I'm currently using a TP2 and I don't have enough RAM. Part of the reason and I know it's my fault is the customization of the phone with different toys and apps. This is my fault not the phone. So far the phone is working flawlessly.
What I have is over a gig and a half of a 2 gig memory card in my phone completely free. What I would like to do is use the spare memory as RAM, allowing the phone all the necessary space it needs.
If I keep going on this thought, would rebuilding the OS with the sd card as the primary install location work as well. This would give us gigs of space to install and gigs or RAM to work with esp if you have a 6 or 8 gig sd card.
Any thoughts?
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I'm currently using a TP2 and I don't have enough RAM. Part of the reason and I know it's my fault is the customization of the phone with different toys and apps. This is my fault not the phone. So far the phone is working flawlessly.
What I have is over a gig and a half of a 2 gig memory card in my phone completely free. What I would like to do is use the spare memory as RAM, allowing the phone all the necessary space it needs.
If I keep going on this thought, would rebuilding the OS with the sd card as the primary install location work as well. This would give us gigs of space to install and gigs or RAM to work with esp if you have a 6 or 8 gig sd card.
Any thoughts?
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You can't (as the end-user) use a storage card as Virtual RAM.
However, I believe that WinMo 6.5 does allow for virtual RAM to be used through the internal storage, but that will require you cooking the ROM yourself, etc. I've never messed around with that though, since the device I cooked for didn't have a native nk.exe. The TP2 does, however, so you can experiment away.
And remember, RAM = Program Memory, the space where currently running programs temporarily store their information for quick read access (Random Access Module).
Don't confuse it with Storage Space, which is where data is permanently stored. I think you understand the difference.
Thank you for the benefit of the doubt lol. Yes I do understand the difference thats why i was thinking if the SD memory could in essence be used to build the OS, because it is no different that the ROM in the sole exception that it's easier to remove.
But also in that same sense (and this might be a stretch) Vista is capable of using a removable memory stick as virtual ram to speed up your PC's functionality. If that is possible there, and you've got a 8 gig SD card in your phone, splitting it off for virtual RAM is hopefully possible.
Maybe even think of it this was. 9 gig SD card, almost like partitioning a hard drive. 3 setup for virtual RAM, 3 setup as storage, 3 setup for ROM access to load the OS.
Or am i thinking WAY to far outside the box of possibilities?
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Thank you for the benefit of the doubt lol. Yes I do understand the difference thats why i was thinking if the SD memory could in essence be used to build the OS, because it is no different that the ROM in the sole exception that it's easier to remove.
But also in that same sense (and this might be a stretch) Vista is capable of using a removable memory stick as virtual ram to speed up your PC's functionality. If that is possible there, and you've got a 8 gig SD card in your phone, splitting it off for virtual RAM is hopefully possible.
Maybe even think of it this was. 9 gig SD card, almost like partitioning a hard drive. 3 setup for virtual RAM, 3 setup as storage, 3 setup for ROM access to load the OS.
Or am i thinking WAY to far outside the box of possibilities?
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Eh, this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=544445) will have all and enough information for you
Post 2 discusses Virtual Memory. Yea, I don't know what all that mumbo-jumbo means, since I never cooked for one of the newer, nk.exe WM6.5 compatible devices. But you'll find all the info on the new WM6.5 ROM's and cooking it, etc, on that thread. Enjoy the hefty reading!
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Hi guys
I'm not a programmer by any means, nor do I know anything about developing software, so take this idea with a grain of salt.
The issue I notice from time to time with my PPC6800 is slowdown from lack of ram (or that I haven't closed the apps and they're hogging the ram). My phone only has 64mb....so this got me thinking.... Vista has a feature called Readyboost which uses any flash based USB key to act like virtual ram (or a pagefile).
SO, how feasable would it be to create software that would coule read/write off the microSD card as if it were ram? Basically a MobileReadyboost as it were.
Discuss amongst yourselves =)
PS: Forgive me if something like this already exists for our platforms...but I haven't seen it.
SD cards read and write slow...
What if deleating the extended rom partition (located in ram, right?) and using that for a pagefile instead?
most people don't seem to use the extended rom when cooking. why not just make it usefull?????!!!!!
S.V.I said:
SD cards read and write slow...
What if deleating the extended rom partition (located in ram, right?) and using that for a pagefile instead?
most people don't seem to use the extended rom when cooking. why not just make it usefull?????!!!!!
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SD cards can be slow, but there are some models that are faster. Granted they cost more and are a little harder to find, because they are aimed photo people. But yeah.
extended rom in cooked roms is generally used for extra storage anyway so it isnt like it isnt being used
"SD cards can be slow, but there are some models that are faster. Granted they cost more and are a little harder to find, because they are aimed photo people. But yeah."
problem is that today it's not just sdcards which is the bottleneck the sd interface itself on the cpu is slow too
With all the things we can do with this PPC, coming loaded with 512 MB ROM / 288 MB RAM, and the fact i've got over a GIG of free space on my SD card and no real interest to put movies or music on it.
Can i add that spare memory into windows, maybe give it a few extra megs of RAM.
It would be crazy if something like this were impossible.
Well, technically it wouldn't be RAM but rather SWAP or VRAM (VirtualRAM) as it's called on Windows. Not as good as actual RAM, but good for being able to handle more programs without too much bottlenecking.
No idea how to do it, though I used to do it on an old Linux based phone. Good luck finding an answer, I'd like to have this as an option as well
LOl yes i know, but thank-you for the reminder. It was just easier to say RAM than going into the explanation I'm thinking this shouldn't be a major issue.
I got my (allegedly) 16GB Note 2 on Saturday and installed loads of stuff, including some pretty big Gameloft games. When I go into Storage from the Settings it says that my device memory has total space of 10.36GB with 2.98GB of it left. The fact that 7.38Gb is used up is probably about right given all the large games I've got on there, but why is the total space only reporting as 10.36GB when it's a 16GB model I bought? I'd expect some space to be used up by the OS itself and the various protected system partitions that come with it obviously, but does Jellybean really consume the GBs of space that make the difference between the 10.36GB reported and the 16GB that should be on there?
I used a disk info app to see what was going on and have attached a screenshot of it's output. I'm not sure what the difference is between the Data and SD card partitions there. Note that I do have a proper external SD card in the phone but it's only 2GB and so isn't any of those partitions. Anyone know what I'm seeing here and where my 16GB has gone?
Yes, this is the available amount of of space you get in this phone.
Its not just this phone! Any phone you get from market will have less user-available storage.
One X is said to be 32 gb but you can use only 25 gb
Here is a mod whoch can increase your space to around a bit above 11 gb http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1931500
Any 16 gb phone made has around this much user available space rest is OS and other stuff.
HINT: buy a 32 gb memory card? it will replace your internal memory card need exactl as if it was internal memory storage.
How? You can transfer all apps to SD Card using titanium backup so your phone memory and SD card memory is basically unified.
Read this: http://compreviews.about.com/od/storage/a/ActualHDSizes.htm
Partitions of the SGS III (I assume pretty much the same in Note II):
/system: 1G
/data: 11G (shared with /sdcard)
/cache: 1G
Add to this space required by OS and installed apps.
Kiahnlliya said:
Partitions of the SGS III (I assume pretty much the same in Note II):
/system: 1G
/data: 11G (shared with /sdcard)
/cache: 1G
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The 'Advertised vs actual' factor as described in that article would take just over 1GB away from a 16GB start (70.3 MB x 16 = 1.12GB).
Adding in the Cache, System and Data/SD Card values from my screenshot would take us up to 13-and-a-bit GB. (1.12 GB + 1GB + 1GB + 10GB = 13.12GB)
The System partition hold the OS and any other baked in stuff (as I understand it) so where's the other 2-and-a-bit GB?
I'm sure it's all explainable so I'm just curious to know how this works. I thought I remembered having more free space on my previous Note and the GSII before it (both of which were advertised as 16GB) but perhaps I'm misremembering.
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The 'Advertised vs actual' factor as described in that article would take just over 1GB away from a 16GB start (70.3 MB x 16 = 1.12GB).
Adding in the Cache, System and Data/SD Card values from my screenshot would take us up to 13-and-a-bit GB. (1.12 GB + 1GB + 1GB + 10GB = 13.12GB)
The System partition hold the OS and any other baked in stuff (as I understand it) so where's the other 2-and-a-bit GB?
I'm sure it's all explainable so I'm just curious to know how this works. I thought I remembered having more free space on my previous Note and the GSII before it (both of which were advertised as 16GB) but perhaps I'm misremembering.
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It would be interesting to get a clear answer for sure... I have a 64GB SDXC with 30GB free space on it and I can't think of anything else I would need that isn't already on there, I couldn't fill it up even if I tried. Also I still have 8GB free on my internal...
I don't listen to music on my phone, I have a dedicated player for that, so that's why I don't need tons of space... and that's why I don't really reflect on these things, but am a bit curious indeed about why the available space is so much less than 16GB.
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It would be interesting to get a clear answer for sure... I have a 64GB SDXC with 30GB free space on it and I can't think of anything else I would need that isn't already on there, I couldn't fill it up even if I tried. Also I still have 8GB free on my internal...
I don't listen to music on my phone, I have a dedicated player for that, so that's why I don't need tons of space... and that's why I don't really reflect on these things, but am a bit curious indeed about why the available space is so much less than 16GB.
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My usage is pretty much the same as yours (external SD card with a few things on it and separate dedicated mp3 player) so it's not something I'd usually notice either. The only reason I've clocked it this time is because I bought a few GB and bigger sized games in the recent 25p Google Play store all of which I've installed as soon as I set the phone up on Saturday; whereas usually I'd install one 'proper' game and only install a new one when I'd finished the last one. So, as such, this is probably about as full as my phone will ever be and not something that'll cause any problems, but it would be good to understand what's going on here.
Looking at a Galaxy Tab S. Is the 32G worth it over the 16G if I'm going to use a large microSD? Does the Tab S allow easy push to the microSD? How large can you use?
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You dont really need that huge space just stream music/movies, & upload all your stuff
I think you get like 10 or 12 usable GB with 16 GB.
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Looking at a Galaxy Tab S. Is the 32G worth it over the 16G if I'm going to use a large microSD? Does the Tab S allow easy push to the microSD? How large can you use?
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I've got a 64gb card in mine (Wifi). You can have music & videos as well as move apps2sd. I'm not always near a wifi hotspot (unless I use my phone) so it's convenient.
Get the 32GB version, or you will regret it. The stock software uses up 9 GB, so right off the bat you only have 7 GB or so to use. You can store all your media on a micro SD card, but not all apps support move to SD. So depending on the apps you use, you can end up with a lot of apps that doesn't support apps to SD.
Edit: after removing some updates for the stock apps I was able to shrink system file size to just 5 GB, so there is 11 GB available.
Unless you get the 32GB at a good price, I would not worry about getting it over the 16GB. With apps like app2sd and Foldermount, you can easily move apps to the microsd card. I have most of mine running off of 64GB microsd just fine. Save your money and put it toward the SD card. Now again, if it's only marginally more, say $50, then I would indeed get it. I know Best Buy only charges $50 more but a lot of deals can be found on the 16GB model making the delta much greater. Shop around, you should be able to get the 16Gb for around $399 or so. Thus wouldn't pay much more for the 32Gb version.
In my experience with many android devices I've never had issue getting the lowest available internal. Have always used microSD to store files and moved apps when possible. My 10.5 and 8.4 both are 16Gb with 120Gb Sandisc uSDs. No issues whatsoever.
(BTW BB often has those uSDs at $99)
MicroSD is great for media files, but the number of apps that support move to SD is limited, so depending on your usage your mileage may vary. I am not saying that you will definitely run out of space if you get the 16 GB
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MicroSD is great for media files, but the number of apps that support move to SD is limited, so depending on your usage your mileage may vary. I am not saying that you will definitely run out of space if you get the 16 GB
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As mentioned, there are a number of utilities out there that will move the apps or large files from them to the SD card (folder mount, Directory Bind, latest apps2sd). I have over 50 games and apps running off my 64GB card. I will mentioned that I believe each of these utilities do require root, thus if you do not plan to root, your options will be limited and probably best to pursue the 32GB. However if you do plan on rooting, then 16GB should not be an issue. Can also remove the undesired apps as well, freeing even more space.
5.0.2 update will also help massively as fixes SD card issues of kitkat.
I hope so too.
My cards say class 10 and 50 MB/sec. Android says they are too slow.
How fast of a one do I need?
I don't want to buy a 128 card just to find out I need root to tweak the buffer or that it doesn't work that well.
I posted a screenshot. Adoptable is the same as storage, sdcard, 3dots, format as internal
From my understanding there aren't any cards at the moment quick enough to serve the role efficiently. Just use it as an external storage until faster cards become available.
I was about to make a post concerning the best Micro SD cards do Moto Z Play, thanks for bringing that up!
I have a 128gb Samsung EVO micro sd, class 10, but it's 48mb/s and I got the same message you did, saying the card isn't fast enough and that the overall apps and system speeds could be slower.
I thought class 10 micro sd's were among the fastest and the Moto Z Play wouldn't have any trouble using it as an extension of it's internal storage, but as a matter of fact, there are indeed faster micro sds. After researching a little bit, I found Samsung EVOs with 80mb/s transfer speeds (the 48mb/s are colored orange, as the 80mb/s are little green ones):
I still haven't bought one, but I browsed through some forums and videos and people with the same problem said 80mb/s seems to do the trick and they didn't get any message complaining about the micro sd speed.
f you want even faster micro sds, try the Sandisk Extreme, with speeds up to 90mb/s:
I have to get a faster micro SD anyway, as soon as i do i'll post here my experience with it.
Hope this helps,
Cheers!
While running the adopted 50 MB card AFT fails on most copy operations.
I am afraid ? that 2 times faster may not be enough for the already challenged ATF, buggy as it is already.
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My cards say class 10 and 50 MB/sec. Android says they are too slow.
How fast of a one do I need?
I don't want to buy a 128 card just to find out I need root to tweak the buffer or that it doesn't work that well.
I posted a screenshot. Adoptable is the same as storage, sdcard, 3dots, format as internal
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How can you live with all those notifications? My OCD prevents me from seeing so many icons in the notification bar
Jorgeprdz said:
How can you live with all those notifications? My OCD prevents me from seeing so many icons in the notification bar
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Just 12 not including the statusbar pro, which I cannot live without.
Better?
Using this card with no issues. Formatted as internal storage. SanDisk Extreme 128GB microSDXC UHS-I Card with Adapter (SDSQXVF-128G-GN6MA). Got it at Amazon for 60 bucks. It is quite speedy as far as I can tell.
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Using this card with no issues. Formatted as internal storage. SanDisk Extreme 128GB microSDXC UHS-I Card with Adapter (SDSQXVF-128G-GN6MA). Got it at Amazon for 60 bucks. It is quite speedy as far as I can tell.
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Do you play large music files (flac or dsf) ?
I do and getting them on such a card is via my Mac using Android File Transfer or from a SATA drive using OTG. On KK AFT did not work on large transfers. It has not been updated in many years. The OTG / drive method should be reliable but not with my 50 mb, slow card.
To boot, on the negative side of using adopted cards, you cannot pull the card in the case of a data wipe.
I will be abandoning this method.
Thanks to all for sharing!
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Do you play large music files (flac or dsf) ?
I do and getting them on such a card is via my Mac using Android File Transfer or from a SATA drive using OTG. On KK AFT did not work on large transfers. It has not been updated in many years. The OTG / drive method should be reliable but not with my 50 mb, slow card.
To boot, on the negative side of using adopted cards, you cannot pull the card in the case of a data wipe.
I will be abandoning this method.
Thanks to all for sharing!
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In my use case, adaptable storage doesn't make much sense on devices with 32gb or more of internal storage. Unless you really need that much space for app installs, the limitations outweigh the benefits. My typical app load is around 8 to 10gb, so I have somewhere around another 10 available on the MZP, as long as I pull all my media into an external card. This way I know all my apps are using fast internal storage, and I don't have to wonder if a widget is available or not. And I can pull the card and use it in a PC or other device.
Now my Moto E 2 (with 8gb onboard) is a different story. But I use a hybrid card in that - 20gb as adopted and the other 40 as external. May consider this as an option when I get around to getting a card for the MZP
I took a 32gb card and combined it. It warned me too. After reading up on the function, Android evaluates what to put where. Having the card separate made it less useful only good for photos and video really. This way app data can be buffered there. Things like cloud services buffer files internally. Netflix now uses SD but that was an issue too.
Bought a new micro SD for the Moto Z Play and it works perfectly with no warnings about it's speed being slow!
It's a Samsung PRO 64 GB microSDXC Card, with 90 MB/s reading speed and 80 MB/s writing speed.
As you insert the card and format it to be part of the phone's internal storage, the system doesn't complain about the card being too slow or that it'll affect the overall app and system speed.
It's perfectly reliable for installing apps outside the device storage and keep the desired speed and all that good stuff.
Cheers! =)
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It's perfectly reliable for installing apps outside the device storage and keep the desired speed and all that good stuff.
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It's a microSD. For these kind of cards it's quite usual that there is some percentage that fail after some time. Some cards only last for months, other years. It seems to be independent of manufacturer.
My personal advice: Whatever you store on a micro SD card, have a backup. I'd rather not use it for internal storage if it's not necessary to do so. It's slower than internal memory anyway. This is a personal opinion, you'll have or see different opinions for sure.
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It's a microSD. For these kind of cards it's quite usual that there is some percentage that fail after some time. Some cards only last for months, other years. It seems to be independent of manufacturer.
My personal advice: Whatever you store on a micro SD card, have a backup. I'd rather not use it for internal storage if it's not necessary to do so. It's slower than internal memory anyway. This is a personal opinion, you'll have or see different opinions for sure.
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I agree but for me having a Mac I never want to use ATF it is buggy.
So I am left to getting large music files from an external drive over OTG.
It is so much more reliable to drop the file right to the SD and move the card to the phone.
If the adopted card fails , you need a data wipe or an update screws it up, you have a bad phone day!
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I agree but for me having a Mac I never want to use ATF it is buggy.
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Me too!
I'm allowing the access via Windows filesharing (still OSX 10.6.8), and then access some drive on the computer using LAN plugin of Total Commander for Android. Works like a charm! It is a bit slower, but very convenient not having the need to put card or, put card in etc.
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It's a microSD. For these kind of cards it's quite usual that there is some percentage that fail after some time. Some cards only last for months, other years. It seems to be independent of manufacturer.
My personal advice: Whatever you store on a micro SD card, have a backup. I'd rather not use it for internal storage if it's not necessary to do so. It's slower than internal memory anyway. This is a personal opinion, you'll have or see different opinions for sure.
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Me too!
I'm allowing the access via Windows filesharing (still OSX 10.6.8), and then access some drive on the computer using LAN plugin of Total Commander for Android. Works like a charm! It is a bit slower, but very convenient not having the need to put card or, put card in etc.
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Is that only on snow?
I do have a snow partition for older programs.
So do I need to buy FC and the plugin?
Tell me more please, cause I hate ATF soooo much. Why does Android drop it's ball like this?
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Is that only on snow?
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I'm quite sure that file sharing via smb: is available on nearly all versions of Windows and OSX.
You may start Windows file sharing in network settings of OSX. Then you can give access to some drive in Finder.
If you google a bit, you will find help I guess.
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So do I need to buy FC and the plugin?
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Buy? Total Commander is free of cost, including all necessary plugins. For Windows file sharing (smb) you need the TC LAN plugin.
Edit: By "a bit slower" I meant because it usually is being used via WLAN in your intranet
Just wanted to post back here - finally got around to picking up an sd card for the MZP. Went with Samsung evo 128gb, $40 on Amazon. Since it's got plenty of space, I decided to go the same route that I did with the moto e, and do hybrid storage. Formatted 25% adopted and 75% external. Gives me an additional 30gb internal space and 90gb external storage.
Device sees the storage space fine. A couple apps I've messed with so far (Netflix and Google play music) can save to external fine, but don't recognize the additional available space in "internal", or at last don't report it as available.
I don't plan to move any apps that I use frequently or anything that I use widgets from to adopted, as the advertised max read speed is only 20mb/s. Haven't actually tested yet. But I did move a couple low use apps over. Reported storage space on both internal and adopted updated correctly (an issue I've had in the past).
So far, so good.