So I just picked up a Tilt 2 from a buddy. It runs horribly slow, and through file explorer and such I've removed a lot of the junk bloatware.
Basically I'm just looking for any tips/advice while I build up the courage to do my first flash.
Anything anyone could share would be greatly appreciated!
Read, read, read. Then do some searching and read some more. Don't be in too much of a hurry. That's my advice. And welcome to the boards.
First things first, it is super easy, just follow the steps and everything should work. One of the most important things to remember is, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS check if the software you are downloading is compatible with your version of WM or TF3D. You can check this info by going to start > settings > system > device info >software information.
Depending on what your buddy did to the phone, he could have completely screwed it all up. I would recomend doing a couple hard resets on the device (with the device off hit your power button, the send key and the volume down, it should bring you to a grey screen where you can reset to manufacture defaults). Next, since you are on AT&T go look for some specific AT&T ROM fixes (AT&T speed fix, dynamic proxy, nopushinternet are three big ones for WM 6.1, not sure about 6.5).
Keep reading around and when you come across something you don't like do some searches, about 99% of the information i've ever wanted was findable via a google search.
When I got it from him I erased memory, and reset it to how I wanted. He wasn't really into modding so it was pretty much stock.
All I know really is:
radio is 4.48.25.20
Rom: 1.59.502.3 (67150) WWE
If that means anything to anyone.
Thanks for the kind replys. I was hoping to not get too flammed!
that seems like some really old stuff. Yeah, it took me a full month to get up the courage to run HardSPL..when I did, it didn't work 4 times in a row (screen would just go black (not like suggested it would) and would stay that way). I got so scared, but luckily every time it didn't work, my phone still worked, so no brick. Finally on my last attempt before I was going to give up for good, it worked!! now I've flashed a few roms and it is awesome.
My advice, like others is to read a lot, memorize the HardSPL post (read: read it a million times) before you attempt it and make sure you're doing it when you have nothing but free time and no interruptions (I was doing it at work and people coming in and out of my office, was not fun!)
For your first flash you will need to remember that you are a GSM device, anything CDMA will not work. Read up on Hard SPL your GSM device and Flashing your first GSM ROM. Both of those are the groundwork for everything you will be doing, it is important to understand them fully.
I would suggest doing a hard reset following this technique:
Clear Storage via start menu (start > settings > system > Memory or Clear storage).
Flash Stock ROM
Remove battery, replace after 30 seconds and Clear Storage
Flash Favorite ROM
Remove battery, replace after 30 seconds and Clear Storage
That should fully wipe your storage and you will experience a much quicker OS. Also, you might wanna try the follow:
SSK Dynamic proxy cab
AT&T Tilt 2 Data speed fix
NoPushInternet
That should improve performance as well.
Thanks for the tips!!
Another question... How do I know what will go with my phone? Will everything say Tilt 2 in the title?? I see a lot of Pro, etc but just want to make sure...
joe3681 said:
Thanks for the tips!!
Another question... How do I know what will go with my phone? Will everything say Tilt 2 in the title?? I see a lot of Pro, etc but just want to make sure...
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Any GSM tools (ROMs, Radio ROMs, unlockers, etc.) made for the HTC Touch Pro2 (Rhodium) should work on your AT&T Tilt2. Things for the original HTC Touch Pro (Raphael) will not work on your Tilt2, as will things made for CDMA Worldphone Touch Pro2 variants, and when used on your device will likely brick it. Ensure that any tools or ROMs you use are GSM and for the Touch Pro2/Rhodium/Tilt2, and you will be fine
For the Tilt2 I really recommend that you start off after your hard reset by installing and running Crud Scraper. It will get rid of all the bloatware that will be reinstalled after a hard reset.
Then as others have said read lots, make lots of backups so that if you load something that doesnt work right or you dont want you can just reload a known good backup. I use Sprite and like it a lot.
The phone will also be a lot faster if you dont run TF3D. It does use a lot of memory and although it looks nice it doesnt really do anything. It is a personal choice however.
I would play around with different settings and tweaks with the stock rom until you find out what you really like. Then you can flash a rom that has the stuff you want in it.
That was the first thing I disabled! That 3D crap was horrendous! I deleted a lot of stuff through the file browser and it's a noticeable amount better. The one thing I dont like is the browser. It's the slowest thing I've ever used! I get non-stop errors and cant do half the stuff I want! Even on wifi, it's slow. Maybe it's just the phone itself, idk. Other than that, it's getting better. Ill try that cleaner, thanks again for the suggestions!
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Anyone out there brave enough to share up their OEM ROM?
Or even the original WWE from HTC?
From what I understand, there's at least 3 carriers in NA w/ HTC Vogue: AFAIK, we've got Sprint, Bell and Telus.
People, share up your ROM!
Doesn't look like there are too many people who want to help you with this. I'm looking into swapping my Titan for a Vogue in the near future so once I have it I will find out how to dump the Rom and see whats even possible. I would say that the only real reason to build a custom ROM with this particular device would be to remove all of the bloatware from Sprint. It is the TOUCH, the epitome. It is what everyone else here is trying to replicate. Why change it except to maybe change the page pool or remove unwanted apps? It's already great as it is.
I hate the sprint bloatware - forced Sprint page start up on mobile IE, etc, I dislike what Sprint has done with the ROM. more then willing to be a test case.
actually....
actually it is possible and the oem roms are posted if you search.
I have a touch and i've had it since they day it came out. A couple weeks after it was released ImCokeMan released a patched SPL to allow you to flash with custom roms.
There are also OEM Roms for the Touch from Sprint readily available if you do a little searching. I'd suggest checking out ppcgeeks.com
btw... i've cooked several custom roms for the Sprint Touch (Vogue). The thing is that the Touch (Vogue) has a pretty solid, high performance rom to begin with. There are only a few modifications that anyone would even desire in a custom rom at this point...
again "search" is your friend.
Thx; however, there's only a couple out there from Sprint... I was hoping to try out some other OEMs....
Vogue is a pretty strong ROM... not much to add to it except GPS and WIFI... that's the "million dollars question...
I just want the strip down non-sprint OEM ROM.
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I just want the strip down non-sprint OEM ROM.
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This could also be problematic... Without the extras that Sprint adds onto the ROM(barring Pocket IE), it could affect the phone functions as well couldn't it? This is not a standard GSM phone we are talking about here that simply needs a Network Wizard to automatically configure for carrier. This is a little more advanced.
I believe removing all non-OEM settings/apps from the ROM might render it not usable on their network.
However, one way is to input some network settings manually afterwards....
##778# gives you some details to maybe copy manually....
For Bell, my touch has
the radio version of 1.59.1 and rom version 1.17
Well I think that someone needs to build some kind of custom ROM if anything. The Touch has a bad memory leak in the official ROM. If you leave the device on, plugged in and turned on, for more than 24 hours you will notice a considerable memory leak. The device has 128Mb of RAM and after soft-reset with nothing running on the device other than the OS, it has 77Mb free. After being turned on for more than 25 hours without soft-reset, it only has less than 45Mb free. That more than 30Mb leak is a big problem for anyone looking to max out their system and add all of the latest and greatest apps and games for their phones.
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Well I think that someone needs to build some kind of custom ROM if anything. The Touch has a bad memory leak in the official ROM. If you leave the device on, plugged in and turned on, for more than 24 hours you will notice a considerable memory leak. The device has 128Mb of RAM and after soft-reset with nothing running on the device other than the OS, it has 77Mb free. After being turned on for more than 25 hours without soft-reset, it only has less than 45Mb free. That more than 30Mb leak is a big problem for anyone looking to max out their system and add all of the latest and greatest apps and games for their phones.
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I thought this was a bug in WM6 in general. I have seen alot of Mogul users complain about this as well.
It is a common problem with most Windows Mobile 6 based devices but I have seen it fixed. It's a major leak I'm talking about though. Nothing small and annoying, but a BIG leak that is aggravating.
telus rom
I will give you a copy of my telus rom if you tell me how to dump it, I'm kind of a noob
From what's mentioned, it seems as though my Bell Touch is pretty much a bare ROM, not much bloatware installed by bell, and what's there is easily removed. It even comes preloaded with Esmertec Jbed.
Pretty cool, as canadian providers usually cripple the crap out of their phones. I hope this is a sign of change in our mobile industry.
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For Bell, my touch has
the radio version of 1.59.1 and rom version 1.17
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My touch has Rom 1.16.666.1
Radio: 1.59.00
Would be nice if bell released updates regularly
I read a post on PPCGeeks that said you can by-pass the Sprint customizations. In the post it said the only thing you have to do is manually load the cabs for Sprint TC and Win Live. I have been thinking about doing a Hard Reset anyway to clean out some of the foot prints left by things I have installed and then removed.
I will give it a try and report back.
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I will give you a copy of my telus rom if you tell me how to dump it, I'm kind of a noob
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Thanks Dan!
Sorry about the delay..... I'll try get u some straight forward instructions on this one!
FYI, for those interested, Bell has released a new ROM but not much has changed in it tho. But, at least, we have a official WWE ROM to play with
HOW-TO update
http://www.utstarcom.com/pcd/downloads/MP6900BM Bell Aliant Update Instructions.doc
BELL VOGUE ROM
http://www.utstarcom.com/pcd/downlo...1.17.666.1_1.59.10_BM_NV133_PRL31398_Ship.exe
ROM version: 1.17.666.1
Radio version: 1.59.10
i would also be interested in the telus rom.I installed a sprint custom rom but i dont like it and would like to go back to original rom.If anyone could help me thanks a millll
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I read a post on PPCGeeks that said you can by-pass the Sprint customizations. In the post it said the only thing you have to do is manually load the cabs for Sprint TC and Win Live. I have been thinking about doing a Hard Reset anyway to clean out some of the foot prints left by things I have installed and then removed.
I will give it a try and report back.
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Yes, you can opt out of most of the Sprint stuff at the initial power on of the device. Immediately when the Vogue launches into windows and the theme is still at the teal WM6 default a popup appears with a 3 second timer set to press YES. If you press NO then it does not load up the black Sprint theme (your sign that it did not go through) and the expected stuff. I am not positive if a hard reset will take you back to that point.
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Yes, you can opt out of most of the Sprint stuff at the initial power on of the device. Immediately when the Vogue launches into windows and the theme is still at the teal WM6 default a popup appears with a 3 second timer set to press YES. If you press NO then it does not load up the black Sprint theme (your sign that it did not go through) and the expected stuff. I am not positive if a hard reset will take you back to that point.
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After I loaded the ROM without the Sprint customizations I had problems with voicemail. I got a VM and I could not get the notification to go away no matter what I did. I have got back to the Sprint customizations and I have not had any problems
Hey,
I just got mine tilt2 and i dont realy wanna start flashing it yet but i'm not liking all that att crap.
Is there a way like on the old tilt to do soft reset anfter you do clear storage to load only base software with out att stuff.
I've tried few times but with out any luck.
I know you said dont wanna flash yet but I cant see another option to get rid of all crap carriers install.
And on my experience cooked ROM´s by our great Chefs here are always much better than the "official" ones...
Yea I agree. I think the only way ur truly going to get rid of that bloat is to flash a new ROM. Its like buying a dell computer. The only way ur gonna get rid of all of the bloat is reformat the OS.
i dont have the tilt 2 yet, but with the fuze all you had to do is do a hard reset, and then when it goes to teh screen "customizing in 3 seconds", just soft reset the phone. it worked on the fuze, and i''m assuming it should work on the tilt
when we remove the AT&T bloatware, will it remove AT&T appcenter? i'd like to keep that...considering its basically WM marketplace.
I just went to settings tab, removed the AT&T tab from Manila.
Then went to the \Device\Program Files and removed all the games manually.. As well as the Mall and whatever other things I know I'll never use.
Then I went to the Start Menu (with Resco, showing all files), removed all the AT&T shortcuts I don't need, moved stuff around..
Now it's nice'n'snappy, and I don't see any AT&T stuff I don't want.
Thats one way to do it. Of course most of the bloat is still there just more hidden now. I'm not sure if you can interrupt the customization in wm6.5 and still have a successful boot. I would think that a lot of the stuff that is in the ROM is in the base not in the customization. Thats just my assumption based on my ROM cooking knowledge
Meh.. I'm sure it's not all bloat.. I bet some of it is actually some needed fixes/tweaks for at&t network..
Whatever the case, it runs fast and we'll see how it goes.
i agree. this is way i wanna keep this rom, i just wanna cleenit up a bit.
i cant seem to overide internet tab properties (xml file in widows folder) so every time i open opera from the tab it loads att.net. i tired to modify reg and still nothing. there r also other things that drive me nuts.
i like it to be clean but i guess is just me.
Why not just cook your own ROM? You don't have to make major changes u can just remove some of the extra packages and recompile the ROM.
thats good idea. How can i extract current rom out of my phone?
would i use kitchen or do i need some other software?
emilware_v1.1 said:
Hey,
I just got mine tilt2 and i dont realy wanna start flashing it yet but i'm not liking all that att crap.
Is there a way like on the old tilt to do soft reset anfter you do clear storage to load only base software with out att stuff.
I've tried few times but with out any luck.
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omaralt said:
i dont have the tilt 2 yet, but with the fuze all you had to do is do a hard reset, and then when it goes to teh screen "customizing in 3 seconds", just soft reset the phone. it worked on the fuze, and i''m assuming it should work on the tilt
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The TP2 does not have an extended memory partition like some previous HTC devices (My old Hermes for example). That extended partition was used to hold the bloatware installers that were configured to run after the first reboot whenever the device was hard reset.
The bad news is that the bloatware is now cooked directly into the ROM by HTC.
The good news is that the space that would be lost to extended memory is usable.
Some of those cooked in bloatware apps might still be uninstallable via the remove programs applet but will still have traces left behind.
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Just got my new Touch Pro2 in the mail today, i will be retiering my Titan and activating the TP2 on the Verizon network.
Question: is there anything i should do first before activation?
I plan on installing one of the custom rom and have already downloaded HardSPL to unlock the phone.
Using the phone with Verizon is there a need to upgrade the Radio at this point?
Just want to make sure before fire this thing up.
Have a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=517
That is your section
Enjoy!
Why don't you first start working with the device?
I'm still using the original WM6.5 ROM and have no problems with it.
Just my 2 cents.
First , press the power button and check if the the device works smoothly
get a quality screen protector and put it on
charge it up and turn it on
use it for a while and see how you like it
Hard spl it
use it more and see if there is anything you want or dont want on it that will help you decide which Rom to use
enjoy playing with it. We all say we use these things for business etc but what we all really like is the fact we can play with them and truely make them our own.
TdiDave said:
Question: is there anything i should do first before activation?
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Yes, I would def invest in a nice case for it. I have the tmobile version, and a slight drop already scratched the hell out of the bottom. They sell a few cheap clear plastic ones on ebay. I got one and I think it makes its it look so much nicer.
hi, all these answers mean the same: just use ist. well, in fact BEFORE activation there is nothing much to do..
its unimportant for using defferent ROMS or any else software or/and upgreades if u activated the phone before or after activation because each important change of the rom or something will delete every custom data on the phone. i dont know if there is something that wil be stored after activation of the hardware wich wont be deleted.
i was using my phone for month and then i changed the rom, upgraded to 6.5 and all these stuff and after each change i had to input each custom data and information again (i was using some backup programms and stuff to set the phones content back to the state of my first usage like integrated microsoft myphone and spb backup)
there was nothing that told me that i have less possibilities after the activation than i had before. so just use it.
but dont forget: if you woud install programms and patches BEFORE an bigger upgrade or change of the ROM, they all will be lost after the patch/upgrade.
and another tip: just make changes u really need. as the british people say: never touch a running system. sure, on custom ROMs and Patches there are some nice features but always ask youself: do i need it? if not theres a lot of work for nothing and if u will make any bigger mistakes its possible you will crash your phone. and no one will give back your money.
but just to explain my status: i am a WM beginner. maybe everything i said is wrong
everything i said is just subjective my opinion
I feel really stupid on this forum. Everyone is so smart and knows what their doing most of the time. You all talk the lingo and I'm lost half the time. I'm trying to play catch up, read and learn as much as I can. How did all of you learn this stuff? I'm searching these forums and googling everything! I'm a new Android user(obviously)and I love my Nitro, minus the horrible battery life. I really like the fact that these phones can be modified a lot. So far I've rooted my phone and did the no carrier, blue icons and battery % mods.
Now that my 30 days is over, I can NOT screw up my phone. Basically I'm not going to do a thing to it till I have a clue. I guess there's a de-bricking write up, but that is CONFUSING as hell to me. I just need lots of detail, pictures, or better yet, a video to learn that kind of stuff. Reading how do the CWM doesn't look too bad, only because I googled it for the Nitro and there's already a few cites that made a clear write up. Installing a custom ROM doesn't look to hard either. However, all the modifications to these ROMS is overwhelming. Back to Google I go for all of that stuff stuff. I just figured out how to use Titanium Backup Pro, I think. What isn't clear is how to restore my phone with the apps/contacts after a custom ROM is installed. I know theirs more I'm forgetting, but that's enough for now.
I'm not ranting, just slightly frustrated don't understand it all. Not really sure what I want out of writing all this. Maybe some guidance, help, insight and or some answers to some of my questions. Thanks for reading!
It's not you, it's just like picking up on a computer, it takes time. I'm still a noob my most standards. I'm on my 3rd Android phone and know my way around my phones, but I don't know anything about development and don't really know my way around the Android file system that well. Here are some common terms that may help you out.
ADB - Android Debug Bridge, used for running commands to your device from your computer
Fastboot - It allows you to connect to your phone and run commands without booting entirely into your rom
CWM - ClockWorkMod, most common non-stock recovery tool
Bootloader - This partition loads your rom or recovery depending on what you need / select
If there's anything you're curious about just ask and I'm sure someone will help out. My ADB and Fastboot definitions are from my very limited understanding.
Check this out too, should be helpful. Found it on Google.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619153
You'll do just fine so long as you don't try to do too much too soon.
I got started by simply rooting my AMOLED DROID Incredible, following some online guides. After that, I removed some bloatware. I kept reading about how to do more and once Cyanogenmod 7 came out for my phone, I used it. I've stuck with it ever since.
There are other things I'd like to know, too, like if I can get remove stock applications when I'm already using replacements (browser, email, messaging, etc.). But that might have to wait until I upgrade my device so that I can try it on this phone and not the new one.
Anyway, I hear ya when it comes to the steep learning curve. Baby steps, man. Baby steps. You'll get there in due time.
Sent from my AMOLED DInc using XDA App
Man, you haven't lived until you brick your brand new first android phone within a week and a half of purchasing it off contract I almost shat bricks, I thought my phone was a lost cause.
1st andoid device for me too but I love the customization that it provides and dont like the risks. The biggest mistake I have made so far is getting stressed about change. Consequently, I will lose some patience and not follow a direction properly or think through a step like I should.
I did start with TB pro aswell but still broke my phone by freezing the stock launcher then later doing a factory reset. But I would have avoided that if I had been more patient and doublechecked what I had frozen prior. The good news is that caused me to dive in to Malninion's debrick guide which forced me to learn the basics of accessing this phone through the computer and issueeing commands which are all pretty straightforward albeit uncharted territory for me.
Now that I have a basic idea of how to use the basic tool kit I will be installing the cwm but I am waiting a bit longer to let any issues reveal themselves and more importantly see how folks really o er from those issues. Then after getting a better understanding of wtf cwm is ! I will instaall/ flash one of the custom roms after giving them a bit of time to sort themselves out as well.
So basically my strategy is to go slow, don't jump right on with a new dev until those more knowledgeable about it do and give it a good going over.
So now I'm trying to read how to use Titanium Backup to restore your apps after a you install a new ROM.
I found this> http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/viewsonic-gtablet-technical/12513-howto-titanium-backup-restore-apps-system-data-new-rom.html I know not to restore system data though.
Now what is frustrating is this: (If you have the donate version, don't forget to save your TitaniumBackup_license that is in the root folder.)
I have the Pro version, that I am 100% sure and it all works. What I think is my root folder, there is NOTHING in there (/root). I tried a search using Root Explorer and looked in Astro. I can't find my TitaniumBackup_license.txt file. I've google searched trying to find where it is and apparently it's a big secret that everybody knows but me.
It's really easy once you do it a few time's, if you need help let me know.
I do not do too much in the way of making anything.
Although, i do seek out whatever files such as
¤ROM's
¤Radios
¤Boot loader
¤Apps
¤Kernels
¤Recoveries
¤Programs(tool kits, auto-root, Odin, etc.)
¤ADB too
¤Boot Animations
I do keep most of what i find for the GNex(GSM Google play "edition").
I am always flashing and running tests against things that need to see how well they work where i live(tx) for t-mobile which is the same, of course, as at&t,and metro PCS in my area.
¤¤I just keep a fresh ROM which i feel it gives me the ability to help people who are just starting out on flashing and rooting.
Message me for important questions.
Post for general "troubleshooting".
I wont link in board. arrangements can be made though.
I will do my best to keep an eye on here.I don't plan on using the App but A am just a browser away.
What I keep "constant".
The screen shots i took show a few constants.
¤Keep to newer ROM's mainly because i was gathering too many Gigs.
¤I did not notice any big change in boot loaders so i stick to the newest one
¤I use the the newest RIL and Base Band (there are apps to help)
i did notice i change in changing these in *#*#4636#*#*.
i wouldn't go digging around in there if you don't know what to look for
¤No Google framework flashed.(too much signing in) i use 3rd party apps to keep updates
i also save my phone book to a .vcf and import it to phone.
*not suggested*
¤Total-commander app and windows or Linux program help.
¤AOSP is a must for a back up ROM.
¤I found a kernel i personally like. i find a way each time to get it to work with changing ROM's
What I have broken and fixed
Last but not least...what i have put this phone through, and what i have brought it back from.
¤Hard-Bricked in all sorts of ways
¤Soft-Bricked even more ways
¤Failed ROM flashes due to missing a step
¤¤*when i first started learning i lost my radios network info. required to connect to anything through RIL....
¤¤*figured out a way that worked on getting it back without racking my head inside files sifting through code*
¤i know a few work around when it comes kernels
¤i don't use Google framework anymore, there are benefit.
¤rooted every way i could find, including ADB pushes.
¤some tool-kits(though not suggested). the GUI is normally easier to manage.
¤Odin of course. Heimdall when applicable
¤Apps for Apps....without too many Apps slowing do the phone
*~*~*~AOSP*~*~*~AOSP. i cannot stress that enough.
I have put this phone through whatever i can find and it still work just fine.coming out on top with this phone is the only option.
Ask, ask, ask....many of us (i believe) do this because its interesting.