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What do you gain with WM6?

I have seen a lot of posts about cooked rom etc. Just curious what am I gaining by upgrading to WM6? I see there are still bugs to be worked out and community support is definitley the way to do it.
I am a newbie, and I know the upgrade isn't ready for me but I am tempted to test and help the community out but not sure what additonal features are added in WM6 that I should look for and test?
Also which ROM seems to be a all in one upgrade for the Cingular 8525?

Just the faster navi and app run speed will make u wanna upgrade. btw..seems to be more stable than WM5.
PostDeals said:
I have seen a lot of posts about cooked rom etc. Just curious what am I gaining by upgrading to WM6? I see there are still bugs to be worked out and community support is definitley the way to do it.
I am a newbie, and I know the upgrade isn't ready for me but I am tempted to test and help the community out but not sure what additonal features are added in WM6 that I should look for and test?
Also which ROM seems to be a all in one upgrade for the Cingular 8525?
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Here's a MS press release that you can check out:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/feb07/02-11WM6SoftwarePR.mspx
As far as which WM6 d/l's out there, you can refer to the stickies in this forum or the wiki.

Your device will faster, stable, nice icons, you get all the benefits from the new upgrade pointed to you and its feels like a new PPC at zero cost.

It's faster!
I can also confirm, that WM6 is much more faster (my subjective impression is about 1.5 to 2 times faster).
And it looks better
soniX

Can somebody post a benchmark, so we can measure the benefit of WM6.
Still there are many bugs, and different bugs in the WM6-ROMs.
Speed & Style aren't the only quality-attributes!

PostDeals said:
I have seen a lot of posts about cooked rom etc. Just curious what am I gaining by upgrading to WM6? I see there are still bugs to be worked out and community support is definitley the way to do it.
I am a newbie, and I know the upgrade isn't ready for me but I am tempted to test and help the community out but not sure what additonal features are added in WM6 that I should look for and test?
Also which ROM seems to be a all in one upgrade for the Cingular 8525?
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A resume about WM6 / Exchnage 2007
A resume about WM6 / Exchnage 2007

If you're coming from the stock cingular rom (1.34), everything just feels a lot faster, and much more stable. You'd have to spend some time reading to get some of your cingular specific settings back. A lot of those settings are floating around the boards.
If you're after all inclusive, it looks like threedes released a rom with several added programs. If you just want a rom that feels like stock cingular, check out lvsw. that's what i'm running on my 8525, and it's great.

Some additional functionality as well. One of the small yet convenient features is the ease of which you can add a recently called number to existing contacts. in wm5 i would have to start as if creating a new contact and copy and paste the number to a new one. just my penny and a half

After a week with WM6 I've decided to go back to South African ROM 1.35 and Radio ROM 1.27.
Just too many bugs and minor flaws with WM6 I tried I just felt it ain't worth the hustle. ROM 1.35 was as fast and more stable with programs than WM6 was.
I will just kick back and wait for a possible REAL WM6 rom to appear from operators or something. Better to have a stable phone with less pretty icons than a flashy looking pda with bugs.
And since you can gain pretty much everything (xcept for those icons) with tweaks/utils I haven't really found WM6 to be any better.

But isn't WM6 at least twice as fast on your tytn? Mine is and this is a big benefit. Changed again from the e61 to the tytn..
SPB Soft works like a charm.. BT and WIFi do work with WPA2.. Vodafone works great as well.. Never had a more clear sound..
I wouldn't like to change back..

My personal view is that WM6, at least the version I have used, is no faster then the WM5 I was using. I think the reason people always claim the new ROM's are faster is because it is a clean install, the same thing happens with Windows on your PC.
Apart from lots of small tweaks here and there, there is nothing major in WM6 with the exception of the themed bars being more curvy. It's more of a WM5 with a couple of service packs to me. Still, worth a look.

Definitely noticed a significant improvemnt in responsiveness on my M3100.
Also, less phone lockups /issues I think.(subjective judgement)

steiale said:
But isn't WM6 at least twice as fast on your tytn? Mine is and this is a big benefit. Changed again from the e61 to the tytn..
SPB Soft works like a charm.. BT and WIFi do work with WPA2.. Vodafone works great as well.. Never had a more clear sound..
I wouldn't like to change back..
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Well this 1.35 ROM is as fast as WM6 I had. The AKU 3.3 ROM version I had was slow as hell. Speed wasn't the reason to change back from WM6 but the annoying little bugs:
- Windows Update wouldn't close but using Task Manager
- Turn WiFi Off from the balloon
- TomTom 6 ocassional start up problems
- Soft key setup's little change under Text Messages (Where it used to be New now had Delete)
- Pocket MSN/Live problems (constantly tried to open the GPRS connection after sign off and closing the app).
- SPB Backup problem (couldn't unlock a file)
- WiFi annoyance: Even when there were available APs, the
phone didn't announce it but you had to manually go see if there were any
These problems (that I remember off hand) are the reason why Im not going to use WM6 anymore until some legimit party releases one.

@Steiale: You said WPA2 works. Does that mean you can use WPA-AES encryption? If so: what exact version of WM6 are you using - vanilla, ...?
Thanks in advance,
Michael

Can somebody post a benchmark to compare?
2x faster, 1,5x faster isn't much representative.
If a Rom or Radio upgrade is released the signal strenght is always better and always faster and much better battery duration.
If it really was so, we should all have 365 days battery lifetime without charging and always full signal strenght and the program is opened before pressing a button.

Since upgrading to wm6 the most significant changes for me is that it runs faster than wm5 and the pocket outlook (messaging) now does html email

steiale said:
BT and WIFi do work with WPA2...
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Which wm6 rom are you using?
WPA2 is important to me, and would be a reason to upgrade. You do mean WPA2 with AES?
Are these things improved on the mailclient:
- selection of smtp at time of sending (like is possible on symbian), or support for different smtp profiles
- specification of the imap root folder
- bluetooth pan (would love to use this to connect my laptop via tytn to 3G)
Thanks!
Jörg

Well, after just 1 week, WM6(Most Beautiful Edition) seems
1) much, mush faster than before. Faster than my friends WM5 on Dopod838Pro(Hermes).
2)more RAM even
3)Hmm, looks like I am the only one who likes the delete softkey in messaging replacing the new... Probably because I just use SMS...
4)Stable.
5)Faster reboot(useful if you tend to try new software almost every other day).
6)Widcomm can now power up easier(less or no driver memory error). Yeah, for me, the MS Bluetooth stack still sucks for A2DP).. File transfer seem more faster too, probably a pyschological effect from the faster interface..

Whats the most stable??

Hello all,
With all the awesome chef's in the kitchen it is hard to ask this question... but I will.
I would like to know what the most stable WM6 rom is, In your opinion.
I have used Black 2.0... for 2 weeks (seemed flawless)
Then I tried Tried 2.5 then LVSW, and even Custel's ROM but get random freezes, I grab the phone and its froze, missed how many calls?? I can't have this.
Something I might be doing you say, possible but I have even installed no additional apps, and only sync to exchange. I see others having some various issues with differnet roms. So this prompted me to ask the question I have.
So whats the most stable ROM?

i use black 2.5 with his new memory.cab and works great no problems. what programs are you using b/c it may be related to them. maybe use sktools to delete some unneccesary programs from starting on boot and go from there.

Black 1.2 with a weeks+ of working it to perfection. No need to flash anything else for me until WM7 comes out. lol

Coming back to a froze device sounds like you have the sd card lockups, and not rom related, but if you dont have a card installed, dismiss my post.

I was using Black 2.5, I have a lot of freezes in particular when I activeSync and I do activeSync A LOT, (freeze about every 3rd time I activeSync). A few miss call, and call which I have no audio.
I switch to LVSW 4/23 (FULL version), currently with the same applications installed on Black 2.5, my phone seems to be running well, no freezes yet for half a day already. (ActiveSync more than 10 times already)
I am not saying there is any problem with Black 2.5 rom. A lot of people are very happy with Black 2.5. What I am simply saying is that with the set of applications that I need (a few of them are beta apps), LVSW seems more compatibility than Black.
P.S. Using PhoneAlarm, PocketInformat, CEStar, ISilo, Cyberon Voic Speed Dial, and SplashID

I've had no freezing issues, only app I install is im+

I am running Black 2.5 and I too am having similar ActiveSync problems. And it freezes every third time as well. Strange....
noop said:
I was using Black 2.5, I have a lot of freezes in particular when I activeSync and I do activeSync A LOT, (freeze about every 3rd time I activeSync). A few miss call, and call which I have no audio.
I switch to LVSW 4/23 (FULL version), currently with the same applications installed on Black 2.5, my phone seems to be running well, no freezes yet for half a day already. (ActiveSync more than 10 times already)
I am not saying there is any problem with Black 2.5 rom. A lot of people are very happy with Black 2.5. What I am simply saying is that with the set of applications that I need (a few of them are beta apps), LVSW seems more compatibility than Black.
P.S. Using PhoneAlarm, PocketInformat, CEStar, ISilo, Cyberon Voic Speed Dial, and SplashID
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Previously I was using Black 2.0 and never had one freeze. But since I upgraded to 2.5 I get random freezes like couple times a day, I suspect this could be due to the new OS build? Once I have time I would probably reflash it back to 2.0 cuz it's rock stable for me.

Black 2.5 is working sweet as for me.
Couple of freezes with LVSW and XDA Live, but nothing major, i had freezes with the OEM rom, its just what phones and computers seem to do these days!!
I;ll stay Black, but at the end of the day, use the rom, which you think you will get the best community support, has the best community friendliness and if you ever do have troubles, you shouldnt be troubles trying to fix them!

keep in mind that these ROMs are essentially beta (even if based upon the "final" WM6). they do not undergo the rigorous testing that a carrier would provide.
if you are unwilling to deal with this (and RTFW for answers), then you might be better sticking with the factory shipping WM5 roms...

I like Custel's rom, support is there, and rom is quick n smooth

LVSW 4/23
The full version of LVSW 4/23 is the most stable so far for me. This is the first of the WM6 ROMS I can open and run Netfront, Newsbreak, Pocket IE, Messaging, Camera, Resco Explorer, get a phone call at the same time and still have no freezing. I did a little tweaking to it, but out of the gate it is just fine. All I really needed to install in the Keyboard fix and the Cingular settings.

noop, the reason you freeze alot or crashes alot is becoz of CE-Star..all i know is LVSW does not have the problem, but all other rom does...
Don't use the one from WM5, i remember there is a lite version on this fourm (topic x01ht showing chinese or sth)
Why i know, coz i just install ce-star on black, it will never work..it will crash almost anything...The guy who made the lite has a re-edit version of Ce-star for crossbow, that you have to try your own..since all i need is viewing~

They are all good!
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...but at the end of the day, use the rom, which you think you will get the best community support, has the best community friendliness...
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We are all one big happy community here at XDA Developers!
For me with the earlier round of ROMS LVSW 4/23 worked the best. Zero problems. Haven't finished trying out the latest batch yet so I can't say. The bottom line is that with these ROMS you really do have to try them all and make your decision on which one best meets your needs when coupled with the software that you use.
All of these cooks are turning out some nice ROMs, the problems are more frequently caused by programs that are not yet certified for WM6 and the cooks, of course, have no control over this.

I would also suggest not to use any program to clean your OS, e.g. memory maid as it seems become unstable for all rom after cleaning the system with this kind of software.

Hi all,
Thanks for all your responses. I agree support from this forum family is awesome. I also agree with trying several roms to find the one that best fits my needs (but I don't yet know what they are, I just moved from a treo 650, and prior was a treo 600)
I am on LVSW now, I will try it for a bit and see how it goes. I do like Custels as well... Hmmm decisions, decisions. lol
Well thanks again for your responses and thant you Chefs for all your diligent work. You're the Kings in my book.

Comparison Page???
Would it be posible for the creators of the roms to tell us ALL of the bells and whistles that each of them has on it, and someone could compile a chart or page to compare them all? Obviously, the Voice Dial function is important to me, and I dig the Space Invaders, but there is so much more. I would be glad to do it if I could get the info on each with which to begin. As for Stability; is there a way to do a survey that would allow us to rate them according to the opinion of the users here regarding speed of boot/reset and stability and whatever anyone else can think of?
I recently moved to the Dutty Premier Windows Mobile 6 - Full Edition - Version 1 and So far I am very happy with it. And it appears to have all the tools and toys I want and need . . . so far.
Thanks,

If one doesn't already exist, someone please set up a wiki page for comparisons and we'll sticky it.
V

vijay555 said:
If one doesn't already exist, someone please set up a wiki page for comparisons and we'll sticky it.
V
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This is the best there is at the moment.
Not my work just bringing it to your attn
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Cooked_ROMs
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Custel Cingular 1.2
The only WM6 ROM I have upgraded to is Custel's Cingular 1.2. It was a problem free upgrade and I have not experienced a single freeze and the only soft resets I have done were those required to install other applications. Unless someone, including HTC or Cingular, comes out with a version that adds features that I can't live without (and are not added to these cooked ROM's on this forum as CABs), I will be happy to stay with my current version.

Change from WM6 t WM6.1 - advantages?

Hi everybody
I have the main question - what are the main advantages of WM6.1 comparing to WM6.0.
Is WM6.1 worth enought for change if we says about so many mystakes in it?
Sorry fo my english.
Bigfoot

I'm interested too, and what about Battery usage & Speed (memory usage) ?
thanks

There´s quite a few threads with the same question and the answer is usually the same....Try the roms out.
To me is kind of rude when someone says"this one is better than that one" or stuff like that,because these rom cooks are using their time just for us and they don´t deserve those comparisons.....so like I said give different roms a shot and compare yourself.

bigfoot said:
Hi everybody
I have the main question - what are the main advantages of WM6.1 comparing to WM6.0.
Is WM6.1 worth enought for change if we says about so many mystakes in it?
Sorry fo my english.
Bigfoot
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WM 6.1. can be managed from System Center Mobile Device Center (see http://www.microsoft.com/systemcenter/mobile/default.mspx). Thta's a big advantage for the large compagnies
The bluetooth pairing doesn't need the password 0000 toggled in.
Memory & battery usage are still the same.

Going back to WM6
bigfoot said:
Hi everybody
I have the main question - what are the main advantages of WM6.1 comparing to WM6.0.
Is WM6.1 worth enought for change if we says about so many mystakes in it?
Sorry fo my english.
Bigfoot
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After many efforts to work with WM6.1 and with my apps I finally gave up: for the indevidual (and not companies) there still many bugs comparing to the stable WM6: annoying soft-reset, many apps are well integraded with WM6.1 etc.
Sorry, but I do not see how WM6.1 is better than WM6.

but are any of the roms real 6.1...or just lookie likey?????

i have been using PDAVIET 3.08.61.29WWE and it is excellent. I have many apps loaded and have not encountered a single problem. This rom is blazing fast and supports everything i have thrown at. 6.1 has been perfect for me i dont have any problems as i read. i literally install 1 to 2 apps per day and not a single issue. before this i was using FInixNOver WM6.1 and same thing not a single problem.

in fact, i was looking for WM6.1 because i wanted a new GUI ... but microsoft appears to be as same as always ... just sells us old **** that hadn't changed since Windows Mobile 2003 ... poorly unacceptable ... like microsoft ... like always ... i'm just fed up with theses poors OSs, i hope the iPhone2 will get out soon, i will sell my trinity as soon as i can and get this really GOOD device !
there will never be improvements on WM from microsoft for a long time, everyone will have to wait until at least 1 year before seeing the first devices coming with WM7, so i prefer going to a brand that do good human-machine interfaces, and the iPhone is doing really good !
why would we have to stay to WM ?! the iPhone do the Exchange Sync ... i just don't understand anymore microsoft ...

Question about pocket excell and word
I red somewhere that WM 6.1 pocket word and excell documents are in PC full format and for WM6.0 this format is only pocket. Is that true?

To Simkand
Hi
Iphone ? ha ha ha ha
It's so buggy and you need itunes to use it .......
If you want another interface, try ifonz or another one available here
I use now WM6.1 on 3 devices : a trinity, a blue angel and a smartphone : so far so good
And I am not a big fan of Bill !

iPhone
I bought two 8 Gig iPhones the first day they came out. One for myself, and one for my wife. The very next day, I returned mine (10% return charge).
My wife loves it because it's VERY simple to use, and you cannot mess things up easily. But for me, you have to HACK the PISS out of it to get it to do ANYTHING! It's network is dog slow, no MMS, no GPS, no SD slot, no programs to install, (untill I hacked it), it crashes more often than my WM6 devices, JOBS Locks it down every chance he gets, iTunes SUCKS and crashes Windows! I will admit, the screen and the multi-touch is impressive! It makes a GREAT iPod, but a usable communications tool, it's not.
Even with all the hacks on it, it still does not compare to WM6. WM has litterally thousands of software programs you can use freely for just about anything. I'm sure in time, the iPhone will get closer, but for now, not for me.
My biggest pet peeve was the fact that my appointments would not show up on the main screen when I first turn it on. That's something I insist on with my WM phone.
If you want a great TOY with a fantastic screen, then it's fine.

i think differences are only little.. part of it is the sms system. 6.1 transform sms system into some kind of a chat window. well this is quite good considering it is easier to read the history messages

simkard said:
in fact, i was looking for WM6.1 because i wanted a new GUI ...
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Why not trying the new SPB Mobile Shell 2.0?
I am very happy with this.

I apologize for getting side tracked.
iPhone does have a great GUI, it's just locked down making it hard to modify, at least for now.
You are right, WM 6.1 GUI is basically the same. Thanks Bill!
WM 6.1 adds the threaded SMS as mentioned before. It IS slower, but I prefer this layout.
The task manager now shows a LOT more information including running processes, memory consumption, & CPU consumption.
I'm not having any of the problems reported by other users (ie: program incompatibilities, crashes, bluetooth, activesync, etc...), so it's MUCH quicker running on my phone.
Bluetooth is Much more reliable, and simple to hook up (0000 is automatic).
Browsing in File Explorer is Much Quicker.
It might just be me, but my speaker phone seems a bit louder.
Managed Programs as mentioned by Stingray66.
Wireless Lan seems to have less trouble for me. Stays connected without having to set it up constantly.
Just my experiences.

6.1 is perfect for my Trinity, RAM memory avalaible about 25 Mb, A2DP is perfect and direct, without password, multitasking in best way.-
I don´t like the easy touch interface, but in fact, with SPB pocket plus interface is working perfect and with your own custom interface.-
I can see youtube and flash videos, no problem with video and audio files and 100% compatible with Corecodec media player.-
In my own opinion is the best OS for my trinity.-
Thanks Landy.-

cecrops said:
i have been using PDAVIET 3.08.61.29WWE and it is excellent. I have many apps loaded and have not encountered a single problem. This rom is blazing fast and supports everything i have thrown at. 6.1 has been perfect for me i dont have any problems as i read. i literally install 1 to 2 apps per day and not a single issue. before this i was using FInixNOver WM6.1 and same thing not a single problem.
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I agree and .NET 3.5 can be added too. With the tool of Modaco (.NET Configuration) it's possible to switch between .NET versions and even configure the version for each application.

simkard said:
in fact, i was looking for WM6.1 because i wanted a new GUI ... but microsoft appears to be as same as always ... just sells us old **** that hadn't changed since Windows Mobile 2003 ... poorly unacceptable ... like microsoft ... like always ... i'm just fed up with theses poors OSs, i hope the iPhone2 will get out soon, i will sell my trinity as soon as i can and get this really GOOD device !
there will never be improvements on WM from microsoft for a long time, everyone will have to wait until at least 1 year before seeing the first devices coming with WM7, so i prefer going to a brand that do good human-machine interfaces, and the iPhone is doing really good !
why would we have to stay to WM ?! the iPhone do the Exchange Sync ... i just don't understand anymore microsoft ...
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Microsoft Mobile NOOB, too much alcohol or just talking bull****?
Ignore this guy ....

bigfoot said:
I red somewhere that WM 6.1 pocket word and excell documents are in PC full format and for WM6.0 this format is only pocket. Is that true?
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No, WM6 can have integrated Office 6.1 too.

mbon said:
i think differences are only little.. part of it is the sms system. 6.1 transform sms system into some kind of a chat window. well this is quite good considering it is easier to read the history messages
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Yep, threaded SMS ... another advantage of WM 6.1

Hi.
What are you all talking about. There is no official WM6.1 for Trinity, all this ROM - is home made. This is just vinaigrette, mess of different ROM, as well as WM6.

WM6.1 on Hermes vs Kaiser?

I searched and didn't find answer to this question.
While I understand there are still some things to work out between 6.1 on Hermes, how does Wm6.1 perform on Hermes versus on Kaiser?
Or, is it just not a fair comparison?

Depends on why you're asking this question. Flashed several 6.1 roms on the hermes before it crapped out, just got the kaiser a few days ago and flashed even more 6.1 roms on it, guess what, not a huge difference in performance. Yea the kaiser has more zip, but it's hardly a revolution. In fact, I went back to schaps wm6 4.30. If you like wm 6.1 though, stick with the hermes for now, it's more than adequate

Performance wise its all the same. The only advantage i see is more RAM, which means i can use touchflo applications more easily in a kaiser than a hermes. Also in opinion this means less resets! But they are all crapy usual WM LOL.

Kasier vs Hermes
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Depends on why you're asking this question. Flashed several 6.1 roms on the hermes before it crapped out, just got the kaiser a few days ago and flashed even more 6.1 roms on it, guess what, not a huge difference in performance. Yea the kaiser has more zip, but it's hardly a revolution. In fact, I went back to schaps wm6 4.30. If you like wm 6.1 though, stick with the hermes for now, it's more than adequate
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That's good to know. I am using a variant of Schaps 4.31 (WM6) for some time now. Looking into to flash a WM6.1 mainly for zippier response on my Hermes and also comtemplating to get a Kasier. After seeing a few YouTube demos on Kaiser showing how smooth and fast the Kaiser is was tempting me to get a Kaiser. Perhaps I should hold for now and go to HTC diamond later.

I'd been running Hermes for almost 2 years years, just got a used Tilt (Kaiser) from a friend for $250 because they want to upgrade to the new iPhone 3G. I've had it now for about a week. It's definitely a better phone in my opinion -- not revolutionary, but incrementally better. Things that are better:
1) better bluetooth radio range - I can wander pretty far away from the phone (15 feet or so) before I get the "crackly" bluetooth sound, my Hermes would get crackly just a few steps away
2) GPS built in - way too fun, already used it several times! (Using iNAV iGuidance 4.0, Google Maps, WiFiFoFum)
3) More RAM - really does make a difference, you can leave programs running, I think memory leaks from bad programs don't bring you down as fast
4) Faster memory card access - when running apps from the memory card, they load faster
5) LED based backlight - it can get way brighter than Hermes, and won't age and dim like the Hermes one over the long run
6) Slightly thinner and sleeker
7) Better radio reception in places that used to be dead zones no matter which radio I used on my Hermes
8) 3MP camera - loads faster, takes pictures a little bit faster, but the quality does vary, the auto-focus algorithm doesn't always work right.
9) That "tilt" function actually works pretty nicely when reading an e-book.
10) The phone wakes up much more quickly when pressing the power button, and the clock is always up to date (my Hermes always took a few seconds to wake up when pressing the power button, and then you had to wait a few more seconds for the clock to update when checking the time).
11) I like the spring-loaded keyboard slider, even the stock ROM is very fast to rotate the screen for the majority of apps
12) Earpiece speaker quality is slightly better.
I'm using the latest stock AT&T ROM, WM6, Rom date 01/17/08. I just uninstalled and/or moved most of the AT&T shortcuts out of the way so it looks like a clean ROM.
Downsides of Kaiser versus the Hermes:
1) I haven't ventured into hacking and updating the ROM on it yet - it looks more complicated than ROMs on the Hermes. You have to flash different SPLs depending on what ROM you are using, different radios don't work at all with various ROMs, there are "radios from hell" that can't be removed without serious hackery -- it's a much more complicated landscape. Our ROM cookers for Hermes do a great job of simplifying this stuff for us.
2) It's a bit heavier than Hermes, even though it's a tiny bit thinner.
3) No CommManager hardware button. I figured out how to remap the PTT button for this with help from the Kaiser forum.
4) Weirdness with AT&T proxy manager. Even on the stock ROM, MediaNET still requires some manual loving to get MMSs to work.
5) I like the feel of the Hermes keyboard just a bit better (subjective)
6) The buttons on the bottom aren't flush -so I accidentally rejected several calls while pulling the phone out of my pocket until I installed S2U2.
7) MS Voicecommand doesn't seem to be as accurate on Kaiser as it was on the Hermes.
8) No LED Flash - I miss the flashlight from the Hermes. I still can use the screen, which gets much brighter than the hermes, but that LED light was cool.
9) Camera frame rate goes way down in low light - pretty unusable. There is some kind of fix for this I'm still looking into.
Programs in use: Haali Reader (ebook reader), GMail & Opera Mini, (both of these with GC Java Pack 1.2.4 - it's great!), Google Maps, Total Commander v2.5, Laridian Pocketbible 4, SBSH Weather, SPB Time, WM5torage 1.8 with Kaiser fix and 'disable concurrency ' and 'disable RNDIS on Activate' selected, Microsoft Live Search 3.0.3047.24749, PocketCM (to put hi-res contact pictures in place), iContact 0.741, BatteryStatus 1.05.127, MS Voicecommand, Mortplayer, S2U2 v1.05, SPB Pocket Plus 4.0.2, VITO Audio Notes Touch 1.02, installed NETCFv35, KaiserTweak (to soup a few things up, which really helped), HTC Audio Manager, MortPlayer, and syncing with an exchange server. I can't believe how stable this is.

Kaiser vs Hermes
thedogger,
Thank you very much for the insight. It does sounds like Kaiser is a refinement of Hermes whch provides the stability that everyone using Hermes has been screaming.
Again, thanks. Your experience in the switch and insight is very helpful.

I agree with thedogger with all the pro's and con's with the Kaiser, all that said, if you're due for an upgrade or can find a kaiser within around 150 american or less, it's definitely worth an upgrade. The Kaiser just feels more sophistocated; much more stable, Gps is a huge plus, faster installs, brighter screen, tilt keyboard feels awesome, etc...I wouldn't worry about the Diamond($$$), all I've heard so far is that it's kinda slow for a next gen phone. After a week with the kaiser, its the best upgrade I made so far for the pricetag.

Video drivers for hermes?

I've been reading up about http://www.htcclassaction.org for the kaiser and I was wondering if it affects the hermes? I couldn't get the devices page from that site to load, so I couldn't check.
I also tried a search, but this forum is getting so big, that at times the search returns garbage...
Watch this youtube video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg6FtbNRY_w

carcomp said:
I've been reading up about http://www.htcclassaction.org for the kaiser and I was wondering if it affects the hermes? I couldn't get the devices page from that site to load, so I couldn't check.
I also tried a search, but this forum is getting so big, that at times the search returns garbage...
Watch this youtube video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg6FtbNRY_w
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The Hermes is fine, It only affects the Kaiser. and use google to search rather than the inbuilt function, see my sig.

Ya I used the google search. It just returns too much crap sometimes, and I don't have time to search through 10 pages of crap
I was wondering about this b/c the hermes sometimes seems to lag a little, especially when scrolling things like websites, or control panel icons.

If you are running a stock Hermes ROM (WM5 ..... all but the late ones) then the drivers were buggy however the fully working video drivers have been available for a long time now, ALL the WM6 and WM6.1 releases will have the fully working drivers inside.
Its a shame the kaiser had such a bad rep due to the drivers issue, but otherwise a cracker of a device (i skipped it though....not enough cash).

carcomp said:
Ya I used the google search. It just returns too much crap sometimes, and I don't have time to search through 10 pages of crap
I was wondering about this b/c the hermes sometimes seems to lag a little, especially when scrolling things like websites, or control panel icons.
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Thats just the limitations of the hardware and software, anyway, the kaiser has problems with 3D drivers mostly.
Well, what I mean is that the Hermes is a 2 year old device afterall! With no offical WM6.1 builds, so there all ported, by the talented chefs here.

Heh... I get so out of the loop. When the chefs came out with the WM6, then the 6.1, I guess I just expected another miracle soon I remember my first jump from the lame WM5 cingular ROM to Schaps 3.x rom. WHOA. I wanna feel like that again I *have* been toying with the idea of using the very minimal PDAcorner rom and building a custom program base myself, but I only find myself ever doing the following... Playing bejeweled, making calls, or scrolling left and right aimlessly on SPB Mobile shell
Besides, I haven't yet found a program worth really investing some custom setup time into besides those. I tried iContact (pretty cool, but annoying after the first day or so), then i played with Resco explorer (interesting program, as for the plugins for registry and FTP, nice integration there from a programmers point of view), but I haven't had a wow recently. My last wow was SPB shell. I think i installed 50 different skins in the first week.
Do you know of any "wow" applications?

carcomp said:
Heh... I get so out of the loop. When the chefs came out with the WM6, then the 6.1, I guess I just expected another miracle soon I remember my first jump from the lame WM5 cingular ROM to Schaps 3.x rom. WHOA. I wanna feel like that again
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If you tweak the cache settings, well.. my phone feels almost instant with the following settings + 8meg pp:
File system cache: enabled
File system Filter size: 2megs
File system cache: 8192 sectors
Ignore the PNP stuff
Glyphe cache: 32kb
Using advanced config v3
(see sig for the rom im on)