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AT&T Fortress

not sure where the ATT TP2 thread disappeared to, but i couldn't find it so im making a new thread.
On that old thread, their was a reveal of the Fortress, AT&T's version of the Touch Pro 2, with a funky keyboard.
I found something today that *might* suggest they are screwing it up *that* badly.
On Engadget, they show the T-Mobile version of the TP2 here...
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They also show it lower on the page, however the 2nd image has the color scheme of the earlier leaked Fortress with the red keyboard, which leads me to believe this 2nd photo might actually BE the fortress.
If you look closely at the red keyboard, you'll see its more like the original TP2 layout, only red.
What do you guys think?

I'm pretty sure the thread went quietly into the dark night since we all managed to beat the topic into a small pile of dust.
To reiterate:
The phone image is nothing more than a mockup.
The specifications next to the image of a four row keyboard SPECIFY a 5 row keyboard.
It was an internal document which is pretty much not subject to analysis since AT&T employees won't recognize the phone even after it's released and in their hands with a sticker telling them "THIS IS THE HTC FORTRESS".

looks like the tmobile touch pro 2 is mess up to look at the buttons under the screen it looks like it pops up making it look cheap

yea the way the T-MO's TP2 looks makes it look like some cheap LG phone. the buttons look too cheap.
it would be nice if AT&T actually followed the specifications set down by HTC, and kept the 5-row offset keyboard config. I don't really mind the red keyboard, I just want the 5-row offset.

i on the other hand kinda bothered by the red keyboard but i think the new layout is pretty cool but i do want them to have the keyboard spacing like the original rather than close like tilt and fuze. we just have to wait for the release or some sneak pic snap shot...either way im most likely gonna buy it.

well, the point of this topic isnt to yank out the dead horse that is if the other pic of the keyboard is real or not, but rather to question if the pic i posted, is the fortress, or the Wing 2. The article stated it was for T-mobile, but the color scheme, and the pic above it suggest otherwise.

the first pic that lyian posted looks like the t-mo version of the TP2. not only because it says t-mobile on the device but because hardware buttons on the front of the device resemble the ones in the pic I posted earlier.
I'm gonna get the phone either way, but like jtoyz2 said, I hope the keyboard is offset and spaced rather than close together like on the tilt and fuze. it just looks so much better spaced out like that!

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Look very closely at the image above... The color scheme is the same as the fortress leak below, BUT IT HAS 5 ROWS and they're offset.

poppinpengawen said:
yea the way the T-MO's TP2 looks makes it look like some cheap LG phone. the buttons look too cheap.
it would be nice if AT&T actually followed the specifications set down by HTC, and kept the 5-row offset keyboard config. I don't really mind the red keyboard, I just want the 5-row offset.
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lol ur right about the LG thing

Most important to me is:
when will it be available
Hope it start shipping soon !

i got some news from a friend of mine saying that the phone gonna release 6-8 weeks after the Iphone 3g S, because they dont want another similar (touch screen smartphone) to release in the same time frame as the iphone. Most likely sometime in August we should see it but before September for ATT. I cant wait just around the time that im due for a upgrade.

Too bad.
It was forecasted for June.
So more 2 months of wait.
I would buy today.
...
(eternally waiting for the perfect device)

arliss said:
Too bad.
It was forecasted for June.
So more 2 months of wait.
I would buy today.
...
(eternally waiting for the perfect device)
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I am with you, I have ready and able since March

ktdan1 said:
I am with you, I have ready and able since March
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Ditto
I think I might keep my options open though. If an Android phone surprisingly comes to ATT before the TP2, I think I might go with that.
Unless someone can convince me otherwise...

I read somewhere that the first android device coming out for AT&T is the lancaster?? I don't know for sure tho. I saw a spread sheet that was similar to what everyone saw when the "fortress" was unveiled, and it had "AT&T at the bottom right corner. but cmon, a 2.8 inch QVGA screen??

I saw an ATT TP2 in the wild
Hey all,
Well I saw an AA&T branded Touch Pro 2 on the weekend. The Guy that has it works for HTC in the USA and it looked exactly the same as the HTC version, (not red) with the AT&T branding on it. He said release wont be until Aug, which falls in line with the delay due to the IPhone 3GS release, he thought AT&T where going to be the last of the USA carries to release.
Just my 2 cents worth

draakon said:
Hey all,
Well I saw an AA&T branded Touch Pro 2 on the weekend. The Guy that has it works for HTC in the USA and it looked exactly the same as the HTC version, (not red) with the AT&T branding on it. He said release wont be until Aug, which falls in line with the delay due to the IPhone 3GS release, he thought AT&T where going to be the last of the USA carries to release.
Just my 2 cents worth
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i got the same news any chance you can snap a picture for us...

draakon said:
Hey all,
Well I saw an AA&T branded Touch Pro 2 on the weekend. The Guy that has it works for HTC in the USA and it looked exactly the same as the HTC version, (not red) with the AT&T branding on it. He said release wont be until Aug, which falls in line with the delay due to the IPhone 3GS release, he thought AT&T where going to be the last of the USA carries to release.
Just my 2 cents worth
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That's great news! Just to clarify, when you say it looked exactly the same as the HTC version, you mean that it had the full 5 row qwerty and not the number pad on the side, right?
Also, did you happen to notice if it had a front facing camera?
Thanks.

I don't think our model will have the front-facing camera on it, since AT&T doesn't support video calling at the moment. but maybe, cos of all the rumors that video calling might become available for the iphone...why not the TP2???
and that's great news that it looks like the HTC branded model!!! +1 on evermore, how did the keyboard look???

draakon said:
Hey all,
Well I saw an AA&T branded Touch Pro 2 on the weekend. The Guy that has it works for HTC in the USA and it looked exactly the same as the HTC version, (not red) with the AT&T branding on it. He said release wont be until Aug, which falls in line with the delay due to the IPhone 3GS release, he thought AT&T where going to be the last of the USA carries to release.
Just my 2 cents worth
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I would love to see a pic, if you can get one, as well.

Is the Rhodium The TMobile US TP2?

i have a tmobile TP2 and im curious to see what ROMS are compatible with my phone so far. Im assuming this is the same TP2 as the European one? Mine doesnt look anything like the picture for the Rhodium section here.
If im in the wrong part of town id appreciate some directions....

XL4T3R4LU5X said:
i have a tmobile TP2 and im curious to see what ROMS are compatible with my phone so far. Im assuming this is the same TP2 as the European one? Mine doesnt look anything like the picture for the Rhodium section here.
If im in the wrong part of town id appreciate some directions....
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Its the TP2. T-mobile thought it would be a good idea to design their own case for the TP2. So you say you have a TP2 for the US...interesting...where did you get it?

I have a T-Mobile USA TP2 aswell, unfortunately since there is no HardSPL available atm there are no roms to flash. I still haven't decided whether the design change was a good choice on T-Mobile's part and makes me wish they tinkered a bit more and added a 3.5mm jack

you both have a USA T-mobile Tp2? wtf, how?

quezpr123 said:
Its the TP2. T-mobile thought it would be a good idea to design their own case for the TP2. So you say you have a TP2 for the US...interesting...where did you get it?
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I work for Tmo. I was fortunate enough to aquire a TP2 as well as a myTouch about 3 weeks ago. Im one of the "myTouch Champions" (sales reps selected to own the device before launch to increase excitement about the device)
And i attended a HTC event a couple weeks ago and out of about 50 people there, 5 of us walked out with TP2's. Needless to say i was pretty stoked
Both great devices, but im hoping to get WM 6.5 on the TP2 asap, unless theres anything better floating around out there.
As for the myTouch, i gather that were pretty close to finding a way to root it, so im looking forward to that

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Nice!
Just wait for HardSPL and then you should see the floodgate open with lots of ROM, including 6.5WM and probably with TouchFlo 2.5.
Any GSM rom should be compatible with the ATT Forteress,T-Mo TP2 and Europe's T7373.

sweet, i cant wait. Does the TP2 need to be "rooted" like the G1? The extent of my knowledge is based on the experience i have with that. Im assuming the TP2 isnt linux based like the G1 so im assuming the whole process is quite different.

That is amazingly cool! Is there any chance you can post a picture of the back of the phone? I'm really curious to see what they've done to the camera/speakerphone side.
Also as a heads up I noticed a couple of people on Ebay selling the TMobile version and am wondering how they got theirs already or if they are scams?

Yeah quite different.
The HardSPL is needed to let you flash any ROM from anyone. Normally you would be restricted to T-Mo's Rom.
I'm not the best to explain everything and frankly I don't fully understand every details but I can point you to some very interesting read that should get you started/prepared for the nice journey ahead =)
What's a SPL
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SPL Questions?
How to flash your phone ( !! For touch pro 1 !!) should be very similar for TP2!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448008
Enjoy

By the way, have there been any reviews detailing the differences between the European and TMobile versions? Did the TMobile version get extra/different features and/or buttons? Did it get the headphone jack?

coscom said:
That is amazingly cool! Is there any chance you can post a picture of the back of the phone? I'm really curious to see what they've done to the camera/speakerphone side.
Also as a heads up I noticed a couple of people on Ebay selling the TMobile version and am wondering how they got theirs already or if they are scams?
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here ya go
as far as the camera and speakerphone, both are good, i wish they would have gone for a 5MP at least tho. 3.2 is getting kind of antiquated.
The speakerphone as an awesome feature, while on a call when you place the phone down, speaker facing up, it automatically goes to speakerphone, and turns off when you pick it back up, very cool!
also it locks the screen when you place the phone to your ear, and unlocks it as you pull it away.
theres a lot of little neat features they threw in there, not sure if this is old news or not, im more of an android guy. for now...
as for the ebay listings, who knows, when i got mine, i had to sign a letter agreeing that i wouldnt sell it, or let anyone else have it. if any of those listings are from tmo reps, they need to watch their ass, tmo is tracking the IMEI's of these and knows who has them. im not looking for that kind of trouble, and i like my job.

coscom said:
By the way, have there been any reviews detailing the differences between the European and TMobile versions? Did the TMobile version get extra/different features and/or buttons? Did it get the headphone jack?
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im not familiar with the Euro version but the US version has the following buttons; 4 on the front (talk,home,back,end), volume up and down, speakerphone mute on the back, and power on the top. still no 3.5, just mini usb, but thats nothing those handy dandy power/3.5 adapters can fix

Is that still running WM 6.1, or does it have 6.5? Some Verizon person on Engadget said the Verizon test units were running 6.1 and didn't have a 3.5mm jack, but the final production versions would have 6.5 and a 3.5mm jack so maybe the t-mobile models will be similar (retail model will have 3.5, maybe). Of course, maybe not...

It's running 6.1 for sure.
First HTC with winmo 6.5 will be the Tachi.
MS stated that if a phone has the windows button, it will get 6.5 upgrade.
Anyway nothing a cooked ROM can't fix.
Edit: Oh and forget about 3.5mm on this one. So far only CDMA device and maybe one Australian Carier will have 3.5mm

I too have the T-mobile TP2
It currently runs on Windows Mobile 6.1...how long or what is the process of getting the HardSPL??

labbbby said:
It's running 6.1 for sure.
First HTC with winmo 6.5 will be the Tachi.
MS stated that if a phone has the windows button, it will get 6.5 upgrade.
Anyway nothing a cooked ROM can't fix.
Edit: Oh and forget about 3.5mm on this one. So far only CDMA device and maybe one Australian Carier will have 3.5mm
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Yeah but apparently prototype Verizon units don't have the 3.5mm either, but the final production ones will (according to all current rumors) so that can definitely change.

yes its on 6.1. i asked the HTC rep about 6.5 and he told me ultimately it will be up to tmo whether a update of 6.5 will be pushed to the handsets after launch. and from what he alluded to, tmo us will more than likely be getting a different device with 6.5 sometime before or around the end of the year.
it does not have a 3.5, and will not have a 3.5, the model i have is the final production model. it came in the tmo branded packaging and all so im sure they wont be changing anything.

can you give us an official release date for the tmobile version?

neva dinova said:
can you give us an official release date for the tmobile version?
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im 99% sure its Aug 12.

Do you think AT&T will do the same as S2?

I am due for an upgrade but think I am going to wait to see if AT&T does the same thing with the S3 that they did with the S2. Do you think they will release an updated version like the skyrocket was but for the S3?
Just thought I would get some opinions.

I don't see why not, if you wait long enough you might as well wait for the S4. It will be at least 6-7 months before you see another version of this phone if not longer.

There is an enterprise version coming in July with no hardware changes.
http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s3-safe-us-95699/
I don't think they would release another version, otherwise if you wait till october Iam sure the new Nexus will be out.

fryboy3k said:
I am due for an upgrade but think I am going to wait to see if AT&T does the same thing with the S3 that they did with the S2. Do you think they will release an updated version like the skyrocket was but for the S3?
Just thought I would get some opinions.
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New phones come out weekly seems like, so yes there will always something new coming ... but as fast as gs2 and skyrocket I doubt it ... Samsung seems to be pushing this phone alot harder than those others if u think about it, releasing all us models on basically the same day, not changing the look from international version, a red one coming to at&t .... I think next new thing will be another Google built phone with jelly bean on it within 3 months ...and new iPhone within same time frame .. but Samsung going to collect some serious money on this one before release new one
my opinion...

Of course new phones come out every few weeks and the new nexus should be out in the fourth quarter, will it come to AT&T would be the next question. But to stay on topic, I wanted to know if only a month would be between the release, but they have done a much better job releasing it this time, not the 6 month difference like the S2. So it seems that Samsung will keep this as the highest-end for awhile.
So at least it will be a little more than a month before the phone is outdated.

Highly doubt that att will carry the new nexus at its launch.
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The only reason the skyrocket was released was because of the new LTE network, they needed more phones to support it, so no, I doubt there is going to be a skyrocket S3.

The Note 2 may be the next big Samsung phone on AT&T.

I never considered a skyrocket a upgrade other than the fact it was lte. I liked my s2 more than my rocket. I'm in love wit my s3 tho
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There wont be an updated version of this phone.
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This is the first smartphone to do what crApple did with the iPhone...
Release the same version, same design, same name, on all carriers.
And...this is the first time it has happened on all 4 carriers at relatively the same time (thanks Verizon).
This is a historic moment for Android and Samsung - and the beginning of a new chapter for both companies.
[WayOffTopicRant]Dare I say another step towards the end of Apple (I hate that company!). I know that is a LONG way off, but I want so badly to see them go. Such a bad company in general, so anti-American, and a hipocritical message. I would swear that Steve Jobs made a deal with the devil if I believed in that sort of thing.[/WayOffTopicRant]

But does everyone think samsung will continue to make the flagship android phone now that google owns Motorola Mobility? Why acquire a fair sized mobile phone maker and not use it. Unless of course the move was just one more step in the no way beneficial to the end user patent war between google and apple.

fryboy3k said:
I am due for an upgrade but think I am going to wait to see if AT&T does the same thing with the S3 that they did with the S2. Do you think they will release an updated version like the skyrocket was but for the S3?
Just thought I would get some opinions.
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The Skyrocket wasn't really an updated version. It was just another version of it with LTE. It had a larger screen (not always a good thing) and a worse processor.
So in other words....no. This phone is running on AT&T's LTE network, and LTE was why they released the Skyrocket.

I think you hit the nail on the head in thinking that it was for patents. Especially since a judge just dismissed some of Apples claims over Motorola. Google will now have a platform to work on phone OS and HW now.
Personally, I feel Motorola always made the ugliest of the phones, but if the flagship for them someday becomes the Nexus manufacturer and everyone else does their own things like Galaxy S series and HTC One series it will be good.
We shall see, but from what it looks like to me is Android is here to stay, Samsung and others will continue to support it as long as we buy it, and Moto will be Google's chance to bring out stock only phones in the future.

Skyrocket was announced a week after I got my sgs2. I opted to stay with it. Skyrocket was one of the first lte phones. There is nothing that can be added to the sgs3 that it doesn't already have. Except maybe the 32gig version.
Note 2 will be out in October.
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[WayOffTopicRant]Dare I say another step towards the end of Apple (I hate that company!). I know that is a LONG way off, but I want so badly to see them go. Such a bad company in general, so anti-American, and a hipocritical message. I would swear that Steve Jobs made a deal with the devil if I believed in that sort of thing.[/WayOffTopicRant]
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There's a lot of apple haters out there and after ggetting this amazing s3, I have to say I know why. But at the end of the day apple's products are by no way bad, and they are an American company while Samsung is Korean and I want to root for my own country.

themightycat said:
There's a lot of apple haters out there and after ggetting this amazing s3, I have to say I know why. But at the end of the day apple's products are by no way bad, and they are an American company while Samsung is Korean and I want to root for my own country.
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IPhones are made in China.
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There's a lot of apple haters out there and after ggetting this amazing s3, I have to say I know why. But at the end of the day apple's products are by no way bad, and they are an American company while Samsung is Korean and I want to root for my own country.
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Apple makes products in China. Apple the company is rooted in America but it has given nothing back to the US. No charitable donations, no give back programs, no student help, etc.
Samsung Telecommunications of America is a US based company too. They have numerous charities they give to. Sponsor many US based programs and like Microsoft give back a huge portion to the US citizens in donations.
If you want to root for the US buy Samsung. I know it sounds funny but Samsung Electronics of America is a US company. STA is a US company. Only the parent company is Korean.
I will always support the US company that gives back when it can. I am all for making a profit, but what a company does with that profit is what truly matters. Apple swallows it, Samsung gives it back.
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Oh, My God! I'm getting the update! (NOT!)

I just called AT&T and gave them hell about the lack of progress on the Marshmallow update. Asked how much it would cost to close my account. Miraculously; I was forwarded to a tech support person with an IQ just North of a bedroom slipper. She forced the update to my phone. I'm past the download and my apps are optimizing. Incredible! Before I post, I'm going to wait to be sure, but it looks like I'm getting the Big M! 8 more apps to go! 1 more. Holding breath. BS! Don't know what it actually did, but still on 5.11. Time for the big guns. Stay tuned.

Just north of a bedroom slipper. Thats hilarious.
??????

Big News! AT&T Are Liars!
I called back and spoke to another Golgi apparatus who denied that they ever said that. My, how his toned changed when I started playing back the conversation from Total Recall. He proceeded to tell me that I could pay an ETF of $350.00. I told him that based on the recorded lies that they told me; I DARED them to try to collect. Never mind - just more AT&T BS. {Sigh!}

Sorry. "Just North of a bedroom slipper" and "Golgi apparatus" were complements for these oxygen thieves. Maggots is placing them in high regard. AT&T customer since 1985, and this is how I'm treated? I'm dropping them like a used rubber. Don't have any better "smoking gun" solutions since I travel internationally a good bit; but, I'll cut off my nose to spite AT&T at this point. (Extremely foul language omitted)

Sometimes I think to my self, how fun would of been if this device would of been root able? Big-time developers would be on this specific forum. Idk but lately I've been complementing on wether to give att another chance or split to tmobile
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Sorry that happened, it's the worst when you get your hopes up only to have them dashed.
Highly unlikely that att would push out an update to a single user, some of us have been trying to get beta releases for years. Unfortunately, we just have to wait.

So help me; she SWORE that they were already rolling it out (another lie), but I wasn't in the queue yet, and I'd be receiving it soon. She was such a polished liar that it takes my breath away. Then, she gave me the schmoozing touch by saying "Well, you're such a valued customer that I'm going to go ahead and push it to your phone." Eloquent liar. She said "Look at the top of your screen and tell me what you see?" I saw the diagonal arrows that only mean one thing. I was ecstatic! I told her: " I can't believe you were able to do it that fast!" She poured it on even thicker by saying "Now, wait with me for a little bit to make sure it goes through." Sucker!!! I waited until it had gotten to the 100% point and was prompted by the phone to end my call to finish the update. I thanked her profusely, and hung up.
I'm sure they were slapping their knees after I got off the phone with them. The phone went through the expected gyrations with the progress bar, optimizing apps, rebooting, etc. When it finished recycling; there was the all too familiar screen again. My heart was beating like a rabbits. I went to the phone info, and sure enough... Still Lollipop! SUCKER! I felt like Curly from The Three Stooges after Moe just double poked him in the eyes.
Now; I'm pissed. But, being the weekend, I realize that the only person to answer their phone is Hajji over in India, so that's a waste of time. So; my choices are: Stay with AT&T and continue to have nearly seamless international roaming, or cut my throat and go with Verizon - just to match my domestic coverage - (Same high price, same obstinance, but little to no international coverage, same hardware restrictions), or go with a lone wolf like T-Mobile - or worse - Sprint.
Deflated.

stay with At&t but never buy phones from them. nexus is the way to go my friend.

OP, I honestly cannot tell if you are for real.

Oh; trust me; I'm real. And, everything - virtually everything happened exactly the way I said it. It would be hard to make that one up.
As for the Nexus; I've considered that. Perhaps my timing's been bad, but I'm a little underwhelmed by the Nexus phones that I've seen. Especially without Mini-SD cards. It seems like there's always some stranglehold. I've been a Sammy fan for about 4 years now. The previous one was the Note 3 that I purchased outright from AT&T. Root eventually made it's way to it, but I jumped when the Note 5 came out without the SD card slot, and no removable battery. I panicked and snatched up the Note 4. Big mistake.
I wish there was a way to purchase an unlocked, unbranded Samsung Note that would work seamlessly on AT&T, allow updates without the bloat, and let me do what I wanted to do with what I bought. It defies logic.

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Oh; trust me; I'm real. And, everything - virtually everything happened exactly the way I said it. It would be hard to make that one up.
As for the Nexus; I've considered that. Perhaps my timing's been bad, but I'm a little underwhelmed by the Nexus phones that I've seen. Especially without Mini-SD cards. It seems like there's always some stranglehold. I've been a Sammy fan for about 4 years now. The previous one was the Note 3 that I purchased outright from AT&T. Root eventually made it's way to it, but I jumped when the Note 5 came out without the SD card slot, and no removable battery. I panicked and snatched up the Note 4. Big mistake.
I wish there was a way to purchase an unlocked, unbranded Samsung Note that would work seamlessly on AT&T, allow updates without the bloat, and let me do what I wanted to do with what I bought. It defies logic.
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Only optio. U have for an unbranded one os international version

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Only optio. U have for an unbranded one os international version
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Likely has no warranty I the states, and difficult to get, many are sold as 910f but are 910a with a system mod applied via odin to make it look like an 910f...

OK, I'll bite. You really didn't know that the ATT associates don't know when any update will occur? You really wasted all this time and energy and anger over this? That is why I smell a troll; everyone knows this, and it has been reiterated a thousand times. The fact is they simply do not know.

Think what you want. I'm not trying to impress you or anyone else. I'm venting my frustration and experience.
Now; if she'd told me that the update would hit at a certain time; I'd have taken it with a grain of salt. But, the way she schmoozed me; I bought hook, line, and sinker. Not to mention all of the speculation on this board that the update was immanent; I thought I'd hit the goldmine. That's what pisses me off. I'll be more than happy to post the recording (~10MB) of the 47 minute conversation - if you have the time to waste listening to it.
And, no; I'm not going to roll the dice on an international - or any other illegitimate phone - in the hopes that I can get what I paid for. That's just another frustration. It would be like buying a fancy Dell computer with a 3TB HD, but they installed 1.5TB of bloatware on the drive and if you took it off; your computer would crash.
OK, I'm done.

I have been an AT&T customer since 96. My first smartphone was the Sony x10a, loved it. Then I saw an ad in a magazine for the ion lt28at. I knew 6 months before the 6 AT&T employees(1 per month) that AT&T was getting it. I "chat" with AT&T about every 2 weeks to see if there's any info when updates are supposed to be released. Occasionally one will act like they have the inside scoop, usually, like with the ion, they're as clueless as we are. I fallen victim to false hope, I'm sure many of us have. Yes, AT&T sucks when it comes to updates and bloat, but I will tell you this, every single time I've had an issue they've done everything they can to make me happy. To me that goes a long way towards keeping my brand loyalty. AT&T is a pretty solid company and would have to do something much worse than delaying updates to lose my business.
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yes they can push updates to individual devices, because i called as asked to have that done with the latest security patch, and the person asked me for my IMEI and told me it would take a couple of hours, sure enough within that time I had the notification for the security update.

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stay with At&t but never buy phones from them. nexus is the way to go my friend.
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I agree. I have a contract that was supposed to allow me to upgrade phones every two years. I went in and was told that they don't do upgrades anymore even if it is in your contract. Which means I have to pay that price on my bill and not get the benefit of it. They very eagerly offered to take that off my bill but it would kill my unlimited data. Why in the hell would I buy a phone from them if I can get one that is not locked down for the same price?

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Looks like another security update. I guess this means MM is a ways off.
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It's a dead topic in my opinion. We all know that AT&T's customer service is horrible and will tell you anything. What I found so insulting was the level of deceit that they went to convince me that I was going to get the update. Shouldn't be surprised. That's why I record theirs and a few other companies phone calls to confront them when they don't live up to what was promised. I still find it incredible!
So; I'm stuck with AT&T, or another carrier that's as bad or worse. It's a shame. I used to be able to count on AT&T as fulfilling their promises. My experience over the past couple of years is that you roll the dice, and HOPE you get what was promised. I suppose that's the only option. Their management could care less.
I'm done with this topic. Feel free to rant - which was my purpose - it seems to have no effect on them. They know your options are limited.

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It's a dead topic in my opinion. We all know that AT&T's customer service is horrible and will tell you anything. What I found so insulting was the level of deceit that they went to convince me that I was going to get the update. Shouldn't be surprised. That's why I record theirs and a few other companies phone calls to confront them when they don't live up to what was promised. I still find it incredible!
So; I'm stuck with AT&T, or another carrier that's as bad or worse. It's a shame. I used to be able to count on AT&T as fulfilling their promises. My experience over the past couple of years is that you roll the dice, and HOPE you get what was promised. I suppose that's the only option. Their management could care less.
I'm done with this topic. Feel free to rant - which was my purpose - it seems to have no effect on them. They know your options are limited.
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Why wont you go buy a T-mobile phone and unlock the sim for use on at&t. Get your root, custom roms, updates.... i have a t-mobile Samsung s5 also Note 4 and finally Note Edge, all rooted and custom roms. All working on AT&T straight talk network. I can update to custom MM right now if i wished.
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so much for carrier updates

well according to 3uk it's in testing and will be several weeks, had it with a phone with a beta os and razer's hollow promises of swift updates picking up an s9+ next month this can get given to nephew, sorely disappointed I bought on the strength of my desktop peripherals and blade pro this phone falls well short of razer's standards in build quality and software support, 8know it's there first phone but first impressions count you can't put out a half rough product in today's market it's too competitive.
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Did Three Support tell you this? (The several weeks point) I haven't been able to get any information.

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Did Three Support tell you this? (The several weeks point) I haven't been able to get any information.
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Yes and not happy about it either
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Yes and not happy about it either View attachment 4400907
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That is the carrier fault not the oem. You will t have any better luck with Samsung. They are normally the last oem to update devices.

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That is the carrier fault not the oem. You will t have any better luck with Samsung. They are normally the last oem to update devices.
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I've owned Samsung's since the S2 and generally they are 99.9 finished and working out the box build quality is getting better every release this is a first phone for razer in a competitive market , they promised fast updates where are they these were to address known software problems on the phone at release, razer support won't answer anything on phones fixes, and this product falls way short of the usual razer standard , at launch min himself said razer would be handling all the updates there was no mention of the carrier's providing them especially since 3 are probably one of the worst carriers for updates usually being the last to release any.
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nexy33 said:
I've owned Samsung's since the S2 and generally they are 99.9 finished and working out the box build quality is getting better every release this is a first phone for razer in a competitive market , they promised fast updates where are they these were to address known software problems on the phone at release, razer support won't answer anything on phones fixes, and this product falls way short of the usual razer standard , at launch min himself said razer would be handling all the updates there was no mention of the carrier's providing them especially since 3 are probably one of the worst carriers for updates usually being the last to release any.
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I give you a bit of advice. Never believe what you are told.

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I give you a bit of advice. Never believe what you are told.
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so razer has sold us a lemon then, you can't stand on a stage make promises and beat your chest don't deliver and expect not to get crap for it, if they don't start rolling things out at a better pace won't matter if there is a razer phone 2 it'll bomb and the twats still doing it on Twitter
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nexy33 said:
so razer has sold us a lemon then, you can't stand on a stage make promises and beat your chest don't deliver and expect not to get crap for it, if they don't start rolling things out at a better pace won't matter if there is a razer phone 2 it'll bomb and the twats still doing it on Twitter
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All of them do it. Like my brother has gone through 4 s8 and 2 s8+ from Samsung due to them not working properly. Every oem has the same issues. Buying the first device from a new oem is expected to have issues.

nexy33 said:
so razer has sold us a lemon then, you can't stand on a stage make promises and beat your chest don't deliver and expect not to get crap for it, if they don't start rolling things out at a better pace won't matter if there is a razer phone 2 it'll bomb and the twats still doing it on Twitter
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I just wanted to say one thing here. In the USA I didn't have a carrier option. I had to buy it from Razer. Did Razer sell you a lemon or did Three? Having the "non carrier" phone got me an extra update and my hardware and software both work buttery smooth. I suspect a lot of the fun you guys are having has something to do with Three.

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I just wanted to say one thing here. In the USA I didn't have a carrier option. I had to buy it from Razer. Did Razer sell you a lemon or did Three? Having the "non carrier" phone got me an extra update and my hardware and software both work buttery smooth. I suspect a lot of the fun you guys are having has something to do with Three.
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it has but at the launch event all updates were stated as coming from razer, I'll still buy their desktop kit and blade laptops but I'm not going near their phones, 3 are the worst at deployment of phone updates this is the first carrier phone I've had in 20 years as it was the only way I could guarantee the special edition which turns out to be a sticker [emoji23][emoji23] as soon as the pre orders are up for the s9+ I'll be ordering one.
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it has but at the launch event all updates were stated as coming from razer, I'll still buy their desktop kit and blade laptops but I'm not going near their phones, 3 are the worst at deployment of phone updates this is the first carrier phone I've had in 20 years as it was the only way I could guarantee the special edition which turns out to be a sticker [emoji23][emoji23] as soon as the pre orders are up for the s9+ I'll be ordering one.
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If your updates are coming from Razer then why is Three stating they are testing the update? Your problems are coming from Three

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If your updates are coming from Razer then why is Three stating they are testing the update? Your problems are coming from Three
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razer were the ones at the launch event who announced all updates we coming from them, if they had stated carrier's would be handling them then I wouldn't have gotten it from 3, they are my carrier but sim only as they are about the only mobile provider that does unlimited data I get excellent coverage from them 4g 120mb down and 40 mb up but I wouldn't normally take a handset from them but like I said only way to get a special edition 3 are the cause but razer were less than transparent with the facts. now they refuse to answer any problems with the phone either about build quality or software 8ssues the posts about it on the official forums have a habit of vanishing.
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Samsung.... One of the leaders in weapon technology, so you buy Samsung you bomb someone

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Samsung.... One of the leaders in weapon technology, so you buy Samsung you bomb someone
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ex military so that's not gonna lose me any sleep [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
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ex military so that's not gonna lose me any sleep [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
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Touché.

nexy33 said:
razer were the ones at the launch event who announced all updates we coming from them, if they had stated carrier's would be handling them then I wouldn't have gotten it from 3, they are my carrier but sim only as they are about the only mobile provider that does unlimited data I get excellent coverage from them 4g 120mb down and 40 mb up but I wouldn't normally take a handset from them but like I said only way to get a special edition 3 are the cause but razer were less than transparent with the facts. now they refuse to answer any problems with the phone either about build quality or software 8ssues the posts about it on the official forums have a habit of vanishing.
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I could see this happening tbh as soon as it came out Three were responsible for the updates.
Don't get me wrong I kinda have remorse getting rid of the razer phone, (I had to RMA and just didn't trust the other on to be flawless so sold it ) I really wanted to help Razer with the phone so much and the Devs are fantastic especially Alex but even min told me on twitter updates wouldn't be held back (and they are now it's 2 behind). Guess there had to be a reason it was cheaper to buy from three.

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I could see this happening tbh as soon as it came out Three were responsible for the updates.
Don't get me wrong I kinda have remorse getting rid of the razer phone, (I had to RMA and just didn't trust the other on to be flawless so sold it ) I really wanted to help Razer with the phone so much and the Devs are fantastic especially Alex but even min told me on twitter updates wouldn't be held back (and they are now it's 2 behind). Guess there had to be a reason it was cheaper to buy from three.
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If updates are important then never get it from a carrier. This is well known. They interfere too much.

If we in three don't receive these 2 missing updates in one shot then I'm going to rebuy the phone again directly from razer and sell this three phone.
It certainly is evident why there was so much cheaper. Wish I'd been able to wait the 2 week shipping time from razer themselves - to me in the UK rather then going for the next day delivery from three. Absolute [email protected]@rd$!

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If updates are important then never get it from a carrier. This is well known. They interfere too much.
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It is well known yeah but when the CEO says that we won't have to wait for Three youd think that answer would be true but it made me question does he actually know what's going on in his own software team?
I mean even factory images haven't been released yet so people can attempt to make their unit a razer one.
Also for what it's worth for people my RMA unit was another Three branded one so Razer do in fact have Three units for replacement.

Bit upset on the speed of these updates i still blame three and wish i could re image my phone to Razers Stock Image rather than Three's image.
What would be different if the build would be changed whats so special about Three's version as i can only assume Three related features like wifi calling and that