N900 seems superior to the TP2 in every way except the keyboard, is anyone else thinking about getting an n900? 5 megapixel camera with dual led flash, decent keyboard, fast processor, great multimedia capabilities, upnp, 32gb built in with sd expansion... what does the touch pro 2 have over it?
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... what does the touch pro 2 have over it?
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The N900 seems like a nice phone, but I prefer the stylus, hand writing recognition, windows mobile, and XDA support that the TP2 has to offer.
I got a TP2, waiting to get N900 when it's release. Do what I do, then you wont have to decide between 2 phones lol.
Agree with sakshaug007
Strange...
Coming to an HTC specialized forum like XDA to say that n900 is better?
Don't really think so...it has symbian on it...
TP2 with WM is just great!
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Agree with sakshaug007
Strange...
Coming to an HTC specialized forum like XDA to say that n900 is better?
Don't really think so...it has symbian on it...
TP2 with WM is just great!
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no symbian... maemo... and my father has a TP2 which I've been customizing for him and playing with and I agree it's an awesome phone. I wouldn't mind having either one, but the N900 clearly has superior hardware except for keyboard
ok maemo whatever, is not WM...
And hardware keyboard is more than enough to go for it!
Sorry, I got to say that these "this versus that" topics are useless. Don't let a couple of forum users sway your opinion. There are numerous text/video reviews of the TP2. And when the N900 releases, it will receive the same treatment from reviewers. Make your own decision based on your needs and preferences.
And forget specs. Just check out that monstrosity that Toshiba made (TG01).
For me TP2 is a better choice than Nokia. The large touchscreen, qwerty keyboard. And I got diamond 2. I like it very much. So if I have to choose one, I'd get HTC. I even don't know how to change message tones on n900.
The deciding fact is people themselves not the phones.
I will definitely get the N900 once it's released in the US and after the initial price drop. The TP2 will be my back up phone.
Maemo (true Linux OS) + faster processor (OMAP3) + more RAM (256MB & 768MB virtual) + more space (32GB) + better camera
i prefer tp2
tp2 is my choice
I had a N800, and I think the major problems with it were lack of developers and the high price tag for the N810. Maybe the N900 will spur new Maemo growth with subsidized prices, but the MSRP needs to go down a lot. It's fun to be able to run Debian on a mobile device, just not all that useful at the end of the day (for me, at least).
Other than that, I think we can all agree that the TP2 needs a better camera and flash.
True, the TP2 is lacking, but the N900 won't have 3G in the States, I believe, not that there's a lot out available anyways...
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True, the TP2 is lacking, but the N900 won't have 3G in the States, I believe, not that there's a lot out available anyways...
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It has T-mobile 3g bands
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It has T-mobile 3g bands
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Yeap and it's just perfect for me
I think both are great "phones", so everyone needs to decide for themselves. That having siad: it has been stated on a website (fprgot the URTL) that the N900 only has landscape view and no portrait. If that is true, then the N900 is not a real replacement/competito to the TP2
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I think both are great "phones", so everyone needs to decide for themselves. That having siad: it has been stated on a website (fprgot the URTL) that the N900 only has landscape view and no portrait. If that is true, then the N900 is not a real replacement/competito to the TP2
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I haven't heard that, but even the N800/N810 could do rotation through a switching app (through a kernel hack). And I thought the N900 was supposed to have an accelerometer. It worked quite well on the N8x even without one...
I think a lot of features for the n900 are forthcoming, they just wanted to release it asap... as far as rotation they said that devs are free to include it into their apps, weather it is integrated on the ui level remains to be seen.
Two things concern me though, the lack of buttons which the tp2 has, and the lack of XDA support... I don't know how talented the maemo developers are but I don't imagine they are as good as some of the guys here... time will tell
the standard view of the N900 is landscape, so you need (extra) software to rotate it to portrait, which is IMHO cumbersome.
For the rest I agree with RTbar
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ok maemo whatever, is not WM...
And hardware keyboard is more than enough to go for it!
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orb3000 said:
Agree with sakshaug007
Strange...
Coming to an HTC specialized forum like XDA to say that n900 is better?
Don't really think so...it has symbian on it...
TP2 with WM is just great!
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You are assuming that everyone is as much a wm fanboy as yourself. We get that your pro wm but to say that he cant come into an htc forum and tell hem what he can and cant say....Thats just being thick and limited on your part. What do you think of Android on HTC phones!? Go to the Hero section and say that too then.
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Sorry, I got to say that these "this versus that" topics are useless. Don't let a couple of forum users sway your opinion. There are numerous text/video reviews of the TP2. And when the N900 releases, it will receive the same treatment from reviewers. Make your own decision based on your needs and preferences.
And forget specs. Just check out that monstrosity that Toshiba made (TG01).
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Why would these topics be useless. He is a asking a legitamate question. He is torn between phones and asking knowledgeable community what they think. Many others may be on the fence about which phone to get.
Also I see that when asked about specs on the tp2 (which are ****) the common tp2 enthusiasts defensive is to compare a device loaded with specs but **** on gui like the TG01. Come on, like that is the only device that is has better specs as yet. Check out the B7610 omnia pro.
@ ORB Stop being so limited, Its competition. You want other phones to be better to increase competition, hence HTC will keep pumping out phones that are better and better. IE nvidia v. ATI. SEE QUOTE not directed at PILOT
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A, orb3000, we all know this is a htc forum, but we still like to be kept abreast of the latest technology, we want people like newforce to post this type of news as it gives us an idea of what hardware other manufacterers are putting in the devices
so when u write "Not of much interest here as we dedicate to HTC devices only", this just isnt true as we want this type of info to keep us clued in.
just because this is a htc devices forum doesnt mean we dont want people to contirbute news on other hardware.
B, NewForce, this is and always has been a htc device thread and its not changing anytime soon
but like i said above posts can be made on other hardware models unless its a post asking for a forum
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doe anyone know if a touch pro 3 being released by the end of the year that is based on the snapdragon like the HD2?
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/10/06/htc-touch-hd2-hands-on/
The HD2 has more powerful hardware than the touch pro 2 but it lacks a hardware keyboard
Cheers,
Jed
I would say not by the end of the year. Q1/2010 maybe. Just guessing based on that I haven't seen nor heard any rumors concerning TP3 yet.
Hmm might move ahead on the TP2 or N900 then instead...
I know the N900 is anaemic hardware-wise compared to the HD2 (& maybe TP2).
But the software might be far more promising & I prefer hardware keyboards.
Thanks
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Hmm might move ahead on the TP2 or N900 then instead...
I know the N900 is anaemic hardware-wise compared to the HD2 (& maybe TP2).
But the software might be far more promising & I prefer hardware keyboards.
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I fully agree Hardware keyboard is a must have. Specially for working. My dream is to have the Leo (HD2) with this. Then we will get the best in class.
See if you like this feature: http://marcustavares.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/htc-touch-pro-3-a-dream-pda/
Liked your dream PDA!!
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There is already another thread with this same topic!!
where's the thread?
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There is already another thread with this same topic!!
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very creative, if they come close it'll be a dream machine
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See if you like this feature: http://marcustavares.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/htc-touch-pro-3-a-dream-pda/
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Marcus Tavares said:
I fully agree Hardware keyboard is a must have. Specially for working. My dream is to have the Leo (HD2) with this. Then we will get the best in class.
See if you like this feature: http://marcustavares.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/htc-touch-pro-3-a-dream-pda/
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3.8" is coming close but I wouldn't call it my dream machine. My dream machine as at a minimum a 4" screen. A LEO with a (vertical) slider keyboard would pretty much qualify as my dream machine.
The original name for the HD2 was going to be pro.three. So I would guess a actually pro3 with hardware keyboard will definitely follow. They usually leave it a year between diamond/pro releases so I will guess you will have to wait til next May (October for the US ).
I wonder if Australia gets such releases shortly after Europe or much later like the US?
I know we use mostly the same cellular tech used in Europe.....
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The original name for the HD2 was going to be pro.three. So I would guess a actually pro3 with hardware keyboard will definitely follow. They usually leave it a year between diamond/pro releases so I will guess you will have to wait til next May (October for the US ).
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Close redundant thread!
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where's the thread?
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Here it is!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=568321
pauloke said:
The original name for the HD2 was going to be pro.three. So I would guess a actually pro3 with hardware keyboard will definitely follow. They usually leave it a year between diamond/pro releases so I will guess you will have to wait til next May (October for the US ).
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Yeah, I´m complety agree!
Soon we will see a great succesor
thank-you ...
A better idea would be to merge this thread.
If that's possible....
Another one even older!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=485459
It´s always a question of using search
Mods will decide if merge or close or...
Yes search is good
That one's more of an 'imagineering' than a speculation thread.
But of course it's up to the mods
this phone with a keyboard and the Touch Pro 2 keyboard would be the best phone ever created. Hopefully they will make it.
I heard Q1 for this phone.
Those who want a Leo with a keyboard should keep an eye open for the Toshiba K01, due out some time before Xmas (hopefully). 4.1" Capacitive screen, Snapdragon processor, and WM 6.5.
http://www.wmexperts.com/toshiba-k01-k02-and-l01-appear
not bad, keyboard looks a lil dodgy though...
keyboard is poor , i wonder why companies go to fashionable keyboard and forgetting about comfort
Shasarak said:
Those who want a Leo with a keyboard should keep an eye open for the Toshiba K01, due out some time before Xmas (hopefully). 4.1" Capacitive screen, Snapdragon processor, and WM 6.5.
http://www.wmexperts.com/toshiba-k01-k02-and-l01-appear
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I think I'll wait for the tp3, as I know what I will get from HTC. The TG01 Gui is the worst ever put on a phone to date. Hopefully this thing is spared.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5475&tag=content;col1
As HD2 owner I am dissapointed.
Again!!
But its just a spokeperson.. so we can't track the source... wich makes it a rumor..
Who cares what someone says at microsoft......they keep saying "No No No" like Amy winehouse....... HD2 can support it with EASE.
The reason why they say "No" is that microsoft has promised manufactuers that NEW OS equals Great Sales.....extacly how they did with the VISTA series !!!
What ever I say to microsoft......they like it or not....WE WILL get WP7S on out HD2 phones.....I love XDA !
One of the main reasons I got the HD2 was that I thought it would be upgradeable... I'm still hoping that it'll happen, one way or another.
I'm passing on the HD2 just beacuse of this reason I got my TP2 and when the HD2 came out I said I would just wait to see what WM7 is going to look like before I upgrade. I'm glad I waited. Guess you guys should have done the same. No one nows if porting to the HD2 will be possible yet so I wouldn't get too excited.
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The reason why they say "No" is that microsoft has promised manufactuers that NEW OS equals Great Sales.....extacly how they did with the VISTA series !!!
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Existing hardware on desktops is upgradeable and Microsoft even gave free updates for systems purchased within the months leading up to release.
It's funny how they still leave the door slightly open with their statement.
The first device that has WP7 on it (as long as it doesn't suck) I'll be buying. My Touch Pro is due for retirement.
if you have read the article you will clearly see that the Microsoft spokesperson said that they currently dont have plans to update the HD2...key word being currently. but WP7 wont be out until around christmas....so curruntly they may not have have an update, but by release time they might. sometimes u have to read in between the lines...its something they are deffinatley working on, because if they werent, they could just give a straight answer instead of beating around the bush.
as a owner of an hd2 I would he dissapointed but I am really positive about this for simple reasons. i may be wrong about this but still ill say my opinion .
as a lot of ppl have seen on YouTube there is a video of someone from Adobe with hd2 with flash 10.1 and a (new kind of IE) which according to me is available on wp7s (according to MS a renewed browser with pinch to zoom )
BTW the home button of hd2 can somehow be reprogramed as the search button.
ok on YouTube you see the start menu but you don't see him opening the browser.
as i said I may be wrong but its my opinion.
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the Microsoft spokesperson said that they currently dont have plans to update the HD2...key word being currently
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No, the key word is "don't".
Yeah when someone says they currently don't have any plans it means they aren't going to do it unless it has a major effect on their business if they don't.
really?
Then that means all the 6.X device can not update to windows phone 7 severies !
Hope some oone could tans 7 to 6.X.
I am waiting
If nothing could do to refresh i will think about android or other os.........
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I'm passing on the HD2 just beacuse of this reason I got my TP2 and when the HD2 came out I said I would just wait to see what WM7 is going to look like before I upgrade. I'm glad I waited. Guess you guys should have done the same. No one nows if porting to the HD2 will be possible yet so I wouldn't get too excited.
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Not really... I'm really annoyed that I, (probably) won't be able to get the new OS on my new 'phone, but let's not forget that the HD2 is still one kick-ass mobile, and I am still seriously impressed with it.
The only thing that annoys me is the amount of people who, on seeing my phone for the first time, say "Ooh, is that an iPhone"
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as a owner of an hd2 I would he dissapointed but I am really positive about this for simple reasons. i may be wrong about this but still ill say my opinion .
as a lot of ppl have seen on YouTube there is a video of someone from Adobe with hd2 with flash 10.1 and a (new kind of IE) which according to me is available on wp7s (according to MS a renewed browser with pinch to zoom )
BTW the home button of hd2 can somehow be reprogramed as the search button.
ok on YouTube you see the start menu but you don't see him opening the browser.
as i said I may be wrong but its my opinion.
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Really have no idea what you're talking about, mate.
what a fail...and right before tmo usa will launch their touch hd2...i wonder how this will impact sales. I know I won't switch fully to tmo because of this and unless there's a beta on xda developers very soon, I will not go to touch hd2. I will wait
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what a fail...and right before tmo usa will launch their touch hd2...i wonder how this will impact sales. I know I won't switch fully to tmo because of this and unless there's a beta on xda developers very soon, I will not go to touch hd2. I will wait
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I'm definitely waiting. I was thinking about upgrading to HD2 but I'll just stick with my Touch Pro2 til the holidays.
I've wanted the HD2 from the second I put my eyes on it. It's everything I wanted in a phone minus the slide out keyboard, but the screen size made me willing to bypass that. Then I saw Windows Phone 7 and realized I wanted it on my HD2. Not being able to have it on the HD2 is surely making me reevalutate my future purchase of the tmo HD2 which is released on 3/24.
I may not get the phone at all and I really find that to be a sad thing for myself, HTC, Microsoft and TMobile USA.
Not a huge disappointment. I love the HD2 the way it is. WM 6.5 with HTC Sense does a very nice job in everything I need and use the phone for.
What I don't need is a closed OS with a lot of eyecandy (well, one can argue about that) and xbox integration. Microsoft can state "everything what ppl care about directly at the homescreen" as often as they want. But what I actually care about is efficiency on how I can use the phone. And having big colored blocks on the screen for every possible program/contact/bookmark/pictures/appointment etc. is neither very efficient, nor very effective ...
So glad I didn't wait
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Not a huge disappointment. I love the HD2 the way it is. WM 6.5 with HTC Sense does a very nice job in everything I need and use the phone for.
What I don't need is a closed OS with a lot of eyecandy (well, one can argue about that) and xbox integration. Microsoft can state "everything what ppl care about directly at the homescreen" as often as they want. But what I actually care about is efficiency on how I can use the phone. And having big colored blocks on the screen for every possible program/contact/bookmark/pictures/appointment etc. is neither very efficient, nor very effective ...
So glad I didn't wait
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Well... I should have waited for a good Android phone instead of the HD2.
I'm not at all interested in the dumb iPhone copycat OS that WP7S is. Good UI, but other than that, they've just copied Apple's bad bad policies (out of envy, I think).
I'm not going to adjust myself to an OS that doesn't multitask, doesn't let me install the stuff I want because of Marketplace censorship, doesn't let me manage my files on my own etc.
With Android, like WM6.5, I can have an OS that simply does what I want it to do. I don't have to adjust myself. That's how it should be.
Thus, the only regret I have is that I've not waited for a good Android phone, because WM6.5 is doomed and now nobody will develop anymore for it, whereas the quantity AND quality of the applications on Android has now surpassed Windows Mobile, and the OS itself is almost there.
I'm not sorry either... I change my phones every year - as flashy and useful and nice as they are, they don't last as long as $50 Nokia dumbphones did.
I use my HD2 very heavily and, apart from increased tear, this toy is much more important to me than a regular phone. As such, it absolutely needs to be the best toy around.
Also, the earlier I sell my phones, the more money I'll get.
I love it and enjoy using it for the most part, but by the end of the year I'm sure there will be devices available that I'll want more, and the love affair with HD2 will be pretty much a thing of the past.
Finally, even though I like what I see as regards to WP7, I'm not at all sure it will have the essential apps I need or that it will live up to the promise in its v.1 incarnation.
Android... I can't force myself to like either the OS or the phones carrying it. Yeah, they have multitasking and all, but I'm not buying a principle, I'm buying a phone.
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Android... I can't force myself to like either the OS or the phones carrying it. Yeah, they have multitasking and all, but I'm not buying a principle, I'm buying a phone.
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So Android buyers buy a principle?! Nonsense... they buy Android phones. Simple as that.
And of course, they buy them because they prefer them to other phones.
And of course, Android's features are reasons to prefer Android phones to other phones - and multitasking, for example, is one of them.
I don't like Google, I don't like Java... but if Google's OS is the only one to suit my needs, then I buy a Google phone. Because I'm not buying a principle (i.e. not Google or not Java), I am buying a phone (i.e. the phone that does what I need it to do).
At the risk of being stoned to death before being shot and hanged while being burned at the stake:
Is anyone working on getting WM7 ported to the Evo?
I, for one, like the Evo for it's processor, front facing camera, powerful rear camera, 4G connectivity and giant screen.
I don't know android at all yet (and I have nothing against it at all) but I like to keep my options open.
Just to be 100% clear - I am not saying Windows Phone 7 is superior to Android, nor am I asking which one you think is superior or for your evaluations of either OS and their strengths and weaknesses.
That's what the HD2 is for.
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That's what the HD2 is for.
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How does the HD2 help you if you are a Sprint customer (as all Evo owners are)?
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How does the HD2 help you if you are a Sprint customer (as all Evo owners are)?
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That's what tmobile is for
Hell no. Wait for the Mondrian or the several other devices being released with WM7 by companies like HTC and Dell if you want a device like this running that OS. The Evo is an Android phone, and Windows Phone 7 isn't free, open sourced software. Phone manufacturers have to pay for each copy of the software they put on each device, so there's little to no chance of getting it on this phone.
Supposedly the new WP7 HTC phone will have a 1.3Ghz processor. Windows takes up too many resources and the UI is hideous. I can't believe people give it so much praise and we don't even have a working model. The ONLY good thing about WP7 is the xbox live part but we don't even know what that's going to be about. I personally think the UI is hideous.
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Supposedly the new WP7 HTC phone will have a 1.3Ghz processor. Windows takes up too many resources and the UI is hideous. I can't believe people give it so much praise and we don't even have a working model. The ONLY good thing about WP7 is the xbox live part but we don't even know what that's going to be about. I personally think the UI is hideous.
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I guess you're not a big fan of Scrabble, then?
In all seriousness though, it's a shame they're giving up functionality for aesthetic appeal. What's the point in rearranging artfully arranged sliding squares when I can simply set icons and widgets anywhere on one of my 49 customizable home screens?
It's hideous. Another turn off is that the text in the squares is cut off. I don't want to see CONTAC instead of contacts. I think it's going to fail.
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It's hideous. Another turn off is that the text in the squares is cut off. I don't want to see CONTAC instead of contacts. I think it's going to fail.
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I think this poll needs an additional "There's a D&D Android app?!" option.
I honestly like the way WM7 looks. The squares work very nicely together, and the way words run past the edges of the screen give it an artistic feel. Anyone familiar with the concepts of graphic design will appreciate the GUI.
The XBL add-on is the major reason I'm excited, I just think it'll be an awesome feature, however they implement it. I'm hoping it'll show which of your friends is online, what games they're playing, and access to your achievements. At the very least
As for being on this phone... it might be neat, but I'd rather get a device designed for WM7. Or flash the HD2.
I just saw the tags on this topic. Lawl.
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ROFL!!
WM7 is a giant step back in many ways with it's artsy fartsy ui. I'm not sure why they are going this route. It reminds me a little of the pre, all this focus on look zero time spent on function. It's like they are trying to further dumb down the iphone which any 5 year old can use and I'm not sure they are going to impress either crowd.
Xbox live sounds cool until i look at the form factors and realize these are not gaming devices. I may just pick up the rumored psp phone, especially if it runs android or another non totally retarded os simply because at least that is a mobile device I'd enjoy playing games on as it has the proper hardware.
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at the risk of being stoned to death before being shot and hanged while being burned at the stake:
is anyone working on getting wm7 ported to the evo?
i, for one, like the evo for it's processor, front facing camera, powerful rear camera, 4g connectivity and giant screen.
I don't know android at all yet (and i have nothing against it at all) but i like to keep my options open.
Just to be 100% clear - i am not saying windows phone 7 is superior to android, nor am i asking which one you think is superior or for your evaluations of either os and their strengths and weaknesses.
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no no no no
Aridon said:
WM7 is a giant step back in many ways with it's artsy fartsy ui. I'm not sure why they are going this route. It reminds me a little of the pre, all this focus on look zero time spent on function. It's like they are trying to further dumb down the iphone which any 5 year old can use and I'm not sure they are going to impress either crowd.
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I played a little with a UI theme designed around what's been seen so far, and (at least the theme) it worked pretty well. Contacts slid smoothly, Zune-like, into the screen displaying your contacts, complete with assigned pictures. Of course, it's only assumed that it'll use Zune-esque menus. Either way, I enjoyed the aesthetics and the touch-friendly interface. WM for years has been a highly touchy UI, so it's about time it's moved into a world that has less tolerance for styli. If it continues with something even close to the level of utility WM has now, I'll be a happy man. We'll see how it works on release, I don't really want to praise something I only kind of know about.
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Xbox live sounds cool until i look at the form factors and realize these are not gaming devices. I may just pick up the rumored psp phone, especially if it runs android or another non totally retarded os simply because at least that is a mobile device I'd enjoy playing games on as it has the proper hardware.
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I don't think they're meant to give you the gaming side of XBL, but rather the informational side. I know I like just looking through my friend's list and comparing their played games and achievements to mine, and that's probably all they'll have. I'm sure if mobile gaming kicks off they'll offer Marketplace games for Mobile, later down the road, for phones made with that in mind.
every word i have heard is that the hd2 is not going to be wm7, at any point in time. as i understand it, the hardware architecture is simply incompatible. likewise with any device produced thus far (except the kin, i think, and it's close relative). the best you would get on the hd2 is a type of look-alike port, but without the same functionality.
although, i'm not sure why one would take a perfectly good OS like android and put wm7 on it, other than maybe just to give it a whirl, lol. that being said, i suspect that the architecture on the evo will probably have the same limitation as the hd2.
WM 6.5.x was the pinnacle of WinMo... It had so much potential. WM7 killed it. now its just an webOS/iphone OS... it sucks. WinMo is dead to me. :'(
Of course I'd like to see a port. Now whether or not I will actually use it for anything more than showing off will depend on how good wp7 is and the port... but the more options the better imo
Wm7 on Evo
I have read that a guy found a way to launch either android or windows mobile 3.1 using dos box on an android phone. What about WM7 i don't know. I think on this forum people could accept that there are guys who like android OS and those who like WM7 OS. I personnally would love to have a HTC EVO 4G phone running both OS system . Having that 4G phone running WM7 would be nice for me because there are some ppc softwares that i don't find on android and that can be only run on a Windows mobile 7 phone!! I had the Nexus one and the HTC HD2 and i already sold them. I'd found really amazing to get an EVO 4G running WM7 'cause it would be an exploit and i sure i'm not the only one who want to see that. Plus the HTC EVO 4G will have 8 megapixells compare to the Mondrian and the HD2, the Winmax (4G) and seems much nicer!!! Let's sign a petition of who wish to see that or not and we shall see!!!!
There appear to be a number of folk here who feel that WP7 is a step backward from WM6.5 in terms of feature set, customisability, hackability etc. What then would people propose as an alternative once WM6.5 is finally dead and buried, Android? Iphone? Symbian/ Maemo? or will you give WP7 a chance?
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There appear to be a number of folk here who feel that WP7 is a step backward from WM6.5 in terms of feature set, customisability, hackability etc. What then would people propose as an alternative once WM6.5 is finally dead and buried, Android? Iphone? Symbian/ Maemo? or will you give WP7 a chance?
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So much fight here about it.....
Well I'm still not decided.
But I know I want to give WP7 a go.
Looks great and I would be happy to have clean, unified UI.
Limitations which are apparent on WP7 make it unusable at this point.
Android is the most complete but I just really don't like it's interface...
Probably staying with 6.5 for some time....
i personally cant be bothered to hack my my phone and look for custom ROM to flash. surely people only do this if they are not happy with their phone.if you dont like the OS. dont get it. its the reason why im not getting android, or an iphone. all phones have great features missing from them. and wp7 is only in its first phase improvement like copy and paste will come. ive only got 1 complaint, and that is that i cannot use it as a flash drive but then again, if i did that, would it slow down to a crawl??? wp7 is dead easy, i dont have time to muck around like i used to with wm6.5 on my touch diamond 2. i want it all, and i want it all now. so im sticking with wp7.
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i personally cant be bothered to hack my my phone and look for custom ROM to flash. surely people only do this if they are not happy with their phone.if you dont like the OS. dont get it. its the reason why im not getting android, or an iphone. all phones have great features missing from them. and wp7 is only in its first phase improvement like copy and paste will come. ive only got 1 complaint, and that is that i cannot use it as a flash drive but then again, if i did that, would it slow down to a crawl??? wp7 is dead easy, i dont have time to muck around like i used to with wm6.5 on my touch diamond 2. i want it all, and i want it all now. so im sticking with wp7.
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Same thoughts here. Was cooking my own 6.5roms to get a slim and working OS but sinceI got my HD7, I've stop cooking totally because WP7 is very fast and stable for me. Sure there are areas I'm not happy with, but at least, I have more time to live my life now since I stopped cooking roms.
I'm not here to convince anyone to go WP7, each OS has it's pros and cons, and each of us are completely different and see things and have different needs, so we go for different phones, something that works for us.
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Same thoughts here. Was cooking my own 6.5roms to get a slim and working OS but sinceI got my HD7, I've stop cooking totally because WP7 is very fast and stable for me. Sure there are areas I'm not happy with, but at least, I have more time to live my life now since I stopped cooking roms.
I'm not here to convince anyone to go WP7, each OS has it's pros and cons, and each of us are completely different and see things and have different needs, so we go for different phones, something that works for us.
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LOL , you just made a lot of people angry by stopping with cooking rom's .
I think I will stick with wm 6.5 for awhile. I use it as a Mass storage device & tether with it often. I also am really used to using smart dialing which I can't understand why it wasn't added to WP7. I'll wait to a few months after WP7 lands on Sprint to see what the updates have brought & what hackers have opened. If more functionality is available on WP7 I'll get it, if not I'll go with Android when I want to upgrade because of hardware
shouldn't this be in the winmo section???
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There appear to be a number of folk here who feel that WP7 is a step backward from WM6.5 in terms of feature set, customisability, hackability etc. What then would people propose as an alternative once WM6.5 is finally dead and buried, Android? Iphone? Symbian/ Maemo? or will you give WP7 a chance?
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I'm going to wait for the 2nd generation of WP7 phones and OS (or at least an OS update or two). I was ready to get a focus, then I realized I'd be losing some features I enjoy on my TP2 (multitasking, tethering, call manager) just to gain a newer OS.
I also want premium hardware and design which the first generation doesn't seem to offer. DVP comes close though.
i switched to android, never looked back
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I'm going to wait for the 2nd generation of WP7 phones and OS (or at least an OS update or two). I was ready to get a focus, then I realized I'd be losing some features I enjoy on my TP2 (multitasking, tethering, call manager) just to gain a newer OS.
I also want premium hardware and design which the first generation doesn't seem to offer. DVP comes close though.
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wait, you are using a plastic phone with a plastic resistive screen and are talking about premium hardware???
There should be another choice "I would celebrate with Dom Perignon!" Please put the 6.5 out of it's misery already!
One thing is sure for me, I will not be joinging the iPhone family.
Possibly Maemo or Androd. Depends what kiind of devices will be out by then.
W7 only if there has been lots of needed updates and/or hacks/roms and such.
Any poll in a specific device forum will always have support for that device.
Poll threads should be in common forum to get a neutral response from ALL, IF the thread starter wants to know EVERYONE's opinion.
Just my 2C
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shouldn't this be in the winmo section???
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Life after WM6.5 to which he refers is precisely WP7. then the correct section!
A little off-topic, but correct!
I found that I was having to flash new ROMs etc to my 6.5 because the UI and features available to a standard WinMo was rubbish. I never liked the 6.5 OS much, I just liked the ability to customise and look deeper into the phone
I am now on WP7 and would never look back on 6.5.
At the moment I don't see I have much choice - Android here I come I think.
The gains in slick simple UI are insufficient in my case to outweigh the loss of functionality vs 6.5.
Many of the other advantages (gaming for example) are of no interest to me on my phone (I am not the target market).
I will stick with 6.5 until at least Phone Alarm is released for Android, then it will become viable for me. Hopefully this will be early 2011.
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wait, you are using a plastic phone with a plastic resistive screen and are talking about premium hardware???
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:lol: My premium phone standards were set by my SE X1, not the TP2. I would really love to see a WP7 version of the X1. Hopefully the X7 will deliver. But knowing SE, it won't be released until next November.
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:lol: My premium phone standards were set by my SE X1, not the TP2. I would really love to see a WP7 version of the X1. Hopefully the X7 will deliver. But knowing SE, it won't be released until next November.
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Ditto. X1 was excellent.
Currently on X2 which is actually better in many regards.
Anyway, I just hope SE will make it around Feb/March.
So it will catch upgrades which are for me necessary.
And until core apps I use on WM 6.5 will be functional/supported
I can just wait for some time....
I find it hard to believe anyone speaks of the death of WinMo in the present tense. It died for me like 2 1/2 years ago and since then the iPhone has taken over the smartphone market, Android has taken over the spot WM6.5 used to occupy and Microsoft has done practically nothing until very recently. I bought a Focus and I like it, it's a magnitude nicer and easier to use than my old Fuze with WM6.5 and while it's lacking a lot of the functionality, that will come with time and, in the meantime, I don't need to take out my reading glasses and itty bitty cramp inducing stylus to use it. The Fuze is still sitting on my desk, unused, with a noticable layer of dust on it. And there it will sit until I finally tire of looking at it and throw it away. And good riddance!
I cannot speak for anyone but for me, I have been windows mobile user ever since palm treo with windows on it. Before making switch to WP7, my device was Tilt2 and I tweaked the crap out of it putting custom roms and radio to fit my taste. Although having the capability was great but my user experience was not all that great. Something was always wrong and the hardware and software wasn't working correctly, so I was constantly tweaking and tell you the truth I got tired.
I was ready to jump ship to Android with Samsung Captivate but as soon as the WP7 was arriving I decided to wait. Boy I am glad that I did, I am happy with my samsung focus. Although it's missing some functions now but I am sure it's on it's way, the stability and the fact that it just works and I do not have to tweak anything makes my life a lot easier. Could not be more happy with OS. At least so far.
My wife has iphone and looked at android and both are not really appealing to me. Android is not all that great even if with all the customization and tweaking.
There are ratios everywhere you look. When it came to smartphones and computing in general, I favoured the emphasis of after-market modification in relation to perceived value and availability. This is why I loved Windows, why I'm still hanging on to posting on a limited spread of subforums, when I'm a member of a forum that caters to everything but the kitchen sink.
The irony is that although I have, and only have, a Windows device, the ratio of after-market offerings that offer better control and availability in relation to the value added from the possession of the device is low, lower than it's ever been.
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There are ratios everywhere you look. When it came to smartphones and computing in general, I favoured the emphasis of after-market modification in relation to perceived value and availability. This is why I loved Windows, why I'm still hanging on to posting on a limited spread of subforums, when I'm a member of a forum that caters to everything but the kitchen sink.
The irony is that although I have, and only have, a Windows device, the ratio of after-market offerings that offer better control and availability in relation to the value added from the possession of the device is low, lower than it's ever been.
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I agree that WM was killed off long before its sell by date, but what you have missed is very important.
WP works, and it works very very well with the things it does, and to be honest for 90% of users that's all they want.
WMs success was also its Achilles heel, its openness let OEMs and Networks have free reign over the OS, they screwed it sideways and inside out and MS took all the blame, by the time good hardware came out, the HD2, too much damage to WM had been done, it would never have been successful at that point.
people condemn WP, but when you look at what they condemn it for its because its NOT like other platforms, not because it isn't any good its self and there is the reason for WP slow uptake, MS is crap when it comes to marketing, has been and always will be ( although the surface advert is very cool!)
I didn't miss the fact that it works, I'm replying to you from the same WP in question. The irony is that the main reason I liked it isn't the reason I remain loving it. Your OEM argument raises the ultimate failure of WM, despite all the rants in the many WP vs Android /iPhone that littered the scene. The final value-add linkages in the OEM/Retail to end user were inconsistent with the other supply chain customer protocols,basically allowing those who weren't accountable for the quality,to control it. Those fools shoulda had their own store from the beginning (to control the OEM-end user outcome)...A fact that raises more ironies: The success of the younger OS's was achieved from studying Microsoft's logistics management.
Kinda wrong, there wasn't much skinning of WM. We only had like 3 years of OEM skins, HTC started with HTC home. We had third party start replacements, but the device specs were do low it would ruined the experience.
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Those fools shoulda had their own store from the beginning (to control the OEM-end user outcome)...A fact that raises more ironies: The success of the younger OS's was achieved from studying Microsoft's logistics management.
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absolutely
vetvito said:
Kinda wrong, there wasn't much skinning of WM. We only had like 3 years of OEM skins, HTC started with HTC home. We had third party start replacements, but the device specs were do low it would ruined the experience.
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I guess the work that SPB did on re skinning WM from the pocketPC days 2003 an possibly earlier was a lot of nonsense then?
and it worked fine, the hardware was more than capable, it wasn't until the development of skinning hit the HTC TouchFlo mark, I think it was around 2007 mark that it was developed, that it started to slow down too much, this was absolutely nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with OEMs and chipset manufactures not supplying drivers for the built in GPUs
Therefore we are not wrong, WM was screwed by others an yet they always took the blame.
Spb wasn't huge or a resource hog in 2003. It was basically a today plugin.
There was two other programs we used to theme our phones like xp and vista, they were today replacements. They ate up RAM though. Like SPB OEMs weren't installing these by default. You had to seek those cab files out.
HTC came with HTC home and the cube and touchflo right after the iPhone, and right before 6.1 or was it 6.1?
That's when OEMs really started with the skins.
The phones were slow as hell back then
WM screwed by others? Joke of the day? HTC skins were welcomed back then because WM was outdated and ugly back then. WM 6 was just a themed up WM 5. Host of other problems that wasn't caused by the "others".
Just for references
http://m.cnet.com/reviews/t-mobile-htc-wing/32452858
Top of the line still slow
http://m.cnet.com/reviews/htc-touch-unlocked/32465595
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True, I even went so far as contacting HTC the first week after I bought my Trophy, asking what they had lined up for skinning. I also signed the online petition about drivers during the HTC Kaiser days. "Four legs good, two legs better!" (Taken from George Orwell's Animal Farm)
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Spb wasn't huge or a resource hog in 2003. It was basically a today plugin.
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No one said it was
vetvito said:
There was two other programs we used to theme our phones like xp and vista, they were today replacements. They ate up RAM though. Like SPB OEMs weren't installing these by default. You had to seek those cab files out.
HTC came with HTC home and the cube and touchflo right after the iPhone, and right before 6.1 or was it 6.1?
That's when OEMs really started with the skins.
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oh So because it wasn't the SAME as androids sense (copied from WM and a "today" plugin as well) or iOS it doesn't count...
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The phones were slow as hell back then
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because the GPUs were never used because the OEMs and chipset makers (im looking at you QC!) didn't want to pay up for or release the drivers, take a look at the blackstone and much more relevant the Leo, once drivers were obtained it flew like poo off a shovel
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WM screwed by others? Joke of the day? HTC skins were welcomed back then because WM was outdated and ugly back then. WM 6 was just a themed up WM 5. Host of other problems that wasn't caused by the "others".
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taking the UI out of the equation and bare in mind that back that there wasn't anything better, the OS was as solid as a rock, which is why its still used to this very day, it only became slow and unstable when the OEMs couldn't be bothered to sort out their mess or much more importantly the carriers loaded it up with so much crap that it didn't work, you have to remember that it was up to the OEMs and carriers to deal with the OS AS THEY SAW FIT, MS just gave them the core and access to updates. If the OS was so crap, how was it that the original developers on here were able to rip out the OEM/carrier stuff, combine bits and bobs from other ROMs and make devices run even better?
vetvito said:
Just for references
http://m.cnet.com/reviews/t-mobile-htc-wing/32452858
Top of the line still slow
http://m.cnet.com/reviews/htc-touch-unlocked/32465595
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you quote two reviews that are meaningless, that is a product of a OEM and carrier and no one is arguing that they were not slow. but they were slow because of what the OEMs didn't do and what the carriers did do.
Open a browser and read my full signature. Check my old roms out.
The OS was solid but still ran like crap. No way around that.
The diamond, then Leo was great. However when the Leo showed up it was too late.
We waited years for WM7.
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vetvito said:
Open a browser and read my full signature. Check my old roms out.
The OS was solid but still ran like crap. No way around that.
The diamond, then Leo was great. However when the Leo showed up it was too late.
We waited years for WM7.
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I'm one of those few die-hards who uses WM as my daily driver. You and dazza9075 make some compelling arguments but I must say that WM was doomed by the carriers. The Leo was/is a spectacular device and is probably the best WM phone ever released, but there was one other phone that was lightning quick and that was the LG Fathom. It had the lightest OEM ROM I've ever come across and a 1gig Snapdragon CPU. For being a resistive screen, it is very responsive. The problem is that it came out too late and WM's fate had already been sealed. Nonetheless, it showed what a WM6.5.3 device could do. Those who hated Titanium because you had to scroll up and down are the same people who probably hate Metro. As the late Ricky Nelson crooned "can't please everyone so you gotta please yourself". That's how skinning came to be.
vetvito said:
Open a browser and read my full signature. Check my old roms out.
The OS was solid but still ran like crap. No way around that.
The diamond, then Leo was great. However when the Leo showed up it was too late.
We waited years for WM7.
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ive been on this site from the moment it opened tho I lost my old account, but I can tell you that it used to run just fine, I still have a Himalaya and a Alpine, my wallaby got wrecked, but the Alpine is an exceptional device, doomed from the start and it never got WM5 but 2003 runs fantastic on it, it only slows down on graphically intensive tasks because of the lack of GPU drivers. the Himalaya got WM5 and ran slightly slower than the Alpine but it was very functional unless you used graphically intensive programs.
Then I personally had the HTC Artemis which on all accounts was a pile of ****e with its crap OMAP CPU, dodgy tracker ball an heavy as a brick weight, its bigger brother the Polaris however suffered like most good HTC devices and was slow but only because the GPU was never used, from that moment on, all HTC devices I had, were good once your ripped out the crap and tweaked it, but all suffered from driver issues until WM dying days.
Why the driver issues? well HTC couldn't be bothered to pay for them and QC never gave them out, I think probably because people would realise like they have done today that actually, most devices run great and the limiting factor is actually the user, not the phone so why would they bother updating! (there is some obvious exceptions to this, especially on Android where the overriding reason to make a device was to hit a cheap price point and to hell with user experience meaning we have devices barely more capable then that of a calculator)
I started with the ppc6600, then 6700, 6800, and so on.
Stripped to the core they ran fine to us. They were perfect for Ballmer too, until we all witness the performance of the og iPhone.
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Again, your looking at a custom made device with all the bells working, we never had all the bells working because no one would pay QC and co for the drivers, but yes your right that what apple did, make a custom made device built around a specific set of criteria controlled by them, created an all around pleasing device, which isn't far off what MS has done now with WP, and android has almost followed MS WM model Sooo...
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As I stated before, WM ran on some pretty slow CPU's for the most part. A 628 mHz device was considered blazing fast. Consider this, the Treo Pro, regarded as the best of the keyboard bunch, ran on a 416 meg processor. No wonder the HD2 is so highly regarded. I'm usually the first to say that specs don't matter if the OS works properly. But in WM's case, it matters. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****.
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As I stated before, WM ran on some pretty slow CPU's for the most part. A 628 mHz device was considered blazing fast. Consider this, the Treo Pro, regarded as the best of the keyboard bunch, ran on a 416 meg processor. No wonder the HD2 is so highly regarded. I'm usually the first to say that specs don't matter if the OS works properly. But in WM's case, it matters. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken ****.
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I still have my Blackjack II with its 624 MHz goodness. For the time it was boss, but with its untouched WM6.5 by today standards it's sluggish like hell and a real nightmare to use. The HD2 with the same software runs relatively nice tho, slap a skin on it and it could be a Gingerbread phone or something...
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I still have my Blackjack II with its 624 MHz goodness. For the time it was boss, but with its untouched WM6.5 by today standards it's sluggish like hell and a real nightmare to use. The HD2 with the same software runs relatively nice tho, slap a skin on it and it could be a Gingerbread phone or something...
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The BJII is 6.5 Standard while the HD2 is 6.5 Professional. Non-touchscreens were not very user-friendly because of the endless sub-menus that you had to scroll through. Great phone though. The fact you still use it is a testament to WM's awesomeness. I wonder how many of today's current phones will still be in use 6 or 7 years from now?
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The BJII is 6.5 Standard while the HD2 is 6.5 Professional. Non-touchscreens were not very user-friendly because of the endless sub-menus that you had to scroll through. Great phone though. The fact you still use it is a testament to WM's awesomeness. I wonder how many of today's current phones will still be in use 6 or 7 years from now?
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Well I don't really use it anymore but from time to time I turn it on just for fun, so many memories...I still have my Htc Cruise as well, the touchscreen stopped working actually, but I can still move around a bit with the good old wheel. These phones have been a part of my life, I'll never get rid of them
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The BJII is 6.5 Standard while the HD2 is 6.5 Professional. Non-touchscreens were not very user-friendly because of the endless sub-menus that you had to scroll through. Great phone though. The fact you still use it is a testament to WM's awesomeness. I wonder how many of today's current phones will still be in use 6 or 7 years from now?
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My LEO would have been had it not fallen to bits! but I believe your right, they don't make them like they used to, I do however still use my blackstone actively, capacitive screens are good for many things but crap for others an thus the blackstone is my device of choice if im outside in the rain plotting nav points in memory map.
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My LEO would have been had it not fallen to bits! but I believe your right, they don't make them like they used to, I do however still use my blackstone actively, capacitive screens are good for many things but crap for others an thus the blackstone is my device of choice if im outside in the rain plotting nav points in memory map.
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You know what I don't get? This new-found love affair with inking abilities. The Galaxy Note is marketed as the second coming because you can scribble notes with, get this, a STYLUS! Whew! Gotta get up pretty early in the morning to outfox them Koreans.
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You know what I don't get? This new-found love affair with inking abilities. The Galaxy Note is marketed as the second coming because you can scribble notes with, get this, a STYLUS! Whew! Gotta get up pretty early in the morning to outfox them Koreans.
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Lol...well it's no big deal but actually back in the day the stylus was needed in order to fiddle with the tiny thingies of the UI, now it's more like a gimmick, writing down notes with a stylus when you can type on huge on screen buttons doesn't make much sense to me...
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