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Touch Pro 2 to ATT for SURE

does anyone know if Touch Pro 2 coming to ATT for sure and if so when?

jtoyz2 said:
does anyone know if Touch Pro 2 coming to ATT for sure and if so when?
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My question is...when will an unlocked version that will work on At&t's 3G networks be available.
Would an unlocked T-Mobile version work on At&t's 3G network?

t-mobile runs on a different highspeed 3g band than att so as the international version...att need 850 and 1900 highspeed 3g band...of course the tmobile and international version would work but edge be the max connection you would get

T-Mobile's 3G (AWS) runs on 1700mhz/2100mhz (up/down)
ATT's 3G is 850mhz/1900mhz (up/down)
EDGE is somewhat universal, will work on both networks
There are rumors of a version of TP2 that has all US 3G bands? (850mhz/1700mhz/1900mhz/2100mhz)
- highly unlikely....

im just guessing but, tmobile touchpro 2 coming out in july my prediction is ATT will have theirs anywhere between august to november...thing with ATT they dont announce or preview any their phones until the release...only big promotion i remember they did for a phone is iphone. i dont care if they change the keybord to FUZE style fn i just want the phone on ATT sooner than later. Highspeed internet is very important, cause people using these type of phone mainly use it more than just phone calls and sms....

jtoyz2 said:
im just guessing but, tmobile touchpro 2 coming out in july my prediction is ATT will have theirs anywhere between august to november...thing with ATT they dont announce or preview any their phones until the release...only big promotion i remember they did for a phone is iphone. i dont care if they change the keybord to FUZE style fn i just want the phone on ATT sooner than later. Highspeed internet is very important, cause people using these type of phone mainly use it more than just phone calls and sms....
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qft.............

AT&T Touch Pro 2
jtoyz2 said:
does anyone know if Touch Pro 2 coming to ATT for sure and if so when?
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My only AT&T contact says the scuttlebutt is that the Tilt2 (Touch Pro 2) would not be available until early December 2009 and it would be on Windows Mobile 6.5. He said the phone was initially expected in November but software issues with AT&T blowtware may have pushed it back a few weeks. I have a pre-order for this phone and I currently own the European version and even though it only functions on EDGE it is still the hands down best phone I have ever seen.

douggrif said:
My only AT&T contact says the scuttlebutt is that the Tilt2 (Touch Pro 2) would not be available until early December 2009 and it would be on Windows Mobile 6.5. He said the phone was initially expected in November but software issues with AT&T blowtware may have pushed it back a few weeks. I have a pre-order for this phone and I currently own the European version and even though it only functions on EDGE it is still the hands down best phone I have ever seen.
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how can you preorder the tilt 2?

Ahh, December, don't say that! October 6, or I just might not make it!
I'm so completely done with this Tilt it's not funny!

godefroi said:
Ahh, December, don't say that! October 6, or I just might not make it!
I'm so completely done with this Tilt it's not funny!
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I too am hoping for October. I can't wait for December ^^
I finally sold my Tilt on ebay because I couldn't stand it anymore. In the beginning it was a great phone but over time of course the signal went to crap (at least where I am at). I posted an honest auction and it sold quickly. Now I have a Samsung Eternity as a backup phone until the Tilt 2 comes out. I soooooooooo miss Windows, GPS, Voice Command..etc...so if I have to wait anything more than the first two weeks of October I am going to scold AT&T and hold a grudge.
Who the hell cares about their stupid bloatware...don't add it. I don't need teaser trials of stupid games and apps. If I want them I can install them myself.

I saw a writeup of the Verizon TP2 that said it supported GSM.
From their Website...
EV–DO, 1X RTT capable (Rev. A capable); GSM Quad Band (GSM/GPRS/EDGE); UMTS/WCDMA/HSDPA/HSUPA
Does that mean you can drop in a ATT sim and you are off and running?

douggrif said:
My only AT&T contact says the scuttlebutt is that the Tilt2 (Touch Pro 2) would not be available until early December 2009 and it would be on Windows Mobile 6.5. He said the phone was initially expected in November but software issues with AT&T blowtware may have pushed it back a few weeks. I have a pre-order for this phone and I currently own the European version and even though it only functions on EDGE it is still the hands down best phone I have ever seen.
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I am tired of AT&T, all the other big guys has release it, and them keep the silence...
I am going to verify if the sprint one (wich has a Sim card) can be unlock... any one here knows that???

the new ATT rebate form is gonna be online 09-20 so lets see if the tilt 2 gonna be on that list...if so we are ready to hit that order button. but i agree i would but very piss if its a december release.

I considered a T-Mobile TP2, but I don't want that awful keymap where I'd have to shift constantly for every bit of punctuation. Waiting for the Tilt 2.

PRTEQ said:
I am tired of AT&T, all the other big guys has release it, and them keep the silence...
I am going to verify if the sprint one (wich has a Sim card) can be unlock... any one here knows that???
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both sprint and verizon have a sim slot for international use if you travel...it can be unlock but most u can get it edge for ATT im not sure about tmobile.

im not sure how the flashing and installing custom rom will work on spring and verizon eventhough its clear they run on cdma but it also has sim slot running on gsm so i dunno if HARD SPL will work on it...ill just wait for ATT

3G on ATT?

Changed every setting I can find on my new Touch Pro 2 but no HSPDA...
Think my phone is defective?
Any post appreciated

um... first of all, if you own a TP2, then you own a version that doesn't support US 3g.
Second.... wel no thats pretty much it.. sorry man.. If you want 3g speeds, you have to wait for AT&T to release their version of the TP2 (called the Fortress). As it is now, any TP2 that is unlocked is limited to Edge speeds. Sucks i know, but thats how it is Unless AT&T is in Europe and uses different bands for 3g over there that im not aware of.

Darn it. I know you're right it's just disappointing.
Thanks for laying it all out there for me.
Still a super cool phone tho! I hope it's not worn out before 3G makes it to me...
Was a very good replacement for my Sedna

My available WCDMA bands are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
Which is kinda funny because my Sedna will do 3G on the GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850) and this Touch Pro 2 will not.

kwburress said:
My available WCDMA bands are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
Which is kinda funny because my Sedna will do 3G on the GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850) and this Touch Pro 2 will not.
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tha tis because its radio doesnt actually have those available. it may list them but they are not available. you cant always trust the interface. this has been the case with the TP1,Diamond 1, TP2 and the HD

TP2 supports 900/2100 UMTS band and missing the 1900 (Reason why I didn't get TD2 or TP2). I have an Xperia X1i which supports the 1900 band and it works with ATT 3G flawlessly

kwburress said:
Darn it. I know you're right it's just disappointing.
Thanks for laying it all out there for me.
Still a super cool phone tho! I hope it's not worn out before 3G makes it to me...
Was a very good replacement for my Sedna
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Umm, correct me if Im wrong but wont the particular touch pro 2 you have never support att's 3g? I think if you want an touch pro 2 that works with their 3g you have to buy the one branded for them dont you?

Link278 said:
Umm, correct me if Im wrong but wont the particular touch pro 2 you have never support att's 3g? I think if you want an touch pro 2 that works with their 3g you have to buy the one branded for them dont you?
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currently yes. Thats not to say someone will not figure out how to get the bands enabled but so far the efforts for the TP1 and the HD have not proven successful (last i heard). If someone firgures out how to enable them (if even possible) i believe this community would put some money in their hands me included

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currently yes. Thats not to say someone will not figure out how to get the bands enabled but so far the efforts for the TP1 and the HD have not proven successful (last i heard). If someone firgures out how to enable them (if even possible) i believe this community would put some money in their hands me included
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wait does that mean that the unlocked versions technically are compatible with USA 3g but they just have it disabled?

Link278 said:
wait does that mean that the unlocked versions technically are compatible with USA 3g but they just have it disabled?
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No the bands just arent there. I've been a helper monkey for testing the US 3g capabilities of TP1 and helping with hacking attempts on it and trust me its not happening and I'll bet same on TP2

[Q] Desire Z A7275 (At&t 3g version)

So I've been using an unlocked g2 on At&t for about a month now and I absolutely love it. I recently found out that the Desire z A7275 model will support At&t's 3g bands in the US. Because of the 3g compatibility, I am most likely going to switch.
I currently have my g2 temprooted and overclocked. This may be a silly question but...the change in band frequency on the Desire Z A7275 won't change anything as far as rooting, will it?
Thanks

Not at all. They are essentially the same device. Using an unlocked/unbranded NAM Desire Z myself on AT&T and have had no problems rooting, modding, etc.

I have the A7275 on AT&T also. Perm rooted (with SuperCID,S-Off) and overclocked no problem.
On a side note, the Bell stock ROM is missing HTC Locations and Car Panel. But I use Google Maps anyway, and I find the car panel to be kinda useless.
The Bell stock ROM comes with a good amount of bloatware. But I was able to remove most of it with Titanium Backup, and the rest with an app called Absolute System Root Tool.

You guys *should* be able to use a custom ROM like Virtuous to keep Sense but go with a more stock Sense ROM.
I thought about getting an AT&T one and staying with them, but their data network in my area is freakin awful. Been with them 10 years, since they were SouthwesternBellWireless, and finally switched to T-Mobile for the G2. My coverage isn't any better, but at least when my phone says '3G', I get 3G speeds. Plus it's ~$50/mo cheaper for 2 phones.
LOVE the G2/Desire Z tho.

the orange bandit said:
You guys *should* be able to use a custom ROM like Virtuous to keep Sense but go with a more stock Sense ROM.
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Using custom ROM's isn't an issue. I am running Cyanogen 6.1 as I'm not a big fan of the Sense UI. Cyanogen's ROM feels much snappier on the device and is a cleaner, more basic look overall.
From my understanding, once you are Rooted and have S-OFF, any ROM that is compatible with the G2 will work with the Desire-Z. They did merge the two forums into one. These are the exact same devices, just with different band frequencies.

I know this is off topic, but as a former CSR for AT&T Mobility, I have absolutely no idea why you would go to such lengths to use their service. Is T-Mo just not available in your area?

Question, where did you guys get your A7275 from and for how much? I want one

illogic6 said:
I know this is off topic, but as a former CSR for AT&T Mobility, I have absolutely no idea why you would go to such lengths to use their service. Is T-Mo just not available in your area?
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Trust me, if I could get out of at&t's service I would. Unfortunately, I'm on a family plan with 4 lines. I havent upgraded in years, so technically, my contract is up. However, the rest of my family upgraded this past summer so I'm stuck with at&t for another 2 years. Early termination fees are too much and I can't afford to go pay for my own plan on another carrier. And, on top of that, T-mobile just arrived in my area and only has one or two towers.
Another question though: I've seen some unofficial alternate color schemes of the g2/desire z (black/blue). Does anyone know if there are any alternate versions of the 850/1900 3g desire z?

r34p3rex said:
Question, where did you guys get your A7275 from and for how much? I want one
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http://negrielectronics.com/htc-desire-z-850-1900-3g-unlocked.html
^This is where I will probably end up buying mine. Also, check out the below site for coupon codes ($35 off).
http://www.retailmenot.com/view/negrielectronics.com

cmccollough said:
Another question though: I've seen some unofficial alternate color schemes of the g2/desire z (black/blue). Does anyone know if there are any alternate versions of the 850/1900 3g desire z?
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I think that black/blue one was a prototype or at least an early idea for the colour scheme. There's no news that I'm aware of on any alternate colour schemes at the moment.

illogic6 said:
I know this is off topic, but as a former CSR for AT&T Mobility, I have absolutely no idea why you would go to such lengths to use their service. Is T-Mo just not available in your area?
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T-Mob coverage has not been great in my area (although I haven't really investigated it too thoroughly in the last couple years). I also require international roaming service for work, and AT&T is the best for that.

cmccollough said:
http://negrielectronics.com/htc-desire-z-850-1900-3g-unlocked.html
^This is where I will probably end up buying mine. Also, check out the below site for coupon codes ($35 off).
http://www.retailmenot.com/view/negrielectronics.com
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I got mine from Negri. They were great. They have webchat feature, and the customer service rep was very helpful, and was able to confirm the phone was in stock. I got a shipment confirmation about 2 hours after I placed the order, and the phone was in my hands 2 days later.

[Q] Difference between G2 and DZ

I have read for a while and I have found nothing that will make me 100% sure for what I need.
I'm interested in buying this phone as it's similar to the Sprint Evo Shift but will work with the new GSM network my carrier has with HSPA+ (at least for 7.2mbps as far as I've read).
So, I know the DZ will work as my carrier uses 850/1900 for HSPA, but I've seen that people with AT&T in the US buy the DZ (not the G2 as T-Mobile uses other frequencies).
My question is, what's finally the difference between both phones? Is there a hardware difference that makes them operate on different frequencies or is it only related to the flashed radio?
It's confusing to me as many people in the forum assure in other threads that the phones are exactly the same, but if people with AT&T spend more for the canadian version makes me think it's a HW issue.
Thank you and regards

Frequency compatibility is set in hardware, and can't be modified with software. You need to buy the phone that is compatible with your carrier's 3G network. As you suspected, this is the reason why AT&T customers (like myself) have paid premium prices for the Bell Canada version of the Z, the only version of the Vision that is fully compatible with AT&T's 850/1900 MHz 3G network.
Aside from frequency compability, the Z and the G2 are essentially the same phone. The G2 has a keyboard button for .www and .com (its a Tab key on the Z). But that's really it. Of course, the Z has Sense, but that is software, and you can flash a Sense ROM if you want.

redpoint73, thank you very much. I have the Evo Shift right now that works on the 3G CDMA network, but my provider just released the 4G HSPA+ GSM network and since then, I feel 3G speeds are getting lower every day and the network isn't as stable anymore as it used to be.
I was about to buy the T-Mobile version, but now I'm confident that I need the Bell version... Will have to wait for a good deal on Ebay. Too bad that HTC has only these options with keyboard, I really like my Evo Shift, but I'm getting speeds as low as 380kbps for download while users with HSPA+ are getting up to 4mbps...

Are you sure that GSM phones even work on Sprint? My understanding is that the your phone needs to be Sprint branded, otherwise they will not have an ESN number to activate in the system.
BTW, please click the "Thanks" button, if my post helped you.

No, I'm in Mexico, my carrier is Iusacell. They used to be a CDMA network, the first 3G network in Mexico built more than 10 years ago, most of us used to buy Sprint phones as they were the best to port to this company, however now they are starting their GSM network and it looks as if they're starting to leave the CDMA network out of the priority, so I'm looking for a phone that will work. I have done my research and they use the 850/1900 frequencies for HSPA+, so most US/Canada phones will work but not T-Mobile.
Thank you...

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No, I'm in Mexico, my carrier is Iusacell. They used to be a CDMA network, the first 3G network in Mexico built more than 10 years ago, most of us used to buy Sprint phones as they were the best to port to this company, however now they are starting their GSM network and it looks as if they're starting to leave the CDMA network out of the priority, so I'm looking for a phone that will work. I have done my research and they use the 850/1900 frequencies for HSPA+, so most US/Canada phones will work but not T-Mobile.
Thank you...
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Ahh, I understand now. That makes a lot more sense. You didn't mention your carrier (or country), but mentioned Sprint, so I assumed that was your carrier.
Right now, it seems that indeed the Bell Canada version of the Desire Z is best fit for what you want (same conclusion that I came to a few months ago).

Redpoint, don't forget the partitions are different on the phone also. The DZ has smaller partitions (system at least) than the G2. This hasn't been an issue... yet, given than every custom so far has been well below the stock size of even the DZ. With the new sense though, things are going to only go up in size for those ROMs. That being said it still shouldn't be an issue.

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Redpoint, don't forget the partitions are different on the phone also. The DZ has smaller partitions (system at least) than the G2. This hasn't been an issue... yet, given than every custom so far has been well below the stock size of even the DZ. With the new sense though, things are going to only go up in size for those ROMs. That being said it still shouldn't be an issue.
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Hard for me to forget it, since I wasn't aware of that :-/
Whats the exact breakdown of the difference in system partitions?
That's actually opposite of what one would expect, since the Sense ROMs take up more memory.

Yes, I hadn't mentioned my carrier earlier. Now my issue is that shipping from Canada to Mexico is prohibitive (more than 90USD), so maybe I will have to stay with the AT&T inspire... Will have to use Swype or something similar as an alternative to the physical keyboard.

mschmiedel said:
Yes, I hadn't mentioned my carrier earlier. Now my issue is that shipping from Canada to Mexico is prohibitive (more than 90USD), so maybe I will have to stay with the AT&T inspire... Will have to use Swype or something similar as an alternative to the physical keyboard.
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I was going to recommend the Inspire, even though you seemed to need/want a physical keyboard. It looks like a great phone.
The Desire Z is my 3rd smartphone, and all have had physical keyboards. But for my next, I am seriously considering going without the physical keyboard. I can't stand typing on a touch screen by the "traditional" method. But I've found that with Swype, I can type as fast, maybe even faster than with the physical keyboard. I've been finding myself using the physical keyboard much less than I thought I would.

Yes, I really like Swype too, but I have some issues with it. I write moste messages in Spanish, but I also use English and German. Changing languages is not as easy as I think it should be. But well, the main issue for me is that Swype always uses special charecters in Spanish/German (ñ, á, ä, etc.) which is nice on Emails, whatsapp, etc. but is a big problem with SMS texting as carriers in Mexico don't support these characters (it's really stupid) so messages sometimes get messed up completely.
I think that's the main reason why I like the physical keyboard. I have had many smartphones (mogul, touch, diamond, touch pro, motorola droid, htc evo and now the evo shift). I really hated the droid's keyboard, but the shift is really nice to use. Will have to get used to using on screen typing again... I think it's not worth paying 500 bucks for the Desire Z due to shippig if I can get a brand new Inspire for less...
Regards

redpoint73 said:
Hard for me to forget it, since I wasn't aware of that :-/
Whats the exact breakdown of the difference in system partitions?
That's actually opposite of what one would expect, since the Sense ROMs take up more memory.
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Sorry, didn't come back to this thread yesterday. I'm not sure of the exact breakdown for the partitions. I know the system is smaller and a couple others vary. There's an old thread somewhere on here with the details though.

AT&T Note II Cons compared to the International model?

As with just about every AT&T phone now a days it seems stuff is missing or gimped from the international models.
Already it seems like the Note II has only Tri-Band 3G and possibly no FM Radio, I've also heard something in the forums of it only supporting 21mpbs 3G rather than 42?mbps 3G like on the international models... can anyone confirm these things or know of anything else the AT&T Note II is missing? I'm really disappointed with this kind of stuff.

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As with just about every AT&T phone now a days it seems stuff is missing or gimped from the international models.
Already it seems like the Note II has only Tri-Band 3G and possibly no FM Radio, I've also heard something in the forums of it only supporting 21mpbs 3G rather than 42?mbps 3G like on the international models... can anyone confirm these things or know of anything else the AT&T Note II is missing? I'm really disappointed with this kind of stuff.
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Iirc att doesn't even support 42mbps, that's Tmobiles area. We have LTE, which is better. No FM radio is on all US versions. Blame the FCC
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I717 using xda app-developers app

if it was the FCC why would the FCC approve the int note for use in USA?

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if it was the FCC why would the FCC approve the int note for use in USA?
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or the FM radios on other US branded phones? ATT wants people to use data

tbong777 said:
or the FM radios on other US branded phones? ATT wants people to use data
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but.... it's not just ATT.
Some people just have weird personal vendettas against some cell companies saying they're "gimping" their phones. There is usually a pretty good reason. Like everyone was freaking over the s3 only getting a dual core in the US but it was because the chipsets didn't support LTE yet. Is that the carriers fault? Nope. Sure ATT wants you to use more data (they aren't a NPO lol) but they aren't the only ones to blame for stuff.

AT&T negatives:
LTE will use more battery power (even if you don't have LTE towers in your area or mess with the APNs - there's currently no known way to disable the LTE chip so it will draw power at least searching for a LTE signal.) For some, the positives of LTE outweigh this concern.
Carrier locked device - can't toss in a tmobile SIM and expect it to work. On the other hand, it's usually possible to SIM unlock the phones if you can talk AT&T into it and/or pay someone for a code.
Carrier controlled firmware updates - AT&T devices are typically 3-6 months (and more in many cases) behind international phones on firmware updates including bug fixes. The only carrier slower than AT&T for firmware updates is Verizon (and they might actually get the SGS3 to JB before AT&T does.) It's quite possible that a serious bug is found on the gnote2 and gets fixed for N7100 users, but AT&T (and other US carrier) users are left having to deal with the bug.
Carrier bloat. (Most of this can be frozen, but there might be parts coupled tightly enough with the rest of the firmware that it's difficult/impossible to properly disable it.) In some cases, a user actually might want some of the carrier bloat, however.
Missing firmware items - This goes further than just the FM Radio. I noticed that on my i9300 (international SGS3) there were many more programs than on my wife's AT&T branded SGS3. For example, dropbox, samsung apps, etc. Some of these are just bloat (so don't matter) and some are significant depending on the user.
Possibly a locked bootloader - this is unlikely, but until the phone is released, it's always possible.
Lack of (or less) support in the developer community. The AT&T phone likely won't get near the level of developer support that the international one gets. Put another way, for every 1 developer with a 317m, there are a dozen with n7100's.
This is only a partial list and is likely missing items that we won't realize until the phone is released. On the other hand, I've purposely included at least one item I doubt will be an issue (bootloader) to make the point that we don't yet have complete info.
Gary

Seeing as it's already been successfully rooted, I don't think the bootloader is an issue.

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Seeing as it's already been successfully rooted, I don't think the bootloader is an issue.
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I don't think it'll be an issue either, but the AT&T model hasn't been rooted - the Canadian variant has. Being that the devices will have different pre-loaded bloat, it's also possible they'll have different bootloaders.

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I don't think it'll be an issue either, but the AT&T model hasn't been rooted - the Canadian variant has. Being that the devices will have different pre-loaded bloat, it's also possible they'll have different bootloaders.
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Good point. I'm assuming they'll be the same.

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I don't think it'll be an issue either, but the AT&T model hasn't been rooted - the Canadian variant has. Being that the devices will have different pre-loaded bloat, it's also possible they'll have different bootloaders.
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This was back in Sept, posted by Briefmobile.. they've been pretty good with their sources.. and per article, the source has been spot on with the info it's been giving out... and it's said to have been rooted and comes with an unlock bootloader..
http://briefmobile.com/exclusive-att-galaxy-note-2-already-rooted-before-release

I have the ATT early, and I can assure you it is cwm-able and rootable.

garyd9 said:
AT&T negatives:
Lack of (or less) support in the developer community. The AT&T phone likely won't get near the level of developer support that the international one gets. Put another way, for every 1 developer with a 317m, there are a dozen with n7100's.
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Serious question, but why would this be the case? Other than the radios, aren't the hardware on all of the US variants and the international Note II pretty much identical? Couldn't we just flash the rom, but keep the modem corresponding to our carrier?
Not a developer or anything, but I'm just a curious consumer that might buy the Note II when it gets released on AT&T

crazililazn said:
Serious question, but why would this be the case? Other than the radios, aren't the hardware on all of the US variants and the international Note II pretty much identical? Couldn't we just flash the rom, but keep the modem corresponding to our carrier?
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That would be ideal, but it's doubtful. N7100 firmware doesn't work on the N7105 (international LTE), and there have already been kernel-level differences noticed between the 7105 and the tmobile variant. Chances are high that the tmobile variant is closer to the 317 than the 7105.
Of course, it's all guesswork until we start actually messing with the phone.

2 more (slight) cons. Native tethering on ATT is not free. And no FM radio app. Hopefully both can be fixed later by devs.

Lack of FM radio - pretty trivial I think.
Lack of a 32/64gb version of the phone (16gb only). Also trivial considering 64gb cards.
ATT tethering not being free isn't only an ATT issue and it's also not a phone hardware limitation....so I don't see this as a con of the phone itself, rather a carrier con. You can get this via rom

I read where someone mentioned that the AT&T model was missing the multi-window feature. Is it still not on the device? The international Note 2 has it. That's a pretty big omission if it's not there. I've been thinking really hard about which one to get but I'd rather have no bloat, fast(er) updates, and full manufacturer software instead of a carrier crippled device with LTE.

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I read where someone mentioned that the AT&T model was missing the multi-window feature. Is it still not on the device? The international Note 2 has it. That's a pretty big omission if it's not there. I've been thinking really hard about which one to get but I'd rather have no bloat, fast(er) updates, and full manufacturer software instead of a carrier crippled device with LTE.
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I kind of agree with this (especially since LTE is over a year away here) No FM radio ( I do use it and it saves battery as well as a lot Data)
Deal breaker is ROM development though. I learned my lesson with the Captivate insofar as development I was really hoping the ATT version would be equivalent to the International. Have to wait and see.

I realize that people really want custom ROMs, as I would, but considering how much better the hardware and OS is getting (note 2 cpu + project butter + 2gb ram) is bloat really so much of an issue?
Seems to me that we can always remove some of the apps we don't need.
Now as for customizations, like the "phablet" stuff that Jamie did with the paranoidandroid rom, those I'll miss.
But overall I'm excited to see how well this phone works, I should have mine on the 7th. I'm looking forward to the new S-Pen integration features, which should be really cool I hope. I am also anticipating a very smooth running device even with the bloated ATT rom As to custom rom's we'll have to see how it goes and keep our hopes up.

SkizzMcNizz said:
I read where someone mentioned that the AT&T model was missing the multi-window feature. Is it still not on the device? The international Note 2 has it. That's a pretty big omission if it's not there. I've been thinking really hard about which one to get but I'd rather have no bloat, fast(er) updates, and full manufacturer software instead of a carrier crippled device with LTE.
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Pretty sure the i.international models did not have the multi window function on release either (except maybe the Korean version). They got it in an update.
from a galaxy far far away....

tbong777 said:
I kind of agree with this (especially since LTE is over a year away here) No FM radio ( I do use it and it saves battery as well as a lot Data)
Deal breaker is ROM development though. I learned my lesson with the Captivate insofar as development I was really hoping the ATT version would be equivalent to the International. Have to wait and see.
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Same with the original Note vs. the international Note. The development was totally different. The development for the AT&T Note didn't even compare to the international. I almost traded my att Note for an international model but I decided to sell it and buy the One X. I forgot to mention in my previous post but that is also a huge consideration. It looks like, as of now, I'll be going with the International Note 2. I use Straight Talk on my One X and plan to with any of my future phones so it's not like I'd be able to use LTE if even my area did have it, which still won't be for at least another year or so.
I wonder tho if the development will be roughly the same since they have the same chipset this time around. Such as roms for the international being portable to the carrier versions and vice versa. Still, even with that, it looks like international versions usually have more development. Plus they get a head start.