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Hi Everybody
My hermes is the following:
Vodafone 1605 ITA WM5
ROM: 2.07.165.1 (02/13/07)
Radio: 1.32.00.00
I don't know If I'm going to tryu the wm6 update, but, before even thinking about it, I want to make sure that I can restore it back to what it was in the beginning, in case anything goes wrong...
How can I save my Rom, radio and everything OR where can I find my exact rom and all the necessary stuff to revert it back?
I noticed a guide for wm5 downgrade, but that wolud probably only bring back wm5 in some form, and not MY wm5 and everything that comes with it...
I hope you understood what I mean
Is that even possible?
Thanks in advance
Happily, it's easy mate.
Download your original rom from the archive so you've got it to reinstall from. (Check your current versions of rom, radio, etc. to make sure it's the right one.)
When you want to downgrade, just plug in your phone and run the downloaded exe. It'll take LOADS longer for the 'old' rom to install than your upgrade to wm6 did. This is mainly because the 'old' (original) rom you download will install spl, ext rom, os, plash 1 + 2 and radio all at once.
Thats the easy way.
You could extract just the bits of the original you need to save time, but there are instructions in threads, wiki and downloads for that so I won't repeat it all here. It's Dutty's Good NBH Tool you'll be using (start your search with that if you want to go down that road).
Thanks for the quick reply
By "archive" do you mean this?
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Upgrades
So I guess my rom should be this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298541
It also matches my ROM and Radio version.
There's just one thing I don't understand... I looked at the WM6 guides on mrvanx.org, which show many many steps. Are you saying that I could just grab the latest original HTC exe update and launch it and it would update everything? And still only launch another exe to revert to the old stuff?
Then why do people take the risk and flash all the components separately? Just to use homemade roms?
Thanks
No, it's about the CID (area and carrier-specific idintifier) of your phone.
Your phone'll accept your old rom back because it's from the right country and carrier.
'Cooked' roms aren't the 'right' one for your phone and so you have to alter the phone so it won't care which rom you use. That's what all the messing about before installing wm6 is basically all about - to convince your phone that any CID is fine.
Similarly, I use OrangeUK as my provider and the phone 'wants' a hermes rom from them. Thusly you can't just download and use the latest HTC rom as it's not got the CID code your phone wants. Once you've used the OliPro software you'll be able to use all the roms you like.
The 'archive' is exactly what yopu found there, aye. With downloads coming in zips and rars I shouldn't have called that page the archive, soz.
As to the right rom, I wouldn't like to say, but if it's right country, carrier, radio and rom then you're laughing, download it and tuck it away safe.
Mine for example is the OrangeUK (ORANG001) one. The one with the AKU in bold. So that's been on my laptop since day one of having my hermes.
http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/
all your questions answered here!
chunkymonkey said:
No, it's about the CID (area and carrier-specific idintifier) of your phone.
Your phone'll accept your old rom back because it's from the right country and carrier.
'Cooked' roms aren't the 'right' one for your phone and so you have to alter the phone so it won't care which rom you use. That's what all the messing about before installing wm6 is basically all about - to convince your phone that any CID is fine.
Similarly, I use OrangeUK as my provider and the phone 'wants' a hermes rom from them. Thusly you can't just download and use the latest HTC rom as it's not got the CID code your phone wants. Once you've used the OliPro software you'll be able to use all the roms you like.
The 'archive' is exactly what yopu found there, aye. With downloads coming in zips and rars I shouldn't have called that page the archive, soz.
As to the right rom, I wouldn't like to say, but if it's right country, carrier, radio and rom then you're laughing, download it and tuck it away safe.
Mine for example is the OrangeUK (ORANG001) one. The one with the AKU in bold. So that's been on my laptop since day one of having my hermes.
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Ok that wes pretty clear
Let me just see if I got it right.
To go WM6:
- Upgrade CID to an unlocked version
- Either
1. Use HTC official exe upgrade, which updates ROM, ExtROM and Radio
or
2. Update Radio first and then ROM+ExtROM with a custom version
To revert to Vodafone WM5:
It's not assured that my radio can be safely downgraded (http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=27), so:
- Use Dutty's tool to extract my Vodafone ROM+ExtROM (no Radio) from the exe
- Downgrade SPL (not mandatory)
- Flash Vodafone ROM+ExtROM
Kinda?...
Yep, kinda!
But if you're planning to upgrade to WM6 with the correct VODAFONE release for your device you do not need to CID unlock your device and all that crap!
Sorry, I am not trying to confuse you!
Here an example:
Lets say you have an HTC Hermes from Vodafone UK with WM5 on there!
If Vodafone UK provides you an WM6 upgrade on their site (or if you find it in the 'archive' here in the Wiki then you do not have to CID unlock but you can run the upgrade without doing anything more than downloading the ROM and running it.
After you upgraded with the Vodafone UK WM6 you can 'downgrade' again with the Vodafone UK WM5 without any problems - even here a CID unlock is not necessary! Both ROMs contain the same CID code because of they are from the same provider.
A CID unlock is only necessary if you are planning to flash your device with ROMs which are not from your network provider, as example you want to flash a Hermes ROM from O2 UK to your Vodafone UK device. O2 UK is a different network provider and has a different CID code. Therefore your phone would refuse the upgrade and give you an error message WRONG VENDER ID!
CID unlock will trick your phone and it just does not care anymore about the VENDER ID (CID code) submitted by the ROM you're trying to flash!
The best way for you to play around with that stuff for a while might be to use SOFT_SSPL.exe to temporarely 'CID unlock' your phone. If you think that you really need it permanently CID unlocked because of you're going to flash it a lot then download the Hermes_Unlocker_3a which will do the job for you!
Please keep in mind that you will lose all data in your device when flashing!
Thanks again, and no, you are not confusing me
In fact, the only reason why I skipped that solution is because there's no official WM6 upgrade from Vodafone IT
Actually I like that SOFT_SSPL.exe thingy... Does it mean that my CID is unlocked just for the time of flashing or what?
And... it seems that you talk about CID and SPL like if they were the same thing... what's the difference?
Thx
Yes.
You will have to copy the soft.sspl.exe to your pda and run it from there. Just have your stuff ready for flashing before doing so.
The soft_sspl.exe is not writing anything to your ppc permanently. After flashing it is gone.
Please read the UPGRADING FOR BEGINNERS section in the Wiki carefully, even about bootloaders and all that crap before starting to flash!
TAKEN FROM THE HERMES WIKTIONARY in the Wiki section:
CID
The CID (Carrier ID) of the device is a setting which determines which carrier ROMs should be allowed to run on the device, a table of valid CIDs can be found in the wiki pages. All bootloaders (apart from HardSPL and SSPL) will only allow a ROM with the correct CID to be flashed onto the device. A device which has been CID unlocked will have 'SuperCID' which allows ANY ROM to be loaded onto the device, SuperCID also unlocks the Ext_ROM and allows it to be mounted.
SPL
See Bootloader.
SSPL
SSPL is a modified bootloader (by Des) which is loaded into RAM when run, this allows us to overwrite any aspect of the ROM, Radio or Bootloader far easier than using mtty. See the official thread for more info.
Do be aware that almost everyone ignores SSPL and upgrades their bootloader and SuperCIDs their phone with the OliPro software.
Although I always use SSPL myself, that's only because I keep a 'safety-net' copy of my own provider's most recent official ROM on my storage card. That way if I naff up the upgrade to wm6 and 'brick' my phone, I can easily restore it to out of the box condition without a PC.
(If you were thinking about using SSPL to avoid altering your bootloader - and remember you'd be going against the grain on this one - can I at least recommend you go here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_SDCardFlashing and set yourself up a HERMIMG.nbh on your microsd card before considering it? You don't want to go from all excited to gutted and no hermes.)
chunkymonkey said:
Do be aware that almost everyone ignores SSPL and upgrades their bootloader and SuperCIDs their phone with the OliPro software.
Although I always use SSPL myself, that's only because I keep a 'safety-net' copy of my own provider's most recent official ROM on my storage card. That way if I naff up the upgrade to wm6 and 'brick' my phone, I can easily restore it to out of the box condition without a PC.
(If you were thinking about using SSPL to avoid altering your bootloader - and remember you'd be going against the grain on this one - can I at least recommend you go here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_SDCardFlashing and set yourself up a HERMIMG.nbh on your microsd card before considering it? You don't want to go from all excited to gutted and no hermes.)
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Thanks for this really helpful advice!
I'll try to do some research on this option before doing anything, just to make sure that I know all the options before taking a definite road...
I still need to figure out what are the disadvantages of going HardSPL instead of using SSPL every time and if it's worth to update the radio firmware to the latest version, instead of just keeping my own.
If all radio functions seem good and reliable you could leave the radio upgrade.
On a 'new radio version' thread try to find any references from a user from your own country, region within that country and provider as regards any radio versions. each new one is simply the most recent that a provider somewhere has brought out. the latest version number by no means that any given phone on X provider in X region of X country will be improved. It could easily be worsened.
Another way to do it, and very long-winded, is to flash the latest radio and, if dissatisfied, go backward thorugh the versions till you get it performing satisfactorily.
If you're happy wwith your radio performance don't change it tbh. Just my opinion on that, some people may differ.
Gatz said:
... I still need to figure out what are the disadvantages of going HardSPL instead of using SSPL every time and if it's worth to update the radio firmware to the latest version, instead of just keeping my own.
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HardSPL will be permanently written (hard-coded) to your phone! This can be a problem if you have to mail in your phone for service! You would lose your warranty!
SSPL is just temporary for the moment. It executes from the RAM until the flash job is finished. Afterwards it is gone!
BTW: I made some experiments on my 8525:
It was not very difficult to 'undo' HardSPL! I simply took my original shipped ROM image file (nbh) and flashed it entirely with CustomRUU - afterwards HardSPL was gone.
If I ever get a new device I will use SSPL only. All you have to do, is, to copy it to your SD card and run it when you want to flash your device. That makes it only 1 more step compared to having your phone HardSPLed ...
Mmm, considering both your answers, I might go for SSPL, at least for the first time.
I thought that the official HTC update contained also a new radio version, so there should be no difference between carriers... that's a point that confuses me a bit.
I mean, are there HTC radios as opposed to Vodafone radios and so on?
is there a radio cab install for .05?
i dont want to hspl my phone. there are so many different hspl's out there im confused ;((
There is no such thing as a cab for a radio flash. Well, not any I would know of.
^.^
If you want a new radio, you'll have to flash.
Yes, the radio comes in a .nb or .nbh, not a .cab Find the Radio that you want, download it and use the RUU exe to get it on the phone.
You have all existing radios for this device here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=407956
HastaSSSS
Can anyone link me to a 3.42.40 Vogue radio flash?
I haven't been able to find it.
Thanks
I have the Bell radio which is 3.42.50 but not .40. If you need this let me know and I will upload to rapidshare or megaupload.
hers a directory of a bunch of vogue radios
http://dcd1182.n715dp.com/index.php?dir=vogue/radios/
How Do I Install A New Radio? And If It Doesn't Work How Do I Go Back To The One I Already Have?
ppc vogue 100 sprint
does it work for my sprint ppc vogue 100
Rydah805 said:
How Do I Install A New Radio? And If It Doesn't Work How Do I Go Back To The One I Already Have?
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Look at my guide for step by step on how to install a new radio.
cily_666 said:
does it work for my sprint ppc vogue 100
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It should.
yes it should.
EASY WAY TO FLASH VIA SD CARD:
1) Download radio.
2) Rename NBH files to say VOGUIMG.nbh
3) Put phone into bootloader mode and it should do it on its own.
4) Reboot the phone. It should say 3.xx on startup.
Hi,
Could anyone tell me the Stock radio that would come with T-mobile UK, i need to unroot restore my Desire HD to send it for repair..
Also, anyone know where i can get the original t-mobile splash?
Thanks..
colonel_lp said:
Hi,
Could anyone tell me the Stock radio that would come with T-mobile UK, i need to unroot restore my Desire HD to send it for repair..
Also, anyone know where i can get the original t-mobile splash?
Thanks..
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radios wont be a problem as they are updated with every official update.. and i couldnt find any tmobile splash screen.. but i make many but i dont have the rite pic to make any splash
I have a brand new T mobile branded DHD. I've only rooted, S OFF, ENG S OFF and SimUnocked it. tell me how to do a stock radio and i can help
thanks for your replies, i was hoping not to use the OTA as i will have to downgrade again. If you know if the OTA will also replace my splash screen with the original then i may do it.
@Rangnarok - could you tell me what the software version and baseband version are in setting>about phone.,I dont think you can extract a radio from the phone. Im not sure how you would extract the splash also. I know there are tools to flash them, but im not back home until tomorrow so i will have a look and if i can find a safe easy way i will PM you... thanks
Ok, to make sure I have what you need, I confirm again that, the Phone is new. I only Rooted. S-OFF and ENG S-OFF. It has a T-mobile splash screen, CID is TMOB005 at the moment.
Android version: 2.2
Baseband: 12.28b.60.140eU_26.03.02.26_M
Build number: 1.39.110.1 CL278886
I have made a back-up ROm, using ClockWorkMod, so I am not sure if this is what you are looking for?
I am researching to flashing a custom ROM on it. So hopefully I can help you before doing so
many thanks for the information, it was exactly what i was looking for, i have a backup of the stock rom that came with my phone, it just that it doesnt contain the radio, now i know the one it shipped with i can download it.
will get back to you on the splash screen, flashing a custom rom does not change this so have fun flashing.
I would reccomend trying the cyanogenMod 7 Rom, it has great customizable features, and once you get used to not having sense there will be no going back. The only thing i would look out for is i have noticed that GPS can be hit and miss with different roms, if you use it alot like i do then try using it before you spend too much time with one rom.
cheers
I have had a look inside the backup folder. It has
boot.img
system.img
etc
but nothing that indicates a radio back up. Is this already included in some file in the folder?
radio is not backed up. But there is a thread in dev that has a link to download different radio versions, i just wasnt sure which one came with a stock T-mobile phone.
There is a T-Mobile DE RUU available, you can download that, and get rom.zip from it. Then you can find splash1.img inside the rom.zip. I am pretty sure that T-Mobile DE's and UK's splashes are similar.
thanks for that jkoljo. I should have thought that i could get it from any t-mobile rom as long as the res is the same.
Been meaning to ask you, you quote "It will create a backup of your phone partition 7 (radio config) to the root of your sdcard, I recommend to keep that somewhere really safe!" from your radio tool thread. Does this mean the whole original radio is backed up and i can restore it from that?
Nope, it is not the radio, just radio configuration partition. The radio configuration has lots of important system values in it. Radio reads values from that config partition, and then acts accordingly. Radio is an important part of the system, and it does more than you could imagine
Rangnarok said:
I have a brand new T mobile branded DHD. I've only rooted, S OFF, ENG S OFF and SimUnocked it. tell me how to do a stock radio and i can help
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I have sent you a PM, let me know what you think
Hi, so I've been trying to get the right radio for me and my friend with DHD (I have Inspire 4G and do not get any 3G signal) has this radio: 12.65.60.29_26.14.04.28_M. I found a download link on this site ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9891546&postcount=1 but I am unable to flash it. I noticed the ZIP file does not contain "android-info.txt" file. I know how to flash a radio with bootloader and I was successful in flashing other radios but it seems that it cannot be flashed without the file or the file itself is corrupted.
So does anyone know how to flash it or does anybody have the ZIP file with android-info.txt ? thanks a lot people!
edit: oh and... the downloaded file does not pass the checksum test.
edit2: just wondering. there are three antennas on DHD. One for GPS (under flashlight cover), one at sim cover and one at battery cover. which one of these last two is for 3G signals? contacts might be bad or damaged
Xaverek said:
Hi, so I've been trying to get the right radio for me and my friend with DHD (I have Inspire 4G and do not get any 3G signal) has this radio: 12.65.60.29_26.14.04.28_M. I found a download link on this site ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9891546&postcount=1 but I am unable to flash it. I noticed the ZIP file does not contain "android-info.txt" file. I know how to flash a radio with bootloader and I was successful in flashing other radios but it seems that it cannot be flashed without the file or the file itself is corrupted.
So does anyone know how to flash it or does anybody have the ZIP file with android-info.txt ? thanks a lot people!
edit: oh and... the downloaded file does not pass the checksum test.
edit2: just wondering. there are three antennas on DHD. One for GPS (under flashlight cover), one at sim cover and one at battery cover. which one of these last two is for 3G signals? contacts might be bad or damaged
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To flash radio from that site you need ENG S-OFF which WILL MESS YOUR DEVICE. Check this thread (Inspire 4G and DHD radios are compatible as they are the same phone with different frequencies) to get a PD98IMG folder or use the guide in my signature to get an empty one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1106324
glevitan said:
To flash radio from that site you need ENG S-OFF which WILL MESS YOUR DEVICE. Check this thread (Inspire 4G and DHD radios are compatible as they are the same phone with different frequencies) to get a PD98IMG folder or use the guide in my signature to get an empty one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1106324
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since I have been successful in flashing radios from that site I guess I already have ENG S-OFF (although I don't know how to determine it, I know I did some S-OFF). The thing is, I think I need the exact radio version I posted above since it should finally give me 3G. I am located in Central Europe and I believe those radios are mainly for USA, are they not? Also,
Q. Why not just go to the Desire HD thread for Radio and RIL files?
A. Because we own an Inspire. While these phones are almost identical, the software used on each is NOT always compatible. This includes Radio images.
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so now I just don't get it
Xaverek said:
since I have been successful in flashing radios from that site I guess I already have ENG S-OFF (although I don't know how to determine it, I know I did some S-OFF). The thing is, I think I need the exact radio version I posted above since it should finally give me 3G. I am located in Central Europe and I believe those radios are mainly for USA, are they not? Also,
so now I just don't get it
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S-OFF is not ENG S-OFF...so if you have ENG S-OFF in the bootloader you will see ACE PVT ENG S-OFF....
From the thread I linked you, you have compatible radios for DHD and Inspire...many of the radios are compatible thou not all of them have been tested. I have used many DHD radios in my Inspire and had no issues at all.
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S-OFF is not ENG S-OFF...
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I figured as much.
since I have ACE PVT SHIP S-OFF RL in my bootloader, I don't understand HOW could I flash that radio if I need to be ENG S-OFF in order to do so... or does it just seem to be flashed and in fact it is not?
Xaverek said:
I figured as much.
since I have ACE PVT SHIP S-OFF RL in my bootloader, I don't understand HOW could I flash that radio if I need to be ENG S-OFF in order to do so... or does it just seem to be flashed and in fact it is not?
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Have you read the thread I linked you? there is the key....you have to flash radios as PD98IMG.zip files in the bootloader. That is the safest way, anyway.
glevitan said:
Have you read the thread I linked you? there is the key....you have to flash radios as PD98IMG.zip files in the bootloader. That is the safest way, anyway.
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I always download the ZIP package, rename to PD98IMG.zip, copy it to my SD card, reboot to bootloader, flash the radio, reboot the phone. Never did it different. And gave me error only once, only when the radio I need does not have android-something.txt file in the package.
I just need those packages with correct radio version and according RIL. and I'd like to know which antenna is which. so if anybody has or knows, please, do tell me.
Xaverek said:
I always download the ZIP package, rename to PD98IMG.zip, copy it to my SD card, reboot to bootloader, flash the radio, reboot the phone. Never did it different. And gave me error only once, only when the radio I need does not have android-something.txt file in the package.
I just need the package with correct radio version. and I'd like to know which antenna is which. so if anybody has or knows, please, do tell me.
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For the 3rd time...read what I linked. I can not do your job, can I? why are you not reading?
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For the 3rd time...read what I linked. I can not do your job, can I? why are you not reading?
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is there anything specific you want me to read outloud? there is NOT the correct version I need (well there is, but it is just incomplete). I know how to flash it, I know there are "slight differences" between inspire 4g and DHD (according to the topic) but I do not have the correct package so I could rename it and flash it. I tried. Oh yes I tried. Did not work. Wouldnt flash. So I just need a link to the correct version. If you don't have it, please, leave it.
MD5 is not the same in the post as on the file and there is one file less in the package than in other packages of different radios.
BTW, I am not asking you to do my work, I am just asking if anyone has it. I tried to google it, all of the links I have found are dead (or making me download some youtube downloader). Oh and I am reading.
you know what? somebody lock this thread, please... I think I want to figure this one out myself. Even if it means not having 3G in my phone. I am not going to let glevitan make fun of me. dunno who's not reading.