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Hi,
I thought id post this here as well, as its a concern for Touch Pro2 owners.
Basically, the Touch Pro 2 has a little sticker under the battery cover, but on the outside, which goes from cross-hatched to red if it gets red. If you send one in for repair with it red, the UK repair centre doesnt even look at it, and bills you over £300 for a repair (or £20 to get the phone back unrepaired).
Thing is, im sure it hasnt met water. It must have been my sweaty hands when changing the SD card (whose slot is right next to the sticker).
I advise everyone with a touch pro 2 to cover the sticker somehow (i covered it in a tiny bit of paper, which in turn i covered with plastic tape on my replacement touchpro2 from ebay).
See my original thread (with a picture) here
http://www.modaco.com/content/pocke...657/htc-uk-refusing-to-repair-my-touch-pro-2/
Im currently in dispute with HTC about this. I filled in their customer service satisfaction survey with very low marks, and someone from HTC rang me, and said he would try and sort it. Ive also written 2 letters to their head office and their repair centre to complain.
George
Is it possible to just cover the sticker with a piece of cellophane tape?
Thanks for the heads-up dude. Just checked mine and it's half turned read. It's about a week old so no idea how it happened. Unless rain somehow got in it, but if you can't use them in the rain without voiding warranty that is shocking.
Interesting - mind attaching that picture here for those of us who aren't members of the other forum? This is pretty scary for HTC to base their entire decision to warranty on a moisture-sensitive sticker......
Here is the pic...
Here is the picture HTC sent me. Interesting to see other(s) have had the issue. Has anyone else got a red sticker despite not having got it wet? that will help my case with HTC if it comes to small claims situation...
thanks
George
ripnetuk said:
Here is the picture HTC sent me. Interesting to see other(s) have had the issue. Has anyone else got a red sticker despite not having got it wet? that will help my case with HTC if it comes to small claims situation...
thanks
George
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wow...thats kind of sneeky of them to do. I have had someone spill water next to my phone and that would ahve easily caused it to turn red. Or lets say your talking on the phone in the rain. If a water dropplet hits it the right way, the red sitcker is going to show. I guess I will put scotch tape over it.
Just checked mine and found a red sticker. Hope I dont have need of repair service.
Yep my 10 week old one is pinky red, still works ok, I don't think it has changed since I had it though?
It might be different on the CDMA model, but I don't see one near the microSD slot. There is one on the opposite side that is clearly visible. With 3 internal moisture detectors (one on the headphone jack), one on the side, and one on the battery, it sure sounds like some planned obsolescence just through regular wear and tear.
Also, remember that the sticker is already pink/red, but it will bleed out when wet (or even humid).
ripnetuk said:
Here is the picture HTC sent me. Interesting to see other(s) have had the issue. Has anyone else got a red sticker despite not having got it wet? that will help my case with HTC if it comes to small claims situation...
thanks
George
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Thank you for the picture, George! Mine is still nice and white with red cross hatches, BUT..... I noticed that the mount I was using from ProClip custom mounted on my air vent in my vehicle produced a TON of condensation on the backside of my phone the last time I removed it - today was a hot one here in Florida! Since the air vent is largely blocked by the phone's holster, I decided to suffocate the vent by pulling off the vent and putting a plastic bag inside it and then reassembling the cover, so it isn't out of place.
Considering I run a vinyl graphics company, I'll be getting a small square of my thin by heavy duty metallic grey vinyl cut out and put over an oversized section of the moisture detector!!! NOT going to have anyone dispute warranty issues with me over unpredictable weather or a small amount of condensation!!!
Wow, I checked my phone which I just got a week ago, and that sticker is already is half red (other half is still white). Of course it was no where near water except for maybe when I put on the screen protector. I hope we get enough complaints about this to HTC so they'll work something out with us. By the way, I have a Sprint TP2.
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Of course it was no where near water except for maybe when I put on the screen protector.
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(remembering that I just said I run a vinyl graphics company....)
Why in the world did your phone come into contact with water when you were putting on the screen protector???????????
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(remembering that I just said I run a vinyl graphics company....)
Why in the world did your phone come into contact with water when you were putting on the screen protector???????????
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Sprayed the screen with a water based solution to apply the screen protector?
Got a response back from HTC
Dear Sir,
I apologise for the delay getting back to you - I wanted to be certain I had all the information at hand before replying.
I am afraid that unfortunately, the answer is not good, and the repair centre and sticking with their stance in this matter.
This quote comes directly from our escalations office, after they received your letter:
Keeping a phone in plastic bag in Hot or Humid conditions can cause condensation, especially when there is a temperature change. Not being able to package the phone “correctly” is not a suitable claim, the packaging arrived with us undamaged.
Actual fault is irrelevant, the device has been in contact with moisture and has been modified without consent (illegal software)
Modification without consent is against the warranty card. The use of non HTC software to unlock a device or install unofficial, and unlicensed versions of Microsoft products is also against the warranty, and in the case of Microsoft software also illegal and infringes on copyright laws. If this had been the only issue he would have been quoted for Mainboard replacement only.
The effects of moisture entering a device cannot be predetermined, the fact that a part has not failed yet due to moisture does not assure that it will not fail in the future. In order to be certain that a moisture affected device will function until the end of the warranty period we therefore must replace all possible components.
Whilst we value our customers, in this instance we are unable to agree to your request for a warranty repair on this device.
HTC can only assist you further by providing documentation to support any insurance claim you may be able to make for accidental damage, or by returning your device to you unrepaired which we will not charge you for.
Unfortunately, I cannot push this any further. This decision is above my authority, and I have to abide by our Head Offices decision.
I understand this may be a frustrating response after such a long wait and I wish the news were better. I can only recommend at this point that you contact your insurance company and raise the issue with them.
Best Regards,
HTC Europe Customer Care
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Sprayed the screen with a water based solution to apply the screen protector?
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Eeek, okay! Well, I've never done that for screen protection, and I buy package of 17" monitor screen protectors to cut up and use for loads of little projects.... Did the instructions tell you the glue had to adhere that way? Most newer screen protectors don't use that type of adhesive anymore, bonding to the surface without leaving an residue that would be required when using water-based solutions........ If a screen protector kit I purchased required me to spray on something water-based before application, I'd throw it out and start with something a little less abrasive and potentially damaging!
And George, that SUCKS..... wow, well, now you know why I buy a SquareTrade warranty for EVERY expensive electronic item I own, right down to the Jawbone2 I use everyday! When my charging / data USB port broke on my first Kaiser, it was during the 1 year warranty, so I called HTC first - they told me that it was a wear and tear item, it would cost well over $300 to repair, and that NO warranty company would repair it under their terms and conditions..... I promptly called SquareTrade, they had me send it in, and in 8 days later, I had a brand new charging port installed at NO cost to me!
For more details, check out www.squaretrade.com - and no, I don't work for them, but I tell everyone I know about how great they are and cheap their plans are!
My Response to HTC
Can you tell me the official address of HTC UK please so I can
instigate county court proceedings?
And can you relay the following back to your head office please (or
even better, give me a contact there so I dont have to bother you
again)
1. I have a number of people who support my claim that the sticker can
turn red without the device having got wet enough to cause damage. See
my link to the forum earlier.
2. What I didnt realise earlier is that the sticker in question is on
the outside of the phone - i accept I might have handled it with
sweaty hands. If you had found a sticker on the inside that indicated
water ingress, I would accept your point.
3. It didnt have illegal software on it - it had Windows Mobile 6.1
(ok, not the original rom). i am licensed to use Windows Mobile 6.1,
as that came with the device. The exact build of the rom is NOT an
excuse to not repair my device
4. The 'condition' of warranty regarding 'illegal' software was only
sent to me AFTER you booked the phone in. I wasnt told this in the
original email when I sent it off.
5. I dont NEED HTC's 'consent' to install whatever I want on my phone.
It was bought unlocked, and had an official WM6.1 build, downloaded
from HTC.
6. Are you seriously saying that HTC replace mainboards in preference
to re-flashing the rom? thats plain mad, and not very environmentally
friendly.
Anyway, what is comes down to is that I dispute that the device got
sufficiently wet for you to dishonor the warranty.
Furthermore, HTC know full well that the rom, and the red sticker has
nothing to do with the problem reported (they say themselves that its
not relevant). I believe I have a good chance at getting this sorted
out by the county court system, which will only cost me around £30 - a
gamble im willing to take.
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Eeek, okay! Well, I've never done that for screen protection, and I buy package of 17" monitor screen protectors to cut up and use for loads of little projects.... Did the instructions tell you the glue had to adhere that way? Most newer screen protectors don't use that type of adhesive anymore, bonding to the surface without leaving an residue that would be required when using water-based solutions........ If a screen protector kit I purchased required me to spray on something water-based before application, I'd throw it out and start with something a little less abrasive and potentially damaging!
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Static-cling screen protectors are so 2005:
Installation video
Scratch test video
A little water never hurt anything. No, it's not glue, and it doesn't leave any adhesive residue. You can keep living in the dark ages, but the 3M Scotchgard material is amazing. I've done over a dozen installations on my devices and never had any water damage, and I've never activated a moisture detector. Zagg was one of the first to make this available pre-cut for electronic devices, but there are at least a half dozen startups (Best Skins Ever, PhantomSkinz, Ghost Armor, BodyGuardz, etc.).
And no, I don't work for any of them either. Maybe it's because I've done water cooling on my PC that it doesn't scare me to use a small amount of mostly non-conductive water and then let it dry for 24 hours.
Thanks for the heads up, I was wondering what that was.
Mines perfectly fine, red and white stripes, but I'll cover it up with something.
thats a horrible picture. where EXACTLY is this sticker supposed to be? on my usa tmobile version, the only sticker i see is located on the side of the case next to where the battery sits.if this is the sticker you're referring to, it seems like a pretty logical place to me. water would have to creep in to the side of the battery to hit the sticker. unless you have one somewhere i don't? you mean on the inside of the battery cover? your post say's on the "outside". ???
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thats a horrible picture. where EXACTLY is this sticker supposed to be? on my usa tmobile version, the only sticker i see is located on the side of the case next to where the battery sits.if this is the sticker you're referring to, it seems like a pretty logical place to me. water would have to creep in to the side of the battery to hit the sticker. unless you have one somewhere i don't? you mean on the inside of the battery cover? your post say's on the "outside". ???
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Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, look to the left of your MicroSD card maybe?
It is bad news , then good news, then bad again. My phone was stolen from where I work. It was found 5 hours later. It was really wet when it was found. (we don't know how it got wet, nor for how long it was in water..)I dried it off, put it in rice for 48 hours...I have turned it on, and it stays on for about 3 min. Then it shuts off. It will not start up again unless I take out the battery. And will do the on thing for 3 min again, etc...
So I have questions...If I keep this thing in rice for a longer period, does it have a chance of working? I filed a police report. I have a case #. What are the chances of HTC covering this by warranty? The water indicator mark on the phone itself is pink/red. The battery is pink cross-haired. It doesn't look as pink as the phone unit itself.
I called HTC just now. They are closed until Monday. I just wanted to get some varied opinions. Thanks.
well first question is, do you have insurance for the phone? i dont think HTC would take care of it as of they only replace if the phone has defects, but insurance would, theyll be your best friend in situations like this, happened to my Touch Pro, i put the sucker in rice for 5 days and its working great, only thing is that there still some spots left from the water on the screen, but its barely noticeable, but the day it got wet, called up AT&T and they said theyll send me a new phone, which how i ended up having a Tilt 2
also to add on to this, i dont think the cops can find out who stole it who knows....someone can come up and admit it....
my phone was stolen about a month ago...i just called tmo and submitted a claim via asurion...from your sig, it appears this may not be an option for you...
chances are, they will deny your claim, as the phone is in you possesion and is wet. how are they to know that your phone was stolen as opposed to you getting it wet. as a former claims adjuster, that's how I would view it.
lastly, do you have a cell phone repair shop in your area, it may be worth your while having them take a look at it, rather than getting htc involved...
if you have asurion insurance they shouldnt deny you a claim but it may be different in the area you live in, for me with sprint i must pay a $100 deductible but it covers theft, physical damage, and water damage for a replacement
No, I do not have any insurance on the phone. I have Home Owner's Insurance, but I believe my deductible is prob pretty high.
I don't know about Asurion. It looks like they cover the Carrier's phones, not an unlocked one.
I was in hopes that HTC would cover it since I didn't get it wet myself. It was stolen from my office at school...( a &*#@ student did it). Since I have a police report and case #, I can verify that it was stolen and discovered "wet." You don't think HTC would accept that? I mean, it is all true.
It is so discouraging.
Rock and a hard place
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No, I do not have any insurance on the phone. I have Home Owner's Insurance, but I believe my deductible is prob pretty high.
I don't know about Asurion. It looks like they cover the Carrier's phones, not an unlocked one.
I was in hopes that HTC would cover it since I didn't get it wet myself. It was stolen from my office at school...( a &*#@ student did it). Since I have a police report and case #, I can verify that it was stolen and discovered "wet." You don't think HTC would accept that? I mean, it is all true.
It is so discouraging.
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It's unfortunate what happened yes, but HTC only feels responsibility to cover repairs that are related to faulty manufacturing...even though you can prove that it's not your fault the phone was stolen or damaged, those are both issues that only some type of insurance would cover, I'm sorry to say. Assurion is the company that provides harware insurance to most of the major carriers, but yes I think it's only offered on phones bought from/through the carrier itself....you would know if you had it because there'd be a small (~$10) charge on your bill each month for it.
What if I got a Square Trade warranty?
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What if I got a Square Trade warranty?
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Well sure if you had that on the phone then you should be just fine...their terms clearly say they cover immersion, so they shouldn't give you any hassle about it. Although, I do see that their fine print states "unlocking a cell phone after purchase will void the warranty"...so don't know if you might get a hassle for the custom ROM, or if they only care about carrier unlocking.
Now, if you don't have the Square Trade warranty yet and were thinking about purchasing it and then submitting this claim, they might have an exclusion period where you can't make a claim within the first x number of days after buying the warranty, if the phone isn't brand new when you purchase the coverage (that's not unheard of in the 3rd-party warranty business)
EDIT: Yes, they do have a 60-day exclusion period...anything happening in that period is considered to be "pre-existing". And, it looks like you have to purchase the coverage within the first 30 days after the auction that you bought it from.
Suggest you do the following:
1) Batteries are easily damaged by water and can become a silent fire hazard, so remove and dispose of the battery Leave the back cover off the phone.
2) Give the phone a very thorough bath in distilled water (no soap or anything) to remove any contaminants. Optionally, disassemble phone first.
3) Shake as much water as possible out of the phone
4) Wrap phone securely in paper towel
5) Place phone in a bowl of instant rice, and cover bowl with plastic wrap
6) Put bowl in a sunny place
7) 24 hrs after there is no more condensation on the plastic wrap, your phone is as dry as it ever is going to be
8) Put new battery in phone, replace cover, and charge for full charge cycle
With a little luck, your phone will be working as good as new.
Thanks. I will try above steps. I will keep you posted here.
So out of curiosity, I tried the phone again. It comes on for 3 minutes, then goes blank. (shuts off) While it is on, the phone itself gets really hot, as well as the battery when I remove it. What is this a sign of?
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So out of curiosity, I tried the phone again. It comes on for 3 minutes, then goes blank. (shuts off) While it is on, the phone itself gets really hot, as well as the battery when I remove it. What is this a sign of?
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Did you try following the advice where it said to replace the battery? You can get them dirt cheap on ebay if you havnt. I would try that first myself as that would save a lot of time AND money if thats all it is.
You also might be able to get a new battery from your carrier. I've heard of people walking in and saying hey I only get so many minutes out of my battery and they just give them a new one. I would go in NOT say anything about dropping your phone in the water and saying the battery only lasts three minutes, then show them how it turns off after. You may end up getting a free one.
Again thats assuming you bought it from your carrier and not direct from HTC. If you didnt.. ebay!
I finally got a different battery put in the phone. I also did a hard reset. The phone went thru the process of booting up, setting up phone for 1st time, etc...it stayed on for about 5 min. Then.....BLACK...BLANK screen. Now when I try to start it up, it will only last about 60 seconds.
Suggestions on what to do next? Thanks.
Time for a new phone!!
Aaron McCarthy said:
Time for a new phone!!
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Yeah, it's time to throw in the towel on this one I'm afraid
EDIT: I don't see for sure that you followed steps 5-7 in datawrhsdoc's instructions above...did you? It may be past that point yet, but it's the only other thing that might have had any chance of helping you
I had already done the rice trick. Thanks for following up. dang this just pisses me off.
yeah, if you turned on the phone while the electronic components were wet, chances are something fried inside. time for a new phone.
and why would htc pay to repair this phone? warranty only covers manufacturer's defects.
on the positive side, you can find tp2's for about 250.00 right now.
Hi,
has anybody encountered this?
Few days ago, I noticed my display is not "clean" anymore, it has a colorful oil-like blot on itself. The blot does not cover the whole display area, but has an almost
uniform 1 cm thick padding..that means the blot area is a smaller area in the middle of display.
By colour I mean a visual effect that resembles a drop of oil/gasoline in water on the street.
This happened to my sprint tp2 and soon after the touch screen stopped working. I just replaced it by buying a replacement screen/top housing on ebay. Quick an painless really, no need to fiddle with the digitalizer and all that mess. I hope this isn't the case for you but expect the worse my friend. Best wishes man.
You,ve probably got the dreaded Newton Rings. I had my screen replaced about 2 months ago by HTC for the same reason. Luckily I had a month left on my warranty so i got if fixed completely FOC. My warranty has now been extended to run out next month.
Update:
My newton rings got really bad a while ago, the screen stopped function at all.
I registered my TP2 directly to a Czech servicing company (I am Slovakian)..
Now comes the interesting part.
1) They sent a courier for the phone and it took them a veery long 3 business days to repair and send it back by a courier, directly to my office. The courier man had a specialy designed bag for protecting the phone on pickup.
2) They did not care at all about my forgetting to reflash stock SPL
3) Nobody asked them for this, but besides the digitizer, they also "repaired" (read replaced) the buttons, the silver border, the display and the rails in which the upper part moves. For free.
4) They flashed a Slovakian stock ROM for me..Who could have know, that know that such a thing existed
I purchased my N7 Flo in August but I left the country before it came.
Finally got back and it was sitting there sealed in its plastic.
Used for 2 days before I noticed a patch of discoloration on the back panel. Can't be wiped off or anything and doesn't fade at all.
Have been suggested to slap on a case (which I've been using) but still not too happy about paying same price as everyone for one with a cosmetic defect.
Don't really wanna ship back to Amazon, do you think Asus would do something if I sent it back?
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Since the nexus gets international warranty form Asus, i think they will honour their warranty. But as for cosmetic defect, i am not too sure, perhaps you can search for your local Asus service center and ask them..
The problem with this sort of malfunction is whether it can be releated to a production error (warrenty) or user abuse (no warrenty). Innocent until proven guilty doesn't always apply here. I had a similair case with damaged screen coating on a Grouper. Over the phone and mail I could not convince Asus, with clear pictures and related cases found on the internet, that it was the result of a production fault. In the end I was offered to send in the device and have it examined by them. If they would decide it was the result of user abuse, they could either return the device for €70,- (95 USD) or replace the screen under warrenty. I didn't want to be at the mercy of some tech guy and wind up having both a faulty screen and taken €70,- from me. I put on a screenprotector, which circumvented the problem.
I say contact Asus support first and hear what they have to say. After, you can always decide to slap on a cover...
Cosmetic defects not hindering functionality of the device are not covered according to Asus warranty policy
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I purchased my N7 Flo in August but I left the country before it came.
Finally got back and it was sitting there sealed in its plastic.
Used for 2 days before I noticed a patch of discoloration on the back panel. Can't be wiped off or anything and doesn't fade at all.
Have been suggested to slap on a case (which I've been using) but still not too happy about paying same price as everyone for one with a cosmetic defect.
Don't really wanna ship back to Amazon, do you think Asus would do something if I sent it back?
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Your patch is pretty large compared to others I've seen posted. I believe folks mentioned they were able to remove by rubbing a microfiber cloth on the patch.
=/ sigh, that's pretty lame.
Thanks for the suggestions~ have tried the microfiber idea too and unfortunately it did absolutely nothing.
Oh well. I guess I'll see how it goes with Asus but won't be too hopeful if cosmetic defects aren't covered.
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Told by LG Canada my phone had warranty coverage specifically for the bootlooping issue, and sent it to FutureTel in Ontario for what should have been a free repair (hell, I should have it back by now).
FutureTel dings me back with a $450 repair quote saying the warranty status is denied because of 'corrosion'. I had them to forward me the photo above.
What? No. I'm the kind of person that keeps my phone is a ****ing ziploc baggie outside of the home - there is no way this phone saw any moisture outside of what is normally in room air. No steamy bathrooms even. I photographed the moisture indicator being white and untouched, immediately prior to sending it in.
1. how does corrosion occur without moisture stickers showing moisture?
2. can corrosion not occur for reasons other than user damage/exposure to external moisture? Don't batteries leak sometimes? I've found corrosion inside electronics remote controllers on the contacts for the AA batteries and that had nothing to do with user damage or external moisture.
3. Isn't corrosion on the opposite end of the motherboard from the CPU (the photo is showing near the usb port) very unlikely to be causing bootloops where the phone shuts down due to processing stress of booting up the OS?
4. they repair the bootloops under warranty by replacing the entire motherboard anyways. I feel like this is them refusing to repair my car's engine because they found a bit of rust near the gas cap. are they just trying to weasel money out of me for what should be a free repair?
5. arggg
that's the problem, your board could get moisture from your washed hands, sweat, trapped moisture between a case,
I had the same thing happened to me, the moisture stickers are still white but the area by the USB had some corrosion, sent in for warranty and was told a new board is required at 600$.
i think in the future i will try only get phones with some water protective grade or nano coating because very easy for the board to get wet and an easy way for them to avoid responsibilities.
I had two phones denied warranty coverage in the past 2 weeks because of this same crap. I recommend sending an email to the law firm that originally engaged with LG here:
www[dot]girardgibbs[dot]com/lg-g4-bootloop-class-action-lawsuit
It seems to me like LG is trying to deny as many warranty claims as possible. If there are enough reports of this, I think we may get another lawsuit against LG.
I just received a similar letter from LG, denying warranty for being a 'tampered device' with a 'fake backcover'. Now, while I did replace the back cover (I broke the camera lens); I fail to see how that affects the required repair, which is a motherboard replacement.
They claim that it is no longer covered under the 'original limited warranty'; but the original warranty period is over anyway, the only warranty remaining is for the bootloop. They want $356 to do the repair; I paid $430 for the phone originally.
LG certainly appears to be trying to deny as many of these as they can.
I’m going to call them and complain; maybe see if Google is better about honoring the warranty. But I don’t really want to buy the phone again when it will just bootloop again sooner or later.