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Windows Mobile 7 Details Released

http://microsoft.blognewschannel.com/archives/2008/01/06/exclusive-windows-mobile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
Here are the details of the new Windows Mobile 7 due to be released on Devices in 2009.
Seems that some of the new technology may require new hardware, but we will see if it's compatible with the Hermes.

Awesome !!!

Maybe a little too awesome. Something like this is just fine for tweakers like us, but something tells me that having to remember what all these different shakes and gestures mean is going to baffle everyday users.
That being said though, the scrollbars, pan arrows and zoom boxes are genuis.

sacwoo said:
Seems that some of the new technology may require new hardware, but we will see if it's compatible with the Hermes.
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I have a lot of faiths to the genius developers here in this forum. Having said that, I think I would probably have replaced my Hermes by then.

i would love to have this on my Phone!!! i will tell my brother to shuv his iPhone up his Asssssss

It's really nice locking windows but I think it's not gonna be compatible with Hermes

ViktorX said:
It's really nice locking windows but I think it's not gonna be compatible with Hermes
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Why? Or just a feeling?

I can see this, people walking around and all of a sudden, you see someone just shake their phone. The looks you would get from non tech savvy people.

PaY87 said:
Why? Or just a feeling?
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Just a feeling I think that Hermes don't have enough RAM and ROM for this windows and processor may be to slow (or not)!

at least any wm6.1 around? Just waiting to see next wm6.1 on my hermes, WM7 is still far away ...

This is something that should be launched by Xmas 08 as 6.1 or 6.5. If Samsung can release a bespoke touch phone interface by this Xmas 07 (F700) - what the hell have M$ been playing at?
Sitting on the dubious laurels of WM spring to mind. The fact is that companies like Samsung (i600) and HTC (their touch software/hardware) have done about a million times more to keep WM usable than MS have done.
Remember 09 they will likely be competing with a 2nd or 3rd generation 3G iphone, probably App Unlocked in some ways, and probably Me-Too phones from all the Major phone makers.
Too little too late is my thought.
Another thought does this blog have a legit history of predictions?

yes
hope to have something before 2009
http://www.zooomr.com/photos/[email protected]/

n900 vs Touch Pro 2

N900 seems superior to the TP2 in every way except the keyboard, is anyone else thinking about getting an n900? 5 megapixel camera with dual led flash, decent keyboard, fast processor, great multimedia capabilities, upnp, 32gb built in with sd expansion... what does the touch pro 2 have over it?

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... what does the touch pro 2 have over it?
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The N900 seems like a nice phone, but I prefer the stylus, hand writing recognition, windows mobile, and XDA support that the TP2 has to offer.

I got a TP2, waiting to get N900 when it's release. Do what I do, then you wont have to decide between 2 phones lol.

Agree with sakshaug007
Strange...
Coming to an HTC specialized forum like XDA to say that n900 is better?
Don't really think so...it has symbian on it...
TP2 with WM is just great!

orb3000 said:
Agree with sakshaug007
Strange...
Coming to an HTC specialized forum like XDA to say that n900 is better?
Don't really think so...it has symbian on it...
TP2 with WM is just great!
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no symbian... maemo... and my father has a TP2 which I've been customizing for him and playing with and I agree it's an awesome phone. I wouldn't mind having either one, but the N900 clearly has superior hardware except for keyboard

ok maemo whatever, is not WM...
And hardware keyboard is more than enough to go for it!

Sorry, I got to say that these "this versus that" topics are useless. Don't let a couple of forum users sway your opinion. There are numerous text/video reviews of the TP2. And when the N900 releases, it will receive the same treatment from reviewers. Make your own decision based on your needs and preferences.
And forget specs. Just check out that monstrosity that Toshiba made (TG01).

For me TP2 is a better choice than Nokia. The large touchscreen, qwerty keyboard. And I got diamond 2. I like it very much. So if I have to choose one, I'd get HTC. I even don't know how to change message tones on n900.
The deciding fact is people themselves not the phones.

I will definitely get the N900 once it's released in the US and after the initial price drop. The TP2 will be my back up phone.
Maemo (true Linux OS) + faster processor (OMAP3) + more RAM (256MB & 768MB virtual) + more space (32GB) + better camera

i prefer tp2
tp2 is my choice

I had a N800, and I think the major problems with it were lack of developers and the high price tag for the N810. Maybe the N900 will spur new Maemo growth with subsidized prices, but the MSRP needs to go down a lot. It's fun to be able to run Debian on a mobile device, just not all that useful at the end of the day (for me, at least).
Other than that, I think we can all agree that the TP2 needs a better camera and flash.

True, the TP2 is lacking, but the N900 won't have 3G in the States, I believe, not that there's a lot out available anyways...

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True, the TP2 is lacking, but the N900 won't have 3G in the States, I believe, not that there's a lot out available anyways...
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It has T-mobile 3g bands

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It has T-mobile 3g bands
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Yeap and it's just perfect for me

I think both are great "phones", so everyone needs to decide for themselves. That having siad: it has been stated on a website (fprgot the URTL) that the N900 only has landscape view and no portrait. If that is true, then the N900 is not a real replacement/competito to the TP2

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I think both are great "phones", so everyone needs to decide for themselves. That having siad: it has been stated on a website (fprgot the URTL) that the N900 only has landscape view and no portrait. If that is true, then the N900 is not a real replacement/competito to the TP2
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I haven't heard that, but even the N800/N810 could do rotation through a switching app (through a kernel hack). And I thought the N900 was supposed to have an accelerometer. It worked quite well on the N8x even without one...

I think a lot of features for the n900 are forthcoming, they just wanted to release it asap... as far as rotation they said that devs are free to include it into their apps, weather it is integrated on the ui level remains to be seen.
Two things concern me though, the lack of buttons which the tp2 has, and the lack of XDA support... I don't know how talented the maemo developers are but I don't imagine they are as good as some of the guys here... time will tell

the standard view of the N900 is landscape, so you need (extra) software to rotate it to portrait, which is IMHO cumbersome.
For the rest I agree with RTbar

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ok maemo whatever, is not WM...
And hardware keyboard is more than enough to go for it!
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orb3000 said:
Agree with sakshaug007
Strange...
Coming to an HTC specialized forum like XDA to say that n900 is better?
Don't really think so...it has symbian on it...
TP2 with WM is just great!
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You are assuming that everyone is as much a wm fanboy as yourself. We get that your pro wm but to say that he cant come into an htc forum and tell hem what he can and cant say....Thats just being thick and limited on your part. What do you think of Android on HTC phones!? Go to the Hero section and say that too then.
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Sorry, I got to say that these "this versus that" topics are useless. Don't let a couple of forum users sway your opinion. There are numerous text/video reviews of the TP2. And when the N900 releases, it will receive the same treatment from reviewers. Make your own decision based on your needs and preferences.
And forget specs. Just check out that monstrosity that Toshiba made (TG01).
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Why would these topics be useless. He is a asking a legitamate question. He is torn between phones and asking knowledgeable community what they think. Many others may be on the fence about which phone to get.
Also I see that when asked about specs on the tp2 (which are ****) the common tp2 enthusiasts defensive is to compare a device loaded with specs but **** on gui like the TG01. Come on, like that is the only device that is has better specs as yet. Check out the B7610 omnia pro.

@ ORB Stop being so limited, Its competition. You want other phones to be better to increase competition, hence HTC will keep pumping out phones that are better and better. IE nvidia v. ATI. SEE QUOTE not directed at PILOT
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A, orb3000, we all know this is a htc forum, but we still like to be kept abreast of the latest technology, we want people like newforce to post this type of news as it gives us an idea of what hardware other manufacterers are putting in the devices
so when u write "Not of much interest here as we dedicate to HTC devices only", this just isnt true as we want this type of info to keep us clued in.
just because this is a htc devices forum doesnt mean we dont want people to contirbute news on other hardware.
B, NewForce, this is and always has been a htc device thread and its not changing anytime soon
but like i said above posts can be made on other hardware models unless its a post asking for a forum
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windows phone 7 for tp2?

i was just wondering if there is a way to cook a ROM for the sprint touch pro.
thank you

It's way to early to ask, so the answer for now would be a "no".

Wow another TP2 WP7 question ? OMG this is only the 500th...or should I say 10,000th.....

I have a Touch Pro2 and I can say I have no reason to believe WP7 will ever be one my device. Why would you want it to? Buy a new phone when it comes out.

Kloc said:
I have a Touch Pro2 and I can say I have no reason to believe WP7 will ever be one my device. Why would you want it to? Buy a new phone when it comes out.
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to save money lol

Kloc said:
I have a Touch Pro2 and I can say I have no reason to believe WP7 will ever be one my device. Why would you want it to? Buy a new phone when it comes out.
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And because modding phones is fun, thats 99% of the reason I visit this forum. I hope WP7 gets cooked up for a few older devices.

d2r4 said:
And because modding phones is fun, thats 99% of the reason I visit this forum. I hope WP7 gets cooked up for a few older devices.
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Sure but the Touch Pro2 is only running at 528mhz meaning it only has half the minimum processor speed for WP7 so it probably won't run very well even if it were possible. I'd much rather have it on a device running a snapdragon.

I'd be OK with slow as long as it's stable.
Only if the main menu, and Zune integration is there, it's more than enough. I don't need the games, or the eyecandy.

Almost no chance. Unless you find a build of WP7 floating around that's compiled in ARMv6 or less or somehow convince your TP2 to learn a new instruction set.

You can get a Win 7 Phone theme from XDA to mimic the UI. Thats all.

New HTC Windows 7 handset

Does anyone have any news of a new handset from HTC to replace the TP2?
Now that Windows 7 is released I would be expecting HTC to release an updated top-of-the-range business handset to replace the TP2. I've had a TP2 since it came out (and every model prior to that), but it's a bit tired now (not to mention scratched to buggery!). Surely there must be a new flag-ship handset on its way?
I comtacted HTC who in their usual helpful way said "I can help with that question" and then proceded to not help me in the slightest! Their stock answer is we'll tell you when (or if) we feel like it! Obviously, this really encourages me to stay with HTC! These forums tend to be far more informed than anyone else and so maybe someone here has some news, rumours etc?

timfoster said:
Their stock answer is we'll tell you when (or if) we feel like it! Obviously, this really encourages me to stay with HTC!
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Oh come on, all companies don't disclose such information prior to official announcements.

I wouldn't expect minute details of their latest project, but since everyone knows they will be launching a Windows 7 handset, I wouldn't have though it beyond the realms of possibility for them to say we're looking for a Q4 2011 release". Every other company does this, and it not exactly a secret that a handset manufacturer will launch a new handset sometime soon!

And why would you ask something that you obviously already know?

I don't already know. If I did, I wouldn't have been asking. If they aren't going to be releasing one for another year, I'll look at buying an xperia. If they are, I'll hang on.

There are lots of rumors; according to them, they will release maybe not one but several handsets. Officially they are announced as launch partners by Microsoft. There are no official statements from HTC that their support staff can distribute though, so I don't see why you prefer to bug them instead of googling, it'd bring you better results with much less effort.

Before he left, Conflipper disclosed a bunch of previously unknown WP7 and Android HTC devices. That's on top of the Mozart, Mondrian, Spark, Gold, and Schubert that are already rumored.

You got a link?

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You got a link?
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Here
http://wmpoweruser.com/renowned-modder-conflippers-parting-treats/

I read that the HTC Gold_W will come to Sprint with WP7. The _W might be World Phone speculation. No word on CPU but I would prefer a Tegra or Tegra 2 CPU dual core CPU. World phone would be nice. I just hope HTC does not screw up the camera or video recording as usual.

One thing that gets me is the wait till the Holiday season.. I mean common, release at least early/mid November at the latest since I do not want to be waiting in line for a device while I need to get Christmas Shopping done.
(Seriously thinking of Pre-ordering/Waiting in line (if their is one) for the first Sprint based device) I really want to get my hands on one early to see the OS grow, Market it to friends, family, iUsers, and hopefully work my way into a Marketing Position for Microsoft's Mobile Marketing or HTC's Marketing Devision. Both of them really need to push Windows Phone better than any past device thus far.

^ You won't see a CDMA device until sometime next year.

vetvito said:
^ You won't see a CDMA device until sometime next year.
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And you're basing that on......

vetvito said:
^ You won't see a CDMA device until sometime next year.
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And you're basing that on......
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yes plz provide info on this Im on a cdma carrier & im waiting for this, I mite have to switch to T-mobile if this is true

No way I am switching from Sprint. I am Pretty darn sure that every carrier is onboard to provide a relase day device (and HTC has the devices for them). No ATT only crap even if they are a "Premiere Partner"

I'm not sure I'm sticking w/ HTC - I want to see what all the devices are and I don't have enough info at this time. I'd like something with a 1.3 or 1.5 GHz dual core, and a nice keyboard is a MAJOR bonus for me... so, we'll see which device has what specs, then I'll decide

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I'm not sure I'm sticking w/ HTC - I want to see what all the devices are and I don't have enough info at this time. I'd like something with a 1.3 or 1.5 GHz dual core, and a nice keyboard is a MAJOR bonus for me... so, we'll see which device has what specs, then I'll decide
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Correct me if I'm wrong (cuz I'm not 100% knowledgable on "dual-core") , but you want a device that runs at 3 ghz?! No one is going to be able to provide that for you at least until Q4 of 2011. Motorola is showing off with their 2 ghz phone in Q4 2010 but 3 Gigs is just impossible...

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Correct me if I'm wrong (cuz I'm not 100% knowledgable on "dual-core") , but you want a device that runs at 3 ghz?! No one is going to be able to provide that for you at least until Q4 of 2011. Motorola is showing off with their 2 ghz phone in Q4 2010 but 3 Gigs is just impossible...
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They've been rumored for a few months, but this is the article I read today that helped me understand the hardware a bit better (and made me think I'll hold out just a touch, if what I'm looking for isn't ready when WP7 goes live).
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Sna...bile-CPU-war-beyond-1GHz-article-a_12546.html
If you just google 1.5 GHz Snapdragon and you'll get a ton of rumors etc.

^ You won't see a CDMA device until sometime next year.
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And you're basing that on......
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My bad, I read wrong.
http://www.cellphoneinn.com/2010/07/26/htc-wp7-phone-leaked-hp-show-no-interest-in-wp7/

eknutson said:
They've been rumored for a few months, but this is the article I read today that helped me understand the hardware a bit better (and made me think I'll hold out just a touch, if what I'm looking for isn't ready when WP7 goes live).
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Sna...bile-CPU-war-beyond-1GHz-article-a_12546.html
If you just google 1.5 GHz Snapdragon and you'll get a ton of rumors etc.
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WOW, I didn't expect that coming... Imagine an HTC Touch Pro 3 with that dual-core, but I'm still surprised at how Samsung's Hummingbird is performing twice as good as the dual-core when it comes to 2D...

[Mod post] Yes you guys can stop clammoring for android now. . .Look at this :)

Here it is. . .
http://youtu.be/NFoQNo237kI
I leave it at that.
Device is the HD7*.

Very Nice!

Yey! Best news ever.

This is silly. Why would you run Android on HD7? Why not run WP7 on EVO 4G instead?It makes more sense (no pun intended) as the hardware can make Android less laggy and you get the faster processor you always wanted in a WP7 device.

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Sad to see an HD7 running that crap. However, now that this has been done I am hopeful that maybe we will be able to run WM6.5.3 on the HD7! =D that would be bliss...
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Why wouldn't you just use a HTC HD2?
Casey

Just another HD2... not interested...
BTW, I think it's a HD7 not S. There is T-Mobile sign on it.

It doesn't matter why you would run it, it just matters that you could, that could possibly open many doors of other mobile OS's . Does the HD7 have 1st gen Snapdragon HW or 2nd gen?

want... I do miss some the the android features.

I want it. WP7 is good, but to have both. Fricken sweet.

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It doesn't matter why you would run it, it just matters that you could, that could possibly open many doors of other mobile OS's . Does the HD7 have 1st gen Snapdragon HW or 2nd gen?
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My point exactly. WM6.5.3 on HD7 might not be far...oh and HD7 has 1st gen Snapdragon.

eternalemb said:
Sad to see an HD7 running that crap. However, now that this has been done I am hopeful that maybe we will be able to run WM6.5.3 on the HD7! =D that would be bliss...
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Sad to read such opinionated crap. I tried wp7 but I personally prefer android. You will have to agree that any choice of OS is good though?
PS sent from my hd2 running android ;-)

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It doesn't matter why you would run it, it just matters that you could, that could possibly open many doors of other mobile OS's . Does the HD7 have 1st gen Snapdragon HW or 2nd gen?
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2nd gen that is multicore but locked from the menufactorer,there is nothing we can do about it! :"(

This is good for all WP7 devices surely - giving people options to choose which OS they would like to run regardless of what brand they bought is a good thing. I bought my HD2 second off ebay, best decision ever. I would really like to try the WP7 software but I'm not keen of the windows live contact integration. Anyway if the video is to actually be believed then this is only good news for owners as long as the devs get the info and can make use of it, doubt it will take too long. :]
PS - does WP7 support .xml contact importing? (I know slightly off topic)

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Why wouldn't you just use a HTC HD2?
Casey
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Because no one is charging $800 for an HD7 atm, unlike the HD2.

airwa1kin7 said:
Because no one is charging $800 for an HD7 atm, unlike the HD2.
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I got my HD2 a month ago off craigslist for $200 just to dual boot WP7 and Gingerbread and I don't even have T Mobile. Wifi only. Best phone purchase I ever made. I can do everything I need(calls using Fring and texts using Google Voice) There is like no logical reason to get a new HD7 to get something that was available 2 years ago. No offense intended. Refurbished HD2's from T Mobile cost $29 bucks with the upgrade eligibility. If you want wm 6.5.3, don't wait for something to happen by the next person's hands. Port it yourself because you are one in a million that want that.

thank you for this very interesting post.
it would be great to run android on a hd7.
to your signature:
I completely agree with you, the hd2 is a awesome device and it is still my number one ;-)

awesome i love it

To good to be true..!!!
But after having Android & WP7 on the HD2, I say anythin's possible..!!!

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Running WM6.5.3 on the HD7 is THE biggest crap. First they made hd2 waste oh hardware then hd7 even worst.
T-Mobile really needs some powerful HTC phone running android WITH 4.3" screen.
I ve been waiting for somebody (DFT) to port MAGLDR and run android on it.
BUT since ENGADGET havent said a word about that i dont totally believe it. But they havent said its KIRF so lets hope its true.

Since you haven't been following up on anything, HTC has announced the HTC Sensation AKA the Pyramid, and it will be going ton T-Mobile soon. All 2nd gen HW, with a 4.3" screen that sports qHD resolution.