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Worth switching to WM6?

I don't think I'll switch yet obviously because I'll wait for a stable version, but, in the end, will it be worth switching? What are the main advantages of WM6?

Native SIP, that's my main concern and the only real main difference i see ^^

and office and html-mail

El_Mariachi said:
I don't think I'll switch yet obviously because I'll wait for a stable version, but, in the end, will it be worth switching? What are the main advantages of WM6?
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seems stable enough to me, im well happy with LVSW ROM

wm6 is faster, trust me it worth it

I'm using the LVSW ROM here and everything is working good here too. It's not a big change like WM2003SE -> WM5.. but there are some nice changes in WM6. I find it as stable as WM5 for a normal user like myself. By not upgrading you are cutting yourself out from the "Trinity Mobile 6" forum in xda-developers... which should be reason enough to upgrade alone...

I'll offer some ridiculous opinion.
It is worth upgrading to WM6 once you have already upgraded to WM6.
But truthfully, there isnt that much extra in WM6. So it's not especially worth upgrading until you have upgraded... at which point you have nothing to lose.

I suppose it won't do any harm, if it is faster, I would be interested...but in what way? Is that just in running apps and stuff? Also, what's the user memory available?

Well, I found it worth switching to mUn's version, its faster, I have office 2007, better wifi, not any major change, but yeah, its worth it!

Most of those switching at present are doing it 'because they can'
We want to have the most up to date devices, and we love fiddling and sometimes faffing, sometimes f***ing!
If your PPC use is mission critical, don't even consider it until RTM versions are available. Both current WM6 versions are works in progress, fantastic though they both are.
Each has strengths/weaknesses and these forums are invaluable in shaking those down; hopefully before too long we will have fully functional versions we can recommend to everyone.
Once mun_rus fixes the ActiveSync problems, we will be much closer to a fully configured WM6 build which is fast and reliable, and there is no doubt at all the LVSW won't be far behind.
Hopefully their sterling efforts will shame HTC into providing a 'factory' ROM for those who don't like the risks involved in unofficial ROMs, but I suspect that these 2 will remain ahead of the game in providing faster, more memory efficient,customised versions.

NeilM said:
Most of those switching at present are doing it 'because they can'
We want to have the most up to date devices, and we love fiddling and sometimes faffing, sometimes f***ing!
If your PPC use is mission critical, don't even consider it until RTM versions are available. Both current WM6 versions are works in progress, fantastic though they both are.
Each has strengths/weaknesses and these forums are invaluable in shaking those down; hopefully before too long we will have fully functional versions we can recommend to everyone.
Once mun_rus fixes the ActiveSync problems, we will be much closer to a fully configured WM6 build which is fast and reliable, and there is no doubt at all the LVSW won't be far behind.
Hopefully their sterling efforts will shame HTC into providing a 'factory' ROM for those who don't like the risks involved in unofficial ROMs, but I suspect that these 2 will remain ahead of the game in providing faster, more memory efficient,customised versions.
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Excellent round up of most users' opinion here I guess I'm using LVSW's version now, no huge changes and stuff, but the extra speed and cool new looks are enough for me , and of course if it's there, why not try it

you guys present compelling reasons to check out the WM6 ROMS, however, i have a couple of concerns/questions: does GPS & TomTom 6 work and internet connection sharing work with the upgraded ROM? what about the Office 2007 apps included with WM6 are they working? i just began reading the threads so forgive me if these questions have been answered already. thx for the replies...

cortezzi said:
you guys present compelling reasons to check out the WM6 ROMS, however, i have a couple of concerns/questions: does GPS & TomTom 6 work and internet connection sharing work with the upgraded ROM? what about the Office 2007 apps included with WM6 are they working? i just began reading the threads so forgive me if these questions have been answered already. thx for the replies...
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Everything you mention works. Not sure about the internet sharing tho, can someone tell if that works?

Internet sharing works perfectly well

Will the same software still work? Along with backups?

I follow you , My problem is that i got too much soft on my wm5, and it'll take me too much time to reinstall all this. So can we backup from wm5 and restore to wm6 ? ( is there some changes in the registry architecture ? )
thanks for your answer.

torpie13 said:
I follow you , My problem is that i got too much soft on my wm5, and it'll take me too much time to reinstall all this. So can we backup from wm5 and restore to wm6 ? ( is there some changes in the registry architecture ? )
thanks for your answer.
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I ain't no ROM-chef, but to my knowledge the registry is very much the same on both OS'. However: i must stress that it is very unwise to restore backups that were made on a different ROM image (that's even the case for same OS ROM's, like WM5 aku 2 >to> WM5 aku 3 for instance).
For best performance without any quirks, you should best always rebuild the device (and hey; WM6 probably makes you require less third-party apps )

The only problem i see for now is that video call and VOIP don't work well on those WM6 roms, everything else is fine and nice but it kinda takes away the benefits of upgrading to WM6. I'm going back to WM5 after a week of testing but I admire the work of those fantastic devs !

Moaske said:
I ain't no ROM-chef, but to my knowledge the registry is very much the same on both OS'. However: i must stress that it is very unwise to restore backups that were made on a different ROM image (that's even the case for same OS ROM's, like WM5 aku 2 >to> WM5 aku 3 for instance).
For best performance without any quirks, you should best always rebuild the device (and hey; WM6 probably makes you require less third-party apps )
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But with all those same apps work on WM6?

Has anyone tried Spb GPRS monitor on it?
I need this program cuz i run my laptop's internet through it.

So many roms...ARGHHHH

Guys,
Been testing the various roms available for some time now, XDALive, Black, Schaps etc but just can't find a single Rom that allows the phone to function as its supposed to, i.e. Fast, efficient and usable.
XDA Live and Black appeared to be great at first, until I installed TomTom and a few other minor apps, at which point they just slowed until the phone took 2/3 seconds to come out of standby, and when ringing the phone, it wouldn't even make a sound until the 2nd/3rd ring!?
Yesterday I flashed to Schaps and its even worse, before installing ANYTHING extra! 3/4 seconds from standby although it is a great looking rom.
Just seems a real shame, is the phone's hardware the limitation or is there a Rom out there that really does make a good job of enabling the best functionality from the Hermes??

ashleyhall said:
Guys,
Been testing the various roms available for some time now, XDALive, Black, Schaps etc but just can't find a single Rom that allows the phone to function as its supposed to, i.e. Fast, efficient and usable.
XDA Live and Black appeared to be great at first, until I installed TomTom and a few other minor apps, at which point they just slowed until the phone took 2/3 seconds to come out of standby, and when ringing the phone, it wouldn't even make a sound until the 2nd/3rd ring!?
Yesterday I flashed to Schaps and its even worse, before installing ANYTHING extra! 3/4 seconds from standby although it is a great looking rom.
Just seems a real shame, is the phone's hardware the limitation or is there a Rom out there that really does make a good job of enabling the best functionality from the Hermes??
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Same-same feeling here. Tried all, still can't get the reliability and responsiveness of original WM5 Jasjam ROM. It's not a rant and of course I can always go back, but it makes me wander never the less..
Edit 15:30,
Well after such a statement I guess I owe some specifics:
- Hermes 100 and 200
- SPL-2.10.Olipro
- IPL: 1.04
- Radio: v1.43.00.00
- Tried the various available RTM versions, much too slow responding, haven't resolved the SOD problem for me
- reverted to what I consider to be the most stable and comfortable release - LVSW 19/5 (elf edition), still experience SOD but apprx. once in 24 Hrs. Still makes the WM6 Hermes unreliable as a phone, since for those unfamiliar with SOD, it means that while actually frozen, the phone looks externaly to be OK and working, respective LEDs blinking. Tried all solutions known and yet some.. drafted to this some heavy dev colleagues but still there.

Frustrating isn't it, perhaps the Hermes just isn't ready for WM6, would be logical as they haven't launched the Hermes OEM with WM6 yet have they?
Cheers, Ash

If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.

Sleuth255 said:
If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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Can do, how do you believe its better than the rest? Where can I get it from?
Thanks mate!

Click the link on my sig.
My ROM is a graft and is not based on any one m$ hermes build. It has components from a number of different devices.

Sleuth255 said:
If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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Sleuth255, you are counted with the serious in my book, so I should definitely do so. At the moment I kind of stabilized my devices (less than a SOD in every 24 Hrs. time frame), and I am pretty dependant on my phone.. but... at same time I've a XDA-dev soul, so I don't count on myself to withstand the temptation to try yours...
However Ash's quest remains. WTF happens with WM6 on the Hermes. No disrespect to those praising it, but if it doesn't work here, it most probably doesn't work elsewhere if you push it to same limits I do.. And where is HTC's RTM. I would expect it's core to be reasonably well, then use it in the kitchen for "our flavours", but apparently RTM is not there yet, or is it RTM ?

Sleuth255 said:
If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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Sleuth255, you are counted with the honorable in my address book, so I should definitely try yours, thank you. At the moment I kind of stabilized my devices (less than a SOD in every 24 Hrs. time frame) with LVSW-Elf 2.1, and I am pretty dependant on my phones.. However... at same time I've a XDA-dev soul, so I don't count on myself to withstand the temptation to try yours...
In any case Ash's quest remains. WTF happens with WM6 on the Hermes. No disrespect to those praising it, but if it doesn't work here, it most probably doesn't work elsewhere. At least if you push the envelope to same limits I do.. And where is HTC's RTM. I would expect it's core to first be reasonably solid, then use it in the kitchen for cooking our flavours, but apparently RTM is not there yet, or is it RTM at all, and if it is how come it ain't published on HTC support site yet ?
Questions..questions... but it's fun, isn't it ?

HTC's core CE/XIP for hermes was RTM as of v5.2.1238 and is quite stable IMO. It's the IMGFS that's buggy.
Hermes has always had issues coming out of standby and this delay is what affects the time the call connects to the time you hear the first ring. I noticed this the very first time I tried my TyTN (coming from a Wizard).
I've always wanted to uncover the specific code that handles this because there's also a nagging bit that forces portrait mode as a workaround for the magnets in the case Because of this, I have to disable standby whenever I'm using my stowaway bt keyboard.
edit: SOD could be solved as well by dis-assembling this code...

Sleuth, I agree with you (again). And you are also very right on RTM (I happen to be somehow..remotely... connected to them people in Redmond, but I shouldn't exploit this subject too much here.....
Anyway it's pi__ing me off quite a lot and the "Israeli Team" has given SOD a good chunk of time to no result. What amazes me is that this is one Huge issue that doesn't ring an alarm at HTC's.. BTW assuming that under the hood Hermes 100 and Hermes 200 are one and the same (so says my favorite CTO), I can't understand how would my JasJam (original WM5 ROM) be bullet proof in respect to SOD, while my TyTn showed SOD and call delay on WM5 as well. Maybe all Hermesses weren't born equal (and I refer to the latest crop, post childhood issues).
I happened to work with HTC and I know them to take stuff like this seriously. What happens here ....

So can we conclude that the Hermes wasn't ever *supposed* to run WM6, hence why all the WM6 roms just simply don't really work very well once you install just a couple of apps? Some without even installing supplemental programs?

I can't conclude that. WM6 works wonderfully on my hermes. I can conclude at this point that the device has some powersave related ideosyncracies that may or may not be software related. This is why I'm interested in your XP with my ROM.

Sleuth255 said:
I can't conclude that. WM6 works wonderfully on my hermes. I can conclude at this point that the device has some powersave related ideosyncracies that may or may not be software related. This is why I'm interested in your XP with my ROM.
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I agree with Sleuth, WM6 works so much better on my TyTn than WM5... In every way.
Ok, the (slight) wakeup delay at phonecalls is there but certainly no more than with WM5. And Sleuth's new ROM is very stabile, pretty fast and with very little memory leaks.
At least it is in my case...

Ive been using WM6 releases for hermes since they first surfaced
my favourites are
Schap's WM6 Pro 3.30c
LVSW (latest June release)
Windows Mobile VI Pro - Black 2.5
I don't use Device for gaming at all
I use It strictly for work, this means:
Organizing my day with SBSH PocketBreeze
Chatting with Live messenger
see the weather news with weatherPanel (Schap's ROM replaced my choice of weatherpanel)
I work with/edit simple word documents on the road and e-mail them
Take many photos and record videos
and also watch big videos 22~50megs in both .wmv and .3gp format
Surely some ROM's were a real pain and unstable
with the above mentioned ROM's
My device Is stable and fast
Reading around thoughts and opinions surely will help many new to the PDA scene and surely will reward them with knowledge and make their WM experience more fun and useful rather than adventurous and experimenting
Definetely my TyTN is more useful fast and stable now with WM6
rather than when It was fueled with WM5
Just my 2 cents

sugardad said:
Definetely my TyTN is more useful fast and stable now with WM6
rather than when It was fueled with WM5
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Same here, I'm very pleased with WM6 (currently vp3G). I've installed some apps and its faster and more stable than before. I have no freezes, no sleeps of dead, no lock ups - with none of the Roms.
Programs in use:
Always running:
.) ILauncher
.) PhotoContactsPro
.) BatteryStatus
Installed:
.) Mobipocket Reader
.) SK Tools
.) Vijay's Brighter Screen
.) enAlarm
.) GS Finder
.) Total Commander
.) PocketIrked

My first WM6 ROM was the XDA Live.. then I started playing with the free storage.. created modified XDA Live ROM ( later called "WM6 Brick" because it wouldn't boot for ppl without MFG BL).. anyway.. a week later I bricked my Hermes completely trying to get it working with all BLs.. Then I was out for 2 months.. as my Hermes was being repaired..
When it came back I started flashing it with different WM6 roms.. (I guess I liked it much more when there had been only one wm6 rom available). They've all looked nice.. but none of them have been stable. I don't care so much about the speed.. but I hate when it freezes while I am scrolling the file list in the built-in Explorer.. and this happens with all WM6 roms I've tested.
I guess that at some point it will be stable enough for me to use it.. but as I don't need html-emails.. or sd-card encryption I guess I'll stick to WM5 for a while :/

I've tried:
Custel 2.5
ALL of the Blacks
Elf's 2.1
LVSW
Faria
I am with Custel 2.5 right now and I love it. No sleeps of death here.
I'm running:
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Weather
SPB Phone Profile
IM+
Today Agenda
MobiReader
Google Maps (Latest Build)
MortgageCALC
After being "awake" for 12 hours, I still have 23.4 MB of memory avail. with normal usage.
I don't do any media on my phone; I don't even have the media net settings loaded to my connections. I use it strictly for business: direct push mail, text message between the contractors, phone calls, scheduling and looking up houses, google search quite a bit and the PIM software.
Perfect ROM for me:
4mb pagepool
HTweak 1.5
Windows Media Player (for ring tones only)
Office 2007
RedEdit
NO Task Manager
Java Manager
Internet Sharing
NO Streaming Media
NO Audio Manager
PocketRAR
The updated file explorer that's floating
NO Live
NO Messenger
Unfortunately I'm not a cook.
Jim

I have tried both the Elf V2.1 and the BlackShadow and both have worked very well for me so far. I have so far only added the following external apps:
1. Ateksoft Webcamera Plus
2. Adobe Flash Lite 2.1
3. Adobe Reader LE 2
I definitely love my phone now even more so than when I first bought it when it came with WM5.

ROM, Radios, Carriers, Phones each has its own benefits, if you put some together they dnt work, you can change one thing it could work.
i can honestly say that i have only had problems with the early blacks, shadow works fine for me, wheras others worship black 2.5.
personally i always use sleuths roms they definately the fastest & most stable (for me anyway!!)
One last tip
Unless you are in the UK dont use radio 1.43 it is designed for the UK and not too good elsewhere

Newb-Tech-Realtor said:
I've tried:
Custel 2.5
ALL of the Blacks
Elf's 2.1
LVSW
Faria
I am with Custel 2.5 right now and I love it. No sleeps of death here.
I'm running:
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Weather
SPB Phone Profile
IM+
Today Agenda
MobiReader
Google Maps (Latest Build)
MortgageCALC
After being "awake" for 12 hours, I still have 23.4 MB of memory avail. with normal usage.
I don't do any media on my phone; I don't even have the media net settings loaded to my connections. I use it strictly for business: direct push mail, text message between the contractors, phone calls, scheduling and looking up houses, google search quite a bit and the PIM software.
Perfect ROM for me:
4mb pagepool
HTweak 1.5
Windows Media Player (for ring tones only)
Office 2007
RedEdit
NO Task Manager
Java Manager
Internet Sharing
NO Streaming Media
NO Audio Manager
PocketRAR
The updated file explorer that's floating
NO Live
NO Messenger
Unfortunately I'm not a cook.
Jim
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I think my v3.0 *almost* fits your "perfect rom"

Problems with new WM6 Official or "When is WM6 becoming a reality?"

Hi folks,
Really... I don't know about everyone else but I'm getting really pissed with the general usability of WM6! There is no single ROM that would just offer all the bits and pieces of a full working, polished, feature complete WM6 implementation.
I've been trying all available ROM images (Pdaviet, Mun's, Dopod Official etc) and up to now I haven't been able to find a single solution that would "just work".
On the new Official ROM there is no VOIP support (SIP is nowhere to be found), my Memory-Stick (4gb SDHC) becomes inaccessible from time to time, all the filenames start showing up as strange characters strings and it only goes back to normal after a soft-reset.
I'm sure your mileage may vary but up to now I've had no luck with WM6. Sure it is faster than WM5 but as a software engineer I would not consider it as being more than a beta quality release.
So... any thoughts on:
- Is it possible to get SIP working on WM6?
- Is it possible to get Video calling working?
- What about a stable memory card? (Yes, I've tried TrinityHack)
Best,
M Addario
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HTC P3600

yes
yes
i think so
*lots* of posts on these issues in this forum...

racerx_ said:
yes
yes
i think so
*lots* of posts on these issues in this forum...
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Yes... I know... My questioning is more on "why in hell is an official ROM allowed out when it seems clearly not ready for the end user". Even if there is a way of fixing all the mentioned problems I strongly feel that such basic, obvious things, shouldn't be broken to start with, at least on an official release.
I just hope Mun's Indigo comes as a final solution.
:/

Would it not be better if like the Open Source Community we concentrate our efforts on a single ROM that is considered a good quality base and then improve that to the stage of a polished ROM? At the moment I would vote for:
HTC_Trinity_3.00.07.09.PV.rar
as it is updated more frequently than most. Also we can then add custom packs to the ROMs which people can download e.g.
Base WM6 Rom version (continually updated by the community with minimal pro grammes, whereby each version addresses fixes)
Pack 1 - Office 2007 Apps (6.1)
Pack 2 - 3rd Party Tools e.g. Sprite Backup etc.
Pack 3 - Customizations etc.
You get the picture...
Hawk

addario said:
Yes... I know... My questioning is more on "why in hell is an official ROM allowed out when it seems clearly not ready for the end user". Even if there is a way of fixing all the mentioned problems I strongly feel that such basic, obvious things, shouldn't be broken to start with, at least on an official release.
I just hope Mun's Indigo comes as a final solution.
:/
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dear friend, no offence to you, the cookers in xda-dev are doing it out of passion and for the benefit of fellow recipients like me. Of course they have their own preferences and flavors. if you would like to have YOUR-ALL-IN-ONE, then i think the best way is for you to cook one yourself. if not, then live with what's available. The official-official dopod rom is out for download on the OFFICIAL HTC WEBSITE. i am sure you can find some mirror sites for download.

Keeping it simple...
Nighthawk2050 said:
Would it not be better if like the Open Source Community we concentrate our efforts on a single ROM...
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You see.... I totally get what you mean. Though I don't think that the way to go would be necessarily concentrating on a single ROM version but rather in keeping each one "clean". By that I mean the current biggest problem with all the cooked versions (in my view) is exactly that each developer does what he thinks is best, adding and removing stuff at his will... well... of course they are doing it and they feel like doing it the way they please but when it comes to please everyone else it is almost impossible to keep this track.
It would be SO MUCH easier if the ROMs were provided in the cleanest possible way and alongside with them a pack of CAB files that you could use to add the features you fancy.
By the way... I just noticed that using X-Button to close any app accessing my SDHC memory card causes it to go totally nuts... If I just leave them open everything is OK so it is if I use other task manager to close them (that is using the latest official dopod ROM).
Best,
M Addario
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HTC P3600

addario said:
By the way... I just noticed that using X-Button to close any app accessing my SDHC memory card causes it to go totally nuts... If I just leave them open everything is OK so it is if I use other task manager to close them (that is using the latest official dopod ROM).
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I think I just spoke too early :/ Just left the device alone for a couple of minutes (without closing any app) and when I got back to it the memory card was inaccessible again... F*£!$&@ this :/ Damn...

addario said:
Hi folks,
Really... I don't know about everyone else but I'm getting really pissed with the general usability of WM6! There is no single ROM that would just offer all the bits and pieces of a full working, polished, feature complete WM6 implementation.
I've been trying all available ROM images (Pdaviet, Mun's, Dopod Official etc) and up to now I haven't been able to find a single solution that would "just work".
On the new Official ROM there is no VOIP support (SIP is nowhere to be found), my Memory-Stick (4gb SDHC) becomes inaccessible from time to time, all the filenames start showing up as strange characters strings and it only goes back to normal after a soft-reset.
I'm sure your mileage may vary but up to now I've had no luck with WM6. Sure it is faster than WM5 but as a software engineer I would not consider it as being more than a beta quality release.
So... any thoughts on:
- Is it possible to get SIP working on WM6?
- Is it possible to get Video calling working?
- What about a stable memory card? (Yes, I've tried TrinityHack)
Best,
M Addario
--
HTC P3600
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If you are a software engineer why dont you make your own rom how you want it. I appreciate the fact that there are developers here that make great roms and then share with the rest of the community.

I´ve also been noting that battery consumption is still crappy...
Yesterday evening I fullt charged the battery, today I have: watched a 1 hour video with Coreplayer using original headphones, made a 8 min. phonecall over normal GSM network, installed (tried to install ) comm managers and dialpads, soft resetted about 5 times and surfed the web for about half an hour. Now I have one bar left on my battery meter...
Is this normal? It seems a very short battery life for me...

IMO the official ROM is ridiculously unstable. A2DP is pure crap, WMP crashes randomly, phone will freeze randomly, ISP settings disappearing after soft reset, general slowness in GPS apps like Navigon, Destinator, IMO lower call quality; just to name a few. I did not have any of these problems with AX3L's ROM or any of the "unofficial" ROMs. I'm flashing back to AX3L's ROM tonight as the crap A2DP is inexcusable!

I'm using Dopod SEA and it has no problems

Hello,
I'm using Dopod ANZ and it has no problems.
But one question for the ANZ Radio :1.46.30.11 what is the difference with the SEA Radio (1.46.0.11) ??
Private69.
@++++

I have a problem with SEA ROM... Caller ID (Name) not detected at all... Only Caller number appear on the screen... Any help?

I had to revert back to AXEL's ROM because of all the freezing the 'official' ROM did to my phone.

addario said:
Really... I don't know about everyone else but I'm getting really pissed with the general usability of WM6!
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I use the Australian ROM and am happy with its functionality. It does exactly what was expected, considering it is really WM5 with a few enhancements. I think its easy to criticise WM6 for what it doesn't have, but perhaps you should look at the improvements that have been made from previous versions.
Granted there aren't that many (HTML mail probably being the one significant update) but Microsoft doesn't really have any comparable competition with the PDA/Phone market at the moment. Perhaps Apple might inject a bit of competition into it with the iPhone.

WHY move to WM6? Your MUSTs?

Sorry to ask you guys, but after a lot of search in the forum, and playing for a while with a Touch, I haven't see a compeling reason to move my Trinity from my actual version :HTC SPA GPS Official tweaked and + or - working properly.
So that's my question: Why YOU would decide/reccomend WM6 over WM5?
Thanks a lot for the advice.
Regards.
PD I did download the WM6 Faman SPA ROM, but yet reluctant to install. Help me decide!

a) keep up with the times - you'll have to eventually anyway
b) update wm6 without having to re-flash it
c) html emails!
d) looks nicer
e) other stuff which i've yet to find out about -- that's right, i haven't upgraded from wm5 to wm6 yet! still waiting for an official wm6 rom. might go with indigo full if it's not too buggy and if mun fixes the poor radio signal problem.

WM6 is:
Faster
More stable
HTML email
Updated Office
More available RAM
Nicer looking
These reasons should be enough to convince you to upgrade provided that you have the time to reinstall all of your applications and setup your device from scratch.

forcedalias said:
b) update wm6 without having to re-flash it
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Please explain me this?? (maybe problem is just my english understanding)
By the way I just finnish put new PDAVIET ROM and it's going quite well!!!

forcedalias said:
a) keep up with the times - you'll have to eventually anyway
b) update wm6 without having to re-flash it
c) html emails!
d) looks nicer
e) other stuff which i've yet to find out about -- that's right, i haven't upgraded from wm5 to wm6 yet! still waiting for an official wm6 rom. might go with indigo full if it's not too buggy and if mun fixes the poor radio signal problem.
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Thanks for your info!
Granted, I will keep up with the times, but after WM2003 (full restore no longer available), the hassles of upgrading have overcomed the benefits.
I understand that what you mean by wm6 upgrades without reflashing is without reinstalling apps, isn't it?
As for html e-mails... well I don't use HTML a lot even in my desktop, nor do I check e-mail in my Trinity other than web-mail.......
For the look... you mean the gray Today screen? IT seems OK, but not to the extent of upgrading ;o))
Really, some nice points to be aware. Thanks.

Matterhorn said:
WM6 is:
Faster
More stable
HTML email
Updated Office
More available RAM
Nicer looking
These reasons should be enough to convince you to upgrade provided that you have the time to reinstall all of your applications and setup your device from scratch.
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Faster: That would be one good reason! WM5 is soooo sloooowww.....
Stable: my second best one!
HTML e mail... well, not a key point to me, but I'll take that one too.
Updated Office: I've never been able to do a lot of work on Office apps. It's nice to add some data on the go, as to expenses reports and so on, but not "real" formatting and the like. Too many compromises when "syncing" excel complex datasheets to name one "minus" point.
How much more RAM available are we talking?
As for the nicer looking, I admit it might be, but after one hour or so with an i-phone, EVERY WM device looks... well.... past century.....
Obviously, reinstalling all apps, the registry tweaks, the network settings, etc, is a big drawback, especially if I've to roll back everything, as happened too many times with the S200.
Well, thanks for pointing the issues for my, i'm getting closer to the upgrade.

Matterhorn said:
WM6 is:
Faster
More stable
HTML email
Updated Office
More available RAM
Nicer looking
These reasons should be enough to convince you to upgrade provided that you have the time to reinstall all of your applications and setup your device from scratch.
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IMHO the first two (faster, more stable) are theoretical. I've been using various WM6 ROMs, and I don't see much increase in speed compared to WM5, and the beta/cooked/hacked roms aren't as stable as well (but the official WM5 has issues too, so maybe because it's just a Windows after all...)

mikhe69 said:
Please explain me this?? (maybe problem is just my english understanding)
By the way I just finnish put new PDAVIET ROM and it's going quite well!!!
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I was referring to the Windows Update feature on WM6 that'll allow you to download updates for WM6 via the internet as oppose to flashing your phone with a whole new ROM which'll mean re-installing all your apps etc.

MrSteve said:
IMHO the first two (faster, more stable) are theoretical. I've been using various WM6 ROMs, and I don't see much increase in speed compared to WM5, and the beta/cooked/hacked roms aren't as stable as well (but the official WM5 has issues too, so maybe because it's just a Windows after all...)
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Hi,
One significant speed increase: Use File Explorer to access "\windows"
This directory contains a large number of files.
In WM5 it takes very long (10-20 seconds from memory).
in WM6 it takes 1-2 seconds, hinting at significant improvements in file system routines.
This might also have indirect impacts on other functions.
Cheers

WM6 vs WM5 performance comparison

Is the original WM6 for Artemis more responsive in general use than the WM5 version? I'm also interested if the cooked ROM's (Touch 4.02 for example) have any speed advantages when running TomTom. In my WM5 TomTom is quite slow. Can anyone comment on the performance of TomTom using different ROM's? Is there any visual difference?
About battery life, I've read a lot about some experiencing power drain but others getting even better battery performance with the same ROM. Is it even possible to say whether WM6 increased battery life vs WM5 or not? Please post your experiences, as I am trying to decide to upgrade or not to, because it is a small risk aswell.

in general: DUMP WM5 !
Advantages ( amongst others) of WM6:
- no data loss when out-off battery !!!!
- tomtom and other apps run more smoothly/quickly (subjectively)
The battery-drain for sure is a concerning matter, due to being based on gsm polling problems on certaain machines/radio versions!
he last tested and afaik original artemis radio rom is version 02.98.90.
greetz

totally agree and i suggest go forward to WM 6.1
WM5 is only history
thormdac said:
in general: DUMP WM5 !
Advantages ( amongst others) of WM6:
- no data loss when out-off battery !!!!
- tomtom and other apps run more smoothly/quickly (subjectively)
The battery-drain for sure is a concerning matter, due to being based on gsm polling problems on certaain machines/radio versions!
he last tested and afaik original artemis radio rom is version 02.98.90.
greetz
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wm5 is faster in my opinion that wm6 and wm6 totally kills your battery time which is a big nusience..
also wm6 seems more complicated with the simple phone functions....
I have tried some of the cooked rom's and have so many problem with the screen auto rolling when I don't want it to and sometimes I will click on "ok" and it doesn't seem to register for 3-4 seconds....
in general for phone and email use I am going back to wm5 to get back the battery time and general usability of the phone itself...
with wm5 I hardley ever ran out of battery time however with wm6 there has been a few occassions where I have not had a chance to charge the phone in one or two days and it has gone flat when I really needed it... simple things like this make the upgrade not worthwhile IMO, even if there are better features and nicer look in wm6..

Still confused what to do then with my xda orbit!
Just found this thread.
Mixed advice it would seem.
I've just bought an XDA ORBIT. It's still got Windows Mobile 5 and has TOMTOM 6 installed.
I still don't know whether I should UPGRADING TO WINDOWS 6.0 OR NOT?
Some say TomTom6 runs better on Windows 5, some disagree.
I also have copilot 6.0 discs which I could use instead. Anyone have a preference between Tomtom6 and Copilot 6 on the xda orbit?
Thanks in advance,
Matt.

I strongly reccomend skipping WM6.0 and going streight to WM6.1, and go for the "Touch 4.01" rom. I'd personally reccomend the vanilla one, as it's the fastest, and most of the installed stuff will be useless on the bulkier roms.
TomTom 6 runs very well on WM6.1, better than I remember on 5.0, however, i'm using a much later version I got from an unmentionable place. Takes only 3-4s to load from the today screen.
As for the data loss with WM5, that's actually a bit of a fib. Non-volatile storage was introduced with WM5, and enhanced for WM6. It was WM2003/SE when there were issues with volatile storage, and the in-ability to actually turn a device off.
Hope this helps

thormdac said:
in general: DUMP WM5 !
he last tested and afaik original artemis radio rom is version 02.98.90.
greetz
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Latest official o2 wm6 rom is shipping with radio version 3.06.90, which I found very good.
Wish there was stand alone install for this one, so I could use it with touch 4.02.