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Fastest 8525 Rom

Monday I received my 8525 in the mail. After setting everything up and playing with wm5 for a few hours I switched to vp3g's latest rom. I've done some tweaks to increase speed but it's still a little sluggish.
I've looked at the benchmarks that Karhu has made but I'm still not sure which I should be trying. Of course I could install new roms and find the one I think is fastest, but I'd like to get other peoples input on this.
What is the fastest rom? I'm looking for something that switches from landscape to portrait mode the fastest and opens programs and menus the fastest.

Just try them all, you will receive mixed opinions from users that use different rom's. You are the only one that can determine which is the fastest for you.

as custel has stated ,try them all, thats what i did to find the best rom for me

Yes, again the same question just a different day...
Go with your instincts and try a few!

Yes, try a few and then post back here with what you think is fastest to switch from portrait to landscape. I am curious.

larsuck said:
Yes, try a few and then post back here with what you think is fastest to switch from portrait to landscape. I am curious.
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Most likely one of the roms with a larger pagepool...

I've tried most of them and Black Satin and Hypercore SE feel the most responsive. Mind that you have to install your software on the SD card to keep your ROM snappy.

WDawn said:
I've tried most of them and Black Satin and Hypercore SE feel the most responsive. Mind that you have to install your software on the SD card to keep your ROM snappy.
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Where you install software has nothing to do with the system response....

WDawn said:
I've tried most of them and Black Satin and Hypercore SE feel the most responsive. Mind that you have to install your software on the SD card to keep your ROM snappy.
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Yep.. Most roms when flashed are quick but slow down with the amount of programs you install/run. Just keep that in mind.

CUSTEL said:
Where you install software has nothing to do with the system response....
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Weird, i do feel that the responsiveness of the system goes down when i install the apps in the phone memory. When i install them on the sd card the system remains much snappier.
That's my impression anyway.

schaps 4.01

WDawn said:
Weird, i do feel that the responsiveness of the system goes down when i install the apps in the phone memory. When i install them on the sd card the system remains much snappier.
That's my impression anyway.
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I feel the same on this also...
BTW, I have used both Schap's 4.00 Full, Scahps 4.01 Lite and VP3G's latest releases (3.62.3?) All awesomely cooked ROMS and props to the chefs, but the ATT official Carrier release seems to be the speediest of all.

Now when you say snappier are you guys refering to the program running or just navigating around the ROM? My programs i need to run fast always run faster in main memory. As for fastest i like hypercore and beleive it or not the New ATT but ive been throught about 12-15 roms and versions since ive had my device and the ATT made it the longest with about 3 weeks use.

myv6mustang said:
...beleive it or not the New ATT but ive been throught about 12-15 roms and versions since ive had my device and the ATT made it the longest with about 3 weeks use.
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Where do you find the time to constantly do updates? That and don't you get sick of reinstalling software and updating stuff? Updating this thing is a major inconvenience, especially when you have to scrap all your dates on the calendar. (I know Activesync is supposed to back this up, but still, what PITA). This kind of constant tinkering is what drives people to the likes of the iPhone (I'm not there yet, though!)

Theres always new roms on here. Most roms take about 10 mins to update. I have all cabs saved on my memory card so it only takes about 20mins to set up the phone. Its just that everytime i come on here there is a new damn rom . I have looked at cooking my own but have had no luck. I actully just flashed a new rom and was looking for another before i found this thread...i dont know i may need help...
I'm sam and im addicted to flashing...
Other addicts:
"Hello Sam"

Gman007 said:
Where do you find the time to constantly do updates? That and don't you get sick of reinstalling software and updating stuff? Updating this thing is a major inconvenience, especially when you have to scrap all your dates on the calendar. (I know Activesync is supposed to back this up, but still, what PITA). This kind of constant tinkering is what drives people to the likes of the iPhone (I'm not there yet, though!)
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Setup a free exchange account with mail2web...that's what I did, I have my gmail forwarded there- that way, when I reflash I just have to setup the connection and it downloads my contacts, appts, to-do, and e-mail...works like a charm for me...I also keep the programs I install in a folder on my sd card, and just install them quickly as cabs, whole process takes me <10mins no biggie

myv6mustang said:
Theres always new roms on here. Most roms take about 10 mins to update. I have all cabs saved on my memory card so it only takes about 20mins to set up the phone. Its just that everytime i come on here there is a new damn rom . I have looked at cooking my own but have had no luck. I actully just flashed a new rom and was looking for another before i found this thread...i dont know i may need help...
I'm sam and im addicted to flashing...
Other addicts:
"Hello Sam"
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you think your addicted??? lol check out me and these guys
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=300316&highlight=addicted
when i had my wizard i flashed at least 30 maybe 40 times (some repeats)

thunda_chunky said:
you think your addicted??? lol check out me and these guys
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=300316&highlight=addicted
when i had my wizard i flashed at least 30 maybe 40 times (some repeats)
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Only 30 or 40? Faria and I would do that in one two weeks, eheheh!
yes, the saving your cabs to your SC and having SOME kind of push mail service is a must, IMO. Indeed I'll pull off to the side of the hiway, whip out my Thinkpad and reflash another ROM when the one I'm testing goes south... and I'm back up and running 10 minutes after it's done with a months worth of emails from my Exchange server. (Of course me having one cab that adds all my settings including my User info helps )

thunda_chunky said:
you think your addicted??? lol check out me and these guys
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=300316&highlight=addicted
when i had my wizard i flashed at least 30 maybe 40 times (some repeats)
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Well i guess im alright...i hold roms for more than a week and i dont think i would get out of bed with the misses to flash a ROM...that was funny

ATT is the shiznit
Honestly,
and i'm quite surprised myself, but i do find the ATT wm6 rom to be the snappiest i've tried. My issue now, is that there isn't enough space on it. I wish there was someway i could get rid off all the ATT stuff.
what i'd get rid of:
Internet Sharing (never gonna use it)
SAP Settings (no clue)
Push to Talk (don't live in the US)
Customer Feedback
Windows update
voice speed dial
windows media player (much prefer htc audio manager)
real player
zip (since it doesn't open rar files and i'm gonna need winrar anyways)
error reporting
oh & i want the kaiser comm manager & dialer
and to get rid of the god awful noisy att startup animation.

Vogue Custom ROMs ?

Anyone out there brave enough to share up their OEM ROM?
Or even the original WWE from HTC?
From what I understand, there's at least 3 carriers in NA w/ HTC Vogue: AFAIK, we've got Sprint, Bell and Telus.
People, share up your ROM!

Doesn't look like there are too many people who want to help you with this. I'm looking into swapping my Titan for a Vogue in the near future so once I have it I will find out how to dump the Rom and see whats even possible. I would say that the only real reason to build a custom ROM with this particular device would be to remove all of the bloatware from Sprint. It is the TOUCH, the epitome. It is what everyone else here is trying to replicate. Why change it except to maybe change the page pool or remove unwanted apps? It's already great as it is.

I hate the sprint bloatware - forced Sprint page start up on mobile IE, etc, I dislike what Sprint has done with the ROM. more then willing to be a test case.

actually....
actually it is possible and the oem roms are posted if you search.
I have a touch and i've had it since they day it came out. A couple weeks after it was released ImCokeMan released a patched SPL to allow you to flash with custom roms.
There are also OEM Roms for the Touch from Sprint readily available if you do a little searching. I'd suggest checking out ppcgeeks.com
btw... i've cooked several custom roms for the Sprint Touch (Vogue). The thing is that the Touch (Vogue) has a pretty solid, high performance rom to begin with. There are only a few modifications that anyone would even desire in a custom rom at this point...
again "search" is your friend.

Thx; however, there's only a couple out there from Sprint... I was hoping to try out some other OEMs....
Vogue is a pretty strong ROM... not much to add to it except GPS and WIFI... that's the "million dollars question...

I just want the strip down non-sprint OEM ROM.

jessiethe3rd said:
I just want the strip down non-sprint OEM ROM.
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This could also be problematic... Without the extras that Sprint adds onto the ROM(barring Pocket IE), it could affect the phone functions as well couldn't it? This is not a standard GSM phone we are talking about here that simply needs a Network Wizard to automatically configure for carrier. This is a little more advanced.

I believe removing all non-OEM settings/apps from the ROM might render it not usable on their network.
However, one way is to input some network settings manually afterwards....
##778# gives you some details to maybe copy manually....

For Bell, my touch has
the radio version of 1.59.1 and rom version 1.17

Well I think that someone needs to build some kind of custom ROM if anything. The Touch has a bad memory leak in the official ROM. If you leave the device on, plugged in and turned on, for more than 24 hours you will notice a considerable memory leak. The device has 128Mb of RAM and after soft-reset with nothing running on the device other than the OS, it has 77Mb free. After being turned on for more than 25 hours without soft-reset, it only has less than 45Mb free. That more than 30Mb leak is a big problem for anyone looking to max out their system and add all of the latest and greatest apps and games for their phones.

dharvey4651 said:
Well I think that someone needs to build some kind of custom ROM if anything. The Touch has a bad memory leak in the official ROM. If you leave the device on, plugged in and turned on, for more than 24 hours you will notice a considerable memory leak. The device has 128Mb of RAM and after soft-reset with nothing running on the device other than the OS, it has 77Mb free. After being turned on for more than 25 hours without soft-reset, it only has less than 45Mb free. That more than 30Mb leak is a big problem for anyone looking to max out their system and add all of the latest and greatest apps and games for their phones.
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I thought this was a bug in WM6 in general. I have seen alot of Mogul users complain about this as well.

It is a common problem with most Windows Mobile 6 based devices but I have seen it fixed. It's a major leak I'm talking about though. Nothing small and annoying, but a BIG leak that is aggravating.

telus rom
I will give you a copy of my telus rom if you tell me how to dump it, I'm kind of a noob

From what's mentioned, it seems as though my Bell Touch is pretty much a bare ROM, not much bloatware installed by bell, and what's there is easily removed. It even comes preloaded with Esmertec Jbed.
Pretty cool, as canadian providers usually cripple the crap out of their phones. I hope this is a sign of change in our mobile industry.

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For Bell, my touch has
the radio version of 1.59.1 and rom version 1.17
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My touch has Rom 1.16.666.1
Radio: 1.59.00
Would be nice if bell released updates regularly

I read a post on PPCGeeks that said you can by-pass the Sprint customizations. In the post it said the only thing you have to do is manually load the cabs for Sprint TC and Win Live. I have been thinking about doing a Hard Reset anyway to clean out some of the foot prints left by things I have installed and then removed.
I will give it a try and report back.

dan-htc-touch said:
I will give you a copy of my telus rom if you tell me how to dump it, I'm kind of a noob
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Thanks Dan!
Sorry about the delay..... I'll try get u some straight forward instructions on this one!
FYI, for those interested, Bell has released a new ROM but not much has changed in it tho. But, at least, we have a official WWE ROM to play with
HOW-TO update
http://www.utstarcom.com/pcd/downloads/MP6900BM Bell Aliant Update Instructions.doc
BELL VOGUE ROM
http://www.utstarcom.com/pcd/downlo...1.17.666.1_1.59.10_BM_NV133_PRL31398_Ship.exe
ROM version: 1.17.666.1
Radio version: 1.59.10

i would also be interested in the telus rom.I installed a sprint custom rom but i dont like it and would like to go back to original rom.If anyone could help me thanks a millll

360discgolf said:
I read a post on PPCGeeks that said you can by-pass the Sprint customizations. In the post it said the only thing you have to do is manually load the cabs for Sprint TC and Win Live. I have been thinking about doing a Hard Reset anyway to clean out some of the foot prints left by things I have installed and then removed.
I will give it a try and report back.
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Yes, you can opt out of most of the Sprint stuff at the initial power on of the device. Immediately when the Vogue launches into windows and the theme is still at the teal WM6 default a popup appears with a 3 second timer set to press YES. If you press NO then it does not load up the black Sprint theme (your sign that it did not go through) and the expected stuff. I am not positive if a hard reset will take you back to that point.

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Yes, you can opt out of most of the Sprint stuff at the initial power on of the device. Immediately when the Vogue launches into windows and the theme is still at the teal WM6 default a popup appears with a 3 second timer set to press YES. If you press NO then it does not load up the black Sprint theme (your sign that it did not go through) and the expected stuff. I am not positive if a hard reset will take you back to that point.
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After I loaded the ROM without the Sprint customizations I had problems with voicemail. I got a VM and I could not get the notification to go away no matter what I did. I have got back to the Sprint customizations and I have not had any problems

My Tilt 2 observations

Less than 24 hours into the phone and not fully explored but ...
1. As discussed elsewhere, the Snooze and Alarm issues suck. No Snooze intervals. "Next Alarm" does not show.
2. Receipt of txt msg. does not light up the screen, but I wonder if this is merely a setting in sounds and notifications
3. Default browser in the tf3d tabs blows. Does not appear it can be reset to another browser.
4. Call list does not show pics of the callers that are saved with their contact information.
5. The threaded texts are ok and I suppose I will get used to it but I am not cool with seeing my own outbound texts show up in my INBOX with the designation "me".
I have NOT installed any of my spb products or other cabs yet. Just feeling it out. One of the greatest tweaks was reassigning the PTT to Voice Recorder and I am hoping to do that with the T2.
I will experiment with disabling tf3d soon enough and maybe that will resolve some of these issues.
Big thanks to the XDA crew for the tips, tweaks and cabs that helped me customize my original Tilt and I am looking forward to what you guys can do with the T2.

i kept the at&t rom on there for like 10 mins. i flashed a few different cooked roms, but settled on the offical htc 6.5 rom. very fast, stable, and much less bloatware. i would advise flashing a new rom asap, before u set up all ur preferences.

I also agree that you will be much happier on any of the custom roms, or the stock HTC rom.
Unfortunately AT&T loaded so much garbage onto the tilt2 that the phone is sluggish and just not fun to use.
Once you get a better rom.... you'll love the phone.

omaralt said:
i kept the at&t rom on there for like 10 mins. i flashed a few different cooked roms, but settled on the offical htc 6.5 rom. very fast, stable, and much less bloatware. i would advise flashing a new rom asap, before u set up all ur preferences.
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Well, I am still screwing around with it but I disabled TF3D and then installed SPB MS 3.5. I have not installed any of the MS tweak cabs though.
The screen clarity and the keyboard make it worth the price of admission to me. I think I paid 199.
Will flashing over the HTC ROM give me the keyboard issue that is mentioned in another thread? ATT has managed to set new records in crapware. On the Tilt 1 I could hard reset and soft reset, eliminating the crapware. Does that work on this T2?

I have to say, I've had no problems making the ATT one work for me. First, I purchased 16GB micro SD external storage. Started deleting all the extra misc files that come with the ATT, demo music etc.. moved pictures/albums off to external.
Then I've gone through and started throwing on some of the tweaks. Removed bottom bar, disabled internet push, increased Opera tabs, removed Opera from staying in memory, threw on some of the extra camera modes, and hit up some of the common reg edits.
I've had no problems with the phone's performance now. Fast as ever. The Opera in memory was the largest performance upgrade since I saved about 10% memory.

jinxey said:
I have to say, I've had no problems making the ATT one work for me....
removed Opera from staying in memory, threw on some of the extra camera modes, and hit up some of the common reg edits.
The phone works ok; no "problems" just preference issues.
How did you take Opera out of memory? For a 10% boost in device memory I'ld do that, even though I also typically run with a 8gb card (which I have not put in yet...and how freakin wierd to have the slot where it can not be quickly accessed!)
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First I disabled Push Internet:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532948
install the NoPushInternet_v2.CAB
Second I forced Opera to close upon exiting instead of minimizing (taken from tweaks sticky)
* Go to: HKCU\Software\HTC\TaskManager\ExclusiveList\System
* There delete Opera9.exe (now it will show in the task manager)
* Go to: HKCU\Software\HTC\TaskManager\TerminateProcess
* There, create a DWORD with the name Opera9.exe value "1"

omaralt said:
i kept the at&t rom on there for like 10 mins. i flashed a few different cooked roms, but settled on the offical htc 6.5 rom. very fast, stable, and much less bloatware. i would advise flashing a new rom asap, before u set up all ur preferences.
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If I find, download, and use the official HTC 6.5 ROM, would this:
A: Void warranty?
B: Remove any software, ect that would handicap my Tilt 2 in any way?

rajuabju said:
I also agree that you will be much happier on any of the custom roms, or the stock HTC rom.
Unfortunately AT&T loaded so much garbage onto the tilt2 that the phone is sluggish and just not fun to use.
Once you get a better rom.... you'll love the phone.
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Where could I find the stock HTC Rom?

DLTempler said:
Well, I am still screwing around with it but I disabled TF3D and then installed SPB MS 3.5. I have not installed any of the MS tweak cabs though.
The screen clarity and the keyboard make it worth the price of admission to me. I think I paid 199.
Will flashing over the HTC ROM give me the keyboard issue that is mentioned in another thread? ATT has managed to set new records in crapware. On the Tilt 1 I could hard reset and soft reset, eliminating the crapware. Does that work on this T2?
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Yes you will have the keyboard issue. But installed the keyboard cab fix and you're set to go. I'm using it and works great.
No, the hard/soft reset wont eliminate crapware sadly. You need to go to another ROM. Trust me, you wont look back.

why does everyone say that their screen doesn't light up when the get an SMS? Is Tmobile the only carrier that kept this feature in, because mine lights up every time.
if you don't like the threaded SMS you can disable it with Advanced Config.

New Touch Pro2 - what to do First

Just got my new Touch Pro2 in the mail today, i will be retiering my Titan and activating the TP2 on the Verizon network.
Question: is there anything i should do first before activation?
I plan on installing one of the custom rom and have already downloaded HardSPL to unlock the phone.
Using the phone with Verizon is there a need to upgrade the Radio at this point?
Just want to make sure before fire this thing up.

Have a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=517
That is your section
Enjoy!

Why don't you first start working with the device?
I'm still using the original WM6.5 ROM and have no problems with it.
Just my 2 cents.

First , press the power button and check if the the device works smoothly

get a quality screen protector and put it on
charge it up and turn it on
use it for a while and see how you like it
Hard spl it
use it more and see if there is anything you want or dont want on it that will help you decide which Rom to use
enjoy playing with it. We all say we use these things for business etc but what we all really like is the fact we can play with them and truely make them our own.

TdiDave said:
Question: is there anything i should do first before activation?
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Yes, I would def invest in a nice case for it. I have the tmobile version, and a slight drop already scratched the hell out of the bottom. They sell a few cheap clear plastic ones on ebay. I got one and I think it makes its it look so much nicer.

hi, all these answers mean the same: just use ist. well, in fact BEFORE activation there is nothing much to do..
its unimportant for using defferent ROMS or any else software or/and upgreades if u activated the phone before or after activation because each important change of the rom or something will delete every custom data on the phone. i dont know if there is something that wil be stored after activation of the hardware wich wont be deleted.
i was using my phone for month and then i changed the rom, upgraded to 6.5 and all these stuff and after each change i had to input each custom data and information again (i was using some backup programms and stuff to set the phones content back to the state of my first usage like integrated microsoft myphone and spb backup)
there was nothing that told me that i have less possibilities after the activation than i had before. so just use it.
but dont forget: if you woud install programms and patches BEFORE an bigger upgrade or change of the ROM, they all will be lost after the patch/upgrade.
and another tip: just make changes u really need. as the british people say: never touch a running system. sure, on custom ROMs and Patches there are some nice features but always ask youself: do i need it? if not theres a lot of work for nothing and if u will make any bigger mistakes its possible you will crash your phone. and no one will give back your money.
but just to explain my status: i am a WM beginner. maybe everything i said is wrong
everything i said is just subjective my opinion

Nervous Newb

So I just picked up a Tilt 2 from a buddy. It runs horribly slow, and through file explorer and such I've removed a lot of the junk bloatware.
Basically I'm just looking for any tips/advice while I build up the courage to do my first flash.
Anything anyone could share would be greatly appreciated!

Read, read, read. Then do some searching and read some more. Don't be in too much of a hurry. That's my advice. And welcome to the boards.

First things first, it is super easy, just follow the steps and everything should work. One of the most important things to remember is, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS check if the software you are downloading is compatible with your version of WM or TF3D. You can check this info by going to start > settings > system > device info >software information.
Depending on what your buddy did to the phone, he could have completely screwed it all up. I would recomend doing a couple hard resets on the device (with the device off hit your power button, the send key and the volume down, it should bring you to a grey screen where you can reset to manufacture defaults). Next, since you are on AT&T go look for some specific AT&T ROM fixes (AT&T speed fix, dynamic proxy, nopushinternet are three big ones for WM 6.1, not sure about 6.5).
Keep reading around and when you come across something you don't like do some searches, about 99% of the information i've ever wanted was findable via a google search.

When I got it from him I erased memory, and reset it to how I wanted. He wasn't really into modding so it was pretty much stock.
All I know really is:
radio is 4.48.25.20
Rom: 1.59.502.3 (67150) WWE
If that means anything to anyone.
Thanks for the kind replys. I was hoping to not get too flammed!

that seems like some really old stuff. Yeah, it took me a full month to get up the courage to run HardSPL..when I did, it didn't work 4 times in a row (screen would just go black (not like suggested it would) and would stay that way). I got so scared, but luckily every time it didn't work, my phone still worked, so no brick. Finally on my last attempt before I was going to give up for good, it worked!! now I've flashed a few roms and it is awesome.
My advice, like others is to read a lot, memorize the HardSPL post (read: read it a million times) before you attempt it and make sure you're doing it when you have nothing but free time and no interruptions (I was doing it at work and people coming in and out of my office, was not fun!)

For your first flash you will need to remember that you are a GSM device, anything CDMA will not work. Read up on Hard SPL your GSM device and Flashing your first GSM ROM. Both of those are the groundwork for everything you will be doing, it is important to understand them fully.
I would suggest doing a hard reset following this technique:
Clear Storage via start menu (start > settings > system > Memory or Clear storage).
Flash Stock ROM
Remove battery, replace after 30 seconds and Clear Storage
Flash Favorite ROM
Remove battery, replace after 30 seconds and Clear Storage
That should fully wipe your storage and you will experience a much quicker OS. Also, you might wanna try the follow:
SSK Dynamic proxy cab
AT&T Tilt 2 Data speed fix
NoPushInternet
That should improve performance as well.

Thanks for the tips!!
Another question... How do I know what will go with my phone? Will everything say Tilt 2 in the title?? I see a lot of Pro, etc but just want to make sure...

joe3681 said:
Thanks for the tips!!
Another question... How do I know what will go with my phone? Will everything say Tilt 2 in the title?? I see a lot of Pro, etc but just want to make sure...
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Any GSM tools (ROMs, Radio ROMs, unlockers, etc.) made for the HTC Touch Pro2 (Rhodium) should work on your AT&T Tilt2. Things for the original HTC Touch Pro (Raphael) will not work on your Tilt2, as will things made for CDMA Worldphone Touch Pro2 variants, and when used on your device will likely brick it. Ensure that any tools or ROMs you use are GSM and for the Touch Pro2/Rhodium/Tilt2, and you will be fine

For the Tilt2 I really recommend that you start off after your hard reset by installing and running Crud Scraper. It will get rid of all the bloatware that will be reinstalled after a hard reset.
Then as others have said read lots, make lots of backups so that if you load something that doesnt work right or you dont want you can just reload a known good backup. I use Sprite and like it a lot.
The phone will also be a lot faster if you dont run TF3D. It does use a lot of memory and although it looks nice it doesnt really do anything. It is a personal choice however.
I would play around with different settings and tweaks with the stock rom until you find out what you really like. Then you can flash a rom that has the stuff you want in it.

That was the first thing I disabled! That 3D crap was horrendous! I deleted a lot of stuff through the file browser and it's a noticeable amount better. The one thing I dont like is the browser. It's the slowest thing I've ever used! I get non-stop errors and cant do half the stuff I want! Even on wifi, it's slow. Maybe it's just the phone itself, idk. Other than that, it's getting better. Ill try that cleaner, thanks again for the suggestions!