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sturgis said:
What are the differences?
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No answer for question...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=317796
I would suggest trying both if you unsure
In my humble opinion an official Rom never has the toys a cooked custiom made rom has.
I tend to stick to Roms made by the same people as they know what they are doing. Lke at the Moment To Codon hasnt let me down at all.
In the past Mda buzz dev etc etc etc have all done sterling work on various devices.
I dint tend to install a Rom without knowing who made it has done something well before, and with good comments and feedback.
As I say in my pinion Tom can be relied on and the Rom is sweet
Black and blue is the official rom with lots of stuff added on. While I like a lot of the B&B I hate a lot of it also.
So I personally go for Official then add the bits I Want.
But if you want the fast approach to a nice looking rom then go B&B. You also have to be careful as they often include bits that can make the rom unstable.
For example, I changed my settings to include file system cache to speed things up but the device would lock up loads. Also, HTC x-button 1.51 causes MAJOR system instability, while B&B uses the more stable 1.5 if included in future releases you can expect a whole load of problems.
Thanks
Thanks for your answers.
If I understood, both are basically the same, but with a custom one some apps are added.
What is the advantage of this over installing them yourself?
Is more space efficient maybe?
I just bought my p3300 via internet (and I still don't have it) but I have a qteck s100 for the last 4 years, which I customized in a very nice way.
They only reason I waited was because I was not convinced about the CPU speed (and I'm still not convinced buy now I could find it cheap enough to try), so maybe using B&B rom will make it more efficient, am I right?
Cheers
I don't think the P3300 will be much faster than the S100, but it's fast enough to do it's daily tasks (calendar, gps, games).
The B&B 3.7 has about 32 mb of free space after installation. When you install most applications on the micro-SD card, the P3300 will stay relatively fast.
The main advantage of flashing a custom rom is that you don't have to customize it so much yourself (if you like the features).
After installing WM6 3.5 rom I installed the HTC Touch Comm manager, a black smart dialer, WM5torage, HTC X-button 1.5 and some other stuff which are allready in B&B 3.7, so for me the choice was easy.
Most ROM cookers make a list of customizations they made. Choose the one you like the most, read the thread for possible problems and install the ROM you want....
Gwystyl said:
I don't think the P3300 will be much faster than the S100, but it's fast enough to do it's daily tasks (calendar, gps, games).
The B&B 3.7 has about 32 mb of free space after installation. When you install most applications on the micro-SD card, the P3300 will stay relatively fast.
The main advantage of flashing a custom rom is that you don't have to customize it so much yourself (if you like the features).
After installing WM6 3.5 rom I installed the HTC Touch Comm manager, a black smart dialer, WM5torage, HTC X-button 1.5 and some other stuff which are allready in B&B 3.7, so for me the choice was easy.
Most ROM cookers make a list of customizations they made. Choose the one you like the most, read the thread for possible problems and install the ROM you want....
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B&B has 32 mb of free space. If I install official wm6 I guess I would have more, don't I?
If the main advantage is that I don't have to customize it, this is not an advantage for me, as customizing is link to each individual.
If cooked roms are more efficient in terms of space, resources, and performance then yes, this is a good reason.
Is everything that its packed into a cooked rom taking less space than if I do it myself?
Cheers
I'm installing
"RUU_Artemis_DOPODASIA_WWE_3.7.707.1_4.1.13.30_02.69.90_Ship.exe"
Is correct?
Ready !! All OK
sturgis said:
What are the differences?
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Well.. for people using P800 series able to use both: Official HTC & Tom's B&B
but people using M700 / HTC Love they only have one choice: Tom B&B!
so Tom's B&B its a miracle, a life saviour!
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I chose Tom's ROM because I wanted a good German version of it. The only official version was from O2 and I don't have the XDA Orbit but a HTC P3300 and didn't want the O2 Splash Screen or the custom O2 settings in my connections. Since it is very annoying to remove all of them by myself I took Tom's version. And HTC hasn't released their own official version, I don't want to wait an eternity.
Actually I installed the official ROM and made some customizations to it (Kaiser Home Plugin etc.) and I ended up with something very similar to Tom's ROM. So if I would flash again I will go for his solution!
TheOnly1 said:
Actually I installed the official ROM and made some customizations to it (Kaiser Home Plugin etc.) and I ended up with something very similar to Tom's ROM. So if I would flash again I will go for his solution!
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I still don't understand the advantages...
Is B&B packing a some nice utilities taking less space? does it optimize the memory, battery, speed?
I bought my p3300 from htc and I am getting it in one hour
Probably it will come with WM5. Where could I get WM6 official?
One thing I assume that the WM6 is going to be better is stability and reliability. Am I right?
does Tom ROM include italian Language?
Its all down to personal choice, they are pretty much identical except toms B&B comes with the nice bits pre-installed. Do you want everything in the rom? If not go for the official one and add on the bits you want (like me).
I have found WM5Storage can leave your device a little unstable, especially if you use it for storing email attachments and your IE cache.
Tryid both
Your can just try both
I will say this though - Without people like "King Tom" - guys like me would not even be close to learning to flash any ROM at all. The work thise guys are doing is great, and i Love the 3.7 ROM...
I think it depends off how many programs you want to install and configure your-selv in they end
for hermes ^_^ ,
what is the best rom today? with touchflo...
K's Rom was suggested to me and the touchflo seems to work great. Just FYI u have to install it after u flash the rom.
There any bugs with ks? i use schaps 3.57 right now ... , just 25mb program ram :\ , is ks rom much better?
+what is radio rom? :\
I just switched from schaps to K's, and K's is much faster and more responsive for me.
My understanding of the radio is that it's the software or whatever that makes the actual cell phone part of your device works...it controls how good of a signal you get and how much of your battery it drains. I just upgraded mine to the newest version today...I havn't noticed any different, but then again I wouldn't have as it's only been 15 minutes. I think the radio is usually independant of the ROM you have, however some ROMs will come with a radio too (I think mostly the "official" release ROMS). I could be wrong on all of that, I really don't know much about this
henz12345 said:
There any bugs with ks? i use schaps 3.57 right now ... , just 25mb program ram :\ , is ks rom much better?
+what is radio rom? :\
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You need to go to K's thread and read the posts for all the performance comments & questions...
Perhaps anybody wanting to finally get an idea of how GOOD a ROM is should show thier interest at this thread would be worth it??
Hi guys,
Dont know how about yours, bu my trinity even cannot play video after I have manila 2D in my rom! The system will show me "there are not enough memory to play this video" just after a few second I load it.
My point is, we buy wm phone is for running many programs that we interested in. But with manila 2D, our trinity can no longer complete most of tasks properly. So, is manila 2D really a good UI for us?
Hope cooks can make lite roms, and manila 2D cab. Then people can install it if they really like it. For others, we can still have a fast, reliable device to do everything we like!
Manila uses too much resource as trinity has only 64MB Ram
i agreed. it also makes other oem apps behaved differently and often lead to insufficient memory issue. i think it might works well with other devices.
i also agree with you. With Manila battery consumption is also very high
John-Wu said:
i also agree with you. With Manila battery consumption is also very high
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hi, dude, I found the same problem too.
with manila 2D my trinity will run out of battery in only 2 days, even I dont do anything.
I think your poll says it all. 50:50 response, more or less.
At the end of the day, it all depends what you use your device for.
High application users can not expect their device to run well with Manila2D. That seems to be accepted by all ROM cooks. (It would be like a serious runner expecting to get good use out of a pair of Nikes, Pumas or Y3 Yamamotos - can't be done, even if they are up to 60% off).
Low application users can, however, enjoy Manila2D. With mpenguin's customiser tool, the possibilities for theme generation and customization are endless. That's why it's one of the busiest threads in here!
Mattster.
Pushing the Trinity to it's Limits!!!
Please see my post here for my thoughts on this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2842722&postcount=32
It's all about free RAM. Unfortunately we can't convert storage to free RAM.
Deactivate Manilla2D from your Settings>Today and reboot. Free ram increases from 23MB to 28MB. Also depends on the way you have HTC TaskManager configured. Services running in background like largetitlebar, htcvolume, sqm. NETCF3.5 and why didn't MSFT released it yet on wm6.1 and on newest builds.
Battery consumption: how can an app draw battery without using energy consumption hardware such as lcd, sd card and comms? I suggest that indicated values might not be real...
Mattster_spv said:
I think your poll says it all. 50:50 response, more or less.
At the end of the day, it all depends what you use your device for.
High application users can not expect their device to run well with Manila2D. That seems to be accepted by all ROM cooks. (It would be like a serious runner expecting to get good use out of a pair of Nikes, Pumas or Y3 Yamamotos - can't be done, even if they are up to 60% off).
Low application users can, however, enjoy Manila2D. With mpenguin's customiser tool, the possibilities for theme generation and customization are endless. That's why it's one of the busiest threads in here!
Mattster.
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hahaha, you are funny.
my point is vanilla rom is good, not manila rom
g77 said:
It's all about free RAM. Unfortunately we can't convert storage to free RAM.
Deactivate Manilla2D from your Settings>Today and reboot. Free ram increases from 23MB to 28MB. Also depends on the way you have HTC TaskManager configured. Services running in background like largetitlebar, htcvolume, sqm. NETCF3.5 and why didn't MSFT released it yet on wm6.1 and on newest builds.
Battery consumption: how can an app draw battery without using energy consumption hardware such as lcd, sd card and comms? I suggest that indicated values might not be real...
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g77 I do agree on your view, but the fact is, trinity will consume more power after we install some software, like S2U or Manila2D...... And I have seen many people report that.
I'm currently running "WWE_20755_Lite_Black_Pandora" found here.
It's not the LIGHTEST rom I've ever run, but it sure does run smoothly and quickly! I'm staying around 50% memory, and I have not found a bug yet. You can add all the apps you like or keep them out, it's up to you. It's using build 20755.
Great work Team CV93+Oggi !!
Manila uses too much resource!!!
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Manila uses too much resource!!!
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The one I link to above is Manila Free... Like I say, MUCH quicker running and More Memory. I do miss the Manila Interface, but my phone needs to be more reliable on a day to day basis. I'll still try Manila ROMs as they come out though.
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I'm currently running "WWE_20755_Lite_Black_Pandora" found here.
It's not the LIGHTEST rom I've ever run, but it sure does run smoothly and quickly! I'm staying around 50% memory, and I have not found a bug yet. You can add all the apps you like or keep them out, it's up to you. It's using build 20755.
Great work Team CV93+Oggi !!
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Thanks Super Sport , However I would like to have your expert advice on the full manila2d version
Best regards
chanvi93 said:
Thanks Super Sport , However I would like to have your expert advice on the full manila2d version
Best regards
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Ok chanvi93,
I will admit, that out of all the Manila M2D ROMs that I tried, "WWE_M2D_BLUE_Pandora" was on my phone the longest. For those who wonder, it can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=436424
It was the smoothest, with most things working for my needs. Of course that's just MY opinion, but for me it worked the best.
There are of course MANY Great ROMs out now, and I suggest everyone try them all to find the one that fits their needs. It's really fun to try each, and see if you can find workarounds for each of their little quirks. But so far, I cannot find any quirks in the "WWE_20755_Lite_Black_Pandora" version.
I hope this helped!
HI, I agree with ppl who talk about RAM, because i use tomtom and is dificult to use with manila in my trin.
(sorry my inglish)
I am just currently trying my first manilla rom- Karamba last. I liked it for the first few days as i was on holidays and not using it much- now i am back in the real world manila is just too resource hungry to work well. Cant run core player and mysporttraining at same time in gym, programs keep crashing on me.
I am going to try and disable manilla and try it with just spb mobile shell- i will give that a few days before i go to the lite rom mentioned above- that was my second option.....
Hey
are there a navigation software (tomtom, navigon.....) that are batteryfreindly, to the HTC HD?
I Use IGO 8.
-Daniel
Probably not seen as the software simply enables the GPS hardware and it's that that drains your battery.
You could try flashing a different rom though, some give improved battery life all round.
some idears to witch rom that should be?
Dutty's 3.9 Turbo works fine with iGO and battery lasts better than any rom i tryed.
Hi,
I'm currently on a stock ROM but I don't have enough memory anymore to install the apps that I want so I'm finally planning to make the step towards installing a custom ROM.
Unfortunatly there are so many (Leedroid, MIUI, CyanogenMod, ...) that a noob like me doesn't see the trees through the forest anymore
What are the ROM's (+ version) that the experienced flashers over here recommend?
I have a couple of prerequisites ;-)
- good battery life
- stable & everything working (bt, wifi, gps, ...)
- fast
- shortcuts to wifi, bt, data, gps, ... in the notification area
- all apps movable to SD card
Thanks for helping me making up my mind ;-)
PS I use launcherpro so sense or no sense doesn't matter
Cheers
B
EDIT 06/04:
OK I've tested a couple of GB ROMS: Oxygen, Redux and CM7
Overall functionality was very good on all of them although there are still some things on GB I'm not happy with
Basically reverted back to my Froyo
Anybody got a good fully functioning Froyo rom with good battery life and apps2sd?
berre said:
Hi,
I'm currently on a stock ROM but I don't have enough memory anymore to install the apps that I want so I'm finally planning to make the step towards installing a custom ROM.
Unfortunatly there are so many (Leedroid, MIUI, CyanogenMod, ...) that a noob like me doesn't see the trees through the forest anymore
What are the ROM's (+ version) that the experienced flashers over here recommend?
I have a couple of prerequisites ;-)
- good battery life
- stable & everything working (bt, wifi, gps, ...)
- fast
- shortcuts to wifi, bt, data, gps, ... in the notification area
- all apps movable to SD card
Thanks for helping me making up my mind ;-)
PS I use launcherpro so sense or no sense doesn't matter
Cheers
B
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this is a useful post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016084
personal opinion on the best roms available
Root -> S-OFF -> Bravo CM7 HBOOT -> CyanogenMod 7
And you will never use anything else.
Also its not worth moving all apps to SD, because SD card is much slower than phone internal memory. And so it wont be fast then.
Oxygen 2.x drains only 1% of my battery on standby every 4 hours with wifi on. VERY stable, havent found a single issue during 1 week of intensive testing. Its very fast... I have tried faster ones but at the cost of stability/incompatibility/issues with certain apps. It checks all your boxes, I cant recommend it enough.
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Oxygen 2.x drains only 1% of my battery on standby every 4 hours with wifi on. VERY stable, havent found a single issue during 1 week of intensive testing. Its very fast... I have tried faster ones but at the cost of stability/incompatibility/issues with certain apps. It checks all your boxes, I cant recommend it enough.
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Is this the what you mean?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WudAoz0uFbE
That's RC2 but I guess you are using a newer release? Can you post the link pls.
It def does look fast!
I don't see wifi, bt, gps, ... toggles in the notification area, is that something you can set? It's not a dealbreaker but would be nice.
Cheers
B
k3lcior said:
Root -> S-OFF -> Bravo CM7 HBOOT -> CyanogenMod 7
And you will never use anything else.
Also its not worth moving all apps to SD, because SD card is much slower than phone internal memory. And so it wont be fast then.
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Hi,
I already found a couple of posts somewhere where people were mentionning worse battery performance with this ROM. I can't remember which version they were speaking of, but have there been battery improvements on this ROM?
What's your experience with it battery-wise?
additional questions:
- can you configure the toggles in the notification area to your liking? e.g. wifi - data network - bt - gps - vibrate
- is the dialer t9?
Thx!!
B
I would recommend you try AuraxTSense for decent battery life with all the other things that you want from a ROM. I have used it more than anything until last night when i installed iNsertCoin HD which is also pretty smooth.
I would suggest Redux 1.1.x
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=896213
It's stable, fast and the battery are outstanding.
i'll never change rom again
berre said:
Is this the what you mean?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WudAoz0uFbE
That's RC2 but I guess you are using a newer release? Can you post the link pls.
It def does look fast!
I don't see wifi, bt, gps, ... toggles in the notification area, is that something you can set? It's not a dealbreaker but would be nice.
Cheers
B
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=971904
I guess you can remove the notification power widget if you choose to, maybe the user on that video did so, or maybe that feature wasn't implemented on RC2. Anyway latest version is 2.0.3, you can download it with the link I provided above and YES, there is a notification power widget included that you can configure as you like: Buttons, order, behaviour and everything.
berre said:
Hi,
I already found a couple of posts somewhere where people were mentionning worse battery performance with this ROM. I can't remember which version they were speaking of, but have there been battery improvements on this ROM?
What's your experience with it battery-wise?
additional questions:
- can you configure the toggles in the notification area to your liking? e.g. wifi - data network - bt - gps - vibrate
- is the dialer t9?
Thx!!
B
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Yeah, the battery drain issue has been fixed on latest versions, it wasnt AdamG's fault (he is the Oxygen developer), it has affected several different roms here around, kernel issue I guess. Anyway, it was very easy to fix editing wifi sleep policy options. And trust me, the battery consumption of this ROM is ridiculous. Have in mind Oxygen is made with simplicity and minimalism in mind, so you wont find any battery sucking features.
Yup, the notification area power widget is fully customizable, as I said above. In my case I removed the wifi on/off because I need it always on. I also added a button to toggle the flashlight, and the possibilities are endless.
Dialer T9? I'm sorry but I cant understand, I thought T9 was predictive stuff for text entry. Why would I need predictive text if phone numbers are just that, numbers? I guess I am confused, could you explain it to me?
berre said:
Is this the what you mean?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WudAoz0uFbE
That's RC2 but I guess you are using a newer release? Can you post the link pls.
It def does look fast!
I don't see wifi, bt, gps, ... toggles in the notification area, is that something you can set? It's not a dealbreaker but would be nice.
Cheers
B
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Hi, have a look here
Oxygen 2.0.3 runs superb, absolutlely stable and fast. There's nothing you gonna miss ... ATM I have about 130 Mb internal space left.
rcmixhd 3.5.1 is better rom white sense and cm7 beter witout sense
Fraktal75 said:
Dialer T9? I'm sorry but I cant un... my contacts using the numeric keys
cheers
B
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Sorry, no clue, never tried that. BTW in case you are interested on installing a custom ROM, have in mind some of them require a custom MTD partition (Oxygen has its own). You can find them at alpharev.nl. Sounds much more complicated than it really is, dont be afraid.
To be completely honest, the first thing I did when I got my desire was to S-OFF it, root it, and install a custom ROM. The HTC stuff on it looked too much like bloatware to me and I love to tweak all my devices to get maximum performance.
berre said:
I mean that when I want to call "alex" who is in my contacts I can just type 2539 in the dialpad and he will show me my contact "alex"
Just like it is now with my stock sense froyo... I open my dialer and I get my last called/received/missed calls + my dialer pad.
I can then just form the name of one of my contacts using the numeric keys
cheers
B
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AOSP ROM's from Google have no T9 dialer, but that's why the Market is for. Dialer One or Dialer2 could be a good replacement.
Tysken91 said:
I would suggest Redux 1.1.x
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=896213
It's stable, fast and the battery are outstanding.
i'll never change rom again
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I am in complete agreement with Tysken91.
I am not sure I will ever be completely happy with Battery life but this is my first smartphone device and I guess I need to get used to it.
With a combination of Y5 Battery saver (to turn off Wireless), Juice Defender and the Redux 1.1.1 (RC3), my battery life is quite good.
Cheers
Have tried most of the roms and found that MIUI is clearly the best!
Cyanogenmod v7.0.0 RC4 is really the best ROM i have tried so far.
But ofcourse it is very personal
hi,
thanks for the feedback... unfortunatly there's still not a clear winner apparently. I guess I expected it a bit, everybody has their own preference.
I've heard good things battery-wise about redux and oxygen so I think my choice will be one of these, anybody any good arguments why one is better then the other?
I really like Go Launcher currently but it's a bit laggy on my stock sense rom, so anybody had any experience with this launcher on any of these ROM's?
I've followed the noob guide with success, I've just partitioned my SD card
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016084
Now in the video the CM installation is performed, is there something special about the redux and oxygen installation?
Thx
B
One vote for Redux 1.1.1
Amazingly fast and nice on the battery, even better with coutts99 2.6.38 kernel
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