Sorry for the noobish question, but I just got a S621, and I'm trying to figure out why Internet Explorer doesn't seem to have an exit option.
Please tell me there's a way to exit without resorting to the task manager.
Because Microsoft seems to think you want to leave most of their apps running all the time LOL
Use Task Manager to close it when you are done.
Gah. I was afraid that would be the answer. I wonder why they do this on a phone with such limited memory. And whats the point of keeping the apps resident when there's no task switcher? I suppose the recent programs partly serves this function, but it doesn't show which apps are running.
Quite the opposite to Apple's approach - not allowing apps to stay resident on the iPhone, which I believe has at least double the RAM of the s620 & a much faster CPU.
By the way, are there any freeware alternatives to IE that do not require server-based rendering?
Opera Mini.
Download opera mini from the usefull apps post. Its truly amazing.
I still have IE there for certain things like thestreamcenter.com so it knows im on a mobile phone. I use celetask shortcutted to the Tmobile key(nrg rom) to kill it and regain lost ram.
If you are using the tmobile rom I suggest switching off it as fast as you can.
Good Luck.
I'm using the 3VO 6.5 rom. I've used Opera mini before (while traveling in India & China) & I agree it's great, but I'm looking for a browser that renders pages natively, without connecting to a proxy. Is there any freeware one besides IE?
Also, what's the best way to map a button to the task manager with the 3VO 6.5 rom?
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Also, what's the best way to map a button to the task manager with the 3VO 6.5 rom?
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I thought it was the red t button on the bottom right of the phone. Thats if your using the same 3vo 6.5 as me...
There's Opera Mobile which isn't freeware but probably the best given the phone's limited memory. Apart from that the options are limited - Iris (free) which is based on WebKit is the other option that is a native browser (not through a proxy) but it's designed for a phone with at least twice as much memory really, so although it'll run, once you start hitting large pages it runs out of memory rapidly. Which is a shame because it's nice.
I use Opera mini unless I absolutely have to use a native browser (e.g. for logging into a wireless hotspot, Intranet etc.). It's remarkable just how fast it renders pages!
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helo all
What is the best and the fast internet browser for HTC Universal using 3G connections ...
anyone have an experience ??
cheers..
If you ask me, Opera 8.60 and Netfront 3.3 are the only two contenders in this area.
After having extensively evaluated both of them I have put my money on the Netfront 3.3 now available in commercial versions
Regards
i hv used both of them. Opera provides the fastest internet experience and also the best internet experince. Pages get loaded pretty quickly
Hi kdskamal,
I absolutely agree with you that page loading in Opera 8.60 is faster than on Netfront 3.3. Furthermore the page rendering on Opera is also closer to the desktop experience. But one thing which made me opt for Netfront 3.3 is that if you load really large pages then the scrolling gets really slow and almost unusable. For example try the site www.pocketpcdubai.com and you will notice the difference.
The other thing which made me prefer Netfront 3.3 is the fact that this is the only browser whcih can handle file attachments at the Hotmail site. Finally support for flash objects was again another plus for me to buy netfront.
Regards
Opera seems to provide the best functionality and performance.
If you want to preserve Microsoft integration and services, stick with IE, but you will suffer from sluggish performance and minimal features.
Catch 22
If someone gets me an open source, I can build an awesome browser :lol:
Opera 8.6 is highly recommended
Preferably with a registry hack to act like IE6 (I use Tweaks2K) to ensure that you can still do all the secure stuff. The registry hack just allows you to load pages that may be a little strict about what browsers can view them.
I just installed Opera, and works great. Only pda pages will be shown very small, but that's why there's a zoom function. :lol:
The only thing is that the LogMeIn plugin you have to install for using this function doesn't seem to work with Opera, only on Microsoft IE or is it just me again???
Of the two (Opera and Netfront), I prefer the new Netfront 3.3 - install a narrow font on your Universal, and you can render all pages comfortably in the normal screen area. The stylesheet support is definitely the more complete, which gives perfect page layouts every time. Opera seems a bit quicker, but I find the occasional inability to tap select links to become incredibly infuriating.
Has anyone else tried Minimo yet? (Mozilla's Mobile Manifestation of Firefox)
For browsing purposes I have found it to be superior compared to others. The viewing area is huge (you don't need to set your Universal to VGA).
However, its downfalls are the amount storage and memory it uses. Additionally, it doesn't support Flash.
I'm sure future versions will be improved.
But like I said, give me an Open Source and I'll work on something :lol:
Hi, could someone provide informations about the "Domain Enroll" and "Managed Apps" Taps in WM 6.1?
It´s hard to find some good informations in the net...
Mfg sool
Not much, the official release info is.
Pocket IE has new zoom feature. Well its not new, its "Text Size" rebadged really. Still as slow and uselsss as ever, Opera all the way.
Domain enroll. I believe this allows you to join a corporate domain if you have wifi.
Managed apps, nothing yet. No apps use this, its kind of like add/remove but for special stuff.
Getting started, this is nothing more than a little web page telling you how to do things. Useless if your a veteran PocketPC user.
Thats it.
I however like it, the whole OS is optimized and runs faster on my MDACIII. Apps run the same but the interface is more responsive. You used to have to enable all the cache and tweaks to get this speed but it feels faster. However apps load the same, the speed of the machine remains the same, just more responsibe.
For a full rundown see http://translate.google.com/transla...005&#entry129005&langpair=pt|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8
Remember, its called 6.1 for a reason.
I also googled a little bit. This Domain Enroll seems to be a function for a VPN connection and some other remote management functions.
Have a look here: http://translate.google.com/transla...article&sid=1781&langpair=de|en&hl=de&ie=UTF8
mfg sool
Curious... I see a lot of good programs on here named over an over but there's also **** I've come across and haven't seen many people mention..
I see a lot of SPB mobile shell talk, and its GREAT software.. also heard about PointUI (wasnt a fan though)
But I never heard about Winterface? And so far I like it better then both.. maybe because I was used to SPB an this is new but I'm lovin it, it's a simple interface, runs real smooth, and does everything I want..
Other programs I heard rarely or just missed the memo on..
BeeJive IM
Panoramic MoTweets
SK Tools
Speed Booster
UCWEB
Opera Mini (through java)
Task Facade
I don't use task facade now that I been using Winterface.. didn't with SPB either, but it was nice with TouchFLO
Any others ya'll have come across but never really were told about?
And anyone using Opera 10 beta? I got it but it seems to close before I get to do much in the browser, I'm guessing cause it's beta it must not be completely compatible? The whole interface and options are WAY better then the 9.5 one that comes with NFSFans ROM.. personally the 9.5 runs slow for me I'm forced to use opera mini through java its the smoothest browser I've ever used but it doesn't do videos (not even sure if opera 9.5 does? I know the explorer that came with the ROM does but I don't like that either really..)
Kinoma Play- slightly memory intensive, but it's my favorite music player. I'm still on Vin's lightning fast 23506 ROM so I don't really miss any of the memory it uses.
Opera 10 beta is really nice(I haven't had it crash??). I just miss the zoom bar occasionally, but I've just started using the d-pad to select links instead of zooming down to where I could click them. It has it's own ideas sometimes on how to deal with long or complex websites, but overall I enjoy it's aesthetics. If you're having trouble with it go back to opera's website and make sure you have the latest release.
I use Bing more than I thought I would. I really like its phone book/yellow page functions.
I tried using Task Facade a while back when I was running NFSFAN v12 or so and at that time I thought it was to slow and laggy. Now that I'm running Vin's speed demon 23506 ROM I have started using Task Facade and I really like it. There is almost no lag and with it mapped to the camera button I don't miss having HTC's Task Manager at all.
yeah i had used it with NFSFan and it worked fine, task facade was a great program
ill re-install opera 10 im not sure what it is, like i said tho maybe it isnt compatible with NFSFans ROM.. cause he has the 9.5 that comes with it, probably for good reason
I'm liking opera mini. It seems to load a lot faster then opera 9.7
Yeah unbelievably faster.. I do like Opera 10 beta though
skyfire 1.5 is my fave
Showcase Task Manager.
Manila 2d like interface. EXTREMELY nice and fingerfriendly.
also. fartmachine. (immature there) and pocket noise (both xda+ppc devs included). extremely amusing.
Does anyone have any good programs involving things like...
Stocks?
Stock information/updates?
Are there any alternative web browsers worth looking for other than these...?
UCWEB
Skyfire
Opera
Iris
Netfront
Anyone know of any good skins for Winterface? (the original is the best, the others have to big of icons for me)
I'm tryin think of more things... hmm..
Anyone have any programs they've always wondered about and never came across?
I just flashed Vins V_4 and have been using the M2DC manila customizer by Mpenguin14 and its a great program for anyone using M2D.
I like your initiative. Some titles are not so popular because not every developer pays for the marketing. And most users buy what they are told to.
Regarding your list and internet browsers I've seen an interesting one, I think it was called touch browser, very similar to the Android one.
I like:
Thumbcal
G-Alarm
Resco contacts
All three greatly improved WM funtions and make them more finger friendly.
Another program that greatly improves the "finger-friendliness" is SMS-Chat by Vito Tech. The stock SMS for WM has never been very good, which is something I hope changes with WM7, but in the meantime this is a great substitute and has some really nice skins that you find right here on XDA.
im a huge fan of SOTI pocket controller. Granted its not exactly PPC software, but it really is nice for when im working on my desktop/laptop and need to access phone files or send out a text.
Or when tinkering with it in general : )
S2P
TCPMP
Advanced Config
PocketCM Contacts
PCM Keyboard (much lighter than Fingerkeyboard 2.1)
Gen.Y DualBOOT
CleanRam
PHM Regedit
Notepad
File Explorer Extension
A good Android build
I use a lot more stuff, but these are really the essentials for my Vogue (IMHO).
I was using PCM keyboard, recently switched to zoomboard before i flashed to android, seemed to work a touch better for my big dumb fingers.
These make WinMo tolerable for me:
Windows Mobile 6.5.3+
ArkSwitch Task Manager (for 6.5.3+)
PhonEx Dialer (for 6.5.3+) -- sooo much better than any dialer out there, including the HTC GSM Dialer. You get a great full-screen predictive dialer, with smooth contact swipe scrolling. Only contact manager where swipe scrolling works on the vogue (without me accidentally dialing someone). Also it preserves the stock WM dialer for phone codes, and is fast! Comes with slide-2-answer.
EzInput 2.1 / Swype
Things I hate / want to die:
Going through three screens to acknowledge or answer a text message
The above, for missed calls
Internet browser -- None work well, Opera Mobile 10.5u seems the best, but I much prefer the Android browser
Battery life is the only reason I haven't switched fully to android yet.
You always hear a lot of talk about Swype, but you rarely ever hear about the similar, but much smoother SlideIT keyboard. I've used Swype and Shapewriter, but SlideIT is probably my favorite keayboard.
I'm a big fan of SPB Radio. Best app on WinMo.
A great app for music is nanogroove, you can stream your music and custom playlists from the grooveshark.com website. I also use SPBMobile Shell and zoomboard. All excellent software.
i dont understand this why is this so hard to multitask in rhodium... i cant multitask while i browse.. crap !!!.. tried all the browsers they close once i try to open any other application??? WTH??.... what do i do... i have flashed nearlly ll the cooked roms , in all of them i experience the same problem.. in some roms i get this error if i try to open a heavy web page
"Memory low, please choose an application to close" i only have windows media player and a browser.. cant even two applications run .. huff man.. even my elfin was able to multitask better... this 256mb ram is good for nothing.. all the cooked roms are also filed with junk.. total 176 in that 100 mb is already filled WTH!!!.. and in a day it come to 150mb and i am left with only 20mb .... ...
try ucbbrowser and see
its good for browsing
heavy memory use is due to screen resolution being high
do not use windows media player, it consumes heavy ram
use coreplayer, nitrogen or whatever
NEVER WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER
even with nitrogen it closes... the real point is, i open the browserand open some webpage.. by the time it loads i want to run some software.. for that i press the red key.. by the time i open the second software the browser would have closed already... so it's not even 2 programs just one browser it cant handle..
I think you must have some other factor in play here...
On my TP2 (Tmo US, stock 6.1 rom), I currently have open:
-IE, on ESPN
-Nitrogen, playing a 95MB mp3 file
-Word Mobile, with a 2MB doc open
-Google maps, with GPS running
-HTC photo album, listing ~200 hi-res pics.
I have a slight slowdown in menu scrolling, but that's it...other than that, each program is running and running smoothly. I even loaded IE before all the others, just to see if it shut down when I added anything in particular, but it never did.
You mentioned that you hit "the red button"...do you mean the far-right hardware button in the row along the bottom? It was always my understanding that would close the app you're "in" at that moment, but I could be wrong. To back out of an app, but still leave it running, and then open another, I just hit the "home" button to take me back to the home screen, then I can navigate to any other program and start it without closing any of the ones I have open.
Oh cool...i am never able to runthis many apps.... maybe i need to flash some 6.1 rom and check how it goes... maybe 6.5.5 is the issue .. but again 6.1 looks like **** .... have to find a better trade off.... or is sense 2.5 the real issue???... even with 2.1 i had problems i guess... man i should find a better combination here..
6.1 with titatnium or 6.1 with 2.1 or 6.5 with titanium or 6.5 with 2.1 or 6.5 with 2.5 or 6.5.5 with titanium or 6.5.5 with 2.1 or 6.5.5 with 2.5
Also red button wont close the app.. it just gets you to home screen..
Even though I never had issues multitasking on here before this, I will mention that I recently installed the 2 .cabs which have been shown to reduce memory usage on the TP2:
"SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy.cab"
and
"NoPushInternet_v2.cab"
They should both be available here, but if not, they can be found by a simple search of other similar forums as well (I think I found them at PPCGeeks, not sure). Like most other people that have tried them, I noticed an immediate, and constant, 20-40% reduction in memory usage overall.
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i dont understand this why is this so hard to multitask in rhodium... i cant multitask while i browse.. crap !!!.. tried all the browsers they close once i try to open any other application??? WTH??.... what do i do... i have flashed nearlly ll the cooked roms , in all of them i experience the same problem.. in some roms i get this error if i try to open a heavy web page
"Memory low, please choose an application to close" i only have windows media player and a browser.. cant even two applications run .. huff man.. even my elfin was able to multitask better... this 256mb ram is good for nothing.. all the cooked roms are also filed with junk.. total 176 in that 100 mb is already filled WTH!!!.. and in a day it come to 150mb and i am left with only 20mb .... ...
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i use 6.1 with stock rom on sprint and use the stock opera browser to surf the web. i can use pocket player while browsing the web and no problems. have you tried pocket player?? its much better then wmp,coreplayer i think. pocket player isnt free though,a quick search and you will find it.
i guess i finallly understood the problem.... switched back to a 6.5 rom... whoa... i can multitask like hell... ****on 6.5.5 was the problem.. worst memory management there... also battery drains like hell... people who are using 6.5.5 for a long tmi switch to 6.5 you will note considerable difference
hi guys!
is it possible to improve the multitasking performance? I often use twitter (moTweets) and Opera and Palringo simultainously, which unfortunatly always causes an automatic shutdown of all the applications. Running just one app at the same time is quite annoying. Is it possible to optimize this? (ROM: DeepShining, Manila 2.5)
thanks for your thoughts!
Opera 10 is a RAM killer.
Try Advanced Config 3.3 (you should be able to find it here or if you google it), go to HTC Task Manager - AutoKill - Disabled. HTC Task Manager will stop automatically close tasks to free up memory. Or decrease the default threshold. This may cause your device to get laggy or even freeze, but it worth a try.
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Try Advanced Config 3.3 (you should be able to find it here or if you google it), go to HTC Task Manager - AutoKill - Disabled. HTC Task Manager will stop automatically close tasks to free up memory. Or decrease the default threshold. This may cause your device to get laggy or even freeze, but it worth a try.
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Hi, I tried all kind of tweaks, but nothing really works. As soon as I open mail or a twitter client, the browser shuts down itself quickly. Maybe there is a specific rom, that is very handy for multitasking?
Uninstall opera 10
I don't know why people insist on using that version but it effectively renders your tp2 a non multitasking device with all the resources it eats up. 9.7 or even 9.5 is way better for the tp2 (and faster imo). version 10 seems to have been written for a desktop type of device for the amount of ram it consumes.
People are delusional and want to use it thinking its good. but its really not.
I´m using Opera Mobile 10 beta2 without any issues, yes it eats RAM, but I have plenty so no lags here.
I have tested several browsers and Opera is the best so far, so it´s ok if needs more RAM to run
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I´m using Opera Mobile 10 beta2 without any issues, yes it eats RAM, but I have plenty so no lags here.
I have tested several browsers and Opera is the best so far, so it´s ok if needs more RAM to run
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I dont have a problem running opera 10 either. Its when I try to run Opera 10 and something else that I run into issues. Apperently you and I are using the same device with the same specs. I did everything suggested in your opera thread and still it eats up around 90% of the resources. If I try to open say two tabs and another program, thats when the memory issues begin. Also, it seems enourmously slower than the previsous version even on wifi. The load bar seems to sit at 50% for ever and a day while the same site on 9.7 is loaded fully in a few seconds. I firmly beliive 10 comes with a placebo effect built in.
The UI is nice, but the browser is not for a rhodium by any means. Not unless you want to turn off tf3d or run JUST the browser.
Same here, using 10 b2, no problems at all, is my main browser. Also using SPB MobileShell or Titanium helps freeing memory.
I'm using Opera 10 beta 2 and palringo both at the same time no issues, also pocketwiter with no issues so possibly is it the twitter app that is causing the problems?
I m having the same issue with both 9.7 and 10 beta 2. I cannot let Opera and IE both running even when the autokill is set to off.
I think it's not the opera's problem cause I cannot let TVUplayer and core player running together either.
TVUPlayer should be running in the background dealing with the stream data while the core player is playing in the foreground but TVU always got killed in the background.
I think TP2 doesn't have enough ram for multitasking when manila is running.
I'm fairly certain this is a ROM problem. I've experienced the same thing with all ROMs that have Sense 2.5. My applications kept getting autokilled.
This happens rarely with WinMo 6.5+Sense 2.1 ROMs. But sometimes, it does and it's very irritating.
This is one of the main reasons why I've "downgraded" back to stock WinMo 6.1 ROM. My applications never gets autokilled now. I've consistently done the following things simultaneously with no problems:
-Listen to music using the Music tab in TF3D
-Browse web using Opera 9.5
-Chat using MSN Messenger
-All while having the following applications opened: Messaging, Notes, Resco File Explorer, Calculator, Excel Mobile
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I'm fairly certain this is a ROM problem. I've experienced the same thing with all ROMs that have Sense 2.5. My applications kept getting autokilled.
This happens rarely with WinMo 6.5+Sense 2.1 ROMs. But sometimes, it does and it's very irritating.
This is one of the main reasons why I've "downgraded" back to stock WinMo 6.1 ROM. My applications never gets autokilled now. I've consistently done the following things simultaneously with no problems:
-Listen to music using the Music tab in TF3D
-Browse web using Opera 9.5
-Chat using MSN Messenger
-All while having the following applications opened: Messaging, Notes, Resco File Explorer, Calculator, Excel Mobile
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+1 on the stability and smoothness of 6.1! I honestly can't remember the last time I ran into a memory shortage, at least not to the point where anything autokilled. I often leave opera (10b3) open just to save myself the initial load time whenever I want to look something up real quick (which is often), and it's never kept me from having all the other stuff running that I usually have open:
WMP
Total Commander
File Explorer
messaging (always with active use)
calculator
and often google maps as well
The point of all this is...the cause of the issue for the OP (and many others) is just the resource consumption of the later models of WM and TF3D~Sense
How many of these threads really must exist?
It's PROCESSES, not ram... Unless you guys are doing something asinine, my Tilt 2 right now has 88M ram free, I never see less than 40M free, and I run a LOT of stuff, PocketWeather, GPSToday, a cell location upload program, plus FlexMail, Palringo, S2U2, all the while doing stuff like Twitter, FIM, PIE, Opera, whatever.
What gets you is processes. Look at some tool which will show you how many current running processes there are, I'd think any task manager can, I use MemMaid. 31 is the maximum for Windows Mobile, and I have heard when it exceeds 28 it starts killing.
My Tilt 2 had something like 25 processes at boot at first, with a few programs installed.. I had to do a bit of tweaking, but now I have it down to 22 with all of the above normal stuff running, and now I rarely have a problem with programs exiting.
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How many of these threads really must exist?
It's PROCESSES, not ram... Unless you guys are doing something asinine, my Tilt 2 right now has 88M ram free, I never see less than 40M free, and I run a LOT of stuff, PocketWeather, GPSToday, a cell location upload program, plus FlexMail, Palringo, S2U2, all the while doing stuff like Twitter, FIM, PIE, Opera, whatever.
What gets you is processes. Look at some tool which will show you how many current running processes there are, I'd think any task manager can, I use MemMaid. 31 is the maximum for Windows Mobile, and I have heard when it exceeds 28 it starts killing.
My Tilt 2 had something like 25 processes at boot at first, with a few programs installed.. I had to do a bit of tweaking, but now I have it down to 22 with all of the above normal stuff running, and now I rarely have a problem with programs exiting.
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Are you sure about this.. i donth think it's the case.. it is because of the memory.. because i use fdcsoft task manager.. it shows that there are 15 processes running... but still if i open opera, palringo, gsplayer,sms and a new tab .. programs will start closing .. so if you calculate i only have 15 + 4 processes.. it's waaaay less than 31.. are there any hidden processes which i am not seeing??.. which task manger are you suing to get the no of processes??
I've also noticed that under 40 MB RAM, Opera Mobile won't even start... currently I have 17 processes runing in fdc (two of tem being Opera and fdc - just opened, so basically only 15)
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Are you sure about this.. i donth think it's the case.. it is because of the memory.. because i use fdcsoft task manager.. it shows that there are 15 processes running... but still if i open opera, palringo, gsplayer,sms and a new tab .. programs will start closing .. so if you calculate i only have 15 + 4 processes.. it's waaaay less than 31.. are there any hidden processes which i am not seeing??.. which task manger are you suing to get the no of processes??
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15 seems very low with programs running, so I'm thinking you aren't seeing the total number of processes. As I said, I use MemMaid
I use DF Task Manager & Memmaid Both have different benefits.
I also have the same issues. If I load Opera it closes everything else.
With nothing running except Manilla I onlky have 60Mb left of the original RAM. I have experimented with SPB. I if use this I start with 90Mb free.
I have tried all sorts of Manila tweaks and memory hacks to free up memory from manilla.
Nothing works.
Looks like I might have to find a ROM with 6.1 instead of 6.5.5 .
Just did a test. nothing but WM6.5, Manilla & Opera 10 running. 18Mb left. something wrong with this picture!!!
Try changing the pagepool to like 12. But you're going to have to do this before a flash. Read up on it if your interested.