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Touchflo 2d Manila On Artemis Working Great

FOR WHO WANTS ORIGINAL TOUCHFLO 2D MANILA ON ARTEMIS:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425694
IT WORKS REALLY FINE AND SMOOTH ON
I HAVE AN ARTEMIS ANJA AND MOSSI ROM 6.1

i second this on yues extra-clean!
greetz
p.s. one thing i really dont fancy about those manila guys is their not displaying the version details in the cab name, this way you find various .cab version posted everywhere and never know which one it is!

this 1 is much better thn all those throttle launcher themes

... just one thing i am missing:
how to change the buttons of the bottom row- order and showing buttons-- i just dont need all of them!
greetz
p.s.. the manila dialer is cooked into yue_v9.1 extraclean !!!!

thormdac edit the file HTCHomeSettings.xml search for tabs and disable what you wont!i gonna try to make a lite version... the last cab install around 330 files to windows directory!!! insane

I haven't tried that combined package yet, but everything installed from single packages works fine on Tom's oops.

Are you going to release this rom in a single package?

zoko said:
thormdac edit the file HTCHomeSettings.xml search for tabs and disable what you wont!i gonna try to make a lite version... the last cab install around 330 files to windows directory!!! insane
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will try that!
would be nice if you could make a light version
thanx

Works but not so impressed
Tested it on YuE's clean rom, it works but that's all.
Don't find it so spectacular cause I work with SPB Mobile Shell 2.0 with Diamondskin 2.1
This Manilla thing it's a combination of Spb Mobile Shell Diamond Theme & Throttlelauncher.
BUT it would be nice to implement in any new roms, don't like the HTC Diamond home plugin in the middle of the screen... And they cannot implement the Mobile Shell 2.0 with Diamond theme as homescreen cause it's not freeware...
Only the clock is not so nice on the startup screen, but this can maybe be changed.

just installed it on my artemis touch 4.02 lite no cube rom, it took about ten minutes to install, then when i restarted it about 7 minutes for the pda to load back up, and everything was so sluggish ! I then tried to uninstall it and that took about 15 mins then gave up and said it could'nt uninstall it properly.
Thanks god i have a sprite backup to restore.
It may have been my fault though, i selected install to storage card ? or maybe it just installs to windows anyway.
oh well...

you must install to the device, even though it lets you choose.

oh well i cant even restore, so i have to reflash again, what a pain

i tend to agree,
even on my rocket fast yue extraclean, i feel extremely slowed down (in comparison to without it) in trade for which gain?- optics? hope we can lighten this baby down
greetz

corky said:
just installed it on my artemis touch 4.02 lite no cube rom, it took about ten minutes to install, then when i restarted it about 7 minutes for the pda to load back up, and everything was so sluggish ! I then tried to uninstall it and that took about 15 mins then gave up and said it could'nt uninstall it properly.
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The same for me (with an extralight rom and installing Manila 2d in device).
It works but.......very slowwww.
I unistalled it (correctly) but starting time after soft reset was too long: only solution a hard reset.

What about RAM consuption... What can you tell me about it?

I'm also uninstalling it, Spb Mobile Shell with Diamondskin 2.1 is much nicer to work with...
I haven't experienced any slow down of my P3300 with this either...
The Manilla 2D is still in beta, maybe some programmers can speed it up so that rom-builders can cook it in their roms.

HI,
I don't know why your manila 2d is slow , I only can suppose that must install a wm 6.1 diamond rom based , for example i get the anja and mossi on it , or must look for some rom similar
My manila 2d it is fast and works really well, anyway before installing it I uninstall all gui stuff like SPB shell
I installed manila on memory device and not on sd card
I have 14 MB ram free once manila is working , and is working well

i second to the past users' comments
i have tom's oops black 1.0 installed, and i've installed manilla on my device.
everyone should agree that touchFLO 3D aka manilla wasnt actually designed for artemis.. bt it was targeted for diamond which has higher ROM, higher RAM and a higher processors with a graphics device to assist its processes. it would be slow on any device with 128MB ROM and 64MB RAM and a 200MHz processor.
however, its not that slow.. i have 15MB free after Manilla is up and running after power-on.. i can use other applications fine.. bt surely the startup is slow.. takes a bit of patience heheh..
anyway its nice work from another xda developer.. i greatly appreciate ur work...
i've been using manilla on my artemis since it was launched for artemis.. im happy abt it..
hope that somebody can make it less bloating, more efficient, faster and more usable with better customizations..
xda developers rules!

thormdac said:
i tend to agree,
even on my rocket fast yue extraclean, i feel extremely slowed down (in comparison to without it) in trade for which gain?- optics? hope we can lighten this baby down
greetz
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how about reflashing but this time with 8mb pagepool ?

From where can I download Touch flo Manilla 2D or 3D even for my artemis (arte110)?

Looking for the fastest manila 2d ROM

Hello because the low RAM on trinity im looking for the simpliest ROM (Only basic apps) with manila2D.
I tried a lot of roms and the fastest was cme 0.9 BETA which has a lot of issues.
Can someone help me?

I would definutly recommend this ROM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=472178
its Team CV93+Oggi (CE OS 5.2.21014.1.6.0) Manila2D and there is a ultra-lite version, I have been using it for about a week (full ROM) and it is fast - stable and im sure the lite versions will be even faster.
Sorry I cant give more details

PDAViet TRINITY WM6.1 ROM V44 - Build 20748.1.4.0 (Manila2D) is mine tip, download and password is PhamQuang

Snake_A said:
Hello because the low RAM on trinity im looking for the simpliest ROM (Only basic apps) with manila2D.
I tried a lot of roms and the fastest was cme 0.9 BETA which has a lot of issues.
Can someone help me?
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Hi Snake_A.
The simplest Manila2D ROM (i.e. with the lowest number of potentially not needed add ons) that I have found is nosedive's latest:
[ROM][WWE][4/2/2009]n073e+i (CE OS 5.2.20769 build20769.1.4.5) [ONLINE]
It's faster than any others I have tried and has no issues (apart from psshut not letting you turn the device competely off). Bear in mind that speed on any Rom will depend on what you add after the flash. Reducing the number of Manila2D tabs (using m2Dc customiser) and switching off Manila2D during use of applications like TomTom and Internet Exploring does help.
Chanvi's pre-Iolite/Footprint ones are excellent too, but have more add ons (which you may not need, depending on personal preference). (Chanvi leads the way in Iolite/Footprint experimentation, but so far they seem to use more memory than previous versions.)
Both the above cooks are very active in the Trinity forum and always answer any problems. There are other great cooks who are also opening doors with their work and well worth testing their Roms, but if you are after simplicity and stability, I recommend nosedive or chanvi at the moment.
Hope this helps you and others,
Mattster.

I'm starting to miss Manila2D... I hope some updated Manila2D Roms come out soon.

Mattster_spv said:
I'm starting to miss Manila2D... I hope some updated Manila2D Roms come out soon.
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try cooking the latest 6.5 build from chanvi's kitchen. it has the jade 1.2 M2D OEM!

philocritus said:
try cooking the latest 6.5 build from chanvi's kitchen. it has the jade 1.2 M2D OEM!
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Hi Philocritus.
I have been thinking of trying that, but to tell you the truth I don't like the iconic start menu in Windows 6.5. I prefer the list format start menu of 6.1.
I have just flashed the 21042 6.1 full manila ROM from chanvi's Kitchen. Do you know how it compares to the latest 6.5 build?
Mattster.

Mattster_spv said:
Hi Philocritus.
I have been thinking of trying that, but to tell you the truth I don't like the iconic start menu in Windows 6.5. I prefer the list format start menu of 6.1.
I have just flashed the 21042 6.1 full manila ROM from chanvi's Kitchen. Do you know how it compares to the latest 6.5 build?
Mattster.
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Mattster my friend, welcome back..
I have tried both 6.1 and 6.5 in various options. Summary:
1. 6.1 or 6.5 makes no difference as far as speed. It is all CPU/clocking dependent. they both slow down the same with heavy graphics, and suffer the same behavior. It's all in the hardware..
2. Size of page pool makes a difference for speeds. But it is a trade off between free RAM and speed. It is depending what your needs are. again- 6.1 or 6.5 is not making a difference . Some claim 6.5 is slower, but really in order to say that one needs to compare apples with apples. two different ROMS are , by definition, apple and orange.
3. Try WM6.5 by Chanvi. Give it 72 hours before you give up on the bee hive you hate. After you get used to it, and to the slick movement of it, you will have hard time going back to the dull WM6.1 menus.
4. You will have to forget about 'dirty Harry' pose with the stylus in the mouth. Menus are SOOOOOOO finger friendly my stylus is rusting in its place inside the phone. No WM6.1 has this kind of GUI. Not even if artificially trying to add finger friendly menus. Even the X button on the upper right is thumb friendly !
5. Enjoy both worlds. Home2 now has an applet and theme that looks exactly as M2D. I have it installed on home2 and it's fun, not mentioning I go from analog to digital clock on the home tab in a flick of a finger. If you like the idea of home2 than install WM6.5 IE6Ultralite cause you really don't need CHome or M2D in the ROM. You will be surprised to get 28M free RAM and 79M free storage that way, and a phone faster than ever..
bigE

BigE said:
...You will have to forget about 'dirty Harry' pose with the stylus in the mouth. Menus are SOOOOOOO finger friendly my stylus is rusting in its place inside the phone. No WM6.1 has this kind of GUI. Not even if artificially trying to add finger friendly menus. Even the X button on the upper right is thumb friendly !
Enjoy both worlds. Home2 now has an applet and theme that looks exactly as M2D. I have it installed on home2 and it's fun, not mentioning I go from analog to digital clock on the home tab in a flick of a finger. If you like the idea of home2 than install WM6.5 IE6Ultralite cause you really don't need CHome or M2D in the ROM. You will be surprised to get 28M free RAM and 79M free storage that way, and a phone faster than ever..
bigE
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Hi bigE.
Thanks for the feedback. Most informative as always, and much appreciated. Funny you should mention the "Dirty Harry" look. I am somewhat famous for it in the office, and I tend to chew on my stylus continually...
On holiday, I had Manila2d and spb shell both turned off, and as a result I now find it irritatingly slow going back to them! I'll follow your suggestion this weekend: home2 with WM6.5 IE6Ultralite.
Is it worth me trying to cook home2 (it's freeware, no?) into the ROM using Chanvi's kitchen? Maybe you've done it already?
Mattster.

Best ROM that I ever have tested (and I have tested a lot of them) is:
[ROM][WWE] Windows Mobile 6.1 5.2.20270.1.3.1 Ver. 0.4.7.5 (Updated: 2009.04.04) by osavioro
Memory foot print with Home, Messages, E-mail, Settings and Programs tabs enabled in Manila2D:
Storage:
Total: 43.67MB
In Use: 23.67MB
Free: 20.00 MB
Program:
Total: 48.68MB
In Use: 29.56MB
Free: 19.12MB
iGO8 works like a charm. Fast with lot of usefull applications. Dont forget to install Manila customizer so you can disable unwanted tabs and save some memory.
No problems at all.

Mattster_spv said:
Hi bigE.
Is it worth me trying to cook home2 (it's freeware, no?) into the ROM using Chanvi's kitchen? Maybe you've done it already?
Mattster.
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Worth trying, if you know how.. I didn't. One comment though- there is a non official release of the home2 free (you need to do some reading) where Joel made the home2.exe file use storage memory to dump graphics files. that made home2 work in 90% speed it was before, but free RAM is 4-5M bigger. If you think of cooking home2 I would like to know how you do it.. I have no clue how to take a cab and add it into the kitchen..
bigE

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Worth trying, if you know how.. I didn't. One comment though- there is a non official release of the home2 free (you need to do some reading) where Joel made the home2.exe file use storage memory to dump graphics files. that made home2 work in 90% speed it was before, but free RAM is 4-5M bigger. If you think of cooking home2 I would like to know how you do it.. I have no clue how to take a cab and add it into the kitchen..
bigE
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I gave up on home2 since it sucked the battery dry in one day! plus it was a very memory hungry app... maybe just maybeeeee i'll return to it when that exe is stable.
miss home1 btw... 1.2 was in my opinion on of the best UI around, and still is my favorite behind m2d

best and most stable rom WM6, 6.1, 6.5 ?? Opinions please

I am a bit of a newb to the hermes and was wondering what is the best/most stable rom for wm6.?? (I'm on orange UK by the way)
Would appreciate any opinions and links to the roms.
I have spent ages reading through various posts but keep getting lost/confused.
I have done the hard spl upgrade and have a sd card ready for the upgrade. Now it's the big question of which rom.
Would like one that is ready to go with most of the basics already there rather than one of the really lite ones I think, but not sure which would be best ?
I probably should say it's an M3100
Thanks in advance....steve

Which one that is best for you, might not be the one that is best for someone else. Each cook has their own style.
Try several, I would suggest CRC's, Tai's, Josh's, or kareme's
You really will have to try several to see what fits you best.
I have not tried any of the 6.5 roms out, mainly because it seems there are still bugs to be worked out.

Don't bother with WM6
There's not really that significant a jump from WM5 - and you can get an official WM6 ROM!
IMHO 6.1 is the way to go, for now...

Spoiler Alert!!
Umm.. I've been trying the WM 6.5 Version XXX76 from Tai... I am mighty impressed... I thot it'd need lots of ram to keep 6.5 running.. this is fast man... 6.5 though there are no paradigm shifts from 5,6 or 6.1... even the beta seems better that 6.1...
currently my rnaking would be
1. 6.5 ( I am liking waht I am seeing.. this is the speed king... 76 fro TAI is stable as any other ROM)
2. 6 (faster... than most of the other Versions and not plain as 5
3. 6.1 (lots of fixes on this but slow.. slow...slow)

WARNING!!:
once you go 6.5 u can't go back!!

joshkoss said:
WARNING!!:
once you go 6.5 u can't go back!!
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What do you mean? I tried 6.5, didn't like it and flashed 6.1. Without any problems.

joshkoss said:
WARNING!!:
once you go 6.5 u can't go back!!
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thanks josh... for your warning...

There are 2 new 6.5 ROMs worth trying
I just bought a 8525 for $125 USD. It's awesome. I first settled on one of Schap's ROMS - Schaps_WM6Pro_Hermes_4.31_WWE_Full.
It was really nice but now it is sadly behind the times. There are 2 new 6.5 ROMs worth trying:
1 21189_Lite_V9_Update1
2 21193_Lite_V10
I installed the 1st and stopped there because it is so awesome. The Hermes no longer has to hide in the shadows of all the new $600 Pda/phones out there.
One thing about 6.5 is that there is no "programs" section per se in the titanium feature(?). So I went to a SPBplus4 Today Screen.
It's much more convenient for accessing fexplorer and task mgr.I did do an auto hide on the tabs and minimized the icons so it would look like one of the newer phones. Appreciate all the hard work everyone put in.
My ROM request (if anyone's interested) is for a full featured 6.5 -something like K's ROM with TAI's finesse dominating - BUT without IE or OFFICE or WM built in. I am surprised all the great cooks include these. I have found Skyfire, TCPMP work great and I don't need Office at all.
And the START MENU sections on the 6.5 should go directly to the same categories as before except more like :
Programs, SYSTEM Settings, Connection Settings, Personal Settings, TODAY settings, TOOLS (regedit, fexplore, taskmgr), GAMES, PICTURES, VIDEOS, MUSIC, AND the option to add or customize your own AND be able to have it show before Programs, and stay there after a SR!
I am a newbie but I know what I want. Thanks again to all the cooks for making carrying a phone everywhere exciting and useful and for showing the big companies how to really do it. They keep putting out these improved ROMs (performance-wise) but they have no idea what to do with them.
Jupiter and Titan from AZ USA.

I am also trying to figure out how to automatically add my apps from the SD card after a HR. Autorun or something like that. Anyone know of a thread that shows a newbie how to do it?

bailey7 said:
I am also trying to figure out how to automatically add my apps from the SD card after a HR. Autorun or something like that. Anyone know of a thread that shows a newbie how to do it?
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Here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=366337

I am still using binky11 as it was 5 or six month,,so stable,,,,
I love manilla2d, but it is not stable until right now
thanks

Try Josh M2D ROM..
Its nice, fast and stable
thanks JOsh

bugmenot20090308 said:
What do you mean? I tried 6.5, didn't like it and flashed 6.1. Without any problems.
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WARNING!!:
once you go 6.5 u can't go back!!
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Yes Josh what do you mean?? i've also downgrade back to WM 6.
I've tried your WM 6.5 Its great but for now im looking forward for the hybrid rom.

I personally like Tai_SW's 21109 rom. It seems to be really stable though that could be because its a hybrid WM6.1/WM6.5 rom.
Have 2 Hermes, on my main I use 21109 but test others on my "spare"...
I don't tend to like the Hex or titanium roms as the RAM is low and storage space seems to abot 45Mb or less while I use about 50 Mb for the apps I like. I need to have as much RAM as possible too so I don't end up with system freezes when I run a REALLY RAM hungry app.
Cheers...

binky11 is the most stable ever, but it will be the perfect rom when manill2d them inside.
PERFECT
thanks

Tai_SW's wm6.1 lite roms are superb, fast, stable, & lot's of free memory!!

zack_rains said:
Yes Josh what do you mean?? i've also downgrade back to WM 6.
I've tried your WM 6.5 Its great but for now im looking forward for the hybrid rom.
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Josh meant that WM6.5 is great and once you've tried it, you don't want to back to 6.1 anymore

I use DarkWinter2 from Josh and it works fine for me.

PDAViet DVH_V27... I have tried other ROMS - some of them really nice, but there was always something, which made me to go back to DVH_V27.. too bad this guy does not cook for hermes anymore..

ntha82 said:
Josh meant that WM6.5 is great and once you've tried it, you don't want to back to 6.1 anymore
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Not neccesary. I tried one day 6.5 Josh rom (GS or else edition), but it was lagging, so I re-flased it the same day. Now I'm using Josh V15 colored 3G and is wonderful

WM 6.1 vs, WM 6.5

I want know which Rom is better in
Free Ram
Performence
Storage
compatible with software
Battery Drain

Make My Day! said:
I want know which Rom is better in
Free Ram
Performence
Storage
compatible with software
Battery Drain
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6.1 works great with me

6.1 is better in everything you wrote

6.1 will be better

from what I heard, 6.5 would be slower, memory hunger, cpu eater...

hello
WM6.1 more free RAM
WM6.5 more responsive
This is what I can say comparing the ROMs of CV93+Oggi.
Regards

Hi to all.
For me , not exist a rom ok for all.
WM 6.1 is ok for any function but is slow.
WM 6.5 is very fast , but again is not regulary ,
with many bugs,
I am waiting a rom very very beautifull ,
without bugs.
When ????
Bye .......

i found 6.1 is much faster and good ram Management, some of rom like i m using NiAx 40 which is very clean, i have tried couple of 6.5 rom but they are very slow and un stable, i would better stick with 6.1, may be 6.5 requires more ram then TRINITY have.

Hello all
WM 6.1 is in the end and WM 6.5 is in beginning of development .
6.5 is faster , nicer , smoother etc... 6.1 but use 4 or 5 MB of RAM more , my latest wm 6.1 in Ultra Lite has more than 31 MB of RAM and latest 6.5 has only 27 MB and can to be daily use .
Hope this synthese help you .

WM6.5 is BETA but..
Folks,
I think Chanvi gave the best answer so let me just repeat it and add:
1. WM6.1 is at the end of the road. True, there isn't yet a phone that comes with WM6.5 but soon it will start.
2. WM6.1 has an advantage regarding free RAM. However, with some clever tweaks (using kitchens) it is possible to create a ROM that will serve ANY application that runs on WM6.1 to run on WM6.5
3. WM6.5 has more than few annoying bugs of WM6.1 resolved. Original WM6.1 used to have some major issues, such as lock users out with 'wrong password' and other MS crap. It was all fixed in WM6.5
4. The GUI in WM6.5 is great. It takes time to get used to it, and I was between the ones complaining about the change it took from WM6.1 but the naked truth is when i tried to be back to WM6.1 it was bad experience for me.
5. Finger friendly- I hardly use the stylus in WM6.5 So much easier than WM6.1 was.
6. Stability- Sorry to 'disappoint' you, but at least Chanvi came up with a set of ROMs that are too good to be true. not one crash since April (two months) , great memory management (no leaks) and good battery life. It isn't all WM6.5, it is , I think, because Chanvi and Oggi are very talanted. Nevertheless- WM6.5 is , by far, superior to WM6.1
And I was one of the people thinking WM6.5 was too heavy for our trinity..
To get you an idea: I run 3 email accounts (one exchange) , my today plugin is home2 (heavy graphics) and I use iGO8 for GPS navigation, with high resolution and 3D (but no TTS).
And lastly- it makes the phone beautiful. Whenever someone shows me his iPHONE/Samsung/HTC Fuze/whatever with standard ROM, and I show him my cooked WM6.5 on a 3 years old phone (!) it is impressive... and runs as good as theirs, if not better. 3 years in phone years is 21 years in dog years.. LOL.. so much for phones, especially XDA ones.

well apart from the comments above I personally think I like 6.1 better.
Used chanvi 6.5 for 2 weeks, and I can't stand the slow response of the device, especially accessing my SMS (i store lots of em) and it takes more time to load and switch between applications (about 2 - 4 seconds more than when using 6.1).
I even flashed 6.5 onto my friend phone, as to try out the new and latest OS, and he too came back to me after a week, saying please save me and reflash back 6.1 as it's too slow for him.
We are business users hence accessing options like SMS, MMS, and web browser and switching back and fourth between applications should be fast. Unfortunately 6.5 does not provide that. It's fast, but just the today's interface and when clicking start, but when you actually load any application, it will take longer than 6.1 which we can't bare anymore..
In the end, my friend flashed trynnt ROM and I flashed another ROM which uses diamond interface runs on 6.1 and have no speed issues anymore.

neato4u said:
well apart from the comments above I personally think I like 6.1 better.
Used chanvi 6.5 for 2 weeks, and I can't stand the slow response of the device, especially accessing my SMS (i store lots of em) and it takes more time to load and switch between applications (about 2 - 4 seconds more than when using 6.1).
I even flashed 6.5 onto my friend phone, as to try out the new and latest OS, and he too came back to me after a week, saying please save me and reflash back 6.1 as it's too slow for him.
We are business users hence accessing options like SMS, MMS, and web browser and switching back and fourth between applications should be fast. Unfortunately 6.5 does not provide that. It's fast, but just the today's interface and when clicking start, but when you actually load any application, it will take longer than 6.1 which we can't bare anymore..
In the end, my friend flashed trynnt ROM and I flashed another ROM which uses diamond interface runs on 6.1 and have no speed issues anymore.
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Hi neato2u
I'm agree only on thing with you on IE (web browser) is not good in WM 6.5 if you use new IE8 with widgets , it's very slow and lag because our device have not enough free CPU (not ram) .
I use also in professional and business , i don't know exactly how many e mail i have (stored in sd card) but certainly more than 1 thousand with 3 account , Tomtom 7.910 daily use ,more than 2 hours phone (Voip included) by day et... , my rom is a Extra Ultra Full with Titanium + Manila + SPB Mobile as interface , i change interface when in job or wk or holidays . Never problem crash or other , only one thing is true , some app. like "Auto Hibernate" or "Activesync Killer" don't work in wm 6.5 so recently i find and use cleanRAM level3 with settings by run auto all 3 hours .
You can not compare HTCHome interface with Titanium or Manila , of course HTCHome is the lighter interface but older also , you can also install HTCHome in wm 6.5 , it will work better than in 6.1
Regards

Things you can do..
neato4u said:
well apart from the comments above I personally think I like 6.1 better.
Used chanvi 6.5 for 2 weeks, and I can't stand the slow response of the device, especially accessing my SMS (i store lots of em) and it takes more time to load and switch between applications (about 2 - 4 seconds more than when using 6.1).
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Some comments, as you did not mention some crucial info...
1. Have you tried IE6UltraLite ROM?
2. Do you support the phone with any tools like SKTOOLS for memory managment and shadow RAM services?
3. Ever tried opera MINI 4.2? (not opera mobile, don't confuse between the two). IE6 or IE8 are a disaster app, regardless if you use WM6.1 or WM6.5
I am, like you, using this XDA for business. I have no issues with either OS, provided I am taking good care of the installation of the above. Please keep in mind this phobe is not HTC but Dopod (were bought by HTC) and since WM5 there is not much of support for it by HTC. If you intend to keep using the trinity, even if with WM6.1, you can make it more efficient.
If you have installed the full blown IE8 version, yes, I agree with you it is not business oriented. But Chanvi has the lite just for the business side of it.
Besides, if you are really away from a computer and use your phone heavily, making it finger friendly is the main thing WM6.1 is missing. The GUI (and I mean the pull down menus) is what makes the difference for me. I was hesitating a lot with WM6.5 until Chanvi proved me step by step how WM6.5 can give me what i am looking for.
Other than that, the naked truth is a 64M RAM phone is a joke.
BigE

wm 6.1 is better u can do more

WM 6.5
Hi all
this is my first fost...sorry for my bad english.
After a lot of change now i'n usin PDA ROM WM6.5 V49.
It works very well...fast and stable. For me is the best one now.
bye

chanvi93 said:
Hello all
WM 6.1 is in the end and WM 6.5 is in beginning of development .
6.5 is faster , nicer , smoother etc... 6.1 but use 4 or 5 MB of RAM more , my latest wm 6.1 in Ultra Lite has more than 31 MB of RAM and latest 6.5 has only 27 MB and can to be daily use .
Hope this synthese help you .
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brother u r doing a good job but as u have said "WM 6.5 is in beginning of development" is right i have used ur lite 6.5 rom for couple of days and found is not stable as 6.1. (i m sorry if i have disappointed you)
i really appreciate your contribution to the forum and i will keep track of ur roms.
Thanks
regards

Please share your findings. How did you conclude its unstable?
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sohil said:
brother u r doing a good job but as u have said "WM 6.5 is in beginning of development" is right i have used ur lite 6.5 rom for couple of days and found is not stable as 6.1. (i m sorry if i have disappointed you)
i really appreciate your contribution to the forum and i will keep track of ur roms.
Thanks
regards
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BigE said:
Folks,
I think Chanvi gave the best answer so let me just repeat it and add:
1. WM6.1 is at the end of the road. True, there isn't yet a phone that comes with WM6.5 but soon it will start.
2. WM6.1 has an advantage regarding free RAM. However, with some clever tweaks (using kitchens) it is possible to create a ROM that will serve ANY application that runs on WM6.1 to run on WM6.5
3. WM6.5 has more than few annoying bugs of WM6.1 resolved. Original WM6.1 used to have some major issues, such as lock users out with 'wrong password' and other MS crap. It was all fixed in WM6.5
4. The GUI in WM6.5 is great. It takes time to get used to it, and I was between the ones complaining about the change it took from WM6.1 but the naked truth is when i tried to be back to WM6.1 it was bad experience for me.
5. Finger friendly- I hardly use the stylus in WM6.5 So much easier than WM6.1 was.
6. Stability- Sorry to 'disappoint' you, but at least Chanvi came up with a set of ROMs that are too good to be true. not one crash since April (two months) , great memory management (no leaks) and good battery life. It isn't all WM6.5, it is , I think, because Chanvi and Oggi are very talanted. Nevertheless- WM6.5 is , by far, superior to WM6.1
And I was one of the people thinking WM6.5 was too heavy for our trinity..
To get you an idea: I run 3 email accounts (one exchange) , my today plugin is home2 (heavy graphics) and I use iGO8 for GPS navigation, with high resolution and 3D (but no TTS).
And lastly- it makes the phone beautiful. Whenever someone shows me his iPHONE/Samsung/HTC Fuze/whatever with standard ROM, and I show him my cooked WM6.5 on a 3 years old phone (!) it is impressive... and runs as good as theirs, if not better. 3 years in phone years is 21 years in dog years.. LOL.. so much for phones, especially XDA ones.
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I'm agree with almost everything you said, but I think those few MB of RAM consumption difference are critical. I installed CV93+Oggi WM 6.5 OS 21501 and since can't use iGO (I tried several versions, even the new amigo) and it always says "out of memory" after a few minutes in best case. So if you need any RAM hungry app 6.5 is not for you, in any other case it may be the best option.
My impressions are: battery works for much longer, about 10 more hours with low/normal use (no wifi or bt, just phone). Screen and phone perfomance are better, in apps it's the same than 6.1. And I didn't find any incompatible software.
If there was anyway to close CHome, like manilla, we could get a few more RAM.

juan_sck said:
I'm agree with almost everything you said, but I think those few MB of RAM consumption difference are critical. I installed CV93+Oggi WM 6.5 OS 21501 and since can't use iGO (I tried several versions, even the new amigo) and it always says "out of memory" after a few minutes in best case. So if you need any RAM hungry app 6.5 is not for you, in any other case it may be the best option.
My impressions are: battery works for much longer, about 10 more hours with low/normal use (no wifi or bt, just phone). Screen and phone perfomance are better, in apps it's the same than 6.1. And I didn't find any incompatible software.
If there was anyway to close CHome, like manilla, we could get a few more RAM.
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If you use Chanvi's latest WM 6.5 Kitchen, you can leave CHome and Manilla out completely! BigE is getting up to 29MB free in this way on one of his UltraLites. Without TTS, iGO8 breathes quite well on this.

SuperSport said:
If you use Chanvi's latest WM 6.5 Kitchen, you can leave CHome and Manilla out completely! BigE is getting up to 29MB free in this way on one of his UltraLites. Without TTS, iGO8 breathes quite well on this.
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I certainly do.. my best results were with the 21232 IE6UltraLite by Chanvi. 27M free RAM and 78M free storage. I skinned out M2D and CHOME (I use home2) and I run SKTOOLS to optimize memory. Joel from Pointui has created a home2 file that will send graphics to the storage memory, and on top I am using mToday to switch all home pluggins off before i run iGO. I get 23-26M free RAM (23 if I do not soft reset, 26 if I do) and can run iGO in high resolution and buildings, while syncing with 3 email accounts, get text messages and calls. If you have more need than that, than trinity is not for you. It is a 4 years old device with miserable 64M RAM... we are kind of beating a dead horse here, and Chanvi is able to give it a nice push and keep it alive before Diamond2 is released (I mean 3G supported around the world, not just EU, hard SPL released for unlocking, and decent forum activity to support it with cooks and testing).
The thing is, I have to admit, in order to make the device 'behave' it takes some tweaking and knowlegde, and it is not for the lazy or faint heart user..
BigE

Diamond Hardware and Win 6.5

can Touch Diamond run windows 6.5? or is it powerful enough to run it?
enough RAM to run and ROM to store?
And is it fast enough?

vnt said:
can Touch Diamond run windows 6.5? or is it powerful enough to run it?
enough RAM to run and ROM to store?
And is it fast enough?
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If you talking about the Orginial one then i guess we will have to wait on that however the cooked ROM's here for 6.5 cooked by our own chefs works great on the Diamond and they are pretty fast too.
Dont Judge Diamond by its size

for official rom i believe that we wont get it, but thats why there are so many cooked 6.5roms!

vnt said:
can Touch Diamond run windows 6.5? or is it powerful enough to run it?
enough RAM to run and ROM to store?
And is it fast enough?
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Except for the shortage of sufficient free RAM (Prog Mem) there is absolutely no problem.
Storage/processor etc are all sufficient enough for running the WM 6.5 ROMs. Try one available on this forum and experience yourself..
Ya, The official ROM has a big question-mark against it...

Officially - No, I really doubt it.
Unofficially - Yes the Diamond Cooked ROMs work very good and have enough RAM

c_shekhar said:
Except for the shortage of sufficient free RAM (Prog Mem) there is absolutely no problem.
Storage/processor etc are all sufficient enough for running the WM 6.5 ROMs. Try one available on this forum and experience yourself..
Ya, The official ROM has a big question-mark against it...
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How do I free RAM, I just installed 6.5 with TF3D (not even Manila 2.5) on my Diamond and it is slow. I had to empty the pictures folder on the device and store them in internal storage for the album to work. It kept saying there isn't enough memory. And it seems the accelerometer (screen rotator) doesn't work.

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How do I free RAM, I just installed 6.5 with TF3D (not even Manila 2.5) on my Diamond and it is slow. I had to empty the pictures folder on the device and store them in internal storage for the album to work. It kept saying there isn't enough memory. And it seems the accelerometer (screen rotator) doesn't work.
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Unfortunately I've found I have to use a pretty minimalist rom. The two I have used which I don't need to restart several times a day due to low memory are Windows Revolution and Windows 6.5 Clean Basic. These can both handle TF3D but again recommendations are to turn off all the features that make it look good (e.g. dialler).
Wm 6.1 isn't better in this regard. It's just an underpowered device so you have to make compromises.