Hi, everyone on the forum, I was wondering if you were having trouble making manilly2d work smoothly on your trinities. My trinity becomes relatively sluggish and free memory drops pretty soon. When trying to use gps software it locks, freezes etc. Same with Opera browser.
How are your Trinities handling great looking manilla2d?
Use one of the ROMs with Manila2D cooked into. Its far better than installing it afterwards.
chalid said:
Use one of the ROMs with Manila2D cooked into. Its far better than installing it afterwards.
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I Confirm!!!!
I was wondering if we could get Manilla running faster converting Manila2D.exe (1MB) or its dlls into module...
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Hi, everyone on the forum, I was wondering if you were having trouble making manilly2d work smoothly on your trinities. My trinity becomes relatively sluggish and free memory drops pretty soon. When trying to use gps software it locks, freezes etc. Same with Opera browser.
How are your Trinities handling great looking manilla2d?
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ROMS with Manila cooked in work only slightly slower, not enough to bother me at all. I think it all depends on what 3rd party software you then install on top.
The trick is either finding a Manila ROM which more or less everything you need it already (like Ervius's ROMS) or naked ROMS which have only the minimum (like Chalid's ROMS).
Also, I recommend using Mpenguin14's "M2DC (Manilla 2D Customizer)" to get rid of the Manila tabs at that the bottom that you don't really need. This reduces memory consumption and therefore improves performance. Some cooks are putting it into their ROMS, but there is a cab you can download too: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427392
Mattster.
Thanks for all the advice I allready noticed beter performance with album and audio player tab turned off but nevertheless it seems slower.
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Thanks for all the advice I allready noticed beter performance with album and audio player tab turned off but nevertheless it seems slower.
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I gave up on manilla and htc home. The clock can be replaced by PDC, weather by spb weather(there's probably a lighter solution though), app launcher by the start menu(people usually don't use a wide variety of apps, start menu can list the latest which will do just fine), sms/mms/calendar/tasks by the respective native plugins.
All the other apps are cute but useless, like, you already have a speed dial on the phone app, as for media just launch the respective apps.
manilla on trinity
Hi, I am happily running chalid's rom with Manilla2d - meaning that it runs correctly but can become quite slow (for example, A2DP skips if i keep wifi or other programs in the background). The problem, in my opinion, is not Manilla but...our trinity. The low amount of RAM makes any program which is consuming memory running slowly and/or lacking responsiveness. Try Igo8, for example, and plan a long route...this is true beyond manilla, and the less memory you have free, the more sluggish it becomes...
I came to the empirical conclusion that TNYYNT Roms are faster simply since he is keeping memory consumption/allocation low, and this is why Chalid's 0.8 is faster than any other manilla2d i've tried. For example, i was not able to run tomtom efficiently on ervius' rom - but it ALMOST works correctly with chalid's (which is based on TNYYNT as you know).
My conclusion: upgrade to touch HD ! it is the obvious way to improve the trinity: better screen, better CPU, better RAM....
lately i been using PDAviet ROM .44 and the manila user interface is relly fast and pleasant to use - the only think that I'm craving for is more RAM in the device
All is well if one application is running but have a few open and the sistem will complain
One thing that I see with this ROM is that if you start a memory intensive application - like opera 9 or your tube or tom tom it will close the ManilaUI temporarly and restart it automatically when you close the application so everything runs fast - but only one thing at the time
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Chalid's 0.8 is faster than any other manilla2d i've tried. For example, i was not able to run tomtom efficiently on ervius' rom - but it ALMOST works correctly with chalid's (which is based on TNYYNT as you know).
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Hi Pzucchel.
Thanks for your advice the other day on sd cards.
I have a new Kingston 4GB Micro SD (SDHC) Card coming tomorrow and going to reinstall Tomtom 6 onto it. Then I have to pick a ROM! I love the Manila 2D interface, have tried practically all of the current ROMS, but I can't have Tomtom letting me down.
When you say Tomtom ALMOST works on Chalid's, what happened? Did it come out of the program half way through a journey?
And on Ervius' Rom... were you not even able to start Tomtom?
Mattster.
I switched back to a non manilla2d rom and my trinity is flying again! Windows are opening fast and overall performance is better, igo 8 works without crashing. Manilla looks great but I'm gonna hold back for now! Bye all
64M Ram a problem, but here is a work around
pzucchel has raised the main issue- it's not the code, the ROM the M2D or iGO8. Our Trinity is only 64M RAM, and with operating system, if we have 25-27M free RAM we are lucky. Running M2D will normally eat up 10M or so more. With careful memory management it will not slow down our phone. however it will not allow to have M2D as a today plug-in and run iGO8...
Having M2D in the cooked ROM helps a bit as far as speed (not significant) but will not help in memory management. So that was the *****ing part of the post. now let's have a work around. It is not a solution- yet it will allow us to enjoy M2D and iGO8 without getting crazy, and without a need to reset the phone 7 times a day...
1. Install a naked ROM. Look for ones that allow 25M free RAM after installation. There are few of them. If they are naked+M2D and leave 20M free, it is good enough. Having M2D in the ROM means no M2D updates possible. Having M2D installed manually means lots of work and a bit slower performance- each one knows what's best for himself.
2. install SKTOOLS 4.4.1 (Buy it! it worth the investment). Optimize to maximum memory. Our good old trinity works fast enough even with this setup. Also- turn shadow services on to free RAM. Don't mess up with anything else there. We are after more free RAM ONLY !
3. Install mToday. It's a small nifty free tool, that allows the user to switch easy between today plug-ins. Set M2D on one screen, and iGO8 on the 2nd one. Assign a key for mToday so by a push of a button you can switch M2D off and get iGO8 plug in on... For the lazy ones I am attaching it.
4. Make sure the following lines are in your sys.txt in the IGO8 folder. I mean the one in main memory under program files, not the SD folder, although for recovery purposes, make them both identical:
[debug]
cache=2048
reserve_memory=1500000
[navigation]
sim_speed_factor=3
True- it still will not allow using TTS , but that is kind of pushing the limits of the phone. I could use TTS if I turn the phone off, kill 3G and GPRS, push no mail, etc. but after all if I wanted a GPS device only, I could have bought one..
5. For TomTom users- same thing - kill M2D using mToday and keep running it. I did not try TT7 but TT6 was very much an easy run on the trinity, before I moved to iGO8.
Special thanks to the cookers, current and the ones who left this forum, for their dedication, time spent for this community, and insight. I am merely a tester, and I hope this post will make some other trinity users happy campers.
Cheers
BigE
I had no problems running the WWE evirus rom with M2D and Tomtom7
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Hi Pzucchel.
Thanks for your advice the other day on sd cards.
I have a new Kingston 4GB Micro SD (SDHC) Card coming tomorrow and going to reinstall Tomtom 6 onto it. Then I have to pick a ROM! I love the Manila 2D interface, have tried practically all of the current ROMS, but I can't have Tomtom letting me down.
When you say Tomtom ALMOST works on Chalid's, what happened? Did it come out of the program half way through a journey?
And on Ervius' Rom... were you not even able to start Tomtom?
Mattster.
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I have no problem running tomtom7 and igo8 with chalid's 0.8rom.
but before i run igo, i have to close all running apps first.
like bigE mentioned, invest in SKTools. It's a great utility. I have its "free ram" apps as one of my shortcut. i always run it bfore i run any gps apps.
iGO8 and M2D- is it really running together?
rockuman_ex,
Yes, iGO may seem to work with while M2D is on, but, is it really? Here are some observations:
1. Choose to calculate a 1,000 mile away destination when they both are on - even with SKTOOLS I am running out of memory for iGO.
2. Have them both run, and try answering a call at the same time. Even with 1.5M reserved for 'non iGO' use in the sys.txt - most likely phone will freeze.
I have no experience with TT7. I have abandoned TT for iGO because I am travelling to destinations I could not have maps for TT in the TT6 era. I have got spolied by iGO and can't go back to TT, although I have to admit TT is making more sense for the trinity. But like all of us- I want it all...
I regretfully think that in the near future I will go with another HTC phone, waiting for AT&T to offer the HD here in the US. I have spent around $700 for the trini about 18 months ago, no realizing 64M will kill me so quick. Oh well- that is what we call experience, learning from mistakes...
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rockuman_ex,
I regretfully think that in the near future I will go with another HTC phone, waiting for AT&T to offer the HD here in the US. I have spent around $700 for the trini about 18 months ago, no realizing 64M will kill me so quick....
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I'd say these days, 18 months with one phone is pretty good
Related
Guys,
Been testing the various roms available for some time now, XDALive, Black, Schaps etc but just can't find a single Rom that allows the phone to function as its supposed to, i.e. Fast, efficient and usable.
XDA Live and Black appeared to be great at first, until I installed TomTom and a few other minor apps, at which point they just slowed until the phone took 2/3 seconds to come out of standby, and when ringing the phone, it wouldn't even make a sound until the 2nd/3rd ring!?
Yesterday I flashed to Schaps and its even worse, before installing ANYTHING extra! 3/4 seconds from standby although it is a great looking rom.
Just seems a real shame, is the phone's hardware the limitation or is there a Rom out there that really does make a good job of enabling the best functionality from the Hermes??
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Guys,
Been testing the various roms available for some time now, XDALive, Black, Schaps etc but just can't find a single Rom that allows the phone to function as its supposed to, i.e. Fast, efficient and usable.
XDA Live and Black appeared to be great at first, until I installed TomTom and a few other minor apps, at which point they just slowed until the phone took 2/3 seconds to come out of standby, and when ringing the phone, it wouldn't even make a sound until the 2nd/3rd ring!?
Yesterday I flashed to Schaps and its even worse, before installing ANYTHING extra! 3/4 seconds from standby although it is a great looking rom.
Just seems a real shame, is the phone's hardware the limitation or is there a Rom out there that really does make a good job of enabling the best functionality from the Hermes??
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Same-same feeling here. Tried all, still can't get the reliability and responsiveness of original WM5 Jasjam ROM. It's not a rant and of course I can always go back, but it makes me wander never the less..
Edit 15:30,
Well after such a statement I guess I owe some specifics:
- Hermes 100 and 200
- SPL-2.10.Olipro
- IPL: 1.04
- Radio: v1.43.00.00
- Tried the various available RTM versions, much too slow responding, haven't resolved the SOD problem for me
- reverted to what I consider to be the most stable and comfortable release - LVSW 19/5 (elf edition), still experience SOD but apprx. once in 24 Hrs. Still makes the WM6 Hermes unreliable as a phone, since for those unfamiliar with SOD, it means that while actually frozen, the phone looks externaly to be OK and working, respective LEDs blinking. Tried all solutions known and yet some.. drafted to this some heavy dev colleagues but still there.
Frustrating isn't it, perhaps the Hermes just isn't ready for WM6, would be logical as they haven't launched the Hermes OEM with WM6 yet have they?
Cheers, Ash
If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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Can do, how do you believe its better than the rest? Where can I get it from?
Thanks mate!
Click the link on my sig.
My ROM is a graft and is not based on any one m$ hermes build. It has components from a number of different devices.
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If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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Sleuth255, you are counted with the serious in my book, so I should definitely do so. At the moment I kind of stabilized my devices (less than a SOD in every 24 Hrs. time frame), and I am pretty dependant on my phone.. but... at same time I've a XDA-dev soul, so I don't count on myself to withstand the temptation to try yours...
However Ash's quest remains. WTF happens with WM6 on the Hermes. No disrespect to those praising it, but if it doesn't work here, it most probably doesn't work elsewhere if you push it to same limits I do.. And where is HTC's RTM. I would expect it's core to be reasonably well, then use it in the kitchen for "our flavours", but apparently RTM is not there yet, or is it RTM ?
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If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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Sleuth255, you are counted with the honorable in my address book, so I should definitely try yours, thank you. At the moment I kind of stabilized my devices (less than a SOD in every 24 Hrs. time frame) with LVSW-Elf 2.1, and I am pretty dependant on my phones.. However... at same time I've a XDA-dev soul, so I don't count on myself to withstand the temptation to try yours...
In any case Ash's quest remains. WTF happens with WM6 on the Hermes. No disrespect to those praising it, but if it doesn't work here, it most probably doesn't work elsewhere. At least if you push the envelope to same limits I do.. And where is HTC's RTM. I would expect it's core to first be reasonably solid, then use it in the kitchen for cooking our flavours, but apparently RTM is not there yet, or is it RTM at all, and if it is how come it ain't published on HTC support site yet ?
Questions..questions... but it's fun, isn't it ?
HTC's core CE/XIP for hermes was RTM as of v5.2.1238 and is quite stable IMO. It's the IMGFS that's buggy.
Hermes has always had issues coming out of standby and this delay is what affects the time the call connects to the time you hear the first ring. I noticed this the very first time I tried my TyTN (coming from a Wizard).
I've always wanted to uncover the specific code that handles this because there's also a nagging bit that forces portrait mode as a workaround for the magnets in the case Because of this, I have to disable standby whenever I'm using my stowaway bt keyboard.
edit: SOD could be solved as well by dis-assembling this code...
Sleuth, I agree with you (again). And you are also very right on RTM (I happen to be somehow..remotely... connected to them people in Redmond, but I shouldn't exploit this subject too much here.....
Anyway it's pi__ing me off quite a lot and the "Israeli Team" has given SOD a good chunk of time to no result. What amazes me is that this is one Huge issue that doesn't ring an alarm at HTC's.. BTW assuming that under the hood Hermes 100 and Hermes 200 are one and the same (so says my favorite CTO), I can't understand how would my JasJam (original WM5 ROM) be bullet proof in respect to SOD, while my TyTn showed SOD and call delay on WM5 as well. Maybe all Hermesses weren't born equal (and I refer to the latest crop, post childhood issues).
I happened to work with HTC and I know them to take stuff like this seriously. What happens here ....
So can we conclude that the Hermes wasn't ever *supposed* to run WM6, hence why all the WM6 roms just simply don't really work very well once you install just a couple of apps? Some without even installing supplemental programs?
I can't conclude that. WM6 works wonderfully on my hermes. I can conclude at this point that the device has some powersave related ideosyncracies that may or may not be software related. This is why I'm interested in your XP with my ROM.
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I can't conclude that. WM6 works wonderfully on my hermes. I can conclude at this point that the device has some powersave related ideosyncracies that may or may not be software related. This is why I'm interested in your XP with my ROM.
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I agree with Sleuth, WM6 works so much better on my TyTn than WM5... In every way.
Ok, the (slight) wakeup delay at phonecalls is there but certainly no more than with WM5. And Sleuth's new ROM is very stabile, pretty fast and with very little memory leaks.
At least it is in my case...
Ive been using WM6 releases for hermes since they first surfaced
my favourites are
Schap's WM6 Pro 3.30c
LVSW (latest June release)
Windows Mobile VI Pro - Black 2.5
I don't use Device for gaming at all
I use It strictly for work, this means:
Organizing my day with SBSH PocketBreeze
Chatting with Live messenger
see the weather news with weatherPanel (Schap's ROM replaced my choice of weatherpanel)
I work with/edit simple word documents on the road and e-mail them
Take many photos and record videos
and also watch big videos 22~50megs in both .wmv and .3gp format
Surely some ROM's were a real pain and unstable
with the above mentioned ROM's
My device Is stable and fast
Reading around thoughts and opinions surely will help many new to the PDA scene and surely will reward them with knowledge and make their WM experience more fun and useful rather than adventurous and experimenting
Definetely my TyTN is more useful fast and stable now with WM6
rather than when It was fueled with WM5
Just my 2 cents
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Definetely my TyTN is more useful fast and stable now with WM6
rather than when It was fueled with WM5
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Same here, I'm very pleased with WM6 (currently vp3G). I've installed some apps and its faster and more stable than before. I have no freezes, no sleeps of dead, no lock ups - with none of the Roms.
Programs in use:
Always running:
.) ILauncher
.) PhotoContactsPro
.) BatteryStatus
Installed:
.) Mobipocket Reader
.) SK Tools
.) Vijay's Brighter Screen
.) enAlarm
.) GS Finder
.) Total Commander
.) PocketIrked
My first WM6 ROM was the XDA Live.. then I started playing with the free storage.. created modified XDA Live ROM ( later called "WM6 Brick" because it wouldn't boot for ppl without MFG BL).. anyway.. a week later I bricked my Hermes completely trying to get it working with all BLs.. Then I was out for 2 months.. as my Hermes was being repaired..
When it came back I started flashing it with different WM6 roms.. (I guess I liked it much more when there had been only one wm6 rom available). They've all looked nice.. but none of them have been stable. I don't care so much about the speed.. but I hate when it freezes while I am scrolling the file list in the built-in Explorer.. and this happens with all WM6 roms I've tested.
I guess that at some point it will be stable enough for me to use it.. but as I don't need html-emails.. or sd-card encryption I guess I'll stick to WM5 for a while :/
I've tried:
Custel 2.5
ALL of the Blacks
Elf's 2.1
LVSW
Faria
I am with Custel 2.5 right now and I love it. No sleeps of death here.
I'm running:
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Weather
SPB Phone Profile
IM+
Today Agenda
MobiReader
Google Maps (Latest Build)
MortgageCALC
After being "awake" for 12 hours, I still have 23.4 MB of memory avail. with normal usage.
I don't do any media on my phone; I don't even have the media net settings loaded to my connections. I use it strictly for business: direct push mail, text message between the contractors, phone calls, scheduling and looking up houses, google search quite a bit and the PIM software.
Perfect ROM for me:
4mb pagepool
HTweak 1.5
Windows Media Player (for ring tones only)
Office 2007
RedEdit
NO Task Manager
Java Manager
Internet Sharing
NO Streaming Media
NO Audio Manager
PocketRAR
The updated file explorer that's floating
NO Live
NO Messenger
Unfortunately I'm not a cook.
Jim
I have tried both the Elf V2.1 and the BlackShadow and both have worked very well for me so far. I have so far only added the following external apps:
1. Ateksoft Webcamera Plus
2. Adobe Flash Lite 2.1
3. Adobe Reader LE 2
I definitely love my phone now even more so than when I first bought it when it came with WM5.
ROM, Radios, Carriers, Phones each has its own benefits, if you put some together they dnt work, you can change one thing it could work.
i can honestly say that i have only had problems with the early blacks, shadow works fine for me, wheras others worship black 2.5.
personally i always use sleuths roms they definately the fastest & most stable (for me anyway!!)
One last tip
Unless you are in the UK dont use radio 1.43 it is designed for the UK and not too good elsewhere
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I've tried:
Custel 2.5
ALL of the Blacks
Elf's 2.1
LVSW
Faria
I am with Custel 2.5 right now and I love it. No sleeps of death here.
I'm running:
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Weather
SPB Phone Profile
IM+
Today Agenda
MobiReader
Google Maps (Latest Build)
MortgageCALC
After being "awake" for 12 hours, I still have 23.4 MB of memory avail. with normal usage.
I don't do any media on my phone; I don't even have the media net settings loaded to my connections. I use it strictly for business: direct push mail, text message between the contractors, phone calls, scheduling and looking up houses, google search quite a bit and the PIM software.
Perfect ROM for me:
4mb pagepool
HTweak 1.5
Windows Media Player (for ring tones only)
Office 2007
RedEdit
NO Task Manager
Java Manager
Internet Sharing
NO Streaming Media
NO Audio Manager
PocketRAR
The updated file explorer that's floating
NO Live
NO Messenger
Unfortunately I'm not a cook.
Jim
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I think my v3.0 *almost* fits your "perfect rom"
Firstly I am not having a go at any of the ROM creators here - just trying to understand what is going on with my device.
I have O2 Orbit, have used O2-WM5, B&B and now O2-WM6. Using Navigon 6.2 installed on SD card.
I am route planning for holidays and have a route that is a 3 hour route with 1 waypoint. I created this route when running O2-WM5. With B&B i cannot get the saved route to load, and often I will get a memory issue and be asked to close other apps (normally phone is the only other open). Tried using overlocker in case it was processor issue - no joy.
I reverted to O2 - WM5 and it works, upgraded to O2-WM6 it works. What is the difference with the B&B Rom? Is this related to Ext-ROM or lack of? Do all the HTC-home and theme take too much memory?
Thoughts and advise appreciated - and if there is a nice looking WM6 ROM that someone can recommend I would appreciate a link!!
emul
Thoughts about Navigon on Mobiles
Hi!
I am facing the same problems (Navigon 6.1 on an O2MiniS, WM5). Only the simplest functions work -- as long as nothing else is done with the phone.
I have not had a chance to try this out, but this is advice I got:
a) use a faster (mini)sd-card. Amongst others, Transcend sells fast cards. Navigon does not advice doing this, but tells me I can try.
b) remove all superfluous maps from the card.
c) install the program so it runs from your mobile -- not from the card.
Let us know how you are faring!
Bob
Okay so this may be a Navigon issue rather than WM5 / WM6 / B&B ROM. I am going to try tomorrow to flash a clean rom, install no programs nor synch with laptop and see what happens then.
Currently with O2-WM6, synched (500 contacts / 100 email) the route planning "works" after a 60 sec delay before completing calcs from point a to b and then again from b to c..!!
Will let you know how it goes.
Thanks
Eoin
Hello,
i have the same Problem. At all cooked ROM with more RAM MN6 are not Display the Route and crash. With orginal ROM and ROM with low RAM MN6 perfekt work.
Is there already a solution?
heross
I have never been able to resolve it. As a workaround I now use Hibernate before MN6 which seems to clear enough memory. If you find any answers let me know.
Eoin
heross said:
Hello,
i have the same Problem. At all cooked ROM with more RAM MN6 are not Display the Route and crash. With orginal ROM and ROM with low RAM MN6 perfekt work.
Is there already a solution?
heross
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I've been playing with various satnavs over the weekend, all on the standard Dopod WM6 ROm... the following all worked, using UK maps, and planned a route from Suffolk to Lancashire (250 miles):
TomTom 6.02 and 6.03
Navigon MN6
Route66
iGo MyWay
My thoughts on them are as follows:
Navigon: Too slow, graphics unclear, not enough features
iGo: Not bad, but still junt missing a few bits
Route66: A serious contender, but you cant view your route easily or manually modify it or avoid areas. Speed Camera warnings are absolutely brilliant though, and performance is fast.
TomTom: Definitely the best overall - if it had free traffic and speed cam implemetation lice Route66, it would be a complete no brainer. As it is, the ability to avoid sections of routes etc and subscribable traffic if needed make it my personal preference.
If you need info on how to get hold of TomTom, PM me!
try that one...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316058&highlight=donothing.zip
it worked for me.
good luck
THX,
cleaninstall of MN6.0-> deinstall->update to MN6.2->install MN6.2 have solve the Problem.
MEMORY error is definitly a ROM version problem. Try a fast ROM like Vanilla 2.0 or Stripped HTC WWE ROM --> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334810
Navigon need a lot of memory ~about 15mb free to run. I don't know if it's fixed with last update. I think that they are going to build more and more PNA and less PDA softwares updates. If you can try UPX4PDA That can compress your .EXE and .DLL, I 've done it for TOMTOM, .EXE ist now 920 Kb (before 2,30 Mb).
Anyway Navigon and iGO look nicer than TOMTOM, but TOMTOM run faster on PDA (with 200Mhz Processors). Gonna see with next generation with VGA and 400 Mhz proc.
hi,
I am readin with interest your post on the UPX4PDA.....
where do I find this app and does it improve noticably the performance of the application??
UPX4PDA really no matter for RAM problem.
Because once you launch your apps, it self decrompress it into memory and restoring it's original size.
With this tool, you'll only gain spaces on ROM and maybe quickest launch.
Only space and no speed gain.
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UPX4PDA really no matter for RAM problem.
Because once you launch your apps, it self decrompress it into memory and restoring it's original size.
With this tool, you'll only gain spaces on ROM and maybe quickest launch.
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IMO it would be useful to compare the new WM6 ROMs regarding the memory leaking. I mean mainly the ROMs with Home Plugin and/or Cube, because they proved to be quite memory hungry.
I think the latest versions should be counted: Tom's B&B 4.3, Meschle's Touch 3.0 and/or 3.01, and Vanilla 2.0, Bepe's build 0.53, maybe Fracoon's 2.2 too. But every experience on any rom regarding RAM decrease can be interesting.
I launch this thread because, as I see, this problem is the weakest point of many cooked rom (and maybe of the official versions too). So, let's say: after a half-day-long usage, without soft reset but running e.g. Tomtom, Windows Messenger, Ms Office, any music player etc. how much free Program memory (RAM) do you have? (Before measuring close all programs and run Hibernate once.)
I konow it's impossible to have an exact picture since every PDA is different, some owner-installed programs can be a big memory-consumer, but anyhow, sharing our experience might show some tendencies and help us to choose the ROM nearest to our needs.
So I begin:
Currently using Tom's 4.3, after half a day of normal usage it's around 18-19 M (from 25). -- IMO it's not bad, I've heard about far bigger leakage.
My previous rom was HTC official WM6 (3.13.405.1 WWE) it also started with around 25 M and 'ended' with 20 M. (but it doesn't have Cube).
cheers,
I've tried with meschel artemis touch 2.1 lite with cube and 3.0 lite with cube.
about 12.5 MB with first one and about 19.8/20 with other.
Great work, meschle!!!
Bye
I had Meschle's Premium Plus w/o cube and it averaged about 16-17Meg. Now I've got the Touch 3.01 and I get as low as 13Meg but I'm also running MS Voice Command which is a huge memory hog. If I didn't have MSVC I would prob still be at 16-17Meg with the programs I have running. The official WM5 P3300 ROM left about 18-19Meg avail on average.
You need to run hibernate!
I have tried different ROMs and found a workaround which up to now is not very convenient but effective: Use "Hibernate" after closing each application oder settings tab. This small app is included in many cooked ROMs, it releases memory.
First thing I do after a soft reset is using hibernate since it releases about 1-1.5 MB and that gave me at best times 28 MB RAM, I think that was with B&B v3.0 GER.
I think it is possible to combine the X-Button with hibernate through MortScript. MortScript is a Scripting tool for WM and can automate certain things, since you have to be familiar with programming and need a lot of patience I still didn't try it.
I don't know if Wisbar is able to perform two tasks when pushing the X Button. Then you could assign it to closing the app and then starting hibernate. Maybe I will ask the programmer if he will produce a version without the window that shows up every time, then it would be perfect.
I assigned hibernate to one of my buttons, when I close big apps I always run hibernat.
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I assigned hibernate to one of my buttons, when I close big apps I always run hibernat.
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Yes, I also often use Hibernate. I assigned it with HButton to teh OK/Close button (first function: close; scond: Hibernate).
I assumed that almost everyone use it, that's why I suggested in the first post that even the measuring should be after closing all apps and applying Hibernate.
Hi.
I'm still using Ausdins 6.1 Rom, but would like to jump on the Manilla waggon. I'm a bit worried about the RAM consumption.
Could you please report your free RAM with the different ROM's you are using. (Program as well as Storage).
RAM usage
I would say you must allow 5-6M for Manila proper operation with AS on, push mail, SMS, etc.
Since our trinity is only 64M it is crucial to ask yourseld the following questions:
1. Can you allow a bit slower performance and get more free RAM? If yes, play with pagepool and use a good solid cooked ROM. 4M pagepool gives about 50-51M of free RAM. With Manila on you still have 18-20M free RAM. Unless you try to run memory hungry app like igo, it's plenty.
2. Do you mind shutting Manila off and on from time to time? If not, then keep in mind Manilla is just a desktop plugin. Turn it off and you get the 5M back...
I do so often before I run igo. m Today, or Manila on/off app is doing it with one push of a button within 5 seconds.
Generally speaking, trying 6-7 different ROMS, choose a manila cooked ROM. Look for the lite ones that do not come with Google maps, player, you tube, and photo album in the ROM. Those are light and fast. You can always add the rest as separate cabs. All is found on this forum on the general areas. Storage vary between cookers depending on ehat the ROM has, and if they put full blown M2D or not. Never had a problem with it, and have seen any number from 12M free ROM to 50M... depending what you get in the cook, so it's hard to tell...
Enjoy. M2D is the best dsektop plug in I have ever used, including SPB shell. But it is only my opinion...
Thanks for your advise. I think I will try.
1. I don't mind having to shut down manilla in order to run ie TomTom. As I don't need push mail, maybe that will save som RAM as well.
2. Is it all Manilla ROM which allow to quickly close it, or should I look for a special program (addition in tha ROM) in order to have this function.
how to switch Manila on/off
Well, some ways of doing it.
1. Old fashion - setting->today
2. Using M2D DevTool
3. Using mToday
The last two are free on this forum. BTW - ROM and RAM are two separate entities. I was referring to RAM , not to the storage for programs, that was never an issue, especially with SD cards. 64MB RAM is the main reason I am looking into replacing the trinity, as for anything else, there is no significant difference with the newer HTC versions.
Hi, can anyone explain the reasons why a ROMs RAM usage is high?
For example, the ROM I am currently using is up at 90%. After a reboot its around 75% and it doesnt take long to get up to 90%. If I use free RAM on level 1 it tells me "No change". If I use level 2 then it ruins touch flow 3d and I need to reboot.
I only need more RAM to run applications, but my idea is that regardless of the applications installed, if none are running then the RAM usage shouldnt be that high.. ? For example, you could install loads of stuff on your windows XP machine, but RAM only gets used when you load the applications right... ?
I have run task manager, and in the order of most RAM usage here are the things running currently at 92% RAM
gwes.exe 24394 kb
cprog.exe 7920 kb
device.exe 3658 kb
manilla.exe 3553 kb
shell32.exe 2705 kb
services.exe 2686 kb
filesys.exe 2289 kb
dotTaskMgr.exe 97 kb
connmgr.exe 96 kb
tmail.exe 45 kb
SAPSettings.exe 1 kb
NK.EXE 1 kb
total 47445 kb (or almost 50mb of RAM)
Now, I know that manilla consumes WAY more ram than titanium. But I prefer manilla!
Does any ROM cookers give me a brief understanding of why certain ROMS use more RAM than others?
I've even gone as far as changing the theme but to be honest I dont think it made any difference..
I am a complete N00b but I like to read and use google so if people can give me some direction I will go away and do some research!
Thanks!
BUMP...
Can anyone show me the light?
WinMo 6.5 is also more RAM-hungry than 6.1.
which Page Pool does ur ROM have?
i think it is set to 0 !
change it to 12 or 16
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Siemens Lover
Hi Guys!! Thanks for both your replies. So I googled about the page pool as I had heard this mentioned before. It's a little like virtual memory on PC's right?
So I used the page pool changer to tell me what my rom has as it's pagepool and from what I can tell, I have 8mb.. Do you agree? I've attached a screenshot.
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WinMo 6.5 is also more RAM-hungry than 6.1.
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Yea I understand! Do you know why it gradually increases the ram usage up to over 90% though?
try with changing pagepool (8mb-12mb)
there are many ways to get more free ram... easier is pagepool but if you lower pp you will loose rom speed so it's not the best choice... other things have to be done by the cooker not the rom user.
Obviously if you use manila+phonecanvas+wm6.5 you will have a high memory usage rom...
edit: between if you want a good program to free the max of ram, use the one i made in my signature.. but you will have to configure it for your apps
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try with changing pagepool (8mb-12mb)
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Thanks Benko!! I will try and see how it goes
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there are many ways to get more free ram... easier is pagepool but if you lower pp you will loose rom speed so it's not the best choice... other things have to be done by the cooker not the rom user.
Obviously if you use manila+phonecanvas+wm6.5 you will have a high memory usage rom...
edit: between if you want a good program to free the max of ram, use the one i made in my signature.. but you will have to configure it for your apps
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I don't mind taking ROMs apart and playing with things. I would like to learn how to cook
Thanks for the App.
Defiantly agree with the OP.
I had NRG's Rom installed, and I'll say he manila and titanium on his ROM is mega fast. Every animation is so fluent, so much eye kandy and hi-res icons...
Was perfect...
Till I started to actually use programs that couldn't even start. I was on mainila looking at photos, and hit 'album' but cant open the album. can't use the camera.couldn't play games or anything..
currently on Benkos full ROM, is a little buggy, animations aren't so fluid but usally are fine however am pleased i can actually use programs.
I could NOT use manila but same as OP, I prefer it.. I'm keen on the later versions which have colour icons on the slider etc... Not so keen on titanium but i prefer everything else on 6.5. I'm wondering if I really need to use 6.5 as it does use a whole lot more RAM than 6.1
Think about it... what are the real differences between WM 6.1 and 6.5? Do you really need the 6.5 start menu? Titanium? WM Slide to unlock?
The problem about the WM6.5 is the graphics and windows event service (gwes). It consumes to much RAM. Phones with 128MB RAM are made to run WM6.1
Try this ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=565243&highlight=akeo
It is stable, fast, a lot of free RAM and very clean. And if you still need more RAM, just try to disable TF3D and tachi phone canvas. You are going to get 38% used RAM after boot. I installed IphoneToday 1.2.5 (very lightweight and fast) and S2U2. After boot I still get ~40% of used RAM (~70MB free RAM).
I'm pretty sure I need WM6.5... After using 6.1 for a whole year and getting frustrated at the little things, like looking through phone contacts, dragging the list up a tiny bit and then the phone automatically scrolling all through my 200 contacts to the bottom.. then if I tried to go back, I would end up right back at the start. WM6.5 fixes all the things that either I hated, didnt work in 6.1 or both.
I'm learning how to cook now so I can just build a ROM that I'll use for myself.
WM6.5 isn't really much but ram-hungry, eyecandy graphics. The scrolling is improved, that's correct, but with Sense 2.5 (newest Manila) you will barely need to use the old scrolling of WM6.1 as most stuff is integrated. I can warmly recommend Kisja's WM 6.1 with Sense 2.5, although you might wanna wait for the final release (in RC1 now).
The reason for your high RAM usage is mostly graphics - phone canvas, Manila and some WM6.5 graphics. The more tabs in Manila you open, the more RAM it uses. The WM6.5 screenlock also consumes alot of RAM. In addition, there are (and will always be) some memory leaks in WM. Don't ask me why, it just is like that. Therefore you need to use RAMsweeper, cleanRAM or other cleaners every once in a while.
I recommend you to disable the WM6.5 screenlock and use either the old WM or TouchLockPro which is a great piece of software.
I have to agree with the topic.
I've been searching for a good Diamond rom, but can't seem to find one.
I personally don't care about the OS on my phone. 6.1 seems to work well enough.
I do want manilla 2.5 though. It looks better and it's really easy to use with the finger buttons.
Maybe someone could help me out.
I am looking for the following rom:
- Manilla 2.5
- Ability to switch automatic to landscape in; Manilla, contacts and texting windows (don't care about the rest but it would be nice)
- Fast and stable. So for daily use.
- Not to heavy on RAM. I still want to be able to use all my apps.
- CLEAN.
Things I don't care about:
- OS. 6.1 or 6.5 both are welcome
- Playing music.
- Extra apps except for the essentials.
- Enhanced looks. Plain HTC black works fine.
So; clean, fast, stable, RAM friendly and manilla 2.5.
A rom for standard daily usage. Calling, browsing contacts, texting, maybe browsing the web every now and then AND using GPS on SOME occasions.
This is WAY to much to ask for a Diamond rom. But maybe someone could help a guy out.
This one is nice, stable & fast
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=567949