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Just spoke to O2 (UK) becasue i sent my XDAIIs back for replacment and they have run out of stock. I asked how long it was going to take for them to get them back in, and the woman (who was very helpful) said that she did not know but there was a new XDA coming out in may called the XDAIII and it was for their new 3G network.
She said if i wanted to wait then i could and they would give it to me for free.
Sorry if it is old news, but i could not find a date anywhere else on the forum.
While it really must be a pain to wait that long it seems a darned decent thing for them to offer.
makes a change to hear something good about 02, but then people tjhat have good experiences are hardly likely to post about them, unlike you.
I hope the wait is worth it.
Dave, nice to see another Liverpool fan on the site.
Shame about the last second goal the other night.
Unless LFC meant something totally different.
Nope it means Liverpool FC, I'm looking foward to my trip to Cardiff on Sunday!
Me too mate, although i have to sit with the $%* blues.
I've been using a PDA since the days of the Apple Newton! When I bought the Xda IIs recently in Malaysia, I thought I could finally travel light without my camera, iPod and phone. Sadly that has not been the case. My Xda hangs all the time, is unable to answer calls at times, sigh...
So I've spent the last 2 weeks (since I bought the Xda) trolling all sorts of forums looking for solutions. So do we blame Microsoft, HTC or O2? I think that it is reasonable to expect something that works as advertised but I guess not all companies have the same commitment to customer satisfaction.
I know I won't buy anything that comes from HTC again.
I think it is probably MS that should be blamed in this instance as the mics on the II/IIs/IIi have always seemed to work fine for voice recording and even on speakerphone so surely this is a software issue?
Having said that O2 do an incredible job of burying their heads in the sand with regards to the faults that we all nknow exist and it would be reasonable to expect HTC to actually test the phone software on their devices and fix the problem.
So lets just blame them all for bringing us all a package that so nearly is a dream convergence gadget and yet just manages to drop the ball at the last moment!
I have to disagree, what other device gives you Phone/Organiser/Video player/MP3 player/SatNav/Camera (still and video)/Email/Mobile Office document handling etc..etc..
OK so it's not perfect and admittedly the O2 stuff is pants but I have removed all that.
To be honest apart from the odd reset every couple of days I don't really have any problems with mine.
Hey, I even like the keyboard!!!
Perhaps I've just been lucky so far!
I suppose I will have to do what everyone is doing and tinker with the ROM, etc until it's right. You guys have certainly been very helpful as the site offers advice that you could never possibly find with support at O2. I do wonder if the HTC or O2 people actutally read these posts and feel guilty for not getting everything right for us :roll:
Don't disagree on the IIs being a cool piece of kit, I honestly would have to resort to murder if someone took mine off me but I just wish O2 would admit the problems with it as a phone & put some energy into fixing it instead of bringing out a ROM update which seems to have merely added more useless rubbish to O2 Active & moved the top bar icons around.
If the phone worked properly I would be ordering another 15 at work straight away!
Don't disagree on the IIs being a cool piece of kit, I honestly would have to resort to murder if someone took mine off me but I just wish O2 would admit the problems with it as a phone & put some energy into fixing it instead of bringing out a ROM update which seems to have merely added more useless rubbish to O2 Active & moved the top bar icons around.
If the phone worked properly I would be ordering another 15 at work straight away!
Don't disagree on the IIs being a cool piece of kit, I honestly would have to resort to murder if someone took mine off me but I just wish O2 would admit the problems with it as a phone & put some energy into fixing it instead of bringing out a ROM update which seems to have merely added more useless rubbish to O2 Active & moved the top bar icons around.
If the phone worked properly I would be ordering another 15 at work straight away!
Don't disagree on the IIs being a cool piece of kit, I honestly would have to resort to murder if someone took mine off me but I just wish O2 would admit the problems with it as a phone & put some energy into fixing it instead of bringing out a ROM update which seems to have merely added more useless rubbish to O2 Active & moved the top bar icons around.
If the phone worked properly I would be ordering another 15 at work straight away!
irblinx said:
Don't disagree on the IIs being a cool piece of kit, I honestly would have to resort to murder if someone took mine off me but I just wish O2 would admit the problems with it as a phone & put some energy into fixing it instead of bringing out a ROM update which seems to have merely added more useless rubbish to O2 Active & moved the top bar icons around.
If the phone worked properly I would be ordering another 15 at work straight away!
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I think they are working on fixes. But software development and testing takes a lot of time.
One O2 person once told me they could take the Imate approach - pitch out a new ROM as soon as HTC have it, and let customers test it, or they could wait and do it themselves.
1.31 is really not that bad, but I guess I don't stress my IIs.
The update isn't "bad", just not noticeably better than the launch ROM (once Bt bld 3500 is installed).
O2 don't even recognise the dodgy phone quality as a known fault. The testing arguement is just a cop out on there part as it's been an issue since the Xda 1, all 3rd party software companies seem to be able to patch/upgrade their software within 1-2 months of a new device release!
I just dont understand why people dont take advantage of the 14-day, or even sometimes 28-day, money back quarantees that all retailers/suppliers provide! People spend ages on informative forums like this one trying to sort out problems and sharing opinions so why not visit these forums before making a purchase? I dont really think manufacturers like HTC or Microsoft can be blamed as they're trying to provide a working environment within hardware/software with technology that is available NOW. Unless people are willing to wait/ponder for another year or 2 before anything that is remotely 90% stable as a pda/phone/mp3 player/camera then the IIs is as good as it gets.
IIs is just not as good as I think. Twice in a week cannot hear each other when dialing a call, but soft reset can solve to problem. Just really want to get back to confidence of reliance. I always feel people cannot contact me even when my phone is always on.
I have not installed any program relating to phone.
May be I should change back to a VGA PDA with bluetooth connecting to a more reliable normal phone, or just change a compaq.
IIs is a phone PDA but cannot dial and receive call sometimes.
Although it's sad, i'm glad to see it's not just me that has the can't hear amd answer calls problems.....I've had nothing but grief with my Xda2s. Thing is it does everything I want and stuff I can't get from any other phone.
Seems like you just have to put up with the problems if you want the most advanced kit
This is all about creating devices to keep shifting boxes, they rely on you wanting the latest piece of kit, it has always happened, flawed devices rushed to market to fulfil a demand created by the people marketing the devices and making all the promises. I have an xda 1, I have tried xda 2, ipaqs etc but I find this phone is reliable, allows me to add software in rom and it does everything I need it to do, I dont need a camera/bluetooth/wireless, I just need a phone/organiser/navigation system that works. I recently posted this topic.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=95515&highlight=#95515
I've been looking at the following site, from searching around on this forum...
http://www.htceurope.com/Wizard.aspx
Filled in all the details, IMEI, Serial Number, etc... and its coming up registered as a 9090, when I try select MDAIII or MV2000, it Always defaults back to 9090...
SO... this is what puzzles me... surely if HTC dont do O2 repairs, why would they have the mobile on the 'warranty' list, as I tried my old Smartphone on there (which is way out of warranty) and it says there is no valid warranty for this phone!
Basically, the TFT is cracked to hell, BUT i can still use the phone using MobiControl software, and it makes/recieves calls just fine!
Would it be worth filling in the Warranty form, or just giving HTC a call on Monday (tomorrow)???
I got the phone for free of my brother who works in a phone store, with a smashed screen, was originally a demo phone, so only has 15 hours outgoing calls logged only & no incoming, in A1 condition, no scratches, all accessories, MINT!
If HTC decide not to repair it, or they do at a charge, how much would it be for...
HTC to carry out the repair if they add a surcharge (as stated on there site)
Other individual to eith ersupply a screen for me to fit, or fix it for me??
Cheers
Paul
I sent off my phone to HTC (uk) cause some friend sat on my mdaIII and cracked the screen (just the touchscreen.. not the LCD).
This happened 1 month after i got my phone.. (just my luck i guess).. Anyway they said screens aint in warranty, and they charged £90 (GPB) plus VAT (£105.75). I had 2 options.. pay it.. or pay 15 pounds to return.. so i took option 1..
Note tho.. it took em ages! i called 1000 times for status.. and they were saying waiting for parts and stuff... BULL****.. in the end and 3 months of waiting.. they said they had to replace the motherboard cause the screen wasnt compatible.. what a load of bull**** lol.. they gave me another phone.. different serial, IMEI and everything.. but 3 months of waiting was HELL..
hmmmm well if thats what there like, I doubt I will get them to sort it then...
Rang HTC before, but is just an answerphone service, pointless & crap!
Had a quote for £165 inc. labour & such so far from Apex Laptops, so gona shop around & see if I can get it cheaper! But a little birdy told me... that the XDA IIs screens are very hard to come by, as seems to be a common fault them going?? dont know much about it tbh!
Cheers
PaulW21781 said:
hmmmm well if thats what there like, I doubt I will get them to sort it then...
Rang HTC before, but is just an answerphone service, pointless & crap!
Had a quote for £165 inc. labour & such so far from Apex Laptops, so gona shop around & see if I can get it cheaper! But a little birdy told me... that the XDA IIs screens are very hard to come by, as seems to be a common fault them going?? dont know much about it tbh!
Cheers
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HTC won't touch o2 stuff from experience despite the commonality between models / parts accross the brands - I tried to get a screen done in an XDA exec and they wouldn't as they claimed they coudln't guarentee to have the screen that matched my board (see previous poster )so I think they stick to the brands they have a repair contract with, even though I could quote the part number needed!
o2's own XDA helpline quoted £165 for the exec, HTC had quoted £115 for the 'm5000' so were cheaper :-(
I ended up getting one direct from Taipei for about £100 and fitting it myself.
If you source the b.a part yourself make sure you check the part number ( sony or toppoly) before ordering from anywhere, most places have a 'no returns' policy.
Richard
I had a little accident with mine on Sunday. It fell out of my pocket and down 4 or 5 stairs in a carpark. The side cracked off on one of the sliders, so its come off its runners and the screen and unit are two separate pieces! However oddly enough the screen isn't cracked at all!
I'd sell it, but insurance is providing a new one tomorrow and I need to give this one back.
thanks for nothing Orange...I mailed them the other week and got this response.
"Dear Mr xxxx
Thank you for your mail regarding a Windows Mobile 6 update.
Unfortunately, we have no plans to release a Windows Mobile 6 update for the M700.
Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience caused.
Kind regards
Joe
Orange Customer Services"
why bother emailing them... just use muns or lvsw's ROMs thats what I do.
ROFLMAO. U are suprised? They told me that they don't even support GPS on it UNLESS it's the Business version and then even then they couldn't tell me concisively if they did or didn't
Ditto
Why are they selling a phone with what is a killer app / kit and not pushing it like hell? Mucho wierdness
But then ig it aint a nokia or SE they are clueless
deech said:
Ditto
Why are they selling a phone with what is a killer app / kit and not pushing it like hell? Mucho wierdness
But then ig it aint a nokia or SE they are clueless
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and yet they push the gps capabilities of the N95 which is basically useless.
Hence my "if it's not a Nokia / SE they really arent interested"
According to coolsmartphone.com, Orange are going to be dropping the SPV name for the phones and sell them as HTC models ... which means that they will be treated as any other manufacturer rather than their own brand
I am a business user so have the GPS version.
I want an official WM6 ROM because I had problems with every single WM6 cooked ROM on my SPV m600. An I tried about 6 of them.
I don't want to go through the hassles of reduced battery life, problems with the phone, having to redo the WIFI, BT, settings etc etc.
I love the look of WM6, the speed and the other functionality but can't live with the imperfections :-(
And yes I am surprise Orange can't be fagged- how hard can it be ;-)
If they go with HTC instead of SPV maybe support for WM6 will be better.
m700 mUn SE is v.good.
mUns SE is pretty near perfect after all patches applied - so I'd assume that the TE is rock solid from the off.
I have less bugs in mUn's SE than in most of orange roms I've used in 4 devices.
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If they go with HTC instead of SPV maybe support for WM6 will be better.
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I wouldn't hold my breathe if I were you. I heard HTC was meant to be moving away from WM6
oh that's not so good- if they were moving from WM6 to what though?
I just remembered another M600 WM6 ROM problem I had - the infernal no charging from USB issue. It used to drive me mad (how else can you charge a device in a car!
Now I have an Orange stock ROm to go back to I might try mUns SE or TE.
cheers!
TBH I'm amazed anyone finds it a suprise. Orange technical support is terrible. 1/2 the devices they ship don't have GPS enabled the other half do. They refuse to even support the GPS so why would they bother with WM6.
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I am a business user so have the GPS version.
I want an official WM6 ROM because I had problems with every single WM6 cooked ROM on my SPV m600. An I tried about 6 of them.
I don't want to go through the hassles of reduced battery life, problems with the phone, having to redo the WIFI, BT, settings etc etc.
I love the look of WM6, the speed and the other functionality but can't live with the imperfections :-(
And yes I am surprise Orange can't be fagged- how hard can it be ;-)
If they go with HTC instead of SPV maybe support for WM6 will be better.
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If you don't want this testing stuff, downgrade!
I'm a business user too, but my job is to innovate in ICT. If you don't have time for that like I have, downgrade!
Just wait till there is an official ROM, which will be announced at the official site ... and if it won't come there for free ... earn money in the business and buy a new phone!
duh thanks Stingray ;-)
If you read all of my posts in this thread you'd see the WHOLE point is I want an official ROM!
However tonight I decided what the heck and stuck on mUn TE. So far not anyting bad to report.
I can't change the device name and it didn't want to "resume" easily from - well I don't know what (standyby ??) but the screen went off and took about 10 presses of the on button to come back to life.
As I say I'm a business user- I work in software but I need a reliable phone. It's really bad when the reception is poor or I just get cut off. I'll never go back to a Nokia though!
The resume thingy is the same in both main WM6 ROM, seems to get it's nickers in a twist if you press the resume button toooo quick to offten, ie 10 times in a short whilem cos just as it's about to come on you (we) nget impaitent and press again so telling it to not wake up, after a few press' it ignores you, and waits till you decide what you really want
As for it being buggy etc, I have the LVSW ROM fitted and tbh not had any issues, apart from what I say above. Oh and of course getting all the Orange settings back etc etc, and the power issues there is a cab nocking about I posted it and so have others.
hollandg said:
According to coolsmartphone.com, Orange are going to be dropping the SPV name for the phones and sell them as HTC models ... which means that they will be treated as any other manufacturer rather than their own brand
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Not all the models, the HTC Touch will be sold as an HTC Touch, but "signature" models will still be under the SPV brand, which I'm guessing is the M range i.e. hermes, trinity etc.
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TBH I'm amazed anyone finds it a suprise. Orange technical support is terrible. 1/2 the devices they ship don't have GPS enabled the other half do.
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Thats not actually true! It is another case of Orange having such poor CS training, and product awareness, that these rumours get propagated.
All SPV M700s have a GPS enabled ROM (apart from a few early 'demo' samples that found their way onto the market via Orange Shops) but O seem to never have acknowledged the fact, apart from a small insert in the packaging referencing the Orange Navigation system.
Customer Services/Tech Support are so inept that some people have been advised that they need a Bluetooth GPS Receiver for navigation with the M700
WM6 from Orange- won't happen, for marketing rather than technical reasons. Once the later models come along, they will be pushing those for new contracts/upgrades, and ignoring the current user base.
NeilM's post is right on the mark.
I checked with Orange - No Orange WM6 forthcoming - no explanation, but I'm sure its a marketing thing with so many new WM6 devicesstarting to appear.
Good news - I emailed HTC and received an email back -
Good Morning.
Thank you for contacting HTC Europe regarding Windows Mobile 6.
For further information on our Windows Mobile 6 update strategy, including which devices will receive the update, please see the following link.
http://www.europe.htc.com/z/pdf/press/WM6_statement_v6.pdf
Once released, they should be available for download from the support section of the htc website.
For the P3600 it is not official yet, please wait for the final decision
Thank you for your enquiry.? Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html
Best regards,
Lena Culleron
HTC Europe
[email protected]
http://www.htc.com
so not conclusive, but looking hopefull!! (i'm an optomist)
It obviosuly wont be orange branded or have their homeplug, but at least it wont invalidate the HTC manufacturers warranty.
By the way, all Orange M700's did have GPS enabled, bad rumours flowed from poor product awareness by staff and Orange disabling the GPS icon in the connections menu - but thers plenty of tweaks out there to make it reappear.
There seems to have been a lot less support for the Trinity out there compared to rhe TyTn/Hermes even though, if you prefer no minikeyboard, it is a better device!!
If all else fails, MuNs WM6 rom seems to be getting a fair rattle out there and so it looks pretty stable and bug low.
dave the hampster said:
It obviosuly wont be orange branded or have their homeplug....
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Thank goodness! The Orange HomePlug and customisations are a real memory hog and also screw up other Today Plug-ins
dave the hampster said:
By the way, all Orange M700's did have GPS enabled, bad rumours flowed from poor product awareness by staff and Orange disabling the GPS icon in the connections menu - but thers plenty of tweaks out there to make it reappear.
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The GPS Icon is a red herring. It is only needed for configuring External GPS devices, or modifying the GPS Intermediary Driver for an internal chip, but the default settings are best left alone.
The GPS Receiver will simply turn itself on or off according to demand by a GPS Application.
Thanks for the info Dave- not quite as cut & dried from HTC as it was after the initial announcement!
Hi All,
I am new here so hi.
I am thinking of getting a TP2 and possibly getting the VF TP2 since they seem to have some good tariffs, better than my current fruity operator !!!
However....
I am very concerned about their version of the TP2 and the mods that they have made to it. Does anyone know what these are like the VF red/white UI.
I am seriously wondering whether it may be better to go for an unlocked version from somewhere like Clove or Expansys but I still need to buy the network access package which apparently costs the same ie around £30/month.
Thanks in advance,
Sam
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SamJolly said:
Hi All,
I am new here so hi.
I am thinking of getting a TP2 and possibly getting the VF TP2 since they seem to have some good tariffs, better than my current fruity operator !!!
However....
I am very concerned about their version of the TP2 and the mods that they have made to it. Does anyone know what these are like the VF red/white UI.
I am seriously wondering whether it may be better to go for an unlocked version from somewhere like Clove or Expansys but I still need to buy the network access package which apparently costs the same ie around £30/month.
Thanks in advance,
Sam
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Welcome to the forum
Please do not double post
read and respect the rules
Apologies. The site was very slow to respond so I stopped the original and resubmitted not realising that the initial one had posted.
Sam
You could do what I (and many others here) did, buy from http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/ .I got an unbranded TP2 on vodafone, rather than the voda customised one that you get when going direct.
Gordon
Gordon,
Thanks for this. This looks interesting. I heard about them on the VF forums although the VF moderators were not too keen, surprise, surprise. Basically one should check very carefully 3rd party contracts. So are the contracts from mobilephonedirect problematic?
It seems to me that they are simply reselling the same VF packages. However if they are a good company with fair contracts then they look good. Also I did contact them seperately about this issue and I got:
"We only do the unlocked version anyway."
So is this an unlocked phone on contract with no mods... ?? Sounds good to be me.
I am rambling now...
Thanks,
Sam
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Gordon,
Did you mean to double reply...??
Since you have gone with them, I am really interested in your view of their contracts and of them as a company to deal with.
Thanks,
Sam
Looking into this a little more, it seems that VF try to encourage you to join their £30 / month deal via a free ear piece (~£30 value) and free first 3 months (£90) so a saving of £120 in total....
Hmmm....
Sam
I'd definitely recommend going for Vodafone, not through MPD.
The reason for this is that MDP is more expensive (at least for 18 month contracts), and you don't get the quality support you get with Vodafone.
If you phone becomes faulty within the next 18 months, with Vodafone you'll get a replacement within 24 hours (assuming you're on business tariff, as that's all they are currently offering the TP2 with), but with MPD you'll have to use HTCs support, which means sending it off and being without a phone for a couple of weeks or more.
Also you'll never have any issues deciding who to go to with an issue, as it's all one company, they can never say 'that's the responsibility of the reseller' or whatever.
That's my recommendation anyway, but do what's best for you!
David,
Thanks.
Since you are from VF and have TP2, could you tell me how the VF TP2 differs from the HTC standard TP2. This customisation is the one thing that is putting me off going with VF directly - It may not be too bad.
So as a VF user of a VF TP2 device, what are the differences please.
Many thanks in advance,
Sam
The differences are not significant.
Differences:
- Vodafone branding near buttons at bottom end of phone, doesn't look bad.
- Vodafone branding on the battery cover (overall less writing than HTCs, and you can replace this if you really want)
- FM radio software included
- Red/white colour theme
In my opinion, the theme is ugly, but this will be so easy to change in the future, either when Hard SPL is released, or some other way of changing the theme / flashing original HTC rom is found.
These are the only differences I can see, overall it's not been customised loads beyond the theme.
DavidMc0 said:
The differences are not significant.
Differences:
- Vodafone branding near buttons at bottom end of phone, doesn't look bad.
- Vodafone branding on the battery cover (overall less writing than HTCs, and you can replace this if you really want)
- FM radio software included
- Red/white colour theme
In my opinion, the theme is ugly, but this will be so easy to change in the future, either when Hard SPL is released, or some other way of changing the theme / flashing original HTC rom is found.
These are the only differences I can see, overall it's not been customised loads beyond the theme.
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FM radio software included
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in the vodafone?
David,
This is very interesting.
I also appreciate your honesty about the theme. Out of interest does this theme replace HTC's 3D UI for appointment viewings, time, weather etc.... that one sees in reviews?
So The performance is the same as the original? But with a VF Flash which you say could be replaced shortly with this thing called Hard SPL. Would the use of such a program not invalidate any VF warranty?
Thanks again,
Sam
DavidMc0 said:
The differences are not significant.
Differences:
- Vodafone branding near buttons at bottom end of phone, doesn't look bad.
- Vodafone branding on the battery cover (overall less writing than HTCs, and you can replace this if you really want)
- FM radio software included
- Red/white colour theme
In my opinion, the theme is ugly, but this will be so easy to change in the future, either when Hard SPL is released, or some other way of changing the theme / flashing original HTC rom is found.
These are the only differences I can see, overall it's not been customised loads beyond the theme.
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It also has Worldcard Mobile pre-installed
Oh and you understated how bad the theme is!
faria said:
in the vodafone?
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Yes it is there
Thanks all.
Out of interest is there anybody who regrets getting their phone via VF as opposed to MPD or elsewhere?
Also has anyone got their TF TP2 UI back to HTC's original or is this too early yet?
I am still very split.... although if the theme issue is solvable then I might be persuaded to go with VF especially as they have £120 off plus £100 cashback with Quidco which I would not get via MPD.... which is basically 7 months free.
Hmmmm.... Now how bad is that VF theme??!!!
I am going to ring MPD tomorrow and see what they have to say.... Will be interesting.
Thanks again all,
Sam
I'm going to be getting a VF contract with the Touch Pro 2 as I'm on my third Xperia and I'm sick of it!
Can I just ask, when you turn on the TP2 for the first time, does it give you a warning then begin the VF customizations?
Because if it does you can just pull the battery out then and it won't be VF branded
I know this works on the HTC Universal as I bought mine from O2 and didn't want the branding, can someone test it for me on the TP2 please?
alexnessie said:
I'm going to be getting a VF contract with the Touch Pro 2 as I'm on my third Xperia and I'm sick of it!
Can I just ask, when you turn on the TP2 for the first time, does it give you a warning then begin the VF customizations?
Because if it does you can just pull the battery out then and it won't be VF branded
I know this works on the HTC Universal as I bought mine from O2 and didn't want the branding, can someone test it for me on the TP2 please?
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It has been tested by others and reported to no longer.
Cheers,
Beasty
beast0898 said:
It has been tested by others and reported to no longer.
Cheers,
Beasty
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So I'm stuck with the VF branding? Is there a way to remove it without flashing the phone?
Sam,
I noticed the double post about the same time you did, not sure what went wrong!
I can't really comment on MPD as I've been with them less than a week they handled the order efficiently and I've had no issues so far.
I am concerned about MPD being between me and vodafone, but I decided to take the risk. Voda weren't doing the phone when I ordered mine and I prefer unbranded phones to carriers own versions.
I'll update this thread if I discover any problems.
Gordon