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(Prevention?) ROM newer than AKU3.5 WMP play 3 to 4 seconds problem

Hope my little input could help to prevent it from playing just only 3 to 4 seconds.
I am using Helmi AKU3.5 v1.3 now, but from all the threads, it seems to be a common problem in many versions of the ROM.
For my situation, normally immediately after soft reset, WMP plays with no problem.
There is a little Apps inside Helmi AKU3.5 v1.3 called "Close Apps". This problem will come 100% after I run "Close Apps" to regain memory.
To prevent it and to avoid recovery reset, I will only run 'Close Apps" with WMP still runnning.
My guess is "Close Apps" clear something important for WMP.
Let us know if there is another way to reproduce the problem.

Re
hey!!
i don't know bout this problem but i had a similar problem with the " close app" application in the 3.3 rom
when i tried to run ie after running this app it would automatically close after loading the page (not the homepage).
P.S Since you have crossbow installed could u do me a favour??? i wanted to see how a couple of themes i have made look in crossbow...if i send you one of them could you send me the screenshot???

Hi guys.
Actually I do not use WMP almost at all because I prefer other players, so I never experienced this problem but....
I suggest you to use oxios hibernate instead of closeapps. Hibernate does not close any running apps but releases ram which can be still occupied after a closed app. Besides hibernate I often check the hidden processes with iTaskmanager (part of Helmi's ROMs but you can get it separately) and often found that there are some processes useless at the moment e.g. voicecmd.exe (can eat 2 megs) poutlook, tmail, etc.
I guess if you use hibernate you will avoid 3 sec problem of WMP... not 100% sure...
Brgds

fallenczar said:
hey!!
i don't know bout this problem but i had a similar problem with the " close app" application in the 3.3 rom
when i tried to run ie after running this app it would automatically close after loading the page (not the homepage).
P.S Since you have crossbow installed could u do me a favour??? i wanted to see how a couple of themes i have made look in crossbow...if i send you one of them could you send me the screenshot???
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My is AKU3.5, not crossbow.
The crossbow theme does not look too good, as I do not like dirty green colour, reminds me of the army uniform.
There is quite a couple of screen shots already in this forum, just search and you see plenty.
To have crossbow look, you do not need to install crossbow, search again it this forum, you will find some crossbow *.tsk files. copy it into the \windows directory and you can select it in the Today.

.dredd. said:
Hi guys.
Actually I do not use WMP almost at all because I prefer other players, so I never experienced this problem but....
I suggest you to use oxios hibernate instead of closeapps. Hibernate does not close any running apps but releases ram which can be still occupied after a closed app. Besides hibernate I often check the hidden processes with iTaskmanager (part of Helmi's ROMs but you can get it separately) and often found that there are some processes useless at the moment e.g. voicecmd.exe (can eat 2 megs) poutlook, tmail, etc.
I guess if you use hibernate you will avoid 3 sec problem of WMP... not 100% sure...
Brgds
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Thanks, I will try.
But 'close app' way to produce this problem may not be the only way.

Looks like I do not see this problem after using Hibernate.

I use the HTC Task Manager provided in Jwrights 2.06/08 Crossbow ROM and it works really well... I have seen posts about this problem and it does seem to be the ''close app" that causes the issue.

Exit Internet Explorer

Sorry for the noobish question, but I just got a S621, and I'm trying to figure out why Internet Explorer doesn't seem to have an exit option.
Please tell me there's a way to exit without resorting to the task manager.

Because Microsoft seems to think you want to leave most of their apps running all the time LOL
Use Task Manager to close it when you are done.

Gah. I was afraid that would be the answer. I wonder why they do this on a phone with such limited memory. And whats the point of keeping the apps resident when there's no task switcher? I suppose the recent programs partly serves this function, but it doesn't show which apps are running.
Quite the opposite to Apple's approach - not allowing apps to stay resident on the iPhone, which I believe has at least double the RAM of the s620 & a much faster CPU.
By the way, are there any freeware alternatives to IE that do not require server-based rendering?

Opera Mini.
Download opera mini from the usefull apps post. Its truly amazing.
I still have IE there for certain things like thestreamcenter.com so it knows im on a mobile phone. I use celetask shortcutted to the Tmobile key(nrg rom) to kill it and regain lost ram.
If you are using the tmobile rom I suggest switching off it as fast as you can.
Good Luck.

I'm using the 3VO 6.5 rom. I've used Opera mini before (while traveling in India & China) & I agree it's great, but I'm looking for a browser that renders pages natively, without connecting to a proxy. Is there any freeware one besides IE?
Also, what's the best way to map a button to the task manager with the 3VO 6.5 rom?

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Also, what's the best way to map a button to the task manager with the 3VO 6.5 rom?
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I thought it was the red t button on the bottom right of the phone. Thats if your using the same 3vo 6.5 as me...

There's Opera Mobile which isn't freeware but probably the best given the phone's limited memory. Apart from that the options are limited - Iris (free) which is based on WebKit is the other option that is a native browser (not through a proxy) but it's designed for a phone with at least twice as much memory really, so although it'll run, once you start hitting large pages it runs out of memory rapidly. Which is a shame because it's nice.
I use Opera mini unless I absolutely have to use a native browser (e.g. for logging into a wireless hotspot, Intranet etc.). It's remarkable just how fast it renders pages!

RAM usage (question)

Hi, can anyone explain the reasons why a ROMs RAM usage is high?
For example, the ROM I am currently using is up at 90%. After a reboot its around 75% and it doesnt take long to get up to 90%. If I use free RAM on level 1 it tells me "No change". If I use level 2 then it ruins touch flow 3d and I need to reboot.
I only need more RAM to run applications, but my idea is that regardless of the applications installed, if none are running then the RAM usage shouldnt be that high.. ? For example, you could install loads of stuff on your windows XP machine, but RAM only gets used when you load the applications right... ?
I have run task manager, and in the order of most RAM usage here are the things running currently at 92% RAM
gwes.exe 24394 kb
cprog.exe 7920 kb
device.exe 3658 kb
manilla.exe 3553 kb
shell32.exe 2705 kb
services.exe 2686 kb
filesys.exe 2289 kb
dotTaskMgr.exe 97 kb
connmgr.exe 96 kb
tmail.exe 45 kb
SAPSettings.exe 1 kb
NK.EXE 1 kb
total 47445 kb (or almost 50mb of RAM)
Now, I know that manilla consumes WAY more ram than titanium. But I prefer manilla!
Does any ROM cookers give me a brief understanding of why certain ROMS use more RAM than others?
I've even gone as far as changing the theme but to be honest I dont think it made any difference..
I am a complete N00b but I like to read and use google so if people can give me some direction I will go away and do some research!
Thanks!

BUMP...

Can anyone show me the light?

WinMo 6.5 is also more RAM-hungry than 6.1.

which Page Pool does ur ROM have?
i think it is set to 0 !
change it to 12 or 16
WBR
Siemens Lover

Hi Guys!! Thanks for both your replies. So I googled about the page pool as I had heard this mentioned before. It's a little like virtual memory on PC's right?
So I used the page pool changer to tell me what my rom has as it's pagepool and from what I can tell, I have 8mb.. Do you agree? I've attached a screenshot.

qmt49 said:
WinMo 6.5 is also more RAM-hungry than 6.1.
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Yea I understand! Do you know why it gradually increases the ram usage up to over 90% though?

try with changing pagepool (8mb-12mb)

there are many ways to get more free ram... easier is pagepool but if you lower pp you will loose rom speed so it's not the best choice... other things have to be done by the cooker not the rom user.
Obviously if you use manila+phonecanvas+wm6.5 you will have a high memory usage rom...
edit: between if you want a good program to free the max of ram, use the one i made in my signature.. but you will have to configure it for your apps

benko286 said:
try with changing pagepool (8mb-12mb)
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Thanks Benko!! I will try and see how it goes

makeveral said:
there are many ways to get more free ram... easier is pagepool but if you lower pp you will loose rom speed so it's not the best choice... other things have to be done by the cooker not the rom user.
Obviously if you use manila+phonecanvas+wm6.5 you will have a high memory usage rom...
edit: between if you want a good program to free the max of ram, use the one i made in my signature.. but you will have to configure it for your apps
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I don't mind taking ROMs apart and playing with things. I would like to learn how to cook
Thanks for the App.

Defiantly agree with the OP.
I had NRG's Rom installed, and I'll say he manila and titanium on his ROM is mega fast. Every animation is so fluent, so much eye kandy and hi-res icons...
Was perfect...
Till I started to actually use programs that couldn't even start. I was on mainila looking at photos, and hit 'album' but cant open the album. can't use the camera.couldn't play games or anything..
currently on Benkos full ROM, is a little buggy, animations aren't so fluid but usally are fine however am pleased i can actually use programs.
I could NOT use manila but same as OP, I prefer it.. I'm keen on the later versions which have colour icons on the slider etc... Not so keen on titanium but i prefer everything else on 6.5. I'm wondering if I really need to use 6.5 as it does use a whole lot more RAM than 6.1

Think about it... what are the real differences between WM 6.1 and 6.5? Do you really need the 6.5 start menu? Titanium? WM Slide to unlock?
The problem about the WM6.5 is the graphics and windows event service (gwes). It consumes to much RAM. Phones with 128MB RAM are made to run WM6.1
Try this ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=565243&highlight=akeo
It is stable, fast, a lot of free RAM and very clean. And if you still need more RAM, just try to disable TF3D and tachi phone canvas. You are going to get 38% used RAM after boot. I installed IphoneToday 1.2.5 (very lightweight and fast) and S2U2. After boot I still get ~40% of used RAM (~70MB free RAM).

I'm pretty sure I need WM6.5... After using 6.1 for a whole year and getting frustrated at the little things, like looking through phone contacts, dragging the list up a tiny bit and then the phone automatically scrolling all through my 200 contacts to the bottom.. then if I tried to go back, I would end up right back at the start. WM6.5 fixes all the things that either I hated, didnt work in 6.1 or both.
I'm learning how to cook now so I can just build a ROM that I'll use for myself.

WM6.5 isn't really much but ram-hungry, eyecandy graphics. The scrolling is improved, that's correct, but with Sense 2.5 (newest Manila) you will barely need to use the old scrolling of WM6.1 as most stuff is integrated. I can warmly recommend Kisja's WM 6.1 with Sense 2.5, although you might wanna wait for the final release (in RC1 now).
The reason for your high RAM usage is mostly graphics - phone canvas, Manila and some WM6.5 graphics. The more tabs in Manila you open, the more RAM it uses. The WM6.5 screenlock also consumes alot of RAM. In addition, there are (and will always be) some memory leaks in WM. Don't ask me why, it just is like that. Therefore you need to use RAMsweeper, cleanRAM or other cleaners every once in a while.
I recommend you to disable the WM6.5 screenlock and use either the old WM or TouchLockPro which is a great piece of software.

I have to agree with the topic.
I've been searching for a good Diamond rom, but can't seem to find one.
I personally don't care about the OS on my phone. 6.1 seems to work well enough.
I do want manilla 2.5 though. It looks better and it's really easy to use with the finger buttons.
Maybe someone could help me out.
I am looking for the following rom:
- Manilla 2.5
- Ability to switch automatic to landscape in; Manilla, contacts and texting windows (don't care about the rest but it would be nice)
- Fast and stable. So for daily use.
- Not to heavy on RAM. I still want to be able to use all my apps.
- CLEAN.
Things I don't care about:
- OS. 6.1 or 6.5 both are welcome
- Playing music.
- Extra apps except for the essentials.
- Enhanced looks. Plain HTC black works fine.
So; clean, fast, stable, RAM friendly and manilla 2.5.
A rom for standard daily usage. Calling, browsing contacts, texting, maybe browsing the web every now and then AND using GPS on SOME occasions.
This is WAY to much to ask for a Diamond rom. But maybe someone could help a guy out.

This one is nice, stable & fast
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=567949

optimizing multitasking

hi guys!
is it possible to improve the multitasking performance? I often use twitter (moTweets) and Opera and Palringo simultainously, which unfortunatly always causes an automatic shutdown of all the applications. Running just one app at the same time is quite annoying. Is it possible to optimize this? (ROM: DeepShining, Manila 2.5)
thanks for your thoughts!

Opera 10 is a RAM killer.

Try Advanced Config 3.3 (you should be able to find it here or if you google it), go to HTC Task Manager - AutoKill - Disabled. HTC Task Manager will stop automatically close tasks to free up memory. Or decrease the default threshold. This may cause your device to get laggy or even freeze, but it worth a try.

slimslim said:
Try Advanced Config 3.3 (you should be able to find it here or if you google it), go to HTC Task Manager - AutoKill - Disabled. HTC Task Manager will stop automatically close tasks to free up memory. Or decrease the default threshold. This may cause your device to get laggy or even freeze, but it worth a try.
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Hi, I tried all kind of tweaks, but nothing really works. As soon as I open mail or a twitter client, the browser shuts down itself quickly. Maybe there is a specific rom, that is very handy for multitasking?

Uninstall opera 10
I don't know why people insist on using that version but it effectively renders your tp2 a non multitasking device with all the resources it eats up. 9.7 or even 9.5 is way better for the tp2 (and faster imo). version 10 seems to have been written for a desktop type of device for the amount of ram it consumes.
People are delusional and want to use it thinking its good. but its really not.

I´m using Opera Mobile 10 beta2 without any issues, yes it eats RAM, but I have plenty so no lags here.
I have tested several browsers and Opera is the best so far, so it´s ok if needs more RAM to run

orb3000 said:
I´m using Opera Mobile 10 beta2 without any issues, yes it eats RAM, but I have plenty so no lags here.
I have tested several browsers and Opera is the best so far, so it´s ok if needs more RAM to run
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I dont have a problem running opera 10 either. Its when I try to run Opera 10 and something else that I run into issues. Apperently you and I are using the same device with the same specs. I did everything suggested in your opera thread and still it eats up around 90% of the resources. If I try to open say two tabs and another program, thats when the memory issues begin. Also, it seems enourmously slower than the previsous version even on wifi. The load bar seems to sit at 50% for ever and a day while the same site on 9.7 is loaded fully in a few seconds. I firmly beliive 10 comes with a placebo effect built in.
The UI is nice, but the browser is not for a rhodium by any means. Not unless you want to turn off tf3d or run JUST the browser.

Same here, using 10 b2, no problems at all, is my main browser. Also using SPB MobileShell or Titanium helps freeing memory.

I'm using Opera 10 beta 2 and palringo both at the same time no issues, also pocketwiter with no issues so possibly is it the twitter app that is causing the problems?

I m having the same issue with both 9.7 and 10 beta 2. I cannot let Opera and IE both running even when the autokill is set to off.
I think it's not the opera's problem cause I cannot let TVUplayer and core player running together either.
TVUPlayer should be running in the background dealing with the stream data while the core player is playing in the foreground but TVU always got killed in the background.
I think TP2 doesn't have enough ram for multitasking when manila is running.

I'm fairly certain this is a ROM problem. I've experienced the same thing with all ROMs that have Sense 2.5. My applications kept getting autokilled.
This happens rarely with WinMo 6.5+Sense 2.1 ROMs. But sometimes, it does and it's very irritating.
This is one of the main reasons why I've "downgraded" back to stock WinMo 6.1 ROM. My applications never gets autokilled now. I've consistently done the following things simultaneously with no problems:
-Listen to music using the Music tab in TF3D
-Browse web using Opera 9.5
-Chat using MSN Messenger
-All while having the following applications opened: Messaging, Notes, Resco File Explorer, Calculator, Excel Mobile

ohyeahar said:
I'm fairly certain this is a ROM problem. I've experienced the same thing with all ROMs that have Sense 2.5. My applications kept getting autokilled.
This happens rarely with WinMo 6.5+Sense 2.1 ROMs. But sometimes, it does and it's very irritating.
This is one of the main reasons why I've "downgraded" back to stock WinMo 6.1 ROM. My applications never gets autokilled now. I've consistently done the following things simultaneously with no problems:
-Listen to music using the Music tab in TF3D
-Browse web using Opera 9.5
-Chat using MSN Messenger
-All while having the following applications opened: Messaging, Notes, Resco File Explorer, Calculator, Excel Mobile
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+1 on the stability and smoothness of 6.1! I honestly can't remember the last time I ran into a memory shortage, at least not to the point where anything autokilled. I often leave opera (10b3) open just to save myself the initial load time whenever I want to look something up real quick (which is often), and it's never kept me from having all the other stuff running that I usually have open:
WMP
Total Commander
File Explorer
messaging (always with active use)
calculator
and often google maps as well
The point of all this is...the cause of the issue for the OP (and many others) is just the resource consumption of the later models of WM and TF3D~Sense

How many of these threads really must exist?
It's PROCESSES, not ram... Unless you guys are doing something asinine, my Tilt 2 right now has 88M ram free, I never see less than 40M free, and I run a LOT of stuff, PocketWeather, GPSToday, a cell location upload program, plus FlexMail, Palringo, S2U2, all the while doing stuff like Twitter, FIM, PIE, Opera, whatever.
What gets you is processes. Look at some tool which will show you how many current running processes there are, I'd think any task manager can, I use MemMaid. 31 is the maximum for Windows Mobile, and I have heard when it exceeds 28 it starts killing.
My Tilt 2 had something like 25 processes at boot at first, with a few programs installed.. I had to do a bit of tweaking, but now I have it down to 22 with all of the above normal stuff running, and now I rarely have a problem with programs exiting.

khaytsus said:
How many of these threads really must exist?
It's PROCESSES, not ram... Unless you guys are doing something asinine, my Tilt 2 right now has 88M ram free, I never see less than 40M free, and I run a LOT of stuff, PocketWeather, GPSToday, a cell location upload program, plus FlexMail, Palringo, S2U2, all the while doing stuff like Twitter, FIM, PIE, Opera, whatever.
What gets you is processes. Look at some tool which will show you how many current running processes there are, I'd think any task manager can, I use MemMaid. 31 is the maximum for Windows Mobile, and I have heard when it exceeds 28 it starts killing.
My Tilt 2 had something like 25 processes at boot at first, with a few programs installed.. I had to do a bit of tweaking, but now I have it down to 22 with all of the above normal stuff running, and now I rarely have a problem with programs exiting.
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Are you sure about this.. i donth think it's the case.. it is because of the memory.. because i use fdcsoft task manager.. it shows that there are 15 processes running... but still if i open opera, palringo, gsplayer,sms and a new tab .. programs will start closing .. so if you calculate i only have 15 + 4 processes.. it's waaaay less than 31.. are there any hidden processes which i am not seeing??.. which task manger are you suing to get the no of processes??

I've also noticed that under 40 MB RAM, Opera Mobile won't even start... currently I have 17 processes runing in fdc (two of tem being Opera and fdc - just opened, so basically only 15)

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Are you sure about this.. i donth think it's the case.. it is because of the memory.. because i use fdcsoft task manager.. it shows that there are 15 processes running... but still if i open opera, palringo, gsplayer,sms and a new tab .. programs will start closing .. so if you calculate i only have 15 + 4 processes.. it's waaaay less than 31.. are there any hidden processes which i am not seeing??.. which task manger are you suing to get the no of processes??
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15 seems very low with programs running, so I'm thinking you aren't seeing the total number of processes. As I said, I use MemMaid

I use DF Task Manager & Memmaid Both have different benefits.
I also have the same issues. If I load Opera it closes everything else.
With nothing running except Manilla I onlky have 60Mb left of the original RAM. I have experimented with SPB. I if use this I start with 90Mb free.
I have tried all sorts of Manila tweaks and memory hacks to free up memory from manilla.
Nothing works.
Looks like I might have to find a ROM with 6.1 instead of 6.5.5 .
Just did a test. nothing but WM6.5, Manilla & Opera 10 running. 18Mb left. something wrong with this picture!!!

Try changing the pagepool to like 12. But you're going to have to do this before a flash. Read up on it if your interested.

RAM issue

Hi All,
I recently bought a touch pro2, it's running windows 6.5 and also has HTC sense, i stopped using sense and it free'd up 10mb on the program ram, however it was so buggy without it, for some reason, i enabled it again.
I have total 187.02mb Ram
in use: 136.99mb
Free: 50.03 mb
usually the free ram goes way down when i run an application, i currently have no programs running.
How can i increase the free space? I thought uninstalling programs and installing them onto my storage card would help, but it didn't. I'm new to the phone after a well deserved upgrade (it's been 6 years lol) I love the phone, however it's just a minor problem as sometimes it crashes and I have to take out the battery to start it back up again.
Any help would be appreciated.
I understand you can get Custom Roms, however I am quite happy with the stock, but its vodaphone, i don't know if theres any bloatware, lol and i like the facebook and all the softwares it has. I only want a minor tweak not expecting miracles, but maybe 10mb more or something on average.
Also I'm running the stock rom which is 1.86.161.0 I understand there is a newer one out, will thsi make it any faster?

You might have a memory leak somewhere, I generally idle around 57% and only hit 75% (50 mb free) with multiple programs open. You might have an issue with one of your programs causing a memory leak, what exactly do you have installed?
The new ROM may help out a little bit with your RAM usage. Also, SSK Dynamic Resource Proxy and NoPushInternet should help out if you want to try those before the new ROM.

right now im running at 74% and this seems to be the norm and even running into 80% if i open skype. basically if i open any program like camera asin 1 program at a time as well not multiple at one time, it regularly goes to 80%, I got no pushinternet, i even had cleanram, removed that cas didn't help that much as it would always go back to same old 74%, havent tried ssk dyanmic resource proxy. I am trying that now.
heres what i have installed:
*gets comfy*
Active syn
adobe reader
album
all peopel
audio booster
bubble breaker
calculator
calendar
camera
comm manager
contacts
email
excel mobile
fm radio
facebook
file explorer
getting started
google maps
htc calendar
help
internet explorer
internet sharing
jetcet presenter 5
mp3 trimmer
mail setup
marketplace
messenger
microsoft my phone
notes
02 sim
one note mobile
opera browser
phone
pictures and videos
pockettwit
pockettwit quickpost
powerpoint
quickgps
rss hub
remote desktop mobile
sim manager
sun java (gmail app in there too)
search phone
search widget
settings
skype
solitare
streaming media
tasks
teeter
text
voice recorder
windows live
windows media
word
worldcard mobile
youtube

that seems to have done it! thank you. I reset the device afterwards im running like 4 apps and its on 60% brilliant

You can also try this CAB, its not mine but I use on some ROMS, it improves a decent amount of ram if you would like to try it.
Hope it helps,
Kenichi

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that seems to have done it! thank you. I reset the device afterwards im running like 4 apps and its on 60% brilliant
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Sweet deal, glad to help out

trying that cab out as well, loll if it helps more, why not haha.
amazing its running at 55% with skype...wow haha, that feels right now.
Any idea if this would improve battery life, because if more apps were running surely it was using the cpu more or something?

I believe so, mostly I remember from the thread (forgot where it is now) is that it lowers much of RAM, but I am guessing the battery life will go up a little bit more but not much.

that improved by a percent so every little helps, hmm, the phone is on 60% anyway with wifi and 3g on all day, and plus pretty constant texting and email plus skype usage, so thats pretty alright, might try to push it tommorow. constant skyping, see how long it lasts.

Alright, I haven't been able to find anymore RAM tweaks that really improve anything, I'll post here again when something that works out.

I tried all of the above but I'm still sitting at 70% usage while idle =/

What ROM/Carrier?
Also when you continue to cache files for quick load your RAM will go up and stay up. Read the thread for joker's cab there is a lot of info about how your phone caches files.

Well Demonic240 you have to be running Manilla 2.5 or something to have such a big amount of ram running at 70%, although I have no problem with that what so ever because all your programs don't take that much RAM. If you were to have such problem with RAM then just switch to Titanium or even less RAM the windows menu screen.