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I have been using a Siemens SX-56 relatively successfully for over a year and am wowed by the XDA features once I easily unlocked it from AT&T's service (incidentally I was amazed more recently to find an almost unknown T-Mobile version of it existing!)
I am now about to make the leap to WiFi operation on my PDA and have a VoIPFone account in the UK with an ordinary UK number. (X-Lite works really well on my home computer. A Vonage account I also have on a land-phone is absolutely terrible and I will probably have to change it soon to someone like BroadVoice if anyone thinks that might be any better).
Can someone recommend me a phone to buy please? I don't mind looking on ebay and unlocking one but I need to be able to input my VoIPFone account details and exchange files with Outlook as I am doing at the moment.
I PRESUME I have to use an HTC of some flavour and wonder which would be the least expensive as I can't imagine it will get all that much use? Are the ones with large screens MORE expensive as they are easier to read or LESS as they are larger and therefore older as the current trend is towards smaller phones?
trend for htc devices is both smaller and bigger depend on how much it's a phone and how much it's a UCPC
http://www.htc.com/product/03-products.htm
middle path is prob
HTC P3600
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htc tytn
Yes, on size, that is pretty much what I figured
But which is the least expensive one to go for (similar to the second, third and fourth rows on that page) if I am emphatically not looking for "The latest"?
Which one to look for?
Does it come down to either some flavour of the Wizard or the Blue Angel?
The wizard is pretty damn awesome.
Does b or g make a difference with VoIP?
Is there a general view on whether you can get enough throughput on 802.11b to power VoIP effectively or if you need 802.11g? Or in practice doesn't it make any difference? I hear that the Wizard only does the b flavour?
802.11b does from 4Mbit to 11Mbit
being that thats faster then most peoples internet
the wifi should not be a bottleneck
I have a Wizard, and while it's an excellent device, bear in mind it's only got a 200 MHz proc (which granted you can overclock), which means it may not be ideal for VoIP. I know for Skype only the lower-power version works well, and you have to turn off noise cancelling on the standard WM version.
I have just upgraded to an Exec, and while it's certainly the most brick-like, you can pick them up for 200 quid on Ebay, and with a 520 Mhz processor you might find it is better.
NOTE. I have not used VoIP myself, this is just what I have read.
Not sure if I did the right thing (but it didnt cost me much)
Seeing your post I have bought a thing called a T-Mobile MDA (apparently not a Vario 11 or an MDA 111 unless there is some way of identifying these about which I am unaware?) which seems to be a Hermes and seems to have a processor about twice as fast.
There seem to be lots of threads on VoIP on these Hermes units: Is there a FULL thread here anywhere on putting any VoIP software on it please or necessary mods to it to let me do this? At the moment I am still trying to figure out how to get it to recognise NOT communicating through its Modem or through T-Mobile proprietary software. It does scan and judging by how many networks it sees out there, seems reasonably powerful? (doesnt show powers of networks at the moment of course). But it doesn't let me surf, having actually connected to some network?
Sorry 'bout that, it IS a Wizard!
Sorry 'bout that, it IS a Wizard!
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Sorry 'bout that, it IS a Wizard!
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Well the good news is the Wizard is a VERY popular phone, so you'll have plenty of support. Check out of the Wizard boards:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=248
I may just be imagining things but it looks like the specifications been changed on the HTC site with upped battery time and few other bits.
I'm sure for one thing it used to say on the HTC specs itself under special features it had FM-radio and said accelarometer not g-sensor but if that's what they sacrificed to get better battery or it's just been omitted who knows.
Still if they have looks mostly cosmetic.
What's the difference between G-sensor and Accelerometer?
I thought it was the same thing... Potato - Tomato
And as far as I can see they updated the specs on the europe home (choose country), but not on german (deutschland), Danmark or Norge (Norway). These were the only ones I checked.
They upped the batterylife and removed FM-radio from specs.
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Potato - Tomato
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hahaha, ok but they are different however you pronounce them... hahaha...
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hahaha, ok but they are different however you pronounce them... hahaha...
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Finally someone noticed the deliberate misspelling.
Usually people read it like potato - potato
lol... I first heard the "Potato tomato" watching the commentaries of Mallrats where Jason Mewes drops the line. Great movie BTW!!
Funny!
Dutch HTC site
http://www.htc.com/nl/product/touchpro2/specification.html
On the dutch HTC site it still says :
Speciale Functies FM Radio, G-Sensor
But it also says:
NB: Specificaties kunnen zonder nadere aankondiging gewijzigd worden
*Specifications can be changed without any warnings*
And it also still has the shorter battery times
Can you confirm the FM radio availability on the TP2 Europe version???
Oh NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... it certainly has changed. I remember reading FM Radio as well a while back. I hope this is a mistake.
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Oh NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... it certainly has changed. I remember reading FM Radio as well a while back. I hope this is a mistake.
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It's supid from HTC!!! If no FM radio, maybe no TP2 for me! I wait for the perfect smartphone...
In this review, the FM radio seems not present:
http://translate.google.com/transla...-touch-pro2.shtml&sl=ru&tl=en&history_state0=
Sorry wrong forum
Oh well... It seems like it has been confirmed... NO RADIO...
"Additional features
In the HTC Touch Pro 2 has a TV-Out feature to output the images to your TV, cable will have to use dokupat separately, it is not included in standard delivery. FM-radio in the office no."
If the translation was done correctly it has fm-radio. If you go to htc site and choose another country, e.g. spain you have the fm-radio listed.
It makes no sense on not having it but at the end:
"the worse camera, """"no radio"""""""", but there are special features that distinguish the unit simultaneously with other Touch-communicators, in the first place is Straight Talk."
Also on the review the screen shot of the device show bluetooth 2.1+edr and they wrote bluetooth 2.0 + edr ....
EDIT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkZlsS_lFo&feature=fvst
MIN 4.07 - FM RADIO is listed so it has fm-radio !!
So you reckon the translation is wrong? Ha ha ha... I read the page and it really didn't make much sense but I wouldn't of thought they can't even make a simple translation like 'no radio' correct. I hope you are correct mate!
another "prof" of radio built-in !!
The specs without the FM-Radio is new... maybe some language versions have not changed the specs...
Or maybe the quality of the radio is too bad and HTC decides remove the radio SW from the official roms
On Feb 27 of this year, this page listed the FM radio as one of the special features. It is gone from this page now, so something officially - and intentionally - was changed from the phone.
Kinda makes sense really. They are promoting it as a business phone, not a multimedia phone per se (though at the same time they are, like all good PR departments, trying to sell it as the most number of things to the most number of people possible). FM radio is really out of place on a business phone.
In return, they've upped the batter life from 270 to 390 hours for WCDMA and from 419 to 500 for GSM. Standby time has also increased 250 hours for WCDMA and 150 hours for GSM. Video call time increased 10 minutes
Otherwise there is no appreciable difference between the specs from then and now.
Personally I think it's a fair tradeoff, but I personally could not see myself making much use of FM radio when I can put 150 hours of my own music on a storage card, as well as a movie or two.
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On Feb 27 of this year, this page listed the FM radio as one of the special features. It is gone from this page now, so something officially - and intentionally - was changed from the phone.
Kinda makes sense really. They are promoting it as a business phone, not a multimedia phone per se (though at the same time they are, like all good PR departments, trying to sell it as the most number of things to the most number of people possible). FM radio is really out of place on a business phone.
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No, I want a business phone for my private and my job time... I want also listen news on the FM Radio during my travels...
Without radio, this phone is not totally that I want!
To finish, it's not really a business phone because the calendar tab of the new TF3D seems too light for business (But it's better than the standard TF3D)
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No, I want a business phone for my private and my job time... I want also listen news on the FM Radio during my travels...
Without radio, this phone is not totally that I want!
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Somewhere HTC undoubtedly has a marketing report that business users as a group value battery life over FM radio (it's entirely possible it says the same thing about personal users too).
It may not be totally what you want, but it is what the majority of people in their target market want, I'm guessing.
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Somewhere HTC undoubtedly has a marketing report that business users as a group value battery life over FM radio (it's entirely possible it says the same thing about personal users too).
It may not be totally what you want, but it is what the majority of people in their target market want, I'm guessing.
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They wouldn't have thrown in such a massive screen if they wanted longer battery life really.....and i don't think anybody wants radio cut off when even the crapiest phones even b4 6600 nokia had it !!
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They wouldn't have thrown in such a massive screen if they wanted longer battery life really.....and i don't think anybody wants radio cut off when even the crapiest phones even b4 6600 nokia had it !!
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Gaining ~200 hours by discarding the radio seems like a reasonable tradeoff for a business phone. The large screen is a much bigger plus than an FM radio.
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Gaining ~200 hours by discarding the radio seems like a reasonable tradeoff for a business phone. The large screen is a much bigger plus than an FM radio.
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we will see who's right at the end.....I remain with my opinion, apart from a business fone this is a multimedia beast which can't lack a basic thing as fm radio....we'll see
Hi guys
Followed the slightly concerning threads re the radio disappearing from the specs.
It is now back on the specs at Clove and never disappeared from the Expansys ones.
I called HTC UK support yesterday. They said to me that it was all still subject to change (as it would be officially until the shops get it) but their internal current spec still said it had an FM Radio.
Paul.
If that's what the current internal spec is then I'm pretty dang sure it will have it. That means that it's been designed to have it and removing it would just be removing the chip from the board. The chip is probably pretty dang cheap as it is. Then it would just be wasted space.
Specs don't just disappear from web pages for no reason. The main HTC site still shows the FM radio as not being included, when it used to be there. I'm hoping it will continue to be there, but somebody took it down for a reason, even if it wasn't taken down from all sites.
at this point, if they say it still has it, it likely still does. They have to be manufacturing them in mass by now with it being as close to the release as it is (least outside of the US). T-Mobile/AT&T may have the radio removed tho, it wouldn't surprise me for them to remove features (ie cmos camera). But who knows. Either way, i couldn't care less. I don't listen to the radio as it is. Not to say that others wouldn't want to, but technically, this is a business phone so a radio would seem a bit out of its way.
Personally, i would say, if they included a radio, they should also include a 3.5mm jack to Listen to it on.
That's pretty much my point. At this time, they most decidedly are not saying that it has it, when in February they specifically said on the same page that it was included. I hope it was right then and wrong now, but I have my doubts.
Business or phone phone
I do wish people would stop pandering to this rubbish.
No one buys a highend PDA phone (privately) to use it just as a business / organiser device or just as a fun / media device.
It is fair to say that some people won't mind if a radio or tv-out or gfx acceleration or decent camera or 3.5" jack is missing .... but that isn't a justification for HTC or anyone else not to put these things in on expensive new devices.
Most people I know that have a highend device like the HD or TP2 will probably want at some point to dump some movies to it and play it on an hotel TV when they are away with work because they don't have their Archos or ipod with them. This means that TV-Out and support of embedded gfx hardware should be a given.
Most people would prefer a proper wired headphone jack for wired listening of any description.
Many people find themselves on the train, at an airport or in a break and at some point may like to listen to the news. If you live in the UK or a country where most providers insist on realmedia for streaming, Resco News etc is no good ... you need a decent radio. PDA and phone manufacturers have demonstrated that hardware for this sort of thing is typically on chipset anyway and just needs enabling and exploiting in firmware.
HTC very irritatingly artificially leave these things out which makes the device in complete ... for no good reason other than to force people to either get two devices or feel frustrated from time to time (even if rarely) when they want to use things like the above.
The camera situation is the same. 30fps vga video is common place on SE and Nokia ... Apple and HTC should not be forgiven for not including it (yes ... I know the TD2 and TP2 now have it ... at last) ... also ... yes ... you'd expect if you were planning to take holiday snaps you'd take your Pentax or Canon SLR with you .. but often you want to take adhoc pictures .... why shouldn't they be of decent quality ... the technology is there and in mass production SE and Nokia have shown that it shouldn't raise the cost of the devices.
We shouldn't be so accepting about things like this ... it allows HTC to treat us with some contempt and encourages them to continue to do so.
All these devices they are bringing out ... long after the Snapdragon ... but still no sign of official support ... again ... getting people to buy last generation technology today. Are we forced to ... no ... but given their position in the market ... they still have no viable competition on the WM front ... they are exploiting that.
Sorry for the rant ....
Hope this helps...
Some food for though...
If HTC remove the FM radio, at this late stage (after some devices with it have been released) will they keep the chipset's the same?
If so I'm sure some of the guys on here could get the Drivers for it working again...
If such a project is needed, count me in, I'm missing FM radio from my Kaiser
Dave
Speaking of rubbish...
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HTC very irritatingly artificially leave these things out which makes the device in complete ... for no good reason other than to force people to either get two devices or feel frustrated from time to time (even if rarely) when they want to use things like the above.
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Yes, I'm sure that this is precisely the reason HTC does these things. Market analysis, purchase trends, customer preferences research - all of these things are meaningless next to the opportunity to make their customers irritated and frustrated.
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The camera situation is the same. 30fps vga video is common place on SE and Nokia ... Apple and HTC should not be forgiven for not including it (yes ... I know the TD2 and TP2 now have it ... at last) ... also ... yes ... you'd expect if you were planning to take holiday snaps you'd take your Pentax or Canon SLR with you .. but often you want to take adhoc pictures .... why shouldn't they be of decent quality ... the technology is there and in mass production SE and Nokia have shown that it shouldn't raise the cost of the devices.
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Define decent quality. I'm not sure what your gripe is here. Lack of a flash? OK, I can see that. But if you are complaining that you're not getting 30 FPS for your ad hoc videos, then HTC is just not the camera for you. Your priorities dictate the purchase of a different device. That's no reason to suggest that HTC is being intentionally annoying. They are making the decisions that will earn the highest sales for any given device in the markets for which they have seen they can effectively compete.
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Define decent quality. I'm not sure what your gripe is here. Lack of a flash? OK, I can see that. But if you are complaining that you're not getting 30 FPS for your ad hoc videos, then HTC is just not the camera for you. Your priorities dictate the purchase of a different device. That's no reason to suggest that HTC is being intentionally annoying. They are making the decisions that will earn the highest sales for any given device in the markets for which they have seen they can effectively compete.
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I read HTC somewhere (I forget where) that it will be removed because of battery life performance issues. HTC are still trying to make this a business phone (hence the conference calling and Straight Talk) so it makes sense that a business phone would benefit more from battery life than an FM radio.
Just my 2'cs
Dave
I have to ask this again. Why would a radio chip and software waste battery when it's not on? It just doesn't make sense. Please enlighten me!
any news?
it's weird to see the Radio feature still on the official italian specification web page ...but it's not anymore on the english page
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I have to ask this again. Why would a radio chip and software waste battery when it's not on? It just doesn't make sense. Please enlighten me!
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It's Possible the FM radio stuff can cause interference with other devices in such a small space, meaning more power is needed to overcome any distortion.
There might even be a form of idle state it keeps itself in. Take the radio feature on the mp3 player next to me, it doesn't scan through like normal unless you force it to retune. It presets itself stations it can find gets RDS for them and names them and keeps track of it when not using the radio feature and more annoying it will do this when the whole device is in it's standby mode and will do so unless fully turned off.
Personally I believe it's just an oversight when they updated the battery spec on the UK HTC page as mass production is likely to have started and removing it last minuet would have likely been costly.
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There might even be a form of idle state it keeps itself in. Take the radio feature on the mp3 player next to me, it doesn't scan through like normal unless you force it to retune. It presets itself stations it can find gets RDS for them and names them and keeps track of it when not using the radio feature and more annoying it will do this when the whole device is in it's standby mode and will do so unless fully turned off.
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I understand that if it's on standby mode, it may use up battery life. I mean if you leave software running in the background, it will run down your battery as well. So it's understandable.
But if you fully turned it off, it shouldn't kill battery life, cos it's not on, right? So, again, it doesn't make sense for battery life to lower, with or without the radio.
As you said, it could be HTC updating on the battery life spec because they got it wrong the first time round. And they thought the radio is no longer needed on this phone so they take it off as well.
I think this happened to the Samsung Omnia HD (not out till end of June) as well. GSM Arena just took another preview of it and some specs has changed prior to launch. They took the radio out as well.
So anything can happen until everything is set on launch date.
Just thought of a good reason to keep radio for business - GPS traffic data! GPS software use FM radio to receive the traffic data. if no radio, no traffic for GPS software.
Apart from no Radio, I just saw a couple of videos from you tube on TP2 reviews, it looks like the zoon bar is missing too.
I checked HTC's website and their gallery still shows the zoom bar. The videos were uploaded this week as well. So unless they took the video a while back and just uploaded it now, it looks like we are missing more features.
European Version Video Review
Asia CNET Version Video Review
Hope this is my mistake.
I just watched again and on the start of the video, I think I saw a glimpse of the zoom bar but never again afterwards. Maybe it's just so reflective, that I can't see the zoom bar. Maybe it is really me... being too imaginative
european video at 3.36 min, it's there !!!
Ha! You are correct! I saw the glimpse. Super reflective screen makes it hard to see on the video.
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Ha! You are correct! I saw the glimpse. Super reflective screen makes it hard to see on the video.
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which icont is it? i cant easily make out what one is the radio
1) Is the CPU on the Touch Pro2 underclocked?
2) Why in the world does only some Touch Pro2's have 3.5 mm headphone jacks while the others don't? Seriously the CEO's and decision makers of HTC need to get fired or resign, and let me take over. Freaking dumbasses.
I was asking myself the same question actually. It's definitely for the sake of business, they didn't include a 3.5 mm headphone jack in most of the models so that the users who own them would eventually switch to the ones that do have the jack integrated in the circuitry board. It might be a newer revision of the model, but what I don't understand is why the ones that have the headphone jacks are the ones that come with service providers packages. Maybe it's to encourage people to use their services instead of other Service providers packages? Whatever the reason may be, I'm sure it has been done that way to generate more income by following a studied plan or something similar.
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I was asking myself the same question actually. It's definitely for the sake of business, they didn't include a 3.5 mm headphone jack in most of the models so that the users who own them would eventually switch to the ones that do have the jack integrated in the circuitry board. It might be a newer revision of the model, but what I don't understand is why the ones that have the headphone jacks are the ones that come with service providers packages. Maybe it's to encourage people to use their services instead of other Service providers packages? Whatever the reason may be, I'm sure it has been done that way to generate more income by following a studied plan or something similar.
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Stop being so paranoid and negative.
The truth is that non of us really know the real reason. This is my guess though:
This thing had been in the plans for a while and at the last minute they started to see everyone clamoring for 3.5mm jacks and wanting them on their units. They were able to get them in to the touch pro units, but not right away and so the first ones didn't have it. Now, we're seeing it in the later ariving units like the US carrier branded phones. Though we don't know for sure, I'm guessing we'll see this in all of the CDMA variants and maybe some GSM.
I'm also guessing that we're seeing it on the CDMA unit first because it was made after the European GSM version due to lower priority. Might only see it on CDMA units.
With this recently being confirmed, could that significantly help dev outlook on this phone? Also, what is generally the compatibility with ROMs and other solutions working across these 2 phones? I'm new to this Android thing, so sorry if my questions are dumb.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-Spectrums-User-Guide-ready-for-your-perusal_id25546
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With this recently being confirmed, could that significantly help dev outlook on this phone? Also, what is generally the compatibility with ROMs and other solutions working across these 2 phones? I'm new to this Android thing, so sorry if my questions are dumb.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-Spectrums-User-Guide-ready-for-your-perusal_id25546
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Awesome news, that might actually help us out a bit. Didn't know that the Spectrum was the same device.
And with that dual-core 1.5GHz processor under the hood, you can expect the device to be responsive and fast
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They might change the tune once it actually released...
Well, to answer the question if they are portable across model/carrier lines, see THIS post, or follow its' thread for more info.
I think getting more of this phone out there, be it the optimus LTE, Nitro HD, Spectrum, Volare, etc. is definitely a good thing.
if any of those gets development, I don't see it being a far stretch to get that dev to work across the dif models.
To be honest, the models are ALL the same save for their baseband coverage. I have already demonstrated that the core hardware is no different to the kernels, just the cellular modems differentiate the models/carriers. one dev that comes up with a breakthrough means it can be used with all models (i want to add that it is possible in theory because we never know just _what_ LG will do to each carriers unit).
As of right now, all models of P930 are identical in regards to core hardware support from the kernel viewpoint.
You might recall i wrote a post that all units were not the same, i have been proven wrong as time progressed and we tested new theories and ROMs became available. I will always admit when i am wrong, as is this case though pleasantly!!
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They might change the tune once it actually released...
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LOL! It ain't that bad, cut this phone some slack. Again, hardware on this phone is just staggering, but the software is binding it down.
I can't put my finger on why, but I'm actually sort of interested in the LG Spectrum. I'm currently on an AMOLED DInc I got days after its release. A year later, I rooted it. A few weeks after that I switched to CM7. I couldn't be happier.
Well, maybe I could be happier... I'm due for an upgrade and really trying to hold out for a quad-core phone, but the Spectrum is intriguing. I think it has mostly to do with the potential for root and CM9 on a 720 screen and 4G LTE on Verizon.
Now if only it could do 20 hours of light to moderate usage.
i do not want to sound rude, but you do realize you are talking about the P930 for Verizon right?? the same phone we already have available from at&t, LG U+, Bell, SKTel etc. and we already have root and the current work in progress is CM5... maybe one day we will achieve higher than CM5, but we are all still trying to get CWM working and understand how LG setup this phone's OS.
The press releases for the Spectrum mention an optional 3000mAh extended battery. Will be great news if that fits in all the other models as well.
I didn't want to assume the Spectrum would achieve root right out of the gate...
But since it pretty much sounds like a given, I guess if I get one I should root, factory reset, de-bloat, and fine-tune some other settings (like disabling gestures). I'd also like to figure out how to disable LTE just to see its effect.
I'm fairly certain I'll be getting a Spectrum Thursday, so long as it seems decent. And it's strange how my CM7 AMOLED DInc seems to be crashing a lot more now that I'm due for an upgrade...
so, is there going to be a seperate forum for the spectrum?
Yeah, it would be nice to have an LG Spectrum forum...
So, I didn't pick one up this week. No matter how much I want the phone, I won't be picking one up unless my AMOLED DInc goes inoperable before June. Why? The Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 chipset is due out by then. I'm using THIS as my source.
Now matter how much I like the Spectrum (and after playing with it in the store, that's A LOT), I don't want to use my upgrade on an S3 phone. Granted, an S4 phone will probably be at least $300, but it should be a decent enough phone that I won't feel the need to get another phone until I'm due for another upgrade.
I did figure out that it's really easy to turn off LTE, though.
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Which method are you using yo.turn off LTE? I created a new APN, but picture messaging doesn't work.
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I went into (I believe) network settings and was able to tell the phone CDMA only, rather than CDMA/LTE. I don't remember the exact procedure, but those are definitely the two options. I was surprised how easy it was to figure out. A definite plus...
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