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Tilt2 Browsers Slow and Unresponsive

Both browsers on my Tilt2 (IE and Opera) seem to have some serious problems where the screen is at times unresponsive or extremely slow. This seems to happen in 3G and Wifi.
Actually, I saw these types of problems in a review at: http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/htc-tilt-2/10602.html which said: "Nowhere did the HTC Tilt 2 give us more trouble than in the browsers. Both the standard Internet Explorer browser and the Opera Mobile browser gave us serious trouble, with an unresponsive screen that always took numerous taps to register a click on a Web link. It was a very strange issue, as finger scrolling was much more responsive. But when we wanted to click on a link, or when we wanted to tap the address bar to change our URL, the phone would require multiple taps, which was a seriously annoying issue."
Have others experienced this? Is the phone a complete lemon? Is anyone aware of a what could be wrong and/or a fix?

Experiencing the exact same thing.

At stock, don't expect the TP2 to run flawlessly, and this device is certainly not a lemon. Flashing a custom rom to this device improves its usability, and even functionality in some areas, But of course, it depends on the rom that is installed. It would help to scour these forums as there are numerous fixes and enhancements for the WM platform that'll make you enjoy it

I am not expecting it to run flawlessly. I assume, as you are with T Mobile, that you do not have the Tilt2. My experience with the Tilt2 is that both browsers are just non-functional given the complete lack of responsiveness. I understand that there are many things that can be done to it, but it seems like it should simply not be operating like this out of the gate. I would be pleased to do what I can to increase performance, but purchasing a new product that is not functional with the goal of enhancing performance should not be acceptable. Please understand, that out of the box when I click on a link many times it simply does not work and when it does, it often takes minutes to connect (in some cases worse than a throw back to dial-up connection speeds). If this is what Windows Mobile has come to, as a consumer device it really will continue to become obsolete with a very small user base. I am hopeful that it is not WinMo as I have had Pocket PCs since they came out and hope to remain faithfull.
That said, I have done a considerable amount of searching in the forum. If there is something you would recommend for this specific browser issue, I would very much appreciate the reference. Thanks.

While I wouldn't say that Opera is "unusable", it's definitely slow. I've read on the forums that Opera Mobile 9.7, which is currently in beta, seems to be significantly faster. Though, it lacks Flash if you care about that sort of thing.
I haven't tried it yet but it seems like a worthwhile shot.

e_dogg said:
While I wouldn't say that Opera is "unusable", it's definitely slow. I've read on the forums that Opera Mobile 9.7, which is currently in beta, seems to be significantly faster. Though, it lacks Flash if you care about that sort of thing.
I haven't tried it yet but it seems like a worthwhile shot.
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Do any of guys use skyfire(this by far the best option), also check the proxy setup, Third just heads up, when I was selecting diferent option packages from ATT they initially screwed up my data connect and I was getting block out of there proxy, once this was corrected all is well but Skyfire is still the best released product.

Skyfire works, but its not very clear unless you zoom in. I have Opera beta but you can't use the zoom slider and its only marginally better.
Iris (God rest its soul) is okay but its not fast either. I wonders why none of them are cutting the mustard.

ktdan1 said:
Do any of guys use skyfire(this by far the best option), also check the proxy setup, Third just heads up, when I was selecting diferent option packages from ATT they initially screwed up my data connect and I was getting block out of there proxy, once this was corrected all is well but Skyfire is still the best released product.
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I prefer not to use Skyfire because it's completely insecure. I went to my fantasy football website and found some other user's session logged in. Had I wanted to be a jerk, I could have dropped all of his good players and replaced them with players from the Detroit Lions.
Seriously, though...if you use Skyfire be very careful what sites you visit as all of the data is rendered remotely and will be seen by others.

CAVEAT before I begin: I had pretty good connection with Opera (on 3G) out of the box.
As others have said on this thread, first thing is to disable the AT&T proxy (Start\Tools\Proxy Manager\Disable Proxy -- then soft reset), unless you want to use AT&T's Media Mall and other bloatware that requires an Internet connection.
In Opera the proxy still sticks unless you manually edit the opera.ini file. See this post here for instructions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4771442#post4771442
I had to do this, or Opera would not connect at all under Wi-Fi. Speed also seems to be improved.
It sounds, though, that you're speaking more about screen sensitivity. It seems that you have to zoom in more (than on a Fuze, at least) to get a link to actually respond when touched. This may sound simplistic, but note that when the Tilt2 boots up for the first time (or after hard reset), it does not run through the screen-alignment process as the fuze and other phones do. Go to Start\Settings\System\Screen and do the alignment -- it helped a bit on my phone. And every little bit counts...

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I've very disappointed with the AT&T Tilt 2. I've tried several ROMs but the MS IE is slow in all of them. In some of them the Opera gets download speeds of over 1000 kbps. However, the MS IE is usually down around 300 kbps.
This is unacceptable. I used the same sim in my original AT&T Tilt 1 and I get 1200 kbps. What gives??

zylix said:
My experience with the Tilt2 is that both browsers are just non-functional given the complete lack of responsiveness.
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That's been my experience, too. Even with an excellent 3G connection (a megabit usually, or close to it, and sometimes better than that), and with the AT&T proxy disabled, both Opera and IE are utterly unusable on my Tilt 2 with WM 6.5.
And I can't blame Touch-flo. I don't even use it.
As a result, I run Skyfire as my default browser unless I'm in a place where I can't get a strong 3G signal. Then I switch to Opera Mini. Both are fast enough to keep me very happy.
I've wasted too much time trying to get Opera to do anything other than annoy me. Try some cooked ROMs, or switch. Otherwise, you're wasting your time.

i agree
I dont even bother to tap the links anymore, i navigate through them using the arrow keys and then press enter. I find them completely unresponsive to taps.

concur that the browsers suck
Too bad that there isn't a safari port....

e_dogg said:
While I wouldn't say that Opera is "unusable", it's definitely slow. I've read on the forums that Opera Mobile 9.7, which is currently in beta, seems to be significantly faster. Though, it lacks Flash if you care about that sort of thing.
just bought mine yesterday and it is un-usable taking 20-30 min. to access and sign into my ebay account is pretty much un-usable. My 8925 wasn't the fastest but I coud access the web w/o taking 2-5 min per page. I took my iphone back thinking this would be atleast as good as or better than my 8925,boy was i wrong.And now they tell me I only get one return(iphone) so I am stuck with this beautiful p.o.s.
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i also experience problem with it. My experience seem to be that if I have both IE and opera running together, it will cause the unit not responsive. So far, I kind of stuck with IE as it seem to work better than opear.

Try the Opera 10 Beta, it is masses better than Opera 9 as far as interface experience and speed. never liked IE mobile and skyfire has potential but still feels unfinished.
Opera 10 has a really nice tabbed browsing system and is finger friendly. haven't seen any responsiveness issues. The other thing to consider is what else you are running in background, is Opera 9 still running in background? it could be slowing everything else down.
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am i asking to much for better performance:)

i have a TP2 on TMo and i am just not seeing why things have to be so difficult to take care of basic stuff. i have had my TP2 for a few 3 weeks and am not liking how the wifi, touch sensitivity, and browser function. I got my hands on a iphone 3gs 32gb and used it for the last week. There are HUGE differences between the phone and am amazed that there is. I was using their "safari" brower here on my wifi home network and it was flying and screens formed fast for being a hand held device. I switch back to the TP2 and it was about a third of the speed. WHY!!!! I have skyfire and opera on the phone and they both acted the same way. what is so annoying is when you go to scroll a page it has no clue how to remember how the page looks and does the little grey and white checker board.
I don't understand why the touch is sooooo much better on the iphone than the TP2. i could actually type somewhat normal better on the iphone than on the TP2. it reads the touch great and with very few errors. when i go to the contacts i can flick up or down and it actually scrolls. i do the same action on the TP2 and most of the time it dials the number at where i tried to flick the list.
why are they such differences in performance and how to i correct these differences.
i have the energy rom ...latest one

There's no way to "correct" the differences.
What you are experiencing regarding the touch sensitivity is a capacitive screen versus a resistive screen. If you understand how a resistive screen works, and adjust accordingly, then scrolling is just as smooth. Just apply a bit of pressure.
Safari browser is indeed fast. But Opera is not too shabby. Consider this. Opera does real-time text reflow. I'm almost positive that this is one of the factors that hinders the performance. However, I'd still rather have real-time text reflow. It's better than on the Safari where you have to pan horizontally and vertically if you zoom in to the text.
If you understand the differences and you still can't live with them, then this device is probably not for you. Better return/exchange it while you can.

i didnt know there were dif kinds of screens.. how do you adjust them in the manner you state

With resistive touch like on the TP2 you have to apply a little bit of pressure. I have a friend who just got the iPhone 3GS and I don't see/feel much difference between he's capacitive screen and my resistive screen. It's all about feeling and technique, seriously.
Here's a little read about resitsive and capacitive from Wikipedia:
Resistive
A resistive touchscreen panel is composed of several layers, the most important of which are two thin, metallic, electrically conductive layers separated by a narrow gap. When an object, such as a finger, presses down on a point on the panel's outer surface the two metallic layers become connected at that point: the panel then behaves as a pair of voltage dividers with connected outputs. This causes a change in the electrical current which is registered as a touch event and sent to the controller for processing.
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Capacitive
A capacitive touchscreen panel consists of an insulator such as glass, coated with a transparent conductor such as indium tin oxide (ITO).[2][3] As the human body is also a conductor, touching the surface of the screen results in a distortion of the local electrostatic field, measurable as a change in capacitance. Different technologies may be used to determine the location of the touch. The location can be passed to a computer running a software application which will calculate how the user's touch relates to the computer software.
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It should give you a good idea of how the two types of screens work and why you have to use different methods in order to get most out of resistive screens.

I have to agree, the iPhone's touch screen is flawless in operation.
Just my 2 cents .......

69Pwned said:
I have to agree, the iPhone's touch screen is flawless in operation.
Just my 2 cents .......
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it was so sweet playing with one for the week. now i understand the difference and it will run the phone accordingly.
is there a way to make the keypad for the dialer full screen so typing numbers will be easier and faster?
how do i move icons around to different pages. i hate i cannot just hit one button to get to the dialer. i have to do 3 steps to get to the dialer and it is stupid since this is a PHONE to make calls.

69Pwned said:
I have to agree, the iPhone's touch screen is flawless in operation.
Just my 2 cents .......
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it was so sweet playing with one for the week. now i understand the difference and it will run the phone accordingly.
is there a way to make the keypad for the dialer full screen so typing numbers will be easier and faster?
how do i move icons around to different pages. i hate i cannot just hit one button to get to the dialer. i have to do 3 steps to get to the dialer and it is stupid since this is a PHONE to make calls.

calimove said:
it was so sweet playing with one for the week. now i understand the difference and it will run the phone accordingly.
is there a way to make the keypad for the dialer full screen so typing numbers will be easier and faster?
how do i move icons around to different pages. i hate i cannot just hit one button to get to the dialer. i have to do 3 steps to get to the dialer and it is stupid since this is a PHONE to make calls.
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Sounds like iDialer is what you're looking for if you want a full screen keypad.
What 3 steps are you taking to get to the dialer? Just press the call button? Also the left soft key on the home tab of also gets you to the dialer.

From my vantage point I see 5 issues:
1. As stated above, you need to learn the differences between the screen technologies.
2. You need to use the TP2's hardware keyboard. No onscreen keyboard can compare.
3. If you want a hamstrung, entertainment device, feel free to migrate to an iphone. If you want a relatively open device with depth and breadth, take the time to learn the Win Os. It does take some time to learn, but once you do, you realize how much of a toy many other devices are.
4. You don't seem to be aware that ATT's network has been optimized for and gives preference to iphones. Not to mention that many sites have special pages cleverly and clandestinely optimized for the iphone. They look in many ways like the real thing and you think that you are getting the "full web," but alot of functionality is missing.
5. Most important, and no disrespect to all the chef out there, you are using a cooked rom. These roms promise a great deal, but in the long run most fail to deliver because they introduce more problems than they solve.
I have handled the iphone fairly extensively and it is a good device in its own right. I has a really easy and intuitive interface but it is in a different and lower class than the TP2. It is meant for casual users who use their phones primarily for entertainment. It is really a dressed up feature phone and not a true smartphone.
I use my smartphone (TMobile TP2) for entertainment and for business from VPN client to Wifi internet access router to remote desktop to watching movies to email to GPS to document creation (incl. powerpoint slideshows and spreadsheets) to games (incl. many kinds of emulators), all with free software! Nowadays, I hardly ever have to pull out my netbook. My phone is nimble and loads web pages incredibly fast. At home in VA, I get between 500-600 kbps on avge, up to about 900kbps on a good day. I was in NYC this weekend and got 1260kbps fairly consistently. How's that for performance? Can an iphone do all that?
Bottom Line: Learn Win Os or even Android, you'll be more satisfied in the long run and at the very least you won't be captive to Steve "Jesus" Jobs whims.

my last phone was a G1 with droid and it was neat on the web pages. what browser are you using which you are getting lightning speed. i have an N router at home on cable internet. I wifi to it and it is the lowest loading pages i have ever seen on a phone. My G1 outran it and the iphone just smoked all above. i have opera, skyfire, and IE on the phone...what do you suggest to get the most out of it?
and yes i agree i have to learn the phone and all the info on this post has been extremely helpful and gave me a HUGE understanding of what i am running.

calimove said:
my last phone was a G1 with droid and it was neat on the web pages. what browser are you using which you are getting lightning speed. i have an N router at home on cable internet. I wifi to it and it is the lowest loading pages i have ever seen on a phone. My G1 outran it and the iphone just smoked all above. i have opera, skyfire, and IE on the phone...what do you suggest to get the most out of it?
and yes i agree i have to learn the phone and all the info on this post has been extremely helpful and gave me a HUGE understanding of what i am running.
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I find Opera Mobile 9.5 and 9.7 performance to be underwhelming at first. But I find that disabling java-script helps significantly. Most sites that I visit don't need java-script for me to see the content anyway. And disabling it, means I block a lot of ads from loading.
You can also try Opera Mobile 10 which is in beta right now. It's pretty quick in my experience. But I personally settled back for 9.7 because of it's flexibility in terms of zooming in and out of pages.

Troubleshooting Internet Speed
1. Make sure the rom/you are not running any memory hogs. Push Internet is a notorious memory-sucking monster: disable it. Ideally, your TP2 should have under 50% ram usage when you boot up and ensure you refresh the memory every few hours. CleanRam does this beautifully and automagically.
2. Double-check that you are in fact getting a 3G signal and operating at 3G speeds. Use mobilespeedtest.com or dslreports.com/mspeed to test. Anything less than 500 mbps might indicate a problem.
3. How many bars do you have? 3G requires a strong, quality signal. You might want to contact ATT to ensure that you have the correct sim and provisioning for your line and for this particular phone. (This last point is based on my experiences with ATT in the past. My phone, for some unknown reason, was ignoring the tower nearby. This may be a long shot but might be worth it.)
4.Consider flashing back to a stock ROM to see if anything improves.
5. Make sure you are using the latest versions of the various browsers. Have you tried the latest opera mini, opera mobile, or skyfire browsers? Stay away from IE; it really stinks! I get terrific results using skyfire because of the fact that it is essentially a thin client where all the necessary processing is done server-side.
6. When using opera mobile check its settings via opera:config or opera:about to make sure it is not searching for a proxy server.
7. If you are close to a major metropolitan area, use google's dns servers: 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. This is a long shot, but when I was in NYC I did see an overall improvement of latency.
8. Check to see if wifi improves the problem. If not, check router settings. Have you tried optimizing for performance rather than for battery/neutral in wifi settings on the phone? The TP2 can only connect to g and b networks. A or n are irrelevant to its operation.
9. What sites are you trying to access? Websites do have special scaled down pages for the iphone and increasingly for android phones. You might want to spoof the user agent on your device. Essentially, this makes the website "think" that you are using a different device. The upside about using the user agent settings as is is that you do get more of the internet the way you would experience it on a desktop. That's also its downside. By trying to eat too much of the internet, the browser can choke the system. Remember, the TP2 has a 528 MHz processor and memory in the MBs, not GBs.
10. Make sure the cache, history, and cookies are cleared before testing. Corruption in any of these three areas can compromise page rendering.
I've been watching youtube videos via the app and skyfire and video news from AP.org via skyfire and have not had a hiccup. So I know this device has a sufficiently good internet capabilities.

treo...not! said:
1. Make sure the rom/you are not running any memory hogs. Push Internet is a notorious memory-sucking monster: disable it. Ideally, your TP2 should have under 50% ram usage when you boot up and ensure you refresh the memory every few hours. CleanRam does this beautifully and automagically.
2. Double-check that you are in fact getting a 3G signal and operating at 3G speeds. Use mobilespeedtest.com or dslreports.com/mspeed to test. Anything less than 500 mbps might indicate a problem.
3. How many bars do you have? 3G requires a strong, quality signal. You might want to contact ATT to ensure that you have the correct sim and provisioning for your line and for this particular phone. (This last point is based on my experiences with ATT in the past. My phone, for some unknown reason, was ignoring the tower nearby. This may be a long shot but might be worth it.)
4.Consider flashing back to a stock ROM to see if anything improves.
5. Make sure you are using the latest versions of the various browsers. Have you tried the latest opera mini, opera mobile, or skyfire browsers? Stay away from IE; it really stinks! I get terrific results using skyfire because of the fact that it is essentially a thin client where all the necessary processing is done server-side.
6. When using opera mobile check its settings via opera:config or opera:about to make sure it is not searching for a proxy server.
7. If you are close to a major metropolitan area, use google's dns servers: 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. This is a long shot, but when I was in NYC I did see an overall improvement of latency.
8. Check to see if wifi improves the problem. If not, check router settings. Have you tried optimizing for performance rather than for battery/neutral in wifi settings on the phone? The TP2 can only connect to g and b networks. A or n are irrelevant to its operation.
9. What sites are you trying to access? Websites do have special scaled down pages for the iphone and increasingly for android phones. You might want to spoof the user agent on your device. Essentially, this makes the website "think" that you are using a different device. The upside about using the user agent settings as is is that you do get more of the internet the way you would experience it on a desktop. That's also its downside. By trying to eat too much of the internet, the browser can choke the system. Remember, the TP2 has a 528 MHz processor and memory in the MBs, not GBs.
10. Make sure the cache, history, and cookies are cleared before testing. Corruption in any of these three areas can compromise page rendering.
I've been watching youtube videos via the app and skyfire and video news from AP.org via skyfire and have not had a hiccup. So I know this device has a sufficiently good internet capabilities.
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Awesome information.

once i read the title of this thread, all i could this was: "that's what she said."

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11. Check to make sure you are using the correct APN. Some APN's have known speed and port limitations. Get that info from your carrier.

[NEWS] Errant Data usage [Link]

Reading stories like this makes me glad mine is off.
Errant Data Usage

glad i have a 1.5GB plan. though i never see it chew up much. but aye, it's a good course to make MS do another update if they don't fix it with the feb patch.

I have a suspicion that this is just another thing the press have jumped on to attack Microsoft. I don't think it is a large scale issue or we would have heard about it before now in these forums.

well to be honest it has been noted around here in a few threads before, and most of us believe it comes from the feedback system in the phone. i think just having it so that it only sends data when connected to wifi will automatically resolve it.
but aye, wait for MS to do their investigations. i'm sure if they just "bing" it, they'll find our posts and say that is their solution as well

randude said:
I have a suspicion that this is just another thing the press have jumped on to attack Microsoft. I don't think it is a large scale issue or we would have heard about it before now in these forums.
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A lot of people report high battery consumption with WP7 devices. This could be the reason.

randude said:
I have a suspicion that this is just another thing the press have jumped on to attack Microsoft. I don't think it is a large scale issue or we would have heard about it before now in these forums.
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MS has acknowledged the fact and looking into the resolution, so I don't think it is some mumbo-jumbo.

The Gate Keeper said:
well to be honest it has been noted around here in a few threads before, and most of us believe it comes from the feedback system in the phone. i think just having it so that it only sends data when connected to wifi will automatically resolve it.
but aye, wait for MS to do their investigations. i'm sure if they just "bing" it, they'll find our posts and say that is their solution as well
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This is a workaround and not a solution, I am pretty sure they want to solve it rather than telling the users to disable the feature.

lqaddict said:
This is a workaround and not a solution, I am pretty sure they want to solve it rather than telling the users to disable the feature.
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yea i agree. but i'm just saying that MS could propose it as a temporary work around if it is indeed the cause of the issue, until they fix it in an update.

I have a suspicion this is a 3rd party app issue, as it's not everyone who's having this problem... Could still be the OS, of course.

CreepinJesus said:
I have a suspicion this is a 3rd party app issue, as it's not everyone who's having this problem... Could still be the OS, of course.
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Uncertain about everyone having the issue. In all likelihood it could well be a majority. How would anyone know how much data they were using unless they studied the statement or had a monitor installed? Most people might not be aware of it at all and unconcerned.

MartyLK said:
Uncertain about everyone having the issue. In all likelihood it could well be a majority. How would anyone know how much data they were using unless they studied the statement or had a monitor installed? Most people might not be aware of it at all and unconcerned.
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Most people have limited cap on 3G data, so it's not that difficult to realize whether your phone is abusing your monthly plan or not.
Actually, from the comments at engadget and other blogs, it does seem that the vast majority of users are not affected by the issue. And I've never heard a single one in Italy affected as well. So it maybe a carrier-specific problem, or a 3rd party app available on certain markets/networks.
Or there might not be an issue at all, the high data consumption being just caused by applications running under the lockscreen in standby (so that wifi goes off and 3g kicks in).

MartyLK said:
Uncertain about everyone having the issue. In all likelihood it could well be a majority. How would anyone know how much data they were using unless they studied the statement or had a monitor installed? Most people might not be aware of it at all and unconcerned.
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True... I know I'm ok because I have checked my online statement thing and I've only used a couple of MB so far this month.

Feedback Function? i dont think so.......
One thing that has NEVER been talked about is another new function.......
Location!
You all know that via windowslive we can locate our phones, erase them, block them ect.
Well this function is on by default.
I guess to find out where it is, (its regularly saving its current location on windows live) It has to send some kind of info to Microsoft.
Now i dont think to save location info would need Mbs of data, but who knows?
Since the feedback option is (proven? because deactivated by some? anybody?) not the problem, and the find my phone service is not mentioned, i would look into that........

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I guess to find out where it is, (its regularly saving its current location on windows live) It has to send some kind of info to Microsoft.
Now i dont think to save location info would need Mbs of data, but who knows?
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That depends how often it's sending location info, and whether it's using AGPS. I don't know the details... Mine is turned off anyway.

SPVlover said:
One thing that has NEVER been talked about is another new function.......
Location!
You all know that via windowslive we can locate our phones, erase them, block them ect.
Well this function is on by default.
I guess to find out where it is, (its regularly saving its current location on windows live) It has to send some kind of info to Microsoft.
Now i dont think to save location info would need Mbs of data, but who knows?
Since the feedback option is (proven? because deactivated by some? anybody?) not the problem, and the find my phone service is not mentioned, i would look into that........
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Location is switched on on my phone and I haven't noticed any large data usage.

I am not getting extra data usage when I'm not using my phone it's only about 5k every now and then when it checks email but Saturday I was at the NEC and used IE a lot and wow it ate data!!! I used nearly 30mb just on general surfing, my old Blackberry Storm 2 on the same type of use would have been about 5mb!!!! so why is the phone using so much data when I was just surfing?

alan1467 said:
I am not getting extra data usage when I'm not using my phone it's only about 5k every now and then when it checks email but Saturday I was at the NEC and used IE a lot and wow it ate data!!! I used nearly 30mb just on general surfing, my old Blackberry Storm 2 on the same type of use would have been about 5mb!!!! so why is the phone using so much data when I was just surfing?
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Do you have it on mobile viewing, or desktop viewing? Remember that other phones searched from Google used to limit the viewing for mobile devices. Google would reformat them. Bing doesn't do that, especially if you have it browse as if you're using a desktop.
I have location services on all the time, as well as 3G. The phone uses probably 5MB/day along with my emails, and some MSN. Location services is not the problem, and I lock and find my phone everyday to make sure it's working Yes, I'm over protective.
It's a 3rd party app or feedback.

I've had all location services and features turned on except Feedback since October and have barely been using 50MB a month, which includes downloading games and Apps from Marketplace.
Could be the feedback feature i suppose, i've recently turned mine on but disabled the option to send via GPRS so it won't make a difference i guess.

I've had all location services and features turned on except Feedback since October and have barely been using 50MB a month, which includes downloading a couple of games and Apps from Marketplace.
Could be the feedback feature i suppose, i've recently turned mine on but disabled the option to send via GPRS so it won't make a difference i guess.

bmazloum said:
Do you have it on mobile viewing, or desktop viewing? Remember that other phones searched from Google used to limit the viewing for mobile devices. Google would reformat them. Bing doesn't do that, especially if you have it browse as if you're using a desktop.
I have location services on all the time, as well as 3G. The phone uses probably 5MB/day along with my emails, and some MSN. Location services is not the problem, and I lock and find my phone everyday to make sure it's working Yes, I'm over protective.
It's a 3rd party app or feedback.
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Yes I have it in desktop view do you think that could be it?

My 1st Impressions of NoDo

It is in general alot smother, and I have not had it crash once!
The Marketplace is much better, no crashing, its always slick, doesnt hang while loading more apps in the list, and the new way of searching is much better.
(However I cannot find a few apps, I assume they have been removed from the marketplace, for example MusicShark?)
Copy and Paste works quite well, took me a few tries to realise the paste section is where the text correction area is.
Faults I have noted so far are...
1. Not sure if it is just me because I have only tried once so far, but after pairing with my car headunit. My car headunit no longer detects the HD7 as a bluetooth audio streaming device, and only as a handsfree device. Which is very annoying.
2.When pressing search in internet explorer, it no longer loads a web page, but loads the bing application.
Overall, it makes the phone even nicer to use, it just feels that bit more responsive, and it way more stable!
Has anyone else used NoDo, who can confirm the above faults?
I am running it on an O2 UK HD7 with 32gb.
UPDATE: after 1 days usage
Im finding reception better, battery seems to be a bit better too. Still not had one thing crash on me.
Bluetooth audio streaming does work, however its still low quality like it was in 7004/7008, so I cant wait to unlock it again so I can change the registry entry.
Audio streaming still does not work for playing videos.
Push notification seem to work fine all the time now too, I had problems initially getting them to work on some applications (they would work after trying a few times/restarting) but now they just work.
I havent had chance to check for hidden wireless networks yet, the WiFi menu seems identical though (There is nothing to manually type in any settings.)
Overall, it feels now like how I would have expected the phone to feel when I first got it. Everything it does, it does it really well, and it is a pleasure to use.

loomx said:
2.When pressing search in internet explorer, it no longer loads a web page, but loads the bing application.
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That's how it's supposed to be.
I can remember a branded T-Mobile ROM where you've been redirected to a stupid search website after pressing the search-button but the standard action is opening BING.

We have three devices in this house hold, a HD7, 7 Mozart and a HD2 with Windows Phone 7, obiously the HD2 hasn't been released yet but the other two are much more reliable. I haven't had a single screen tearing on the HD7 since the update and both phones are much more responsive especially within internet explorer where I used to have numerous crashes.
Copy and paste works lovely although on occasion I have to tap a couple of times for it to pop up the option to copy.
Marketplace is more reliable and stable than the original RTM build and the search changes are greatly welcomed.
I haven't really noticed a change in speed loading application, although the only program I have ever had issues with is Bejewelled Live which takes quite a while to load even after the update.
All running nice and smoothly, just missing having Chevron WP7 to copy over my ringtones.

Just tried Bluetooth again, it works fine
I'm glad it shows the bing app instead of Yahoo search like it did before. Its just I expected it to load the bing web page
So all in all I find it perfect now, just need some sideloading back

You Guys receive the Official NoDo update or did you Flash the leak ROM. I'm Glad to hear that its a STABLE Update & Didn't cause any problem, otherwise this general form will be flooded w/ cry babies.

And what about connecting to hidden wifi networks and sound output while playing videos while using a bluetooth headset?

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And what about connecting to hidden wifi networks and sound output while playing videos while using a bluetooth headset?
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Good call - and not just watching video through the headset but using the headset's button to initiate Voice Commands and the headset's microphone to talk the command into.

Just posted a quick update.
I am using the non-goldcard flashed method of getting NoDo, it was nice and easy to do

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Audio streaming still does not work for playing videos.
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After almost half year and MS still can't get this obvious bug to fix. The next update (Mango) will take another half year, and MS is totally silenced when it will get resolve (and who knows if that would be delay too base on MS's current pace). I am totally sick of it and finally have to leave the MS mobile camp after 10+ yrs relationship with MS (my 1st PPC device is iPaq 2210 and my last would be Samsung Focus).

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I have to say one thing, some apps really do load faster!! Max and the magic marker used to take an age to load. Now it seems to load in less than half the time.
I wonder if the delays to the update were due to manufactures including bug fixs for specific phones, which means following updates shouldn't be delayed

Is scrolling in 3rd-party apps better (i.e. not lagging like it is now)?

Not really, I feel like it might have improved slightly... but that might just be because I want it to feel faster lol

i also had some first Impressions of my new nodo
new voice command sound, also understands me very good now.
new htc theme color (nice green)
mozart camera has autofous now (kinda annoying does anyone else have sound feedback, like clicky sound?)
but it does great pictures now, 2 shoots, both perfect, maybe it was luck but it seems it working way better now..
autofocus in video has improoved alot, also recording quallity has greatly improoved in low light and its more stable it seems! yay!
office version 14.0
sharepoint workspace mobile 14 , is that new?
overall its breezing fast, you press it, it opens. awesome!

jackleung said:
After almost half year and MS still can't get this obvious bug to fix. The next update (Mango) will take another half year, and MS is totally silenced when it will get resolve (and who knows if that would be delay too base on MS's current pace). I am totally sick of it and finally have to leave the MS mobile camp after 10+ yrs relationship with MS (my 1st PPC device is iPaq 2210 and my last would be Samsung Focus).
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Where were you when Apple and Apple fanboys were bashing MS non stop. Nowhere. And now all you do is complain.
You should have been more supportive of MS before. You should have help defend then and spread the word.

strandoe said:
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The reason some third party apps lag is because they're badly coded, so no OS update in the world will fix this.

Is anyone juggling both Android and WP7?

I'm asking since I'm gonna be picking up a Dell Venue Pro (again) I been using Android for a while and I enjoy it. The thing I love the most is the integration with gmail and calendars. Being able to open my calendar on my Macbook and for it to automatically update my calendar on my Droid Pro is convenient. From what I remember, WP7 should sync up the calendar with your gmail account but I'm wondering if theres anyone out there that is able to balance using both phones? For example, I want to be able to write down notes on one phone and for somehow that carry over to my Dell Venue Pro. There was a program called AK Notepad for Android and whatever notes I'd write down on my Droid Pro, I'd be able to access on my Nexus One.

I still carry around my Nexus One without SIM...just because Android allows me to do many things I still cannot with my Optimus 7... so for now, at least until Mango update, I will be carrying two phones.

I have several android devices to play with but still carry my surround as my every day phone. I like both. As to having full cloud based sharing on multiple platforms? I don't think they play that nice quite yet

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For example, I want to be able to write down notes on one phone and for somehow that carry over to my Dell Venue Pro. There was a program called AK Notepad for Android and whatever notes I'd write down on my Droid Pro, I'd be able to access on my Nexus One.
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Apparently Evernote (http://www.evernote.com/) is almost ready for Windows Phone 7, which should allow you to create/access notes on pretty much every platform out there.

Try using cloud based apps. It's pretty easy between iPhone and Android, or Android and Android.
It's not that easy with WP7 because we don't have too many apps right now. Looking forward to it!

Juggling between a samsung focus and hopefully in a few hours a galaxy s2. Until mango, the galaxy s2 will be my main phone tho

I have both.
Actually the fact that many users use both speaks for itself....
Anyway I have both of them and ditched WP7 because carrying two devices to do the same thing is kinda nonsense.
There's nothing WP7 does Android can't do
However there are tons of things Android does while WP7 just can't.
WP7 may be very appealing in some scenarios.

Just write your notes in the gmail calendar and sync it on both devices, that's what I do, works like a charm.
/J

jontatas said:
Just write your notes in the gmail calendar and sync it on both devices, that's what I do, works like a charm.
/J
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That's actually so simple.
Plus on Android you can send to calendar notes from Note Everything

I also have my wildfire without sim and my htc trophy. I don't now if i will keep the trophy. I am giving it some time to convince me. I am carrying 2 phones for now. One of the most annoying things in windows phone 7 is that the wifi sleeps when the screen is off, so nothing that syncs (gmail, gtalk, calendar, etc)...syncs! Microsoft says its "by design", well i don't like it. Maybe after the Mango update.

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One of the most annoying things in windows phone 7 is that the wifi sleeps when the screen is off, so nothing that syncs (gmail, gtalk, calendar, etc)...syncs! Microsoft says its "by design", well i don't like it. Maybe after the Mango update.
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I'm not a big wifi user but the same thing happens with bluetooth and it's so disgustingly annoying!! I will be streaming music to my car radio using bluetooth and when a song ends while the screen is off, the phone will automatically disconnect the bluetooth connection and I have to go back to settings and reconnect it and why is bluetooth always searching and discoverable??? What, they couldn't add another slider to switch discovery mode on and off so I don't have to see 50 headsets on my list??
I'm not a power user so i don't need all the fancy stuff Android can do. WP7 is great for me as I mainly use exchange and office, but it's the stupid little details that get you frustrated!

PG2G said:
Apparently Evernote (http://www.evernote.com/) is almost ready for Windows Phone 7, which should allow you to create/access notes on pretty much every platform out there.
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OneNote Exists for WP7 and you can view it in a browser. EverNote has too many restrictions for how much data you can transfer, and it requires yet another account creation (ugh!).
Android phones usually come with a memo app (my Vibrant has it), and they typically allow you to send notes via SMS/MMS, Email, etc.

I carry both an HD7 and a Vibrant with Active SIMs in them everywhere. I put my Unlimited Data SIM in my HD7 when I got it because of Zune Pass, but I'm about to switch it back to my Vibrant.
Audio Quality on the Vibrant is 200% better than on the HD7. You basically need headsets with the HD7. The Vibrant's sound can fill a decent sized room. Call and Speaker Phone quality ... the comparison is the same. Vibrant is wildly superior. It's like comparing a surround sound system to a pocket radio...
The HD7 is useless as a phone comapred to the Vibrant. The signal is consistently 2 bars lower and call quality is more volatile. I feel like I'm in the middle of New York on an AT&T iPhone 4 when I'm on the HD7. The Vibrant performs flawlessly.
The HD7 is only useful as a PMP IF you have a decent pair of headsets or a BT Jabra device with FM transmitter in your car (like I do).
The terrible speaker and cell radio in this thing is already enough to relegate it to backup status, but there is the issue of Apps and Services integration.
Android has better apps. After heavy use of both phones. The Android versions perform better and are more stable as well. Twitter for WP7 (even Birdsong) and Twitter for Android... the Android version runs circles around it. Same for Facebook. LinkedIn doesn't exist for WP7.
No decent IM Applications. Half-baked MMS. Can't send Videos off the device via MMS or Email.
A phone can be made better (maybe the DVP has better speakers than the HD7, and a better radio with better data speeds and call quality), but the OS is half-baked and puts way too many limitations on what you, or any app can do. This means there is a definite roadblock IRT functionality that anyone can hit on WP7 that isn't possible on some other platforms.
In addition to that, there are a ton of applications that are missing from the market, and those that are coming (that matter) won't be here for another 6 months or so.
If I was "upgrading" from a dumb/feature phone it probably wouldn't be an issue. But coming from WM/Android/WebOS and having used iPhones more than enough... It's unacceptable as a daily driver.
It has all the detriments of an AT&T iPhone in New York (poor reception/call quality/wildly flunctuating signal strength that never goes above 3 bars even standing under a 3G tower) with none of the benefits (High Quality Apps, Services Integration, Top Apps). In addition to that, the Audio Quality makes it hit and miss even as a ZuneHD replacement, and the Codec Support is just not cute compared to something like a Galaxy S device. There is no DLNA capability, either. Battery Life is not better than an iOS/Android device, so that's not an advantage.
Disclaimer: Some of these issues (in particular the reception/call quality problems) may be an issue with the phone and not the OS itself - but T-Mobile only sells one WP7 device in carrier stores so take that for what it's worth. One other person I know has an HD7 and when I asked him how he likes it he responded (I'm quoting him word for work...) "The call quality is ****, but it's okay I guess." So I'm pretty sure it's not due to having a lemon device

crav4speed said:
I'm not a big wifi user but the same thing happens with bluetooth and it's so disgustingly annoying!! I will be streaming music to my car radio using bluetooth and when a song ends while the screen is off, the phone will automatically disconnect the bluetooth connection and I have to go back to settings and reconnect it and why is bluetooth always searching and discoverable??? What, they couldn't add another slider to switch discovery mode on and off so I don't have to see 50 headsets on my list??
I'm not a power user so i don't need all the fancy stuff Android can do. WP7 is great for me as I mainly use exchange and office, but it's the stupid little details that get you frustrated!
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I don't use BT much but I understand the frustration, however the entire platform has been launched under the premise that it's not static or even completed as far as I understand. And given the track record of how MS usually deliver products (a main product and then many "hotfixes" and service packs) I expect most of these small things will be fixed in time.
Still annoying that they manage to miss such apparent things.
/J

aposva said:
I also have my wildfire without sim and my htc trophy. I don't now if i will keep the trophy. I am giving it some time to convince me. I am carrying 2 phones for now. One of the most annoying things in windows phone 7 is that the wifi sleeps when the screen is off, so nothing that syncs (gmail, gtalk, calendar, etc)...syncs! Microsoft says its "by design", well i don't like it. Maybe after the Mango update.
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Android does this as well, that's why some applications (like Trillian for Andorid) have a setting to keep WiFi on when the phone sleeps.
I actually prefer it that way. If the phone is charging the WiFi stays on, however. They do it to conserve battery life, and that was a good decision...

N8ter said:
Android does this as well, that's why some applications (like Trillian for Andorid) have a setting to keep WiFi on when the phone sleeps.
I actually prefer it that way. If the phone is charging the WiFi stays on, however. They do it to conserve battery life, and that was a good decision...
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Click Wi-Fi Settings, Menu button and go to advanced, change your policy to never sleep, hit menu again and save.

I know that. I was pointing out the default behavior, though

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I know that. I was pointing out the default behavior, though
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Well atleast the option is there unlike in Microfot's product.
BTW, in the areas where you might have a weak cellular data signal havung your phone connected to a Wi-Fi access point is morr power efficient netting better battery life.

Kind of surprised at the number of people with dual phones. I have a Surround and an Inspire 4G. Before I upgraded to Gingerbread, the Inspire 4G was just so damned choppy, I couldn't really use it for long before I was ready to throw it. Now, it is my primary phone. My Surround has so-so build quality and much more limited functionality. I certainly wish for turn-by-turn directions via Bing maps. NoDo has made it much more fun to use as a communication tool with C&P, and it's smooth as can be. If my work would get the Exchange server up and running instead of using a third party host, I could see it being my primary phone. Until then, its all Android.

lqaddict said:
Well atleast the option is there unlike in Microfot's product.
BTW, in the areas where you might have a weak cellular data signal havung your phone connected to a Wi-Fi access point is morr power efficient netting better battery life.
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with an HD7 that would be everywhere, becuase the radio is so terrible it can never go above 3 bars even if I'm standing under an HSPA+ radio. My Vibrant's radio is 100% better.
I cannot use the HD7 as a phone, it's just too terrible. I only use it to play music these days and after I ETF one of these lines in a month or two I'll probably think hard about getting rid of it - probably just enough to cover the ETF fee, of a bit less than that...