone takes forever just to refresh Facebook app (if it don't show up a message saying to check my connection).

ErikWithNoC said:
Third party apps are much better on the iPhone, but thats also because the iPhone has had longer to mature. The Facebook app has much more support (Groups, chat, etc) and is very quick. I was always annoyed with the WP7 Facebook app (and other apps) because when you scrolled in the list it would have very strange scrolling (can't describe it, but you know what I mean). The iPhone Facebook app doesn't have this scrolling issue and since I can run it in the background it is just as quick/quicker than WP7 and the People hub. These same observations can be applied to almost any app shared between the two phones. WP7 feels really, really smooth in all the default applications, but for third party stuff it's just not the same.
Also, I never did any speed tests between the phones over 3G/Edge because I'm on a tiered plan and didn't feel like using it up for tests.
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I just looked into the app I am programming currently (and I will present here as soon as I reached this 10-Post-Thread-Limit).
At first I thought everything runs smoothly but the longer I use my app the unsmoother it gets. I looked in the code but couldnt find anything that could cause this slowness (like expanding memory-need) and even added manual GarbageCollection that will delete unused space from memory but it didnt improve the slowness. Seems like theres a bug in the Silverlight/.Net-Framework.
Sincerly,
DeathLamp

DeathLamp said:
I just looked into the app I am programming currently (and I will present here as soon as I reached this 10-Post-Thread-Limit).
At first I thought everything runs smoothly but the longer I use my app the unsmoother it gets. I looked in the code but couldnt find anything that could cause this slowness (like expanding memory-need) and even added manual GarbageCollection that will delete unused space from memory but it didnt improve the slowness. Seems like theres a bug in the Silverlight/.Net-Framework.
Sincerly,
DeathLamp
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You're a genious!
But that sounds bad. I would prefer to hear that developers were coding it wrong. Hope Microsoft fix this soon. Seriously, I love the OS, but these little things are pissing me off.

Is anyone juggling both Android and WP7?

I'm asking since I'm gonna be picking up a Dell Venue Pro (again) I been using Android for a while and I enjoy it. The thing I love the most is the integration with gmail and calendars. Being able to open my calendar on my Macbook and for it to automatically update my calendar on my Droid Pro is convenient. From what I remember, WP7 should sync up the calendar with your gmail account but I'm wondering if theres anyone out there that is able to balance using both phones? For example, I want to be able to write down notes on one phone and for somehow that carry over to my Dell Venue Pro. There was a program called AK Notepad for Android and whatever notes I'd write down on my Droid Pro, I'd be able to access on my Nexus One.

I still carry around my Nexus One without SIM...just because Android allows me to do many things I still cannot with my Optimus 7... so for now, at least until Mango update, I will be carrying two phones.

I have several android devices to play with but still carry my surround as my every day phone. I like both. As to having full cloud based sharing on multiple platforms? I don't think they play that nice quite yet

MO3iusONE said:
For example, I want to be able to write down notes on one phone and for somehow that carry over to my Dell Venue Pro. There was a program called AK Notepad for Android and whatever notes I'd write down on my Droid Pro, I'd be able to access on my Nexus One.
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Apparently Evernote (http://www.evernote.com/) is almost ready for Windows Phone 7, which should allow you to create/access notes on pretty much every platform out there.

Try using cloud based apps. It's pretty easy between iPhone and Android, or Android and Android.
It's not that easy with WP7 because we don't have too many apps right now. Looking forward to it!

Juggling between a samsung focus and hopefully in a few hours a galaxy s2. Until mango, the galaxy s2 will be my main phone tho

I have both.
Actually the fact that many users use both speaks for itself....
Anyway I have both of them and ditched WP7 because carrying two devices to do the same thing is kinda nonsense.
There's nothing WP7 does Android can't do
However there are tons of things Android does while WP7 just can't.
WP7 may be very appealing in some scenarios.

Just write your notes in the gmail calendar and sync it on both devices, that's what I do, works like a charm.
/J

jontatas said:
Just write your notes in the gmail calendar and sync it on both devices, that's what I do, works like a charm.
/J
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That's actually so simple.
Plus on Android you can send to calendar notes from Note Everything

I also have my wildfire without sim and my htc trophy. I don't now if i will keep the trophy. I am giving it some time to convince me. I am carrying 2 phones for now. One of the most annoying things in windows phone 7 is that the wifi sleeps when the screen is off, so nothing that syncs (gmail, gtalk, calendar, etc)...syncs! Microsoft says its "by design", well i don't like it. Maybe after the Mango update.

aposva said:
One of the most annoying things in windows phone 7 is that the wifi sleeps when the screen is off, so nothing that syncs (gmail, gtalk, calendar, etc)...syncs! Microsoft says its "by design", well i don't like it. Maybe after the Mango update.
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I'm not a big wifi user but the same thing happens with bluetooth and it's so disgustingly annoying!! I will be streaming music to my car radio using bluetooth and when a song ends while the screen is off, the phone will automatically disconnect the bluetooth connection and I have to go back to settings and reconnect it and why is bluetooth always searching and discoverable??? What, they couldn't add another slider to switch discovery mode on and off so I don't have to see 50 headsets on my list??
I'm not a power user so i don't need all the fancy stuff Android can do. WP7 is great for me as I mainly use exchange and office, but it's the stupid little details that get you frustrated!

PG2G said:
Apparently Evernote (http://www.evernote.com/) is almost ready for Windows Phone 7, which should allow you to create/access notes on pretty much every platform out there.
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OneNote Exists for WP7 and you can view it in a browser. EverNote has too many restrictions for how much data you can transfer, and it requires yet another account creation (ugh!).
Android phones usually come with a memo app (my Vibrant has it), and they typically allow you to send notes via SMS/MMS, Email, etc.

I carry both an HD7 and a Vibrant with Active SIMs in them everywhere. I put my Unlimited Data SIM in my HD7 when I got it because of Zune Pass, but I'm about to switch it back to my Vibrant.
Audio Quality on the Vibrant is 200% better than on the HD7. You basically need headsets with the HD7. The Vibrant's sound can fill a decent sized room. Call and Speaker Phone quality ... the comparison is the same. Vibrant is wildly superior. It's like comparing a surround sound system to a pocket radio...
The HD7 is useless as a phone comapred to the Vibrant. The signal is consistently 2 bars lower and call quality is more volatile. I feel like I'm in the middle of New York on an AT&T iPhone 4 when I'm on the HD7. The Vibrant performs flawlessly.
The HD7 is only useful as a PMP IF you have a decent pair of headsets or a BT Jabra device with FM transmitter in your car (like I do).
The terrible speaker and cell radio in this thing is already enough to relegate it to backup status, but there is the issue of Apps and Services integration.
Android has better apps. After heavy use of both phones. The Android versions perform better and are more stable as well. Twitter for WP7 (even Birdsong) and Twitter for Android... the Android version runs circles around it. Same for Facebook. LinkedIn doesn't exist for WP7.
No decent IM Applications. Half-baked MMS. Can't send Videos off the device via MMS or Email.
A phone can be made better (maybe the DVP has better speakers than the HD7, and a better radio with better data speeds and call quality), but the OS is half-baked and puts way too many limitations on what you, or any app can do. This means there is a definite roadblock IRT functionality that anyone can hit on WP7 that isn't possible on some other platforms.
In addition to that, there are a ton of applications that are missing from the market, and those that are coming (that matter) won't be here for another 6 months or so.
If I was "upgrading" from a dumb/feature phone it probably wouldn't be an issue. But coming from WM/Android/WebOS and having used iPhones more than enough... It's unacceptable as a daily driver.
It has all the detriments of an AT&T iPhone in New York (poor reception/call quality/wildly flunctuating signal strength that never goes above 3 bars even standing under a 3G tower) with none of the benefits (High Quality Apps, Services Integration, Top Apps). In addition to that, the Audio Quality makes it hit and miss even as a ZuneHD replacement, and the Codec Support is just not cute compared to something like a Galaxy S device. There is no DLNA capability, either. Battery Life is not better than an iOS/Android device, so that's not an advantage.
Disclaimer: Some of these issues (in particular the reception/call quality problems) may be an issue with the phone and not the OS itself - but T-Mobile only sells one WP7 device in carrier stores so take that for what it's worth. One other person I know has an HD7 and when I asked him how he likes it he responded (I'm quoting him word for work...) "The call quality is ****, but it's okay I guess." So I'm pretty sure it's not due to having a lemon device

crav4speed said:
I'm not a big wifi user but the same thing happens with bluetooth and it's so disgustingly annoying!! I will be streaming music to my car radio using bluetooth and when a song ends while the screen is off, the phone will automatically disconnect the bluetooth connection and I have to go back to settings and reconnect it and why is bluetooth always searching and discoverable??? What, they couldn't add another slider to switch discovery mode on and off so I don't have to see 50 headsets on my list??
I'm not a power user so i don't need all the fancy stuff Android can do. WP7 is great for me as I mainly use exchange and office, but it's the stupid little details that get you frustrated!
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I don't use BT much but I understand the frustration, however the entire platform has been launched under the premise that it's not static or even completed as far as I understand. And given the track record of how MS usually deliver products (a main product and then many "hotfixes" and service packs) I expect most of these small things will be fixed in time.
Still annoying that they manage to miss such apparent things.
/J

aposva said:
I also have my wildfire without sim and my htc trophy. I don't now if i will keep the trophy. I am giving it some time to convince me. I am carrying 2 phones for now. One of the most annoying things in windows phone 7 is that the wifi sleeps when the screen is off, so nothing that syncs (gmail, gtalk, calendar, etc)...syncs! Microsoft says its "by design", well i don't like it. Maybe after the Mango update.
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Android does this as well, that's why some applications (like Trillian for Andorid) have a setting to keep WiFi on when the phone sleeps.
I actually prefer it that way. If the phone is charging the WiFi stays on, however. They do it to conserve battery life, and that was a good decision...

N8ter said:
Android does this as well, that's why some applications (like Trillian for Andorid) have a setting to keep WiFi on when the phone sleeps.
I actually prefer it that way. If the phone is charging the WiFi stays on, however. They do it to conserve battery life, and that was a good decision...
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Click Wi-Fi Settings, Menu button and go to advanced, change your policy to never sleep, hit menu again and save.

I know that. I was pointing out the default behavior, though

N8ter said:
I know that. I was pointing out the default behavior, though
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Well atleast the option is there unlike in Microfot's product.
BTW, in the areas where you might have a weak cellular data signal havung your phone connected to a Wi-Fi access point is morr power efficient netting better battery life.

Kind of surprised at the number of people with dual phones. I have a Surround and an Inspire 4G. Before I upgraded to Gingerbread, the Inspire 4G was just so damned choppy, I couldn't really use it for long before I was ready to throw it. Now, it is my primary phone. My Surround has so-so build quality and much more limited functionality. I certainly wish for turn-by-turn directions via Bing maps. NoDo has made it much more fun to use as a communication tool with C&P, and it's smooth as can be. If my work would get the Exchange server up and running instead of using a third party host, I could see it being my primary phone. Until then, its all Android.

lqaddict said:
Well atleast the option is there unlike in Microfot's product.
BTW, in the areas where you might have a weak cellular data signal havung your phone connected to a Wi-Fi access point is morr power efficient netting better battery life.
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with an HD7 that would be everywhere, becuase the radio is so terrible it can never go above 3 bars even if I'm standing under an HSPA+ radio. My Vibrant's radio is 100% better.
I cannot use the HD7 as a phone, it's just too terrible. I only use it to play music these days and after I ETF one of these lines in a month or two I'll probably think hard about getting rid of it - probably just enough to cover the ETF fee, of a bit less than that...