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Memory issues with "home-cooked" ROMS?

Firstly I am not having a go at any of the ROM creators here - just trying to understand what is going on with my device.
I have O2 Orbit, have used O2-WM5, B&B and now O2-WM6. Using Navigon 6.2 installed on SD card.
I am route planning for holidays and have a route that is a 3 hour route with 1 waypoint. I created this route when running O2-WM5. With B&B i cannot get the saved route to load, and often I will get a memory issue and be asked to close other apps (normally phone is the only other open). Tried using overlocker in case it was processor issue - no joy.
I reverted to O2 - WM5 and it works, upgraded to O2-WM6 it works. What is the difference with the B&B Rom? Is this related to Ext-ROM or lack of? Do all the HTC-home and theme take too much memory?
Thoughts and advise appreciated - and if there is a nice looking WM6 ROM that someone can recommend I would appreciate a link!!
emul

Thoughts about Navigon on Mobiles
Hi!
I am facing the same problems (Navigon 6.1 on an O2MiniS, WM5). Only the simplest functions work -- as long as nothing else is done with the phone.
I have not had a chance to try this out, but this is advice I got:
a) use a faster (mini)sd-card. Amongst others, Transcend sells fast cards. Navigon does not advice doing this, but tells me I can try.
b) remove all superfluous maps from the card.
c) install the program so it runs from your mobile -- not from the card.
Let us know how you are faring!
Bob

Okay so this may be a Navigon issue rather than WM5 / WM6 / B&B ROM. I am going to try tomorrow to flash a clean rom, install no programs nor synch with laptop and see what happens then.
Currently with O2-WM6, synched (500 contacts / 100 email) the route planning "works" after a 60 sec delay before completing calcs from point a to b and then again from b to c..!!
Will let you know how it goes.
Thanks
Eoin

Hello,
i have the same Problem. At all cooked ROM with more RAM MN6 are not Display the Route and crash. With orginal ROM and ROM with low RAM MN6 perfekt work.
Is there already a solution?
heross

I have never been able to resolve it. As a workaround I now use Hibernate before MN6 which seems to clear enough memory. If you find any answers let me know.
Eoin

heross said:
Hello,
i have the same Problem. At all cooked ROM with more RAM MN6 are not Display the Route and crash. With orginal ROM and ROM with low RAM MN6 perfekt work.
Is there already a solution?
heross
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I've been playing with various satnavs over the weekend, all on the standard Dopod WM6 ROm... the following all worked, using UK maps, and planned a route from Suffolk to Lancashire (250 miles):
TomTom 6.02 and 6.03
Navigon MN6
Route66
iGo MyWay
My thoughts on them are as follows:
Navigon: Too slow, graphics unclear, not enough features
iGo: Not bad, but still junt missing a few bits
Route66: A serious contender, but you cant view your route easily or manually modify it or avoid areas. Speed Camera warnings are absolutely brilliant though, and performance is fast.
TomTom: Definitely the best overall - if it had free traffic and speed cam implemetation lice Route66, it would be a complete no brainer. As it is, the ability to avoid sections of routes etc and subscribable traffic if needed make it my personal preference.
If you need info on how to get hold of TomTom, PM me!

try that one...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316058&highlight=donothing.zip
it worked for me.
good luck

THX,
cleaninstall of MN6.0-> deinstall->update to MN6.2->install MN6.2 have solve the Problem.

MEMORY error is definitly a ROM version problem. Try a fast ROM like Vanilla 2.0 or Stripped HTC WWE ROM --> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334810
Navigon need a lot of memory ~about 15mb free to run. I don't know if it's fixed with last update. I think that they are going to build more and more PNA and less PDA softwares updates. If you can try UPX4PDA That can compress your .EXE and .DLL, I 've done it for TOMTOM, .EXE ist now 920 Kb (before 2,30 Mb).
Anyway Navigon and iGO look nicer than TOMTOM, but TOMTOM run faster on PDA (with 200Mhz Processors). Gonna see with next generation with VGA and 400 Mhz proc.

hi,
I am readin with interest your post on the UPX4PDA.....
where do I find this app and does it improve noticably the performance of the application??

UPX4PDA really no matter for RAM problem.
Because once you launch your apps, it self decrompress it into memory and restoring it's original size.
With this tool, you'll only gain spaces on ROM and maybe quickest launch.

Only space and no speed gain.
bozboz said:
UPX4PDA really no matter for RAM problem.
Because once you launch your apps, it self decrompress it into memory and restoring it's original size.
With this tool, you'll only gain spaces on ROM and maybe quickest launch.
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IGO 8

Hi i have igo 8 running smooth on artemis touch 4.02 no problems yet as i can see.

It Don't Work on B&B 4.3
But Work fine on Aje_fr 3.0b3

I have the Artemis Touch Vanilla 4.02 on board and everything is ok.
With 27MB free you can see all 3D-buildings, a.s.o.
greetings
peter

It's a bit bumpy on Artemis Touch 4.02 full with no cube, but it works OK.
Allso TomTom 7 works fine. What's the point of this thread?

look at this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2287847

Gwystyl said:
It's a bit bumpy on Artemis Touch 4.02 full with no cube, but it works OK.
Allso TomTom 7 works fine. What's the point of this thread?
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Hi
is tomtom 7 available for the PDA?

Tomtom7 is available for ARTEMIS
But this topic is for IGO8
Just a probleme in IGO8, because my time is not the same when I close the program
For example : my Artemis says it is 08:00 am (French hour), +1 GMT
I launch IGO, I close the program, and after, my Artemis indicates 07:00 am
It is configured on "Minsk" and not "Paris, Madrid".
I tried many things but nothing to do.
Anyone has an idea for this, please?

the same problem... but I think it caused downloaded version

thats a general bug in Igo8. It will be fixed with the next release.
Meanwhile just add to your sys.txt on Artemis and SD-Card follwogin entry:
[timezone]
sync_os_timezone=0
reset_os_timezone=0
this will help
regards.

Seems like it's working
Thanks for the tip.
However, same problem with sound which is deactived or high when closing the program.
Before launching Igo, my Artemis is set on "vibrate" and I lose this parameter after closing Igo...
Any other Idea?

TomTom7 vs Igo 8

Hi,
Anyone tested TomTom7 & IGO8 and is TT7 really that better in graphix in comparison with TT6?
Or is IGO8 still the best with the 3D Buildings?
Any comparisons welcome!
Cheers,
Innovator

iGo8
i didn't notice a big difference with TT7's graphics. but to be honestly,
i didn't use it for a long time....
i prefer iGo because
- single maps for each country
- text to speech (it tells you the streetnames)
- better graphics

petervbeck said:
i didn't notice a big difference with TT7's graphics. but to be honestly,
i didn't use it for a long time....
i prefer iGo because
- single maps for each country
- text to speech (it tells you the streetnames)
- better graphics
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But do you think that it will work well with artemis and his 200 MHz processor.
I read that the minimum CPU required was 300MHz.
Cheers

Innovator said:
Hi,
Anyone tested TomTom7 & IGO8 and is TT7 really that better in graphix in comparison with TT6?
Or is IGO8 still the best with the 3D Buildings?
Any comparisons welcome!
Cheers,
Innovator
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TT7 is more accurate when it comes to the speed cameras. But I don’t see an improvement in graphics.

Zecanilis said:
But do you think that it will work well with artemis and his 200 MHz processor.
I read that the minimum CPU required was 300MHz.
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it's running on my father's artemis and two work colleagues are using it also without any problems.

2 questions
Where can you get Igo 8 from??
Also, how do Igo and TT7 compare with Copilot? The good thing about Copilot is the free speed camera updates. I am using CP6 which works fine but isn't very pretty, and am thinking of upgrading to CP7, Igo or TT7 (cab from this site and buy a map)

Same question here, where to get IGO8?
Thx

petervbeck said:
it's running on my father's artemis and two work colleagues are using it also without any problems.
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Well i've tried igo 8 on my artemis and the result was not very nice because if you answer any call or want to use pda for any other reason igo will stop running and blocks pda. Same thing appened with igo 2006, for my sadness i was hopping to keep igo instead of tomtom but for that reason i've changed again to tomtom.

Oh I thought TomTom7's graphics improved dramatically, saw some screens, but I guess this was for the Navcore, not for pda's ?
Other question : where can you get the speedcam and other poi updates for IGO?
For TomTom i used POIEDIT (free updates)
Thanks,
Innovator

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Oh I thought TomTom7's graphics improved dramatically, saw some screens, but I guess this was for the Navcore, not for pda's ?
Other question : where can you get the speedcam and other poi updates for IGO?
For TomTom i used POIEDIT (free updates)
Thanks,
Innovator
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The menu’s in TT7 are better looking and more extended. But the navigation screen looks the same.
Gps connectivity is also better than TT6..

Innovator said:
Oh I thought TomTom7's graphics improved dramatically, saw some screens, but I guess this was for the Navcore, not for pda's ?
Other question : where can you get the speedcam and other poi updates for IGO?
For TomTom i used POIEDIT (free updates)
Thanks,
Innovator
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POIEDIT free updates?
Am I missing something? I've just had a look at the site and it's £20 including a year's updates. Isn't this the same as getting them from tomtom?

Graphics are not that much improved but it has far more functions than
TT6

TT7 versus IGO 8
TT7:
I think nearly nothing has changed. It's a little bit slower than the previous version.
The maps have a few more details.
IGO8:
If you really want to try this navi, you need a lot of free ram!
I have changed to Vanilla 4.02. And since that I have enough ram to
use IGO. Otherwise IGO is rather slow and unstable.
The advanced features (3d-buildings, a.s.o.) are also only available if you have
enough free ram!
The CPU is no problem - it works very smooth with my Artemis!
bye
peter

I think I'll stick to IGO8, best graphics (and it's not slow on my P3300 as some experience).
I used the latest Artemis Touch Lite (without cube) and now the the Oops Black, both fast enough.
For the person that thought poiedit was not free, see :
http://www.poiedit.com/downloads.htm
You can even update poi's through wifi directly from your P3300 (pocketpoi).
Just saw it also works with IGO8, so i'm going to re-install
Cheers,
Innovator
peter_fuchs1 said:
TT7:
I think nearly nothing has changed. It's a little bit slower than the previous version.
The maps have a few more details.
IGO8:
If you really want to try this navi, you need a lot of free ram!
I have changed to Vanilla 4.02. And since that I have enough ram to
use IGO. Otherwise IGO is rather slow and unstable.
The advanced features (3d-buildings, a.s.o.) are also only available if you have
enough free ram!
The CPU is no problem - it works very smooth with my Artemis!
bye
peter
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What is the right version of Tomtom 7 for Artemis:
the VGA one or QVGA one?
(I'm using Meschle Artemis touche 4.02)
Thank you for your reply
Cyril

Skyjouby said:
What is the right version of Tomtom 7 for Artemis:
the VGA one or QVGA one?
(I'm using Meschle Artemis touche 4.02)
Thank you for your reply
Cyril
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So what screen you have? VGA or QVGA? If you're running Meschle Artemis rom, I would say QVGA

I've currently installed TT6, TT7 and Igo8.
IMHO:
TT6:
stability: 10
easy to use: 10
response speed (menù): 8
response speed (navigation): 8
look&feel: 7
TT7:
stability: 10
easy to use: 10
response speed (menù): 8
response speed (navigation): 7
look&feel: 7
Igo8:
stabilty: 5-6 (at least on my artemis ... I think need some extra RAM)
easy to use: 7
response speed (menù): 8
response speed (navigation): 7
look&feel: 9
Bye

crash98 said:
I've currently installed TT6, TT7 and Igo8.
IMHO:
Igo8:
stabilty: 5-6 (at least on my artemis ... I think need some extra RAM)
easy to use: 7
response speed (menù): 8
response speed (navigation): 7
look&feel: 9
Bye
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I'm quite sure you need some extra RAM because here on my artemis iGo8 is as stable as a rock. iGo is known for needing quite a lot of RAM (at least 16mb if I remember correctly)

Bart1981 said:
I'm quite sure you need some extra RAM because here on my artemis iGo8 is as stable as a rock. iGo is known for needing quite a lot of RAM (at least 16mb if I remember correctly)
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I'm running MOSSI meets ANJA31-Diamond Style V1.0 WWE ROM that is very fast and stable.. more I've installed today agenda and some other... after an active sync session (exchange) available Ram drops to about 12 MB and then I can free other 2MB with hibernate... but hardly i can get more than 14-15 Mb. I've tried many roms (officials and cocked) with same results. Maybe unloanding HTC Home should help but for now I'm quite happy with this configuration.
Bye

running Artemis touch 4.02 lite without cube and installed igo8 yesterday.
what an awesome program, running very smooth. much better then tomtom6 or 7
small example, when ur called while in tomtom, u cant switch to speakermode because the callscreen goes away when u pickup. (u have to push the pickup button longer to switch) when u hang up tomtom sometimes wont come back.
With igo8 this problem is fixed. when u pickup u see the callscreen and igo8 still runs in the background giving u directions when u hang up igo comes back.

Manilla2d trinity resources hog?

Hi, everyone on the forum, I was wondering if you were having trouble making manilly2d work smoothly on your trinities. My trinity becomes relatively sluggish and free memory drops pretty soon. When trying to use gps software it locks, freezes etc. Same with Opera browser.
How are your Trinities handling great looking manilla2d?

Use one of the ROMs with Manila2D cooked into. Its far better than installing it afterwards.

chalid said:
Use one of the ROMs with Manila2D cooked into. Its far better than installing it afterwards.
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I Confirm!!!!

I was wondering if we could get Manilla running faster converting Manila2D.exe (1MB) or its dlls into module...

mosec said:
Hi, everyone on the forum, I was wondering if you were having trouble making manilly2d work smoothly on your trinities. My trinity becomes relatively sluggish and free memory drops pretty soon. When trying to use gps software it locks, freezes etc. Same with Opera browser.
How are your Trinities handling great looking manilla2d?
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ROMS with Manila cooked in work only slightly slower, not enough to bother me at all. I think it all depends on what 3rd party software you then install on top.
The trick is either finding a Manila ROM which more or less everything you need it already (like Ervius's ROMS) or naked ROMS which have only the minimum (like Chalid's ROMS).
Also, I recommend using Mpenguin14's "M2DC (Manilla 2D Customizer)" to get rid of the Manila tabs at that the bottom that you don't really need. This reduces memory consumption and therefore improves performance. Some cooks are putting it into their ROMS, but there is a cab you can download too: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427392
Mattster.

Thanks for all the advice I allready noticed beter performance with album and audio player tab turned off but nevertheless it seems slower.

mosec said:
Thanks for all the advice I allready noticed beter performance with album and audio player tab turned off but nevertheless it seems slower.
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I gave up on manilla and htc home. The clock can be replaced by PDC, weather by spb weather(there's probably a lighter solution though), app launcher by the start menu(people usually don't use a wide variety of apps, start menu can list the latest which will do just fine), sms/mms/calendar/tasks by the respective native plugins.
All the other apps are cute but useless, like, you already have a speed dial on the phone app, as for media just launch the respective apps.

manilla on trinity
Hi, I am happily running chalid's rom with Manilla2d - meaning that it runs correctly but can become quite slow (for example, A2DP skips if i keep wifi or other programs in the background). The problem, in my opinion, is not Manilla but...our trinity. The low amount of RAM makes any program which is consuming memory running slowly and/or lacking responsiveness. Try Igo8, for example, and plan a long route...this is true beyond manilla, and the less memory you have free, the more sluggish it becomes...
I came to the empirical conclusion that TNYYNT Roms are faster simply since he is keeping memory consumption/allocation low, and this is why Chalid's 0.8 is faster than any other manilla2d i've tried. For example, i was not able to run tomtom efficiently on ervius' rom - but it ALMOST works correctly with chalid's (which is based on TNYYNT as you know).
My conclusion: upgrade to touch HD ! it is the obvious way to improve the trinity: better screen, better CPU, better RAM....

lately i been using PDAviet ROM .44 and the manila user interface is relly fast and pleasant to use - the only think that I'm craving for is more RAM in the device
All is well if one application is running but have a few open and the sistem will complain
One thing that I see with this ROM is that if you start a memory intensive application - like opera 9 or your tube or tom tom it will close the ManilaUI temporarly and restart it automatically when you close the application so everything runs fast - but only one thing at the time

pzucchel said:
Chalid's 0.8 is faster than any other manilla2d i've tried. For example, i was not able to run tomtom efficiently on ervius' rom - but it ALMOST works correctly with chalid's (which is based on TNYYNT as you know).
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Hi Pzucchel.
Thanks for your advice the other day on sd cards.
I have a new Kingston 4GB Micro SD (SDHC) Card coming tomorrow and going to reinstall Tomtom 6 onto it. Then I have to pick a ROM! I love the Manila 2D interface, have tried practically all of the current ROMS, but I can't have Tomtom letting me down.
When you say Tomtom ALMOST works on Chalid's, what happened? Did it come out of the program half way through a journey?
And on Ervius' Rom... were you not even able to start Tomtom?
Mattster.

I switched back to a non manilla2d rom and my trinity is flying again! Windows are opening fast and overall performance is better, igo 8 works without crashing. Manilla looks great but I'm gonna hold back for now! Bye all

64M Ram a problem, but here is a work around
pzucchel has raised the main issue- it's not the code, the ROM the M2D or iGO8. Our Trinity is only 64M RAM, and with operating system, if we have 25-27M free RAM we are lucky. Running M2D will normally eat up 10M or so more. With careful memory management it will not slow down our phone. however it will not allow to have M2D as a today plug-in and run iGO8...
Having M2D in the cooked ROM helps a bit as far as speed (not significant) but will not help in memory management. So that was the *****ing part of the post. now let's have a work around. It is not a solution- yet it will allow us to enjoy M2D and iGO8 without getting crazy, and without a need to reset the phone 7 times a day...
1. Install a naked ROM. Look for ones that allow 25M free RAM after installation. There are few of them. If they are naked+M2D and leave 20M free, it is good enough. Having M2D in the ROM means no M2D updates possible. Having M2D installed manually means lots of work and a bit slower performance- each one knows what's best for himself.
2. install SKTOOLS 4.4.1 (Buy it! it worth the investment). Optimize to maximum memory. Our good old trinity works fast enough even with this setup. Also- turn shadow services on to free RAM. Don't mess up with anything else there. We are after more free RAM ONLY !
3. Install mToday. It's a small nifty free tool, that allows the user to switch easy between today plug-ins. Set M2D on one screen, and iGO8 on the 2nd one. Assign a key for mToday so by a push of a button you can switch M2D off and get iGO8 plug in on... For the lazy ones I am attaching it.
4. Make sure the following lines are in your sys.txt in the IGO8 folder. I mean the one in main memory under program files, not the SD folder, although for recovery purposes, make them both identical:
[debug]
cache=2048
reserve_memory=1500000
[navigation]
sim_speed_factor=3
True- it still will not allow using TTS , but that is kind of pushing the limits of the phone. I could use TTS if I turn the phone off, kill 3G and GPRS, push no mail, etc. but after all if I wanted a GPS device only, I could have bought one..
5. For TomTom users- same thing - kill M2D using mToday and keep running it. I did not try TT7 but TT6 was very much an easy run on the trinity, before I moved to iGO8.
Special thanks to the cookers, current and the ones who left this forum, for their dedication, time spent for this community, and insight. I am merely a tester, and I hope this post will make some other trinity users happy campers.
Cheers
BigE

I had no problems running the WWE evirus rom with M2D and Tomtom7

Mattster_spv said:
Hi Pzucchel.
Thanks for your advice the other day on sd cards.
I have a new Kingston 4GB Micro SD (SDHC) Card coming tomorrow and going to reinstall Tomtom 6 onto it. Then I have to pick a ROM! I love the Manila 2D interface, have tried practically all of the current ROMS, but I can't have Tomtom letting me down.
When you say Tomtom ALMOST works on Chalid's, what happened? Did it come out of the program half way through a journey?
And on Ervius' Rom... were you not even able to start Tomtom?
Mattster.
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I have no problem running tomtom7 and igo8 with chalid's 0.8rom.
but before i run igo, i have to close all running apps first.
like bigE mentioned, invest in SKTools. It's a great utility. I have its "free ram" apps as one of my shortcut. i always run it bfore i run any gps apps.

iGO8 and M2D- is it really running together?
rockuman_ex,
Yes, iGO may seem to work with while M2D is on, but, is it really? Here are some observations:
1. Choose to calculate a 1,000 mile away destination when they both are on - even with SKTOOLS I am running out of memory for iGO.
2. Have them both run, and try answering a call at the same time. Even with 1.5M reserved for 'non iGO' use in the sys.txt - most likely phone will freeze.
I have no experience with TT7. I have abandoned TT for iGO because I am travelling to destinations I could not have maps for TT in the TT6 era. I have got spolied by iGO and can't go back to TT, although I have to admit TT is making more sense for the trinity. But like all of us- I want it all...
I regretfully think that in the near future I will go with another HTC phone, waiting for AT&T to offer the HD here in the US. I have spent around $700 for the trini about 18 months ago, no realizing 64M will kill me so quick. Oh well- that is what we call experience, learning from mistakes...

BigE said:
rockuman_ex,
I regretfully think that in the near future I will go with another HTC phone, waiting for AT&T to offer the HD here in the US. I have spent around $700 for the trini about 18 months ago, no realizing 64M will kill me so quick....
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I'd say these days, 18 months with one phone is pretty good

WM6.5 Hermes and iGo 8??

I seem to be unable to run iGo 8 navigation software on WM6.5 on my Hermes.
I tried different (lite) ROMs but I keep running into memory errors.
iGo 8 will run fine after a hard reset, but as soon as I sync my contact with an exchange server (approx. 500 contacts) iGo will crash.
I really want to use iGo instead of TomTom cause I spend a lot of time in eastern europe and Tomtom has no good maps over there...
Anyone running iGo on WM6.5 and how????
Thanks

Hi drbrains,
I've running it on TAI's WWE V15. Never had any problems just installed, GPS configured and using it. I only have 200 contacts, using IContact. I've had a similar problem on older Roms running Manilla...

I have good experience with iGO 8
In order to get rid of memory problems, I delete 3D buildings leaving only maps. This allows me running iGO on my Hermes while many other apps are running with as low as 11Mb of free RAM before start.

Thanks guys!!!
I will install v15 right now, and I will delete the 3d buildings (I never see them anyway in my part of the world )
Edit:
Turns out I had to update from my 8.0.0 version to 8.3.2 and that solved my problems.