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SuperCID for cooked ROM?

I'm confused, and this is probably an easy-answer question:
So I've got an 8535, SIM unlocked, using it with T-Mobile. If I want to put, say, Black Satin on it, do I need to make it SuperCID too?
If not ....... why make it SuperCID?

It's always a good idea to first refer to the WIKI; most all of your answers will be found there. Yours is a basic question that has been answered many times.

Honestly I didn't see it in the Wiki .......

Yeah, I just searched the wiki's again and couldn't find anything, and couldn't find anything doing a Google search too. Everything just says you need SuperCID to flash "another carrier's" ROMs onto the phone -- does Black Majik count as "another carrier"?
And then there's sites like trinityguides.com that say things like this: "you will not need to Super-CID your device in order to upgrade with these instructions. The RUU will push SSPL on to your device which will bypass CID check, and Hard-SPL will do the same things for you as a CID unlock, without actually unlocking it." This site reads different in the wiki.
If it is in the wiki, then what page is it on because I seriously cannot find it!

- On OLD devices using NBF format for rom upgrades, you where able to flash ANY rom to your device if you had it SuperCID.
- On NEW devices using NBH format for rom upgrades, the NBH format is SIGNED, which means the device's bootloader won't accept the ROM if it is not signed with the proper HTC certificate. If your device is SuperCID you'll be able to flash ANY carrier's ROM which are SIGNED with the proper certificate, but you won't be able to flash cooked ROMs (not signed with the HTC cert). For this you need a patched bootloader, such as SSPL, HardSPL or USPL, which will allow you to bypass signature checking EVEN if the device is not really SuperCID.
Hope it's clear now, feel free to add it to the wiki yourself

Aha! Fantastic! Thank you pof! (I'll add it later, methinks -- work now).
So what is the point of using another carrier's ROM? Just having their ROM on there? From what I've been reading, it looks like the cooked ROMs are definitely the way to go -- better apps, better performance, much sleeker styling.

Imagine somoene buys a Orange device, sim-unlocks it and uses it with a Vodafone SIM card. If he's not an average user, he probably just wants to put a Vodafone rom on the device to not need to setup data connection, mms settings, and have all the operator customizations integrated in the rom. This person is fine with just a CID-unlock, does not need to flash unsigned code (which generally has more risk than flashing a 'official' rom). But of course, the bast majority of us are not happy "only" with this

Thank you for the replies pof ... not all people are around to help, but you are. Thank you.

How to EXACTLY undo a wm6 upgrade?

Hi Everybody
My hermes is the following:
Vodafone 1605 ITA WM5
ROM: 2.07.165.1 (02/13/07)
Radio: 1.32.00.00
I don't know If I'm going to tryu the wm6 update, but, before even thinking about it, I want to make sure that I can restore it back to what it was in the beginning, in case anything goes wrong...
How can I save my Rom, radio and everything OR where can I find my exact rom and all the necessary stuff to revert it back?
I noticed a guide for wm5 downgrade, but that wolud probably only bring back wm5 in some form, and not MY wm5 and everything that comes with it...
I hope you understood what I mean
Is that even possible?
Thanks in advance

Happily, it's easy mate.
Download your original rom from the archive so you've got it to reinstall from. (Check your current versions of rom, radio, etc. to make sure it's the right one.)
When you want to downgrade, just plug in your phone and run the downloaded exe. It'll take LOADS longer for the 'old' rom to install than your upgrade to wm6 did. This is mainly because the 'old' (original) rom you download will install spl, ext rom, os, plash 1 + 2 and radio all at once.
Thats the easy way.
You could extract just the bits of the original you need to save time, but there are instructions in threads, wiki and downloads for that so I won't repeat it all here. It's Dutty's Good NBH Tool you'll be using (start your search with that if you want to go down that road).

Thanks for the quick reply
By "archive" do you mean this?
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Upgrades
So I guess my rom should be this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298541
It also matches my ROM and Radio version.
There's just one thing I don't understand... I looked at the WM6 guides on mrvanx.org, which show many many steps. Are you saying that I could just grab the latest original HTC exe update and launch it and it would update everything? And still only launch another exe to revert to the old stuff?
Then why do people take the risk and flash all the components separately? Just to use homemade roms?
Thanks

No, it's about the CID (area and carrier-specific idintifier) of your phone.
Your phone'll accept your old rom back because it's from the right country and carrier.
'Cooked' roms aren't the 'right' one for your phone and so you have to alter the phone so it won't care which rom you use. That's what all the messing about before installing wm6 is basically all about - to convince your phone that any CID is fine.
Similarly, I use OrangeUK as my provider and the phone 'wants' a hermes rom from them. Thusly you can't just download and use the latest HTC rom as it's not got the CID code your phone wants. Once you've used the OliPro software you'll be able to use all the roms you like.
The 'archive' is exactly what yopu found there, aye. With downloads coming in zips and rars I shouldn't have called that page the archive, soz.
As to the right rom, I wouldn't like to say, but if it's right country, carrier, radio and rom then you're laughing, download it and tuck it away safe.
Mine for example is the OrangeUK (ORANG001) one. The one with the AKU in bold. So that's been on my laptop since day one of having my hermes.

http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/
all your questions answered here!

chunkymonkey said:
No, it's about the CID (area and carrier-specific idintifier) of your phone.
Your phone'll accept your old rom back because it's from the right country and carrier.
'Cooked' roms aren't the 'right' one for your phone and so you have to alter the phone so it won't care which rom you use. That's what all the messing about before installing wm6 is basically all about - to convince your phone that any CID is fine.
Similarly, I use OrangeUK as my provider and the phone 'wants' a hermes rom from them. Thusly you can't just download and use the latest HTC rom as it's not got the CID code your phone wants. Once you've used the OliPro software you'll be able to use all the roms you like.
The 'archive' is exactly what yopu found there, aye. With downloads coming in zips and rars I shouldn't have called that page the archive, soz.
As to the right rom, I wouldn't like to say, but if it's right country, carrier, radio and rom then you're laughing, download it and tuck it away safe.
Mine for example is the OrangeUK (ORANG001) one. The one with the AKU in bold. So that's been on my laptop since day one of having my hermes.
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Ok that wes pretty clear
Let me just see if I got it right.
To go WM6:
- Upgrade CID to an unlocked version
- Either
1. Use HTC official exe upgrade, which updates ROM, ExtROM and Radio
or
2. Update Radio first and then ROM+ExtROM with a custom version
To revert to Vodafone WM5:
It's not assured that my radio can be safely downgraded (http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=27), so:
- Use Dutty's tool to extract my Vodafone ROM+ExtROM (no Radio) from the exe
- Downgrade SPL (not mandatory)
- Flash Vodafone ROM+ExtROM
Kinda?...

Yep, kinda!
But if you're planning to upgrade to WM6 with the correct VODAFONE release for your device you do not need to CID unlock your device and all that crap!
Sorry, I am not trying to confuse you!
Here an example:
Lets say you have an HTC Hermes from Vodafone UK with WM5 on there!
If Vodafone UK provides you an WM6 upgrade on their site (or if you find it in the 'archive' here in the Wiki then you do not have to CID unlock but you can run the upgrade without doing anything more than downloading the ROM and running it.
After you upgraded with the Vodafone UK WM6 you can 'downgrade' again with the Vodafone UK WM5 without any problems - even here a CID unlock is not necessary! Both ROMs contain the same CID code because of they are from the same provider.
A CID unlock is only necessary if you are planning to flash your device with ROMs which are not from your network provider, as example you want to flash a Hermes ROM from O2 UK to your Vodafone UK device. O2 UK is a different network provider and has a different CID code. Therefore your phone would refuse the upgrade and give you an error message WRONG VENDER ID!
CID unlock will trick your phone and it just does not care anymore about the VENDER ID (CID code) submitted by the ROM you're trying to flash!
The best way for you to play around with that stuff for a while might be to use SOFT_SSPL.exe to temporarely 'CID unlock' your phone. If you think that you really need it permanently CID unlocked because of you're going to flash it a lot then download the Hermes_Unlocker_3a which will do the job for you!
Please keep in mind that you will lose all data in your device when flashing!

Thanks again, and no, you are not confusing me
In fact, the only reason why I skipped that solution is because there's no official WM6 upgrade from Vodafone IT
Actually I like that SOFT_SSPL.exe thingy... Does it mean that my CID is unlocked just for the time of flashing or what?
And... it seems that you talk about CID and SPL like if they were the same thing... what's the difference?
Thx

Yes.
You will have to copy the soft.sspl.exe to your pda and run it from there. Just have your stuff ready for flashing before doing so.
The soft_sspl.exe is not writing anything to your ppc permanently. After flashing it is gone.
Please read the UPGRADING FOR BEGINNERS section in the Wiki carefully, even about bootloaders and all that crap before starting to flash!
TAKEN FROM THE HERMES WIKTIONARY in the Wiki section:
CID
The CID (Carrier ID) of the device is a setting which determines which carrier ROMs should be allowed to run on the device, a table of valid CIDs can be found in the wiki pages. All bootloaders (apart from HardSPL and SSPL) will only allow a ROM with the correct CID to be flashed onto the device. A device which has been CID unlocked will have 'SuperCID' which allows ANY ROM to be loaded onto the device, SuperCID also unlocks the Ext_ROM and allows it to be mounted.
SPL
See Bootloader.
SSPL
SSPL is a modified bootloader (by Des) which is loaded into RAM when run, this allows us to overwrite any aspect of the ROM, Radio or Bootloader far easier than using mtty. See the official thread for more info.

Do be aware that almost everyone ignores SSPL and upgrades their bootloader and SuperCIDs their phone with the OliPro software.
Although I always use SSPL myself, that's only because I keep a 'safety-net' copy of my own provider's most recent official ROM on my storage card. That way if I naff up the upgrade to wm6 and 'brick' my phone, I can easily restore it to out of the box condition without a PC.
(If you were thinking about using SSPL to avoid altering your bootloader - and remember you'd be going against the grain on this one - can I at least recommend you go here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_SDCardFlashing and set yourself up a HERMIMG.nbh on your microsd card before considering it? You don't want to go from all excited to gutted and no hermes.)

chunkymonkey said:
Do be aware that almost everyone ignores SSPL and upgrades their bootloader and SuperCIDs their phone with the OliPro software.
Although I always use SSPL myself, that's only because I keep a 'safety-net' copy of my own provider's most recent official ROM on my storage card. That way if I naff up the upgrade to wm6 and 'brick' my phone, I can easily restore it to out of the box condition without a PC.
(If you were thinking about using SSPL to avoid altering your bootloader - and remember you'd be going against the grain on this one - can I at least recommend you go here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_SDCardFlashing and set yourself up a HERMIMG.nbh on your microsd card before considering it? You don't want to go from all excited to gutted and no hermes.)
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Thanks for this really helpful advice!
I'll try to do some research on this option before doing anything, just to make sure that I know all the options before taking a definite road...
I still need to figure out what are the disadvantages of going HardSPL instead of using SSPL every time and if it's worth to update the radio firmware to the latest version, instead of just keeping my own.

If all radio functions seem good and reliable you could leave the radio upgrade.
On a 'new radio version' thread try to find any references from a user from your own country, region within that country and provider as regards any radio versions. each new one is simply the most recent that a provider somewhere has brought out. the latest version number by no means that any given phone on X provider in X region of X country will be improved. It could easily be worsened.
Another way to do it, and very long-winded, is to flash the latest radio and, if dissatisfied, go backward thorugh the versions till you get it performing satisfactorily.
If you're happy wwith your radio performance don't change it tbh. Just my opinion on that, some people may differ.

Gatz said:
... I still need to figure out what are the disadvantages of going HardSPL instead of using SSPL every time and if it's worth to update the radio firmware to the latest version, instead of just keeping my own.
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HardSPL will be permanently written (hard-coded) to your phone! This can be a problem if you have to mail in your phone for service! You would lose your warranty!
SSPL is just temporary for the moment. It executes from the RAM until the flash job is finished. Afterwards it is gone!
BTW: I made some experiments on my 8525:
It was not very difficult to 'undo' HardSPL! I simply took my original shipped ROM image file (nbh) and flashed it entirely with CustomRUU - afterwards HardSPL was gone.
If I ever get a new device I will use SSPL only. All you have to do, is, to copy it to your SD card and run it when you want to flash your device. That makes it only 1 more step compared to having your phone HardSPLed ...

Mmm, considering both your answers, I might go for SSPL, at least for the first time.
I thought that the official HTC update contained also a new radio version, so there should be no difference between carriers... that's a point that confuses me a bit.
I mean, are there HTC radios as opposed to Vodafone radios and so on?

24/11 - Finally, an unlocked SPL for Hero!

I've had this unlocked Hero SPL for a while now, and it's super useful for flashing unsigned updates and cool stuff like custom splashes. Unfortunately i've not been able to distribute it... until now!
WARNING
A PROBLEM FLASHING THE SPL CAN BRICK YOUR DEVICE - as such, proceed with caution. Don't flash this unless you need it, flash at your own risk, flash only to a GSM Hero and do not interrupt the flashing process (which happens on the first reboot after applying the zip). YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
The SPL, version 1.76.2007, is in the usual update zip format.
Download: MoDaCo
Enjoy!
P

MoDaCo splash...
http://android.modaco.com/content/s...ial-splash-on-your-device-with-a-modaco-logo/
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What exactly is the SPL and what benefits will we get from flashing it?

modaco said:
it's super useful for flashing unsigned updates and cool stuff like custom splashes.
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^^ What he said...
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fleming222 said:
What exactly is the SPL and what benefits will we get from flashing it?
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http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SPL%20Questions%3F
Searching is hard so why not get someone else to do it

Thanks modaco I will try it after christmas, just to be sure that my phone won't be bricked till I learn some things better

Nice!
Thanks Paul (and any other eventual leakers not mentioned).
Now I can get rid of my hacked SPL

do we copy this zip file to sd card and update through recovery image? like other radio, rom and theme applying?

Would I be right in thinking I need to CID unlock my Orange Hero (rooted) before I can flash an unlocked SPL? Or is that the whole point of an unlocked SPL?
Not planning on using phone on another network at the moment, just want rid of all locks.
I remember way back when, on my Kaiser, I needed to run Kaiserunlocker.exe when hardSPL'd it, but can't remember the exact procedure.
Many thanks
Phone:
UK Orange Hero (rooted)
ROM: MCR 2.8
Radio: 63.18.55.06IU_6.35.08.22
HBOOT:
hero cvt ship s-on
hboot-1.76.0007 (hero10000)
microp-010f
radio-6.35.08.22

on the device.
Thanks.. easy as cake.
Ready to flash all fun.
First your roms and now this ..
Forever thankfull.

Sulus1179 said:
Would I be right in thinking I need to CID unlock my Orange Hero (rooted) before I can flash an unlocked SPL? Or is that the whole point of an unlocked SPL?
Not planning on using phone on another network at the moment, just want rid of all locks.
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There should be no need for that, and long as you have rooted phone and a custom recovery you should be able to flash it.
You're confusing CID lock with SIM lock. The SIM lock is what limits your phone to a specific network.
CID lock is software enforced "label" that is used to limit what software can be installed on your phone.
For example: Your Orange branded phone is identical hardware-wise to my sim-unlocked Nordic Hero. However the phones have different CID values. Assuming you havn't rooted it you would be stuck to just running Orange approved ROMs on it. No other ROM would be allowed to be installed even if your hardware is identical and can run it.
CID is a non-issue once the phone is rooted and you got a custom recovery on it that allow us to install whatever we want since it ignores CID.
I'm not that versed in the SIM lock function, but from what I've seen it seems you can get some code to disable it from within Android (look around on the forum for instructions), or there is the serial cable method (explained in a sticky on this forum).
Hope that explains it.

just flashed and flashed modaco startup image too. its so cool. thnx a lot Paul. btw. how to make startup images? cheers

Sulus1179 said:
Would I be right in thinking I need to CID unlock my Orange Hero (rooted) before I can flash an unlocked SPL? Or is that the whole point of an unlocked SPL?
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Just flashed on a Orange Hero Thanks Paul.
This is what i have now:
HERO CVT ENG S-OFF
HBOOT-1.76.2007 (HERO10000)

Just a little Help
Noob... although i have done this on a windows mobile.... how do i flash it? just as i do it with an update.zip?
Thanks.... and please forgive my ignorance.

You read the first post which answers your question exactly.
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flashed and done! thanks Paul
P.S. I HATE flashing SPL's because of what can go wrong if not done correctly

finally..superCID without a serial cable..~~

thanks paul,
flashed on t-mobile g2,
HERO CVT ENG S-OFF
HBOOT-1.76.2007 (HERO10000)
i tried to flash the startup image, but failed
EDIT: i flashed again and it works the startup image!!
thanks a lot paul

great work paul, will try this out

Works great just flashed it.
Anyone that can provide the original hero splash1 image logo so i can flash it over a t-mobile logo.
Thanks

Flash unbranded ROM question

Hi everyone,
I bought an unlocked Desire HD, but I guess it's from German Vodafone.
Everything works fine etc, but I guess I rely on Vodafone for the latest update, isn't it?
I want to remove the carrier (Vodafone) stuff from my device. Is it possible to flash the original HTC (no carrier stuff) Rom on my device and also get the latest OTA from HTC, when it's available?
I searched via the forums already, but couldn't find a proper answer.
So I hope someone can help me

****head said:
Hi everyone,
I bought an unlocked Desire HD, but I guess it's from German Vodafone.
Everything works fine etc, but I guess I rely on Vodafone for the latest update, isn't it?
I want to remove the carrier (Vodafone) stuff from my device. Is it possible to flash the original HTC (no carrier stuff) Rom on my device and also get the latest OTA from HTC, when it's available?
I searched via the forums already, but couldn't find a proper answer.
So I hope someone can help me
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if you do a search on how to make a goldcard, once you have done that, you can just flash a generic htc ruu

Yes, although you may have to create a gold card first, also you don't say what your Firmware version is, but full instructions can be found here

ghostofcain said:
Yes, although you may have to create a gold card first, also you don't say what your Firmware version is, but full instructions can be found here
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Sorry, I'm on 1.39, fully rooted and Radio S-OFF & ENG S-OFF
Thanks for the help gonna search the gold card thingie

I went to Clockwork Recovery and selected "Select zip & update".
When it opens the zip it says: "Can't open the zip (bad)" and abort the whole thing.
I wanted to try a stock 1.32 rom, don't know what I'm doing wrong :-s

You do not do it in clockworkmod, but in bootloader. Just put the PD98IMG.zip to your SD card and reboot to bootloader. It will ask you automatically whether you want to flash.

OH i see
Thanks it worked ^^

Help needed ... unable to find RUU to restore using Orange GSM Desire

Hi all
I am afraid I need help, seems all I ask for ... I have never fully got my head round all of this android tinkering.
I have been running quite happily on a custom ROM but the time has come for me to try and get back to stock since I am trying to unlock the phone for use on another network. The code Orange have given me doesn't seem to work when using a different network SIM, but I got the code to enable me to use a custom Radio and rom ahead of Orange's release of Froyo.
So ... I have tried a couple of the WWE and Europe RUUs from the stock ROM thread
RUU_Bravo_Froyo_HTC_WWE_2.29.405.5_Radio_32.49.00.32U_5.11.05.27_release_159811_signed
RUU_Bravo_HTC_Europe_1.15.405.1_Radio_32.30.00.28U_4.05.00.11_release_121684
RUU-MoDaCo-Bravo-1.15.405.4-release
both fail to complete saying "ERROR[131]: CUSTOMER ID ERROR" I guess that means Orange variant. I have googled but I can't see anywhere that I can get hold of the Orange original eclair or the new Froyo ROMs. Any help on getting this sorted would be much appreciated as I presume others have hit issues when using Orange Desires
I also seem to have lost the ability to get into recovery mode ... and thus update my current ROM to anything else
Any ideas on what my best steps may be now?
Cheers
Sam

You need to create a goldcard in order to flash a branded handset to an unbranded ROM. Same story if you try to use another carriers branded ROM (not sure why you would, but hey.)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=954723&highlight=goldcard
Always make sure that you have the Goldcard in your phone when performing OTA updates.
Another important point is that you need the HTC software / drivers installed on your computer and also make sure you phone has USB Debugging enabled when creating your goldcard.