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WM6 ROMs memory 'leaking' - comparison

IMO it would be useful to compare the new WM6 ROMs regarding the memory leaking. I mean mainly the ROMs with Home Plugin and/or Cube, because they proved to be quite memory hungry.
I think the latest versions should be counted: Tom's B&B 4.3, Meschle's Touch 3.0 and/or 3.01, and Vanilla 2.0, Bepe's build 0.53, maybe Fracoon's 2.2 too. But every experience on any rom regarding RAM decrease can be interesting.
I launch this thread because, as I see, this problem is the weakest point of many cooked rom (and maybe of the official versions too). So, let's say: after a half-day-long usage, without soft reset but running e.g. Tomtom, Windows Messenger, Ms Office, any music player etc. how much free Program memory (RAM) do you have? (Before measuring close all programs and run Hibernate once.)
I konow it's impossible to have an exact picture since every PDA is different, some owner-installed programs can be a big memory-consumer, but anyhow, sharing our experience might show some tendencies and help us to choose the ROM nearest to our needs.
So I begin:
Currently using Tom's 4.3, after half a day of normal usage it's around 18-19 M (from 25). -- IMO it's not bad, I've heard about far bigger leakage.
My previous rom was HTC official WM6 (3.13.405.1 WWE) it also started with around 25 M and 'ended' with 20 M. (but it doesn't have Cube).
cheers,

I've tried with meschel artemis touch 2.1 lite with cube and 3.0 lite with cube.
about 12.5 MB with first one and about 19.8/20 with other.
Great work, meschle!!!
Bye

I had Meschle's Premium Plus w/o cube and it averaged about 16-17Meg. Now I've got the Touch 3.01 and I get as low as 13Meg but I'm also running MS Voice Command which is a huge memory hog. If I didn't have MSVC I would prob still be at 16-17Meg with the programs I have running. The official WM5 P3300 ROM left about 18-19Meg avail on average.

You need to run hibernate!
I have tried different ROMs and found a workaround which up to now is not very convenient but effective: Use "Hibernate" after closing each application oder settings tab. This small app is included in many cooked ROMs, it releases memory.
First thing I do after a soft reset is using hibernate since it releases about 1-1.5 MB and that gave me at best times 28 MB RAM, I think that was with B&B v3.0 GER.
I think it is possible to combine the X-Button with hibernate through MortScript. MortScript is a Scripting tool for WM and can automate certain things, since you have to be familiar with programming and need a lot of patience I still didn't try it.
I don't know if Wisbar is able to perform two tasks when pushing the X Button. Then you could assign it to closing the app and then starting hibernate. Maybe I will ask the programmer if he will produce a version without the window that shows up every time, then it would be perfect.
I assigned hibernate to one of my buttons, when I close big apps I always run hibernat.

Registerme said:
I assigned hibernate to one of my buttons, when I close big apps I always run hibernat.
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Yes, I also often use Hibernate. I assigned it with HButton to teh OK/Close button (first function: close; scond: Hibernate).
I assumed that almost everyone use it, that's why I suggested in the first post that even the measuring should be after closing all apps and applying Hibernate.

Manilla2d trinity resources hog?

Hi, everyone on the forum, I was wondering if you were having trouble making manilly2d work smoothly on your trinities. My trinity becomes relatively sluggish and free memory drops pretty soon. When trying to use gps software it locks, freezes etc. Same with Opera browser.
How are your Trinities handling great looking manilla2d?

Use one of the ROMs with Manila2D cooked into. Its far better than installing it afterwards.

chalid said:
Use one of the ROMs with Manila2D cooked into. Its far better than installing it afterwards.
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I Confirm!!!!

I was wondering if we could get Manilla running faster converting Manila2D.exe (1MB) or its dlls into module...

mosec said:
Hi, everyone on the forum, I was wondering if you were having trouble making manilly2d work smoothly on your trinities. My trinity becomes relatively sluggish and free memory drops pretty soon. When trying to use gps software it locks, freezes etc. Same with Opera browser.
How are your Trinities handling great looking manilla2d?
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ROMS with Manila cooked in work only slightly slower, not enough to bother me at all. I think it all depends on what 3rd party software you then install on top.
The trick is either finding a Manila ROM which more or less everything you need it already (like Ervius's ROMS) or naked ROMS which have only the minimum (like Chalid's ROMS).
Also, I recommend using Mpenguin14's "M2DC (Manilla 2D Customizer)" to get rid of the Manila tabs at that the bottom that you don't really need. This reduces memory consumption and therefore improves performance. Some cooks are putting it into their ROMS, but there is a cab you can download too: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427392
Mattster.

Thanks for all the advice I allready noticed beter performance with album and audio player tab turned off but nevertheless it seems slower.

mosec said:
Thanks for all the advice I allready noticed beter performance with album and audio player tab turned off but nevertheless it seems slower.
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I gave up on manilla and htc home. The clock can be replaced by PDC, weather by spb weather(there's probably a lighter solution though), app launcher by the start menu(people usually don't use a wide variety of apps, start menu can list the latest which will do just fine), sms/mms/calendar/tasks by the respective native plugins.
All the other apps are cute but useless, like, you already have a speed dial on the phone app, as for media just launch the respective apps.

manilla on trinity
Hi, I am happily running chalid's rom with Manilla2d - meaning that it runs correctly but can become quite slow (for example, A2DP skips if i keep wifi or other programs in the background). The problem, in my opinion, is not Manilla but...our trinity. The low amount of RAM makes any program which is consuming memory running slowly and/or lacking responsiveness. Try Igo8, for example, and plan a long route...this is true beyond manilla, and the less memory you have free, the more sluggish it becomes...
I came to the empirical conclusion that TNYYNT Roms are faster simply since he is keeping memory consumption/allocation low, and this is why Chalid's 0.8 is faster than any other manilla2d i've tried. For example, i was not able to run tomtom efficiently on ervius' rom - but it ALMOST works correctly with chalid's (which is based on TNYYNT as you know).
My conclusion: upgrade to touch HD ! it is the obvious way to improve the trinity: better screen, better CPU, better RAM....

lately i been using PDAviet ROM .44 and the manila user interface is relly fast and pleasant to use - the only think that I'm craving for is more RAM in the device
All is well if one application is running but have a few open and the sistem will complain
One thing that I see with this ROM is that if you start a memory intensive application - like opera 9 or your tube or tom tom it will close the ManilaUI temporarly and restart it automatically when you close the application so everything runs fast - but only one thing at the time

pzucchel said:
Chalid's 0.8 is faster than any other manilla2d i've tried. For example, i was not able to run tomtom efficiently on ervius' rom - but it ALMOST works correctly with chalid's (which is based on TNYYNT as you know).
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Hi Pzucchel.
Thanks for your advice the other day on sd cards.
I have a new Kingston 4GB Micro SD (SDHC) Card coming tomorrow and going to reinstall Tomtom 6 onto it. Then I have to pick a ROM! I love the Manila 2D interface, have tried practically all of the current ROMS, but I can't have Tomtom letting me down.
When you say Tomtom ALMOST works on Chalid's, what happened? Did it come out of the program half way through a journey?
And on Ervius' Rom... were you not even able to start Tomtom?
Mattster.

I switched back to a non manilla2d rom and my trinity is flying again! Windows are opening fast and overall performance is better, igo 8 works without crashing. Manilla looks great but I'm gonna hold back for now! Bye all

64M Ram a problem, but here is a work around
pzucchel has raised the main issue- it's not the code, the ROM the M2D or iGO8. Our Trinity is only 64M RAM, and with operating system, if we have 25-27M free RAM we are lucky. Running M2D will normally eat up 10M or so more. With careful memory management it will not slow down our phone. however it will not allow to have M2D as a today plug-in and run iGO8...
Having M2D in the cooked ROM helps a bit as far as speed (not significant) but will not help in memory management. So that was the *****ing part of the post. now let's have a work around. It is not a solution- yet it will allow us to enjoy M2D and iGO8 without getting crazy, and without a need to reset the phone 7 times a day...
1. Install a naked ROM. Look for ones that allow 25M free RAM after installation. There are few of them. If they are naked+M2D and leave 20M free, it is good enough. Having M2D in the ROM means no M2D updates possible. Having M2D installed manually means lots of work and a bit slower performance- each one knows what's best for himself.
2. install SKTOOLS 4.4.1 (Buy it! it worth the investment). Optimize to maximum memory. Our good old trinity works fast enough even with this setup. Also- turn shadow services on to free RAM. Don't mess up with anything else there. We are after more free RAM ONLY !
3. Install mToday. It's a small nifty free tool, that allows the user to switch easy between today plug-ins. Set M2D on one screen, and iGO8 on the 2nd one. Assign a key for mToday so by a push of a button you can switch M2D off and get iGO8 plug in on... For the lazy ones I am attaching it.
4. Make sure the following lines are in your sys.txt in the IGO8 folder. I mean the one in main memory under program files, not the SD folder, although for recovery purposes, make them both identical:
[debug]
cache=2048
reserve_memory=1500000
[navigation]
sim_speed_factor=3
True- it still will not allow using TTS , but that is kind of pushing the limits of the phone. I could use TTS if I turn the phone off, kill 3G and GPRS, push no mail, etc. but after all if I wanted a GPS device only, I could have bought one..
5. For TomTom users- same thing - kill M2D using mToday and keep running it. I did not try TT7 but TT6 was very much an easy run on the trinity, before I moved to iGO8.
Special thanks to the cookers, current and the ones who left this forum, for their dedication, time spent for this community, and insight. I am merely a tester, and I hope this post will make some other trinity users happy campers.
Cheers
BigE

I had no problems running the WWE evirus rom with M2D and Tomtom7

Mattster_spv said:
Hi Pzucchel.
Thanks for your advice the other day on sd cards.
I have a new Kingston 4GB Micro SD (SDHC) Card coming tomorrow and going to reinstall Tomtom 6 onto it. Then I have to pick a ROM! I love the Manila 2D interface, have tried practically all of the current ROMS, but I can't have Tomtom letting me down.
When you say Tomtom ALMOST works on Chalid's, what happened? Did it come out of the program half way through a journey?
And on Ervius' Rom... were you not even able to start Tomtom?
Mattster.
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I have no problem running tomtom7 and igo8 with chalid's 0.8rom.
but before i run igo, i have to close all running apps first.
like bigE mentioned, invest in SKTools. It's a great utility. I have its "free ram" apps as one of my shortcut. i always run it bfore i run any gps apps.

iGO8 and M2D- is it really running together?
rockuman_ex,
Yes, iGO may seem to work with while M2D is on, but, is it really? Here are some observations:
1. Choose to calculate a 1,000 mile away destination when they both are on - even with SKTOOLS I am running out of memory for iGO.
2. Have them both run, and try answering a call at the same time. Even with 1.5M reserved for 'non iGO' use in the sys.txt - most likely phone will freeze.
I have no experience with TT7. I have abandoned TT for iGO because I am travelling to destinations I could not have maps for TT in the TT6 era. I have got spolied by iGO and can't go back to TT, although I have to admit TT is making more sense for the trinity. But like all of us- I want it all...
I regretfully think that in the near future I will go with another HTC phone, waiting for AT&T to offer the HD here in the US. I have spent around $700 for the trini about 18 months ago, no realizing 64M will kill me so quick. Oh well- that is what we call experience, learning from mistakes...

BigE said:
rockuman_ex,
I regretfully think that in the near future I will go with another HTC phone, waiting for AT&T to offer the HD here in the US. I have spent around $700 for the trini about 18 months ago, no realizing 64M will kill me so quick....
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I'd say these days, 18 months with one phone is pretty good

Different Manilla ROMs memory footprint

Hi.
I'm still using Ausdins 6.1 Rom, but would like to jump on the Manilla waggon. I'm a bit worried about the RAM consumption.
Could you please report your free RAM with the different ROM's you are using. (Program as well as Storage).

RAM usage
I would say you must allow 5-6M for Manila proper operation with AS on, push mail, SMS, etc.
Since our trinity is only 64M it is crucial to ask yourseld the following questions:
1. Can you allow a bit slower performance and get more free RAM? If yes, play with pagepool and use a good solid cooked ROM. 4M pagepool gives about 50-51M of free RAM. With Manila on you still have 18-20M free RAM. Unless you try to run memory hungry app like igo, it's plenty.
2. Do you mind shutting Manila off and on from time to time? If not, then keep in mind Manilla is just a desktop plugin. Turn it off and you get the 5M back...
I do so often before I run igo. m Today, or Manila on/off app is doing it with one push of a button within 5 seconds.
Generally speaking, trying 6-7 different ROMS, choose a manila cooked ROM. Look for the lite ones that do not come with Google maps, player, you tube, and photo album in the ROM. Those are light and fast. You can always add the rest as separate cabs. All is found on this forum on the general areas. Storage vary between cookers depending on ehat the ROM has, and if they put full blown M2D or not. Never had a problem with it, and have seen any number from 12M free ROM to 50M... depending what you get in the cook, so it's hard to tell...
Enjoy. M2D is the best dsektop plug in I have ever used, including SPB shell. But it is only my opinion...

Thanks for your advise. I think I will try.
1. I don't mind having to shut down manilla in order to run ie TomTom. As I don't need push mail, maybe that will save som RAM as well.
2. Is it all Manilla ROM which allow to quickly close it, or should I look for a special program (addition in tha ROM) in order to have this function.

how to switch Manila on/off
Well, some ways of doing it.
1. Old fashion - setting->today
2. Using M2D DevTool
3. Using mToday
The last two are free on this forum. BTW - ROM and RAM are two separate entities. I was referring to RAM , not to the storage for programs, that was never an issue, especially with SD cards. 64MB RAM is the main reason I am looking into replacing the trinity, as for anything else, there is no significant difference with the newer HTC versions.

WM 6.1 vs, WM 6.5

I want know which Rom is better in
Free Ram
Performence
Storage
compatible with software
Battery Drain

Make My Day! said:
I want know which Rom is better in
Free Ram
Performence
Storage
compatible with software
Battery Drain
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6.1 works great with me

6.1 is better in everything you wrote

6.1 will be better

from what I heard, 6.5 would be slower, memory hunger, cpu eater...

hello
WM6.1 more free RAM
WM6.5 more responsive
This is what I can say comparing the ROMs of CV93+Oggi.
Regards

Hi to all.
For me , not exist a rom ok for all.
WM 6.1 is ok for any function but is slow.
WM 6.5 is very fast , but again is not regulary ,
with many bugs,
I am waiting a rom very very beautifull ,
without bugs.
When ????
Bye .......

i found 6.1 is much faster and good ram Management, some of rom like i m using NiAx 40 which is very clean, i have tried couple of 6.5 rom but they are very slow and un stable, i would better stick with 6.1, may be 6.5 requires more ram then TRINITY have.

Hello all
WM 6.1 is in the end and WM 6.5 is in beginning of development .
6.5 is faster , nicer , smoother etc... 6.1 but use 4 or 5 MB of RAM more , my latest wm 6.1 in Ultra Lite has more than 31 MB of RAM and latest 6.5 has only 27 MB and can to be daily use .
Hope this synthese help you .

WM6.5 is BETA but..
Folks,
I think Chanvi gave the best answer so let me just repeat it and add:
1. WM6.1 is at the end of the road. True, there isn't yet a phone that comes with WM6.5 but soon it will start.
2. WM6.1 has an advantage regarding free RAM. However, with some clever tweaks (using kitchens) it is possible to create a ROM that will serve ANY application that runs on WM6.1 to run on WM6.5
3. WM6.5 has more than few annoying bugs of WM6.1 resolved. Original WM6.1 used to have some major issues, such as lock users out with 'wrong password' and other MS crap. It was all fixed in WM6.5
4. The GUI in WM6.5 is great. It takes time to get used to it, and I was between the ones complaining about the change it took from WM6.1 but the naked truth is when i tried to be back to WM6.1 it was bad experience for me.
5. Finger friendly- I hardly use the stylus in WM6.5 So much easier than WM6.1 was.
6. Stability- Sorry to 'disappoint' you, but at least Chanvi came up with a set of ROMs that are too good to be true. not one crash since April (two months) , great memory management (no leaks) and good battery life. It isn't all WM6.5, it is , I think, because Chanvi and Oggi are very talanted. Nevertheless- WM6.5 is , by far, superior to WM6.1
And I was one of the people thinking WM6.5 was too heavy for our trinity..
To get you an idea: I run 3 email accounts (one exchange) , my today plugin is home2 (heavy graphics) and I use iGO8 for GPS navigation, with high resolution and 3D (but no TTS).
And lastly- it makes the phone beautiful. Whenever someone shows me his iPHONE/Samsung/HTC Fuze/whatever with standard ROM, and I show him my cooked WM6.5 on a 3 years old phone (!) it is impressive... and runs as good as theirs, if not better. 3 years in phone years is 21 years in dog years.. LOL.. so much for phones, especially XDA ones.

well apart from the comments above I personally think I like 6.1 better.
Used chanvi 6.5 for 2 weeks, and I can't stand the slow response of the device, especially accessing my SMS (i store lots of em) and it takes more time to load and switch between applications (about 2 - 4 seconds more than when using 6.1).
I even flashed 6.5 onto my friend phone, as to try out the new and latest OS, and he too came back to me after a week, saying please save me and reflash back 6.1 as it's too slow for him.
We are business users hence accessing options like SMS, MMS, and web browser and switching back and fourth between applications should be fast. Unfortunately 6.5 does not provide that. It's fast, but just the today's interface and when clicking start, but when you actually load any application, it will take longer than 6.1 which we can't bare anymore..
In the end, my friend flashed trynnt ROM and I flashed another ROM which uses diamond interface runs on 6.1 and have no speed issues anymore.

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well apart from the comments above I personally think I like 6.1 better.
Used chanvi 6.5 for 2 weeks, and I can't stand the slow response of the device, especially accessing my SMS (i store lots of em) and it takes more time to load and switch between applications (about 2 - 4 seconds more than when using 6.1).
I even flashed 6.5 onto my friend phone, as to try out the new and latest OS, and he too came back to me after a week, saying please save me and reflash back 6.1 as it's too slow for him.
We are business users hence accessing options like SMS, MMS, and web browser and switching back and fourth between applications should be fast. Unfortunately 6.5 does not provide that. It's fast, but just the today's interface and when clicking start, but when you actually load any application, it will take longer than 6.1 which we can't bare anymore..
In the end, my friend flashed trynnt ROM and I flashed another ROM which uses diamond interface runs on 6.1 and have no speed issues anymore.
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Hi neato2u
I'm agree only on thing with you on IE (web browser) is not good in WM 6.5 if you use new IE8 with widgets , it's very slow and lag because our device have not enough free CPU (not ram) .
I use also in professional and business , i don't know exactly how many e mail i have (stored in sd card) but certainly more than 1 thousand with 3 account , Tomtom 7.910 daily use ,more than 2 hours phone (Voip included) by day et... , my rom is a Extra Ultra Full with Titanium + Manila + SPB Mobile as interface , i change interface when in job or wk or holidays . Never problem crash or other , only one thing is true , some app. like "Auto Hibernate" or "Activesync Killer" don't work in wm 6.5 so recently i find and use cleanRAM level3 with settings by run auto all 3 hours .
You can not compare HTCHome interface with Titanium or Manila , of course HTCHome is the lighter interface but older also , you can also install HTCHome in wm 6.5 , it will work better than in 6.1
Regards

Things you can do..
neato4u said:
well apart from the comments above I personally think I like 6.1 better.
Used chanvi 6.5 for 2 weeks, and I can't stand the slow response of the device, especially accessing my SMS (i store lots of em) and it takes more time to load and switch between applications (about 2 - 4 seconds more than when using 6.1).
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Some comments, as you did not mention some crucial info...
1. Have you tried IE6UltraLite ROM?
2. Do you support the phone with any tools like SKTOOLS for memory managment and shadow RAM services?
3. Ever tried opera MINI 4.2? (not opera mobile, don't confuse between the two). IE6 or IE8 are a disaster app, regardless if you use WM6.1 or WM6.5
I am, like you, using this XDA for business. I have no issues with either OS, provided I am taking good care of the installation of the above. Please keep in mind this phobe is not HTC but Dopod (were bought by HTC) and since WM5 there is not much of support for it by HTC. If you intend to keep using the trinity, even if with WM6.1, you can make it more efficient.
If you have installed the full blown IE8 version, yes, I agree with you it is not business oriented. But Chanvi has the lite just for the business side of it.
Besides, if you are really away from a computer and use your phone heavily, making it finger friendly is the main thing WM6.1 is missing. The GUI (and I mean the pull down menus) is what makes the difference for me. I was hesitating a lot with WM6.5 until Chanvi proved me step by step how WM6.5 can give me what i am looking for.
Other than that, the naked truth is a 64M RAM phone is a joke.
BigE

wm 6.1 is better u can do more

WM 6.5
Hi all
this is my first fost...sorry for my bad english.
After a lot of change now i'n usin PDA ROM WM6.5 V49.
It works very well...fast and stable. For me is the best one now.
bye

chanvi93 said:
Hello all
WM 6.1 is in the end and WM 6.5 is in beginning of development .
6.5 is faster , nicer , smoother etc... 6.1 but use 4 or 5 MB of RAM more , my latest wm 6.1 in Ultra Lite has more than 31 MB of RAM and latest 6.5 has only 27 MB and can to be daily use .
Hope this synthese help you .
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brother u r doing a good job but as u have said "WM 6.5 is in beginning of development" is right i have used ur lite 6.5 rom for couple of days and found is not stable as 6.1. (i m sorry if i have disappointed you)
i really appreciate your contribution to the forum and i will keep track of ur roms.
Thanks
regards

Please share your findings. How did you conclude its unstable?
Regards
sohil said:
brother u r doing a good job but as u have said "WM 6.5 is in beginning of development" is right i have used ur lite 6.5 rom for couple of days and found is not stable as 6.1. (i m sorry if i have disappointed you)
i really appreciate your contribution to the forum and i will keep track of ur roms.
Thanks
regards
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BigE said:
Folks,
I think Chanvi gave the best answer so let me just repeat it and add:
1. WM6.1 is at the end of the road. True, there isn't yet a phone that comes with WM6.5 but soon it will start.
2. WM6.1 has an advantage regarding free RAM. However, with some clever tweaks (using kitchens) it is possible to create a ROM that will serve ANY application that runs on WM6.1 to run on WM6.5
3. WM6.5 has more than few annoying bugs of WM6.1 resolved. Original WM6.1 used to have some major issues, such as lock users out with 'wrong password' and other MS crap. It was all fixed in WM6.5
4. The GUI in WM6.5 is great. It takes time to get used to it, and I was between the ones complaining about the change it took from WM6.1 but the naked truth is when i tried to be back to WM6.1 it was bad experience for me.
5. Finger friendly- I hardly use the stylus in WM6.5 So much easier than WM6.1 was.
6. Stability- Sorry to 'disappoint' you, but at least Chanvi came up with a set of ROMs that are too good to be true. not one crash since April (two months) , great memory management (no leaks) and good battery life. It isn't all WM6.5, it is , I think, because Chanvi and Oggi are very talanted. Nevertheless- WM6.5 is , by far, superior to WM6.1
And I was one of the people thinking WM6.5 was too heavy for our trinity..
To get you an idea: I run 3 email accounts (one exchange) , my today plugin is home2 (heavy graphics) and I use iGO8 for GPS navigation, with high resolution and 3D (but no TTS).
And lastly- it makes the phone beautiful. Whenever someone shows me his iPHONE/Samsung/HTC Fuze/whatever with standard ROM, and I show him my cooked WM6.5 on a 3 years old phone (!) it is impressive... and runs as good as theirs, if not better. 3 years in phone years is 21 years in dog years.. LOL.. so much for phones, especially XDA ones.
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I'm agree with almost everything you said, but I think those few MB of RAM consumption difference are critical. I installed CV93+Oggi WM 6.5 OS 21501 and since can't use iGO (I tried several versions, even the new amigo) and it always says "out of memory" after a few minutes in best case. So if you need any RAM hungry app 6.5 is not for you, in any other case it may be the best option.
My impressions are: battery works for much longer, about 10 more hours with low/normal use (no wifi or bt, just phone). Screen and phone perfomance are better, in apps it's the same than 6.1. And I didn't find any incompatible software.
If there was anyway to close CHome, like manilla, we could get a few more RAM.

juan_sck said:
I'm agree with almost everything you said, but I think those few MB of RAM consumption difference are critical. I installed CV93+Oggi WM 6.5 OS 21501 and since can't use iGO (I tried several versions, even the new amigo) and it always says "out of memory" after a few minutes in best case. So if you need any RAM hungry app 6.5 is not for you, in any other case it may be the best option.
My impressions are: battery works for much longer, about 10 more hours with low/normal use (no wifi or bt, just phone). Screen and phone perfomance are better, in apps it's the same than 6.1. And I didn't find any incompatible software.
If there was anyway to close CHome, like manilla, we could get a few more RAM.
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If you use Chanvi's latest WM 6.5 Kitchen, you can leave CHome and Manilla out completely! BigE is getting up to 29MB free in this way on one of his UltraLites. Without TTS, iGO8 breathes quite well on this.

SuperSport said:
If you use Chanvi's latest WM 6.5 Kitchen, you can leave CHome and Manilla out completely! BigE is getting up to 29MB free in this way on one of his UltraLites. Without TTS, iGO8 breathes quite well on this.
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I certainly do.. my best results were with the 21232 IE6UltraLite by Chanvi. 27M free RAM and 78M free storage. I skinned out M2D and CHOME (I use home2) and I run SKTOOLS to optimize memory. Joel from Pointui has created a home2 file that will send graphics to the storage memory, and on top I am using mToday to switch all home pluggins off before i run iGO. I get 23-26M free RAM (23 if I do not soft reset, 26 if I do) and can run iGO in high resolution and buildings, while syncing with 3 email accounts, get text messages and calls. If you have more need than that, than trinity is not for you. It is a 4 years old device with miserable 64M RAM... we are kind of beating a dead horse here, and Chanvi is able to give it a nice push and keep it alive before Diamond2 is released (I mean 3G supported around the world, not just EU, hard SPL released for unlocking, and decent forum activity to support it with cooks and testing).
The thing is, I have to admit, in order to make the device 'behave' it takes some tweaking and knowlegde, and it is not for the lazy or faint heart user..
BigE

6.5.3 RAM issues?

Is anyone else having severe RAM issues with 6.5.3? After a day I'm down to less than 20MB free if I have Opera open! I think it might be something I install. Here is the list of CABS I install that I think could have some effect on the system.
ShowcaseSuite (I disable auto-run, only manual launch with a mapped button)
SdkCerts
Coreplayer
RhodiumKeyboardControl (button remap program)
Palringo 2.0.0
PowerSMS
Resco Explorer
reSTART
RunGPS
Skype
TomTom 7
My biggest suspicion is ShowcaseSuite. What task manager do you all use on 6.5.3?

What rom specifically are you using?

I'm currently on RRE but I had this problem on EnergyROM, too. I didn't seem to have this problem on the official 6.5 ROM though, but I wanted 6.5.3.

Same issue here.. you might want to post this to the RRE thread...

sphinx88 said:
Same issue here.. you might want to post this to the RRE thread...
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Do you use any of the same programs as me?

The only two that match are CorePlayer and TomTom
But it is the same with Co-Pilot.
Others are:
PhoneAlarm
g-alarm
beyondpod
pocketbible
Neoreader
Mortscript

What rom are you using? And manila 2.5?
I found on NRG's Rom I had about 40mbs spare at boot, and I switched to another rom I have about 70.

i also think showcase might be the culprit. i think more specifically its the showcase suite. im doing some testing right now with a vanilla installation of 6.5.3 to see if its whats slowing me down. ill report soon....

What is "Showcase?"

It depends on the pagepool setting of the ROM. A bigger pagepool will render you with a smaller pool of useable RAM upon startup. I know energy ROM's pagepool is set to 28mb. I always changed it to 16mb prior to flashing. So far works okay for me, and my memory utilisation never goes beyond 75%.

Seifer1975 said:
It depends on the pagepool setting of the ROM. A bigger pagepool will render you with a smaller pool of useable RAM upon startup. I know energy ROM's pagepool is set to 28mb. I always changed it to 16mb prior to flashing. So far works okay for me, and my memory utilisation never goes beyond 75%.
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Usable RAM at startup is not the problem. The problem is growing RAM usage. It boots at say 70MB free, but after a day, even after I close everything except Opera, I'm down to around 15MB. If I close Opera around 30MB. That is 40MB that is just lost. GWES.exe seems to grow a lot, but as much as the lost RAM (though it is most of it).