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wobbly screen?

Ok, now when I tilt the screen of my touch pro2 up, it has a slight wobble (in the direction the screen tilts, not sideways). Is it normal for a tilt screen device to have this "freeplay" from new?

Hi All
I have the same problem. My screen wobbles too. min 5-7mm "freeplay".

See my post yesterday
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524432
Just had blokey on from the company saying it was normal for the TP2. I must have had a good 4-5mm of play when it was tilted which seemed odd as my Kaiser was (and still is) totally solid with no play at tilt.
It would be really useful if people could post to say whether they have any 'freeplay' or not when tilted.
Thanks
John

yes freeplay here about 10m i would say its very loose

combat goofwing said:
yes freeplay here about 10m i would say its very loose
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even 10mm is super loose
i think becoz it use different mechanism.

Have logged a call with HTC supprt to get the definitive answer, to wobble or not to wobble. Will update this post when I get a reply

Sent my unit back today and hope to get a replacement soon.
There was something seriously wrong with my unit.
See Pictures uploaded
http://www.noelsolutions.com/IMG_7673.JPG
http://www.noelsolutions.com/IMG_7675.JPG

tiinking of sending mine back to be replaced not only does it wobble in tilt but with the keyboard closed if i holed the phone flat of my hand and put slight pressure on the top left corner the screen slide about up just on one side is this normel so the screen can look off set

mine is loose but that is normal as you can't have the screen too rigid in tilt position. also its on hinges and that will have a part to play with the wobble. remember the screen is attached to the body by a ribbon which needs the screen to have that bit of play to take tension off the ribbon. when in tilt position look at the back of screen you will see the black ribbon. wobble the screen and you will see the kink in the ribbon when wobbling. now imagine having a really taut screen and the pressure that would be exerted on that ribbon. wobble is acceptable as it plays an important role! thats my opinion. i have a kaiser/tytn 2 and the screen is very wobbly and loose.

shingers5 said:
mine is loose but that is normal as you can't have the screen too rigid in tilt position. also its on hinges and that will have a part to play with the wobble. remember the screen is attached to the body by a ribbon which needs the screen to have that bit of play to take tension off the ribbon. when in tilt position look at the back of screen you will see the black ribbon. wobble the screen and you will see the kink in the ribbon when wobbling. now imagine having a really taut screen and the pressure that would be exerted on that ribbon. wobble is acceptable as it plays an important role! thats my opinion. i have a kaiser/tytn 2 and the screen is very wobbly and loose.
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I second that Shingers,
My Kaiser became very loose after about one year.
The Rhodium looks to have a much more robust design though and yes there should be some amount of free play.
Time will tell how good the redisgn of the tilt mechanism is though.
Cheers,
Beasty

shingers5 said:
mine is loose but that is normal as you can't have the screen too rigid in tilt position. also its on hinges and that will have a part to play with the wobble. remember the screen is attached to the body by a ribbon which needs the screen to have that bit of play to take tension off the ribbon. when in tilt position look at the back of screen you will see the black ribbon. wobble the screen and you will see the kink in the ribbon when wobbling. now imagine having a really taut screen and the pressure that would be exerted on that ribbon. wobble is acceptable as it plays an important role! thats my opinion. i have a kaiser/tytn 2 and the screen is very wobbly and loose.
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Yeah my partners one has same things as you mention but it does not look uneven like mine.
Here is my partners
http://www.noelsolutions.com/diamondpro2.JPG
Mine
http://www.noelsolutions.com/IMG_7678.JPG

My Hermes has the same wobble since the first time I got it. 2,5 years later, it's still working great. Don't think it's a lot to worry about. or the people who don't have the wobble, it probably will be there in time.

xxnoelziexx said:
Yeah my partners one has same things as you mention but it does not look uneven like mine.
Here is my partners
http://www.noelsolutions.com/diamondpro2.JPG
Mine
http://www.noelsolutions.com/IMG_7678.JPG
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yeah yours defo looks like one of the hinges are loose. that needs to go back defo. might just need tightening but i'd request a replacement if i were you! good luck with that

thanks for the input guys,
John, let us know what's the official position on this. Apart from the wobble device is working fine so I decided to keep it, it's not a deal breaker for me - i operate it while flat anyway and it stays tilted when put on the desk.
The looseness is like, when you tilt it and shake back and forward slowly, it eventually goes down in 3 shakes. Using the touchscreen when tilted is impossible unless you have a finger behind it.
I don't know, all the reviews are praising the stiff tilting mechanism of TP2 and online videos show people applying a bit of pressure on the device to tilt the screen, mine is not like that, that's why I started the thread.
It did say it's the first batch here in UK on the MFDirect website, so could be an early flawed version.

Will do, still waiting to hear. Just think its a bit disapointing if this is a part of the design as (and I really don't want to take anything away from the brilliance of everything else about the phone & how much people, including me seem to love it) it makes it feel, well cheap.....which as you say was the opposite of the reviews the phone has got from everywhere else.
Maybe mine was a lot looser than others have experienced? maybe I'm just a fussy ba***rd, don't know?
MPD won't replace it as they say it is normal, I'm waiting for it to come back then I'll send another email with a couple of snaps/video to HTC to get the definitive view. Will keep you up to date.

And waht about this,it was a little hard for me to explain it corrctly,so i'v take a picture
is it normale ?
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4057/tp2a.jpg

yes i think it is. Its the part that slide's out and also can be tilted. That means that it isn't attached to the bottom of the device and i guess that is wat causes the problem. I also have that problem a bit.
When i slide the device out and NOT tilt it it looks perfectly straight, but when i tilt the screen it wobble's a bit but i guess thats normal to..

same problem ..... same wobble .... still i love it

Thanks guys so i will love more my tp2

The definitive view part 1
Hi all
HTC have replied to my first query. Posted below. Basically there should be no looseness/wobble. I'll speak to them and MPDirect and see what happens next.
'Thank you so much for contacting HTC Technical Support Team.
Regarding your request, kindly note that the symptom you stated (the screen when tilted was loose on its hinges and wobbled back and forth by a few milimetres ) is not a normal symptom. the Screen should be firmly in place.
For further assistance please don't hesitate to contact us on our hotline < 0845 890 0079 > or visit our website at www.htc.com .
Respects & Regards,
HTC Technical Support Team.

Returning phone to MPD

After praising the tp2 for nearly two weeks now I have decided I will return it to MPD.
I paid 457 for this phone and I will except nothing less than 100 percent perfection in terms of build quality.
After 2 weeks use I have to following problems:
- The sceen travel before it hits the lcd in the centre of the screen had increased rapidly and I can now notice a significant change between sensitivity at the edges and the centre (about 1-2mm).
- The sliding mechanism has got easier which is good, but the movement of the screen is about 7mm when at full tilt, where as it was minimal at best when I received it.
Im not writing this as a sob story; I have a genuine worry that these could be very common problems and yet im unsure at the chances of returniing it for a replacement - hoping it wont have the same problems

Mine went back I had it one day, They called me when they received it and then acitoned a refund. The Touch Pro 2 is a terrible built device for something that cost's half a grand.
I have gone back to the Touch HD but really miss the keyboard oh well at least my device isn't going to fall apart. My partners device was perfect and now after a month of use it is now wobblying when you touch the screen and slider is so loose.
sorry you need to mail the webshop and wait for your reply sometimes they reply quick other days they take a while to reply. It will get worse get it replaced or refunded is my advice.

had two deviced now and sent both back. i cross my fingers the third onw will be without any isues. think MANY bad manufactured devices are out there

on my 4th so far and not 100% happy, wobble in the screen when tilted. Very bad design from HTC, poor build quality.

wobble in the screen would not be such a big problem for me i never tilit the screen. hope ill get a device with no other problems next time.
i cant understand why they built this useless tilt feature into the slider the slider could be much more "robust" without this tilit mechanism.

Say it ain't so....
How common are these screen issues that you guys are mentioning, the wobble and such? These issues that you folks are bringing up are starting to worry me, and what worries me even more is that some of you went through 3 or 4 of the TP2s already, leading me to believe that these problems are more widespread than I'd like. I've been anticipating this phone's arrival since February and I really hope that these issues aren't so common that it turns the TP2 into a total let-down instead of the great device that all this hype is leading me to believe. If at all possible could you guys please post updates on your situations?
thanks, and I hope all works out well for you guys.

What do you mean by a wobble? Is the screen itself deformed or are the letters/pictures deformed on the display?
Maybe you can post a picture or something?
I hardly ever use the Tilt feature. When I first heard about it I thought it was brilliant, still looks cool, but it isn't comfortable to work with ...

the wobble issue is discussed in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524641
some people are worried about the screen wobbles a little bit when its tilt like in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6A5v-DR1A8
i think this is ok if it is not too much.
BUT i had two devices with a problem similar to this video and thats absolute not ok for me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BObBGt40hYg

the screen wobble isnt such a big problem for me, it makes it easier to slide out flat.
my problem is with the flex on the touchscreen. it feels like you push down on one plastic layer which then hits the lcd behind, making it less sensitive in the centre than the edges where i dont have this problem.

i think there is nothing to do. this is the "touch" in touch screen. it has to be little bit flexible to react to your input. dont compare it to the iphone thats a nother technique.
or do you mean something else?

Hi lhwparis
real glad you posted those videos of the wobble. I was beginning to think it was something quite serious, but i see that kind of bounce in most tiltable systems. So not so worried now.
Has anyone done a poll yet of how many people have a phone that does this? strange that its not the same with everyones.

what do you mean with "bounce"? video 1 or the beginning of video 2.
i think the wobble when screen is tilt is normal on most phones (only some without wobble) and thats not a great problem. the second video with the gap between the display and the phone in closed position is a realy great problem for me.

yes i did watch both, i guess im refrerring to the wobble, whilst its open.
perhaps the bounce whilst its closed is not so normal, although again im not sure how much of gap would be a source of concern.

I've got to be honest here. I am one of the fussiest people in the world when it comes to gadgets, but I think there is a lot of over-reaction about the "wobble" issue. The mechanism which allows the screen to tilt will have some "play" in it - otherwise you'd never be able to slide the keyboard out. The same "play" is what means that there is a gap between keyboard and screen - and this will be larger on the side nearest the power button, and it will give a little when you push on this side of the device, as the two halves are held together by the hinge at the opposite edge. It's unavoidable - even if your device doesn't do this from new, I can pretty much guarantee that it will do so within a few weeks. If the hinge is actually loose - so the screen doesn't stay put where you leave it, or if the slider mechanism works without you wanting it to, then you have a problem - but small gaps and small amounts of play in the mechanism are not only normal; they are what prevents damage from operating the mechanism.
"Give" near the centre of a large touchscreen is also pretty common - it's difficult to get the touchscreen to lay perfectly flat, as it is only secured at the edges. Again, there will be a degree of variation between samples, but this is another thing that will change with time. It also quite often varies with air pressure - if you take any touchscreen device (other than the iPhone, which uses a different principle) up in an aircraft, the touchscreen will frequently bulge out more from the screen due to the reduced ambient pressure and the small amount of air trapped under the touchscreen.
I really think that some of you are getting a little too over-stressed about this - 99% of these devices are fine. Leaving aside anything else, these will all have been tested in the factory, and mechanical function of the screen hinges and touchscreen will have been tested on every device before it was packed.

still, its disturbing to hear how many people are getting differences in their build quality. perhaps this is why tmobile uk are not going to be launching the device?

lhwparis said:
i think there is nothing to do. this is the "touch" in touch screen. it has to be little bit flexible to react to your input. dont compare it to the iphone thats a nother technique.
or do you mean something else?
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The flexibility in the hinge is nothing to do with the resistiveness of the screen. Regardless of the screen, there should not be this amount of flex in the hinge.

what a load a rubbish.............if any of you fusspots owned a tytn 2 you probably would have nightmares. too much fussing over a wobble which is manditory to avoid sudden harsh impacts and decrease tension on the ribbon that goes from the board to the screen. the screen when tiltled was not actually done so we can sit there wobbling it. in fact no one actually needs to wobble the phone. the phone is sturdy when in full tilt then it works. imagine people actually sitting there wobbling the thing. what do you think will happen? it will loosen...........the wobble is not a feature of the phone but for safety and longevity of the moving parts of the phone. if you don't like the phone then don't buy it. if the screen had no wobble i'd be reading whole new thread of how it should. obviously this phone willl not please everyone and so those moaning about wobble should not buy the phone! obviously there will be some faulty handsets but needing 4 handsets should tell you that maybe it ain't the phone but actually you with the issue. it amazes me how people always find one thing negative to focus on but forget all and i mean all the positive aspects of this phone. what wobble?????????? touch HD which i do own has nothing on tp2 so thats a backward step! this is a phone not a tennis racket

no you are right, but the gap has got bigger in the middle since when i first got it, and comparing it to my friends HD the gap is far greater. There is barely any travel when it comes to the edges, and I see no difference of why this couldnt be the same for the centre.

shure2 said:
what a load a rubbish.............if any of you fusspots owned a tytn 2 you probably would have nightmares. too much fussing over a wobble which is manditory to avoid sudden harsh impacts and decrease tension on the ribbon that goes from the board to the screen. the screen when tiltled was not actually done so we can sit there wobbling it. in fact no one actually needs to wobble the phone. the phone is sturdy when in full tilt then it works. imagine people actually sitting there wobbling the thing. what do you think will happen? it will loosen...........the wobble is not a feature of the phone but for safety and longevity of the moving parts of the phone. if you don't like the phone then don't buy it. if the screen had no wobble i'd be reading whole new thread of how it should. obviously this phone willl not please everyone and so those moaning about wobble should not buy the phone! obviously there will be some faulty handsets but needing 4 handsets should tell you that maybe it ain't the phone but actually you with the issue. it amazes me how people always find one thing negative to focus on but forget all and i mean all the positive aspects of this phone. what wobble?????????? touch HD which i do own has nothing on tp2 so thats a backward step! this is a phone not a tennis racket.
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i said that wobble is normal in all posts before but i sent back my two devices because of the issue shown in this video (at the beginning):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BObBGt40hYg
so you want to tell me its normal that i can lift of the screen more than 5mm in closed position?
my friend has a TP2 too and he cant lift of the screen from device and there is nearly no gap!

shure2 said:
After praising the tp2 for nearly two weeks now I have decided I will return it to MPD.
I paid 457 for this phone and I will except nothing less than 100 percent perfection in terms of build quality.
After 2 weeks use I have to following problems:
- The sceen travel before it hits the lcd in the centre of the screen had increased rapidly and I can now notice a significant change between sensitivity at the edges and the centre (about 1-2mm).
- The sliding mechanism has got easier which is good, but the movement of the screen is about 7mm when at full tilt, where as it was minimal at best when I received it.
Im not writing this as a sob story; I have a genuine worry that these could be very common problems and yet im unsure at the chances of returniing it for a replacement - hoping it wont have the same problems
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Good luck..
The screen went really weird on mine, colours all messed up so on. Emailed mpd, which of course they didn't answer in a timely fashion so I phoned them to which they refused to help me over the phone and told me to email.
Half a day later I get a reply refusing to take it back as I've had it for over seven days and to send it to Regeneris or whoever they're called so I did that. The idiots at MPD failed to realise Regeneris wont' repair these phones, and then forward it on to HTC .. which of course it bizarrely taken them three days to do so.
Apparently now HTC have had it a week, and I've been bugged Regeneris every day, and the answer is the same .. "We've not heard anything, but I'll email them again" Either they've not emailed them as promised or HTCs customer service is evern worse than MPDs.
I've now been without my TP2 for over two weeks, with no sign of getting back and needless to say I'm pissed off!

screen not sensitive: manufacturing fault or unreal expectations ??

every review i've read online before i bought the unit was boasting about how "finger-friendly" the TP2 was, and that you could lightly swipe your finger across it to navigate the menu and that the touchscreen was very sensitive and whatnot
however after 2 weeks of use i find that to be relatively untrue. i've got to apply a fair amount of pressure on the screen to get it to register my input. of course, i'm posting this because i'm afraid that i might be damaging the screen in the process
i have no basis for comparison actually, my only 2 other touchscreen devices at home are an iphone and a cowon s9, both use capacitive screens. i always knew there was a big difference between capacitive screens and resistive screens, i just didn't know it was THIS huge. i can actually slide my finger lightly over the iphone's surface and its registered properly. the sliding probably feels smoother as its glass, but i can live with the TP2's plastic. what do you guys think ? should i get it checked out at the HTC store ?? its on the other side of town, don't wanna waste a trip as if its not a problem
oh yeah and just to get this out of the way, the screen is a membrane and not a hard surface right ?? everytime i press on the screen using my finger or the stylus, i can feel the screen slightly moving down, can also see the surface getting slightly dented at the point my finger pushes it if looking at it from a certain angle.
ps before somebody asks: i only got to test the keyboard at the telco store, some punk had cracked the screen of the display set, so i didn't know about this screen issue until i actually purchased the set
sorry for the long post, but i'd really appreciate any comments
TIA

Well, I don't have an Iphone so i can't tell you about how it compares with the TP2, however, i found the display to be much better than the one on my old XDA. It will probably never as good as a capacitive device like the touchpad on my laptop, but I found it to work very well. You have to apply a certain amount of pressue to the display, because it reacts on pressure, so I guess there is nothing wrong with that. I also see a small dent when I use the stylus and press the display. I cannot confirm the screen slightly going down when pressing it.
To summarize it, i use the Stylus 90% of the time. It glides much better on the display than my finger does so the overall experience is slightly better when using a stylus. Plus i don't get any greasy fingerprints on my display.
However the 10% I use my fingers to work on it (and 25% of that 10% is spent on polishing I found it to work pretty well, so in general I don't think that the reviews were off when it comes to finger usability.

What you are describing is probably normal. Resistive screens do require pressure. The TP2 tends to require less pressure than others, but nonetheless it does require it. There's no comparison if you compare it to a capacitive screen device because those don't require pressure at all.
The flexing of the screen that you described is something all resistive screens have. Again, if you compare the screen flex of the TP2 to earlier HTC devices, it's greatly improved.
To be on the safe side, go to a store and try out other resistive screen devices and see if you experience the same thing as your own. Then you'll know what is considered "normal".

thanks for the replies, i'll probably head down to my telco's store and see if they've replaced the display set then.
any other comments ??

You know I thought the same, waiting for a cab to increase the sensitivity because at the moment its quite annoying pressing buttons more than once...

From a few years to nowadays i´ve always used QTEK/HTC devices, my latest one is, ofcourse, HTC RHODIUM, the rom it has installed is RUU_Rhodium_HTC_PTG_1.19.410.0_Radio_Rhodium_3.44.25.27_Signed_Ship, and the screen is very sensitive and responsive, i´m just very pleased with it overall, it´s the best.
Cheers.

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You know I thought the same, waiting for a cab to increase the sensitivity because at the moment its quite annoying pressing buttons more than once...
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you don't need .cab
just change in registry...
HKLM/drivers/Touch Driver/pressurethreshold, (default=10000)
(I might not remember perfectly, but it's something like that)

try this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469865

this might help just re align your screen again using little pressure then your screen will not need some much pressure to work.
I have found the this not only aligns the screen but the pressure as well.
mine I just have to lightly touch it and dont have to press very much at all.
Cheers

Tilt 2 owners, do you guys get this?

ok soo i dropped my Tilt 2 from a standing point (which is about 5 and a half feet since im 5'9) with the phones keyboard open and screens tilted, whats funny is that no battery fell out or anything, it just shuts off, i had to turn it back on.
when i shaked the phone i heard a slight rattle and i reckon its from the Flex Cable from the LCD screen, the rattle stops when i have my Tilt 2s keyboard open, but when i tilt the screen i can hear it slightly...is that normal?
also what is going to aggravate me for the rest of the time im going to own this phone is that when im using the phone's software keyboard on portrait at say like a 15 degree angle i can hear taps which is quite annoying but if i hold it at a 45 degree angle it stops, i turned the phone to the side i notice a gap, not a big one and not really noticeable but id say its roughly .5mm thick, i push the screen down and the gap gets smaller, is normal as well?
plz let me know thnx a lot

short answer.... no.... not normal. You knocked something loose inside hence the rattle, WHICH you probably already knew The gap, also not normal. Well wait.. I should correct myself. This is all probably totally normal for people who have dropped their phone. You're lucky you didn't crack your screen or do more damage and the phone's still usable!

Aaron McCarthy said:
short answer.... no.... not normal. You knocked something loose inside hence the rattle, WHICH you probably already knew The gap, also not normal. Well wait.. I should correct myself. This is all probably totally normal for people who have dropped their phone. You're lucky you didn't crack your screen or do more damage and the phone's still usable!
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hmm, well i talked to one Tilt 2 owner and he said he has that rattle and he hasnt dropped it? but like i mentioned, the rattle must be coming from that Flex cable that goes between the motherboard and the LCD screen....

No rattle and no gap on mine, but I've only had it 5 days. Give me time.

I have rattle too, but i think its the G-Sensor !

bwnotredame06 said:
I have rattle too, but i think its the G-Sensor !
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i did a couple of searches on PPC and some say its a normal thing especially in the tilted position? http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=87452 at least im not the only one! i just have OCD xD
heres a video of the screen problem im having
but its not as worse as his but you guys get the point

I just dropped my phone yesterday with keyboard out and tilted and I got a similar problem to this. My screen only has a gap when I pull it up, which I wasn't able to do before, but the screen slide is now about 1 or 2 cm's to the left causing it not to line up with the keyboard slide. Somewhat aggravating, but totally unnoticable unless your holding the phone. I don't get any rattle though...

XanderCorp said:
I just dropped my phone yesterday with keyboard out and tilted and I got a similar problem to this. My screen only has a gap when I pull it up, which I wasn't able to do before, but the screen slide is now about 1 or 2 cm's to the left causing it not to line up with the keyboard slide. Somewhat aggravating, but totally unnoticable unless your holding the phone. I don't get any rattle though...
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hmm
well if i were to dismantle the phone and repair the little bridge that goes across the back of the LCD screen would that solve the issue? because it seems when i push on it it seems to fill a gap but idk if thats what causing the whole screen and kb issue but im going to do it when i have the chance

I have a tilt and mines exacly like the one in the video with the vary small gap and the screen wobble, I always assumed it was normal, mine dosent rattle though

that little gap and the screen wobble.
it just because is got movable parts, look at the screen hinges if i can call them that.
its the reason i didnt want to get mine, ive always chose candy bar phones so i dont worry about that.
but i did get me a tilt 2 and have dropped it too, i also think my wobbly screen started after i dropped it, but ive had it a year, since it first came out. the only thing i hate reall bad about this phone it the lack of a headphone jack I HATE THAT WITH A PASSION.

Just got my S III, some questions and comments

I've been holding off buying the S III for some time in hopes of something better, but nothing has come along so I finally bit the bullet. I bought a new white one off ebay for $450, which is on the cheaper side. It came with a rather deep scratch on the bottom right on the chrome, but frankly its hard to notice and the rest of the phone seems to work fine. Wanted to ask a few questions and make a few comments.
1. Screen is the best AMOLED screen period. The lack of reflection and infinite viewing angles puts it head and shoulders above all phone IPS screens I've used. Also on a completely different level to the beta AMOLED screens Samsung was churning out. None of the pixelation, dithering, artifacts, lines, blotches, and crap from the S II or the Note. It doesn't turn to crap when I dim the screen, and looks very nice and even like that. The saturation has been toned down as well and looks better. However, I wish the greens were not so BLUE and the skin tones were less ghastly red/yellow/orange.
2. My volume keys are firm and clicky, but my power button is kind of loose. Will it deteriorate over time?
3. The battery cover is still a horrible design. My left side snaps into place completely, but there is a gap that you can put a fingernail and also feel the seam and slight hump since its not flush. This is normal for Samsung right? My Note also had a battery cover problem. It would ot snap in, and I had to jam it in at a very sharp angle and bend the cover back heavily. At least that was flush. This one is not. Also noticed looseness on the top corners with the S3, especially when you move the phone around or hold it in landscape and either push the corners a bit or hold onto them. I think this is endemic to the S3 since all the display phones at my local store had the same problem, along with the entire cover being taped up since they were coming off of course.
4. The home button is hard to press. I also noticed this on the demo models. Why couldn't it be more like the iPhone's button? The amount of force required to push it, its location at the very end of the phone, and the lightweight nature of the phone means I have to hold the phone firmly down or the entire thing just might bounce out of my hand. I usually have to hold the bottom underneath the button and pinch down with my thumb. That's not very satisfying either, since I am also pushing up into a looser part of the back cover and it flexes a bit, especially since there's that hole where the microUSB plugs into. I try to avoid using the home button and use back all the way if possible.
5. The phone is fast, but not blazingly fast or smooth. It's better than my old One X. Still far from the smoothness of a Windows Phone device. Hopefully Jelly Bean will help a lot.
6. They need to disable the capacitive keys during camera mode. I always end up pushing one or both of them and exiting the camera or getting edit popups. Same problem I had on the Note.
7. Phone looks and feels a million times better without the rim sticking out above the glass surface. It's more prone to damage, but I'll take the look and unimpeded finger swiips any day.
8. The Note had a much much better speaker. The S3 sounds like an S2 without the back cover helping muffle it.

katamari201 said:
I've been holding off buying the S III for some time in hopes of something better, but nothing has come along so I finally bit the bullet. I bought a new white one off ebay for $450, which is on the cheaper side. It came with a rather deep scratch on the bottom right on the chrome, but frankly its hard to notice and the rest of the phone seems to work fine. Wanted to ask a few questions and make a few comments.
1. Screen is the best AMOLED screen period. The lack of reflection and infinite viewing angles puts it head and shoulders above all phone IPS screens I've used. Also on a completely different level to the beta AMOLED screens Samsung was churning out. None of the pixelation, dithering, artifacts, lines, blotches, and crap from the S II or the Note. It doesn't turn to crap when I dim the screen, and looks very nice and even like that. The saturation has been toned down as well and looks better. However, I wish the greens were not so BLUE and the skin tones were less ghastly red/yellow/orange.
2. My volume keys are firm and clicky, but my power button is kind of loose. Will it deteriorate over time?
3. The battery cover is still a horrible design. My left side snaps into place completely, but there is a gap that you can put a fingernail and also feel the seam and slight hump since its not flush. This is normal for Samsung right? My Note also had a battery cover problem. It would ot snap in, and I had to jam it in at a very sharp angle and bend the cover back heavily. At least that was flush. This one is not. Also noticed looseness on the top corners with the S3, especially when you move the phone around or hold it in landscape and either push the corners a bit or hold onto them. I think this is endemic to the S3 since all the display phones at my local store had the same problem, along with the entire cover being taped up since they were coming off of course.
4. The home button is hard to press. I also noticed this on the demo models. Why couldn't it be more like the iPhone's button? The amount of force required to push it, its location at the very end of the phone, and the lightweight nature of the phone means I have to hold the phone firmly down or the entire thing just might bounce out of my hand. I usually have to hold the bottom underneath the button and pinch down with my thumb. That's not very satisfying either, since I am also pushing up into a looser part of the back cover and it flexes a bit, especially since there's that hole where the microUSB plugs into. I try to avoid using the home button and use back all the way if possible.
5. The phone is fast, but not blazingly fast or smooth. It's better than my old One X. Still far from the smoothness of a Windows Phone device. Hopefully Jelly Bean will help a lot.
6. They need to disable the capacitive keys during camera mode. I always end up pushing one or both of them and exiting the camera or getting edit popups. Same problem I had on the Note.
7. Phone looks and feels a million times better without the rim sticking out above the glass surface. It's more prone to damage, but I'll take the look and unimpeded finger swiips any day.
8. The Note had a much much better speaker. The S3 sounds like an S2 without the back cover helping muffle it.
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1. There is a setting in display settings to adj screen tone. See if that helps.
2. Some have reported this, but mine is fine. Not loose at all.
3. The battery cover while flimsy i agree, should snap on with ease. No raised or humped section, no gap for a fingernail... almost sounds like yours took a nasty fall or other impact... it should fit just fine with no blemishes.
4. Home isnt hard to push. Agree though that it couldve been implemented much better.
5. Imho, this thing screams. Never had any problems with lag or not being smooth and speedy. Top of the line if you ask me.
8. Speakers fine for me, for what it is. I never expect the external speaker to be super high quality.
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On the screen issue, have you gone out to broad daylight and trying to see the screen? Its tough. I still prefer IPS screens.
The home button is hard to press. Being accustomed to only capacitive buttons, the home button is tough to press. Even more so with my ballistics case.
The back is plastics but it gets the job done
The power button is sturdy and fine on my end
I agree with the camera button.
I also got mine from eBay about a month ago for 469 and although it was used, it was kept and very good condition. All I have is a small line on the gray part of the phone by the volume button that only extends about 2 mm. Sometimes I forget its there. The screen is my biggest letdown. Coming from 2 LG devices, the IPS screen is the best screens in my opinion. Natural colors, awesome brightness. This one is good I enjoy it but its not great.
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Hey man.. Cool thing you got an s3 but if I was you, I would of waited til tomorrow for the nexus 4 and paid 100$ less.
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Crisisx1 said:
Hey man.. Cool thing you got an s3 but if I was you, I would of waited til tomorrow for the nexus 4 and paid 100$ less.
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I played with an Optimus G in-store, basically a Nexus 4. Did not like it AT ALL. The glass was icky. Was not impressed by the display. It was washed out looking. This is in comparison to the One X and iPhone, not just AMOLED.
IPS is better outdoors and at max brightness. However, indoors at low brightness the contrast looks way better on the AMOLED screen of the GS3.
Oh man the 5" HTC Droid DNA is coming out. If it can be unlocked for GSM networks, I'm itching the jump again...haha I had the Note two months ago too.
I'm getting buyers remorse from the build quality. Just holding or moving the phone around and taking it out of my pocket, there's always a creak or a flex from the loose back cover. The phone is kinda slippery and clammy, not much to hold on to, and the jiggly power button. I said I would never buy another Samsung phone because of build, but here I am again...a sucker for the screen!

3. My battery cover is perfectly flush. I have pulled it off to change sd cards and once when initially rooting.. I simply put it in place and smoothly press the edges while moving around the whole phone.. all click in, flush
5. check to see if Power saving mode is on, and if cpu saving is on in power saving ... if it is, chances are your phone is only hitting 1GHz
when power saving is off (via the handy toggle in the notification shade dropdown), phone is allowed to hit full 1.5 GHz
another reason for some speed loss is the samsung touchwiz environment.. beautiful, but a bit heavy
jellybean from a google/nexus base IS faster, but mainly cuz it is more bare
cheers!
Samsung Galaxy S3, 16GB, pebble blue
rooted, running jellybean 4.1.1 on touchwiz-based Xquizit xD rom