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Why is it that two devices that are the same one with the frf91 froyo and the other with a diff froyo the frf 91 score is much higher is ther an explination for this and is the an frf91 froyo rom for our slides
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Seriously?
bgolden84 said:
Why is it that two devices that are the same one with the frf91 froyo and the other with a diff froyo the frf 91 score is much higher is ther an explination for this and is the an frf91 froyo rom for our slides
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Better question: why the HECK did you decide to create this thread in the DEVELOPMENT forum? Which part of the "myTouch 3G Slide Q&A" forum title did you not comprehend? The 'Q' or the 'A?'
For heavens sake, people. Read the big stickied post at the top of the forum before posting! Feh.
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Better question: why the HECK did you decide to create this thread in the DEVELOPMENT forum? Which part of the "myTouch 3G Slide Q&A" forum title did you not comprehend? The 'Q' or the 'A?'
For heavens sake, people. Read the big stickied post at the top of the forum before posting! Feh.
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He wants to ****.
Well I figg that since there isx an obvious diff between two roms wit same hardware it is dev related and why must you be such an ass the root of the question is very much related to the development of roms
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And you guys wonder why u chase of devs left and right its because u don't think u just get all pissy and flame people I'm sure u made mistakes when u started in the boards but I could b wrong my ? Is what is it in the rom its self that brings the score up so much
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And you guys wonder why u chase of devs left and right its because u don't think u just get all pissy and flame people I'm sure u made mistakes when u started in the boards but I could b wrong my ? Is what is it in the rom its self that brings the score up so much
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In all respect, Hebrew and r0manz have very legitimate reasons for responding the way they did to you and many others who have committed the same error as you did. The Q&A forum is for pretty much all questions, either related to development, or otherwise, because you can pretty much connect any question to some kind of development anyway. The development forum is used specifically for contribution and development to projects like ROMs, scripts, mods, etc, which includes testing and debugging. When you ask a question in the development forum, you're pretty much saying, "I have no intention of starting this project but I'm hoping someone else will do it for me and then show me how to do it." The other thing is that these errors can easily be avoided by reading just a little bit.
The real reason why the developers are leaving these forums are because there are way too many people, and way too many posts, of people wanting things, or even demanding things, without even the slightest hint towards giving back. And I'm sure donations are great, but I get the feeling that more than money, the devs would much rather prefer people to act with common-sense. It's this stupid entitlement that allows people to think they deserve anything the developers offer at all, which is betrayed by the fact that their posts offer nothing in the way of constructive development in return.
So if you stick around long enough, you'll see that pretty much everybody sides with these guys. We'd rather see development on these forums not people talking about development.
Why doesn't my mac mini benchmark as high as my mac pro?!?!?!?! They both run OSX 1.6????
credit to r0manz or hebrew or whoever the hell it was.
bgolden84 said:
Well I figg that since there isx an obvious diff between two roms wit same hardware it is dev related and why must you be such an ass the root of the question is very much related to the development of roms
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Erm, the Slide has a MSM7227 processor clocked at 600mhz while the Nexus One has a Snapdragon clocked at 1000mhz. It has nothing to do with the devs (who do GREAT work mind you) but the hardware.
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And you guys wonder why u chase of devs left and right its because u don't think u just get all pissy and flame people I'm sure u made mistakes when u started in the boards but I could b wrong my ? Is what is it in the rom its self that brings the score up so much
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No devs are leaving, take a chill pill. Cyanogen left because of the immaturity on the G1 forum.
sorry
sorry for posting in the wrong section and roman i know the slide and the n1 are diff but if u look at the linpack scores for the n1 only the n1 there are diff scores on diff roms frf91 being the highest scoring rom that was my ? y is there higher scores with this rom on the n1 than any other rom on the n1 and is this possible on the slide and i am assuming that u know htc clay got an hd2 no more slide so he has left
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He wants to ****.
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^Correct.
I'm hoping English is your second language. FRF91 is only referring to the build of froyo the nexus is currently on and the build our 2.2 is based on. I think you are confused and need to research more before you carry on.
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sorry for posting in the wrong section and roman i know the slide and the n1 are diff but if u look at the linpack scores for the n1 only the n1 there are diff scores on diff roms frf91 being the highest scoring rom that was my ? y is there higher scores with this rom on the n1 than any other rom on the n1 and is this possible on the slide and i am assuming that u know htc clay got an hd2 no more slide so he has left
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If English is your first language: Good god man, I can't understand anything you say. Go back to kindergarten.
If English is a second language: See above but replace kindergarten with Rosetta Stone.
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sorry for posting in the wrong section and roman i know the slide and the n1 are diff but if u look at the linpack scores for the n1 only the n1 there are diff scores on diff roms frf91 being the highest scoring rom that was my ? y is there higher scores with this rom on the n1 than any other rom on the n1 and is this possible on the slide and i am assuming that u know htc clay got an hd2 no more slide so he has left
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^ You see that? That's a period. It keeps everything from running together. When you finish one thought, and wish to start another one, you use a period. If you are asking a question, you use a question mark (?). If you are excited, you use an exclamation point! Also, commas can be used to list different things, or simply to separate parts of a sentence, as I did in this sentence. Thank you, I hope you take all this under consideration.
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^ You see that? That's a period. It keeps everything from running together. When you finish one thought, and wish to start another one, you use a period. If you are asking a question, you use a question mark (?). If you are excited, you use an exclamation point! Also, commas can be used to list different things, or simply to separate parts of a sentence, as I did in this sentence. Thank you, I hope you take all this under consideration.
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Also line breaks are used to separate texts so it does not become a massive tl;dr block that no one will ever finish Also line breaks are used to separate texts so it does not become a massive tl;dr block that no one will ever finish Also line breaks are used to separate texts so it does not become a massive tl;dr block that no one will ever finish Also line breaks are used to separate texts so it does not become a massive tl;dr block that no one will ever finish Also line breaks are used to separate texts so it does not become a massive tl;dr block that no one will ever finish Also line breaks are used to separate texts so it does not become a massive tl;dr block that no one will ever finish Also line breaks are used to separate texts so it does not become a massive tl;dr block that no one will ever finish Also line breaks are used to separate texts so it does not become a massive tl;dr block that no one will ever finish Also line breaks are used to separate texts so it does not become a massive tl;dr block that no one will ever finish Also line breaks are used to separate texts so it does not become a massive tl;dr block that no one will ever finish Also line breaks are used to separate texts so it does not become a massive tl;dr block that no one will ever finish Also line breaks are used to separate texts so it does not become a massive tl;dr block that no one will ever finish Also line breaks are used to separate texts so it does not become a massive tl;dr block that no one will ever finish Also line breaks are used to separate texts so it does not become a massive tl;dr block that no one will ever finish Also line breaks are used to separate texts so it does not become a massive tl;dr block that no one will ever finish.
HA HA HA!!!
Now THIS, is hilarious, people! God... I love you guys! The Slide forum is very well-littered with funny mickey-fickies!
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Now THIS, is hilarious, people! God... I love you guys! The Slide forum is very well-littered with funny mickey-fickies!
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I know i love it! English is my first, second and fith language.
Fuke me?.....Fuke you?...
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I know i love it! English is my first, second and fith language.
Fuke me?.....Fuke you?...
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Additional punctuation (?, !, ,, etc) go after an ellipsis (which is 3 dots long, not 4, not 2, not 53).
GRAMMAR NERD RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
And this is exactly why people that actualy contribute are leaving. Too many children. All any one had to do was give a simple answer and remind him to post in the right section.
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^ You see that? That's a period. It keeps everything from running together. When you finish one thought, and wish to start another one, you use a period. If you are asking a question, you use a question mark (?). If you are excited, you use an exclamation point! Also, commas can be used to list different things, or simply to separate parts of a sentence, as I did in this sentence. Thank you, I hope you take all this under consideration.
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Thank you <3
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And this is exactly why people that actualy contribute are leaving. Too many children. All any one had to do was give a simple answer and remind him to post in the right section.
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Thank you. All I was trying to do was get an answer. sorry for not using proper punctuation. But I was unaware of the fact this was a damn grammer/punctuation class. I thought it was an area for development!!!
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bgolden84 said:
Thank you. All I was trying to do was get an answer. sorry for not using proper punctuation. But I was unaware of the fact this was a damn grammer/punctuation class. I thought it was an area for development!!!
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And yet you asked a question completely unrelated to development. How peculiar...
Well after days of not being able to make calls in the office via the Suresignal, and after swapping out the phone for a new one, I had to get a refund.
Really wanted to keep this device, but as a business, and not being able to make or receive calls in the office, it had to go, and yes I've been through the turning WIFI off etc, but every other device I have owned seems to be able to connect to wifi and the Suresignal at the same time and make phone calls.
There seems to be an issue with connecting to the Vodafone Suresignal, and HTC didn't know about the issue when I called, and had no help on the matter.
Such a shame....
it might be kind of a shame to add another thread to so many when there is a returns thread. everyone sees you now, though, and there are tons of dupe threads that stay open so i'm sure you can wait around and get some more replies. =]
Don't really understand the need for your post, I made a valid point, one that CPW and HTC seem (or claim) to be unaware of.
After spending just under £500, I think I have reason to gripe.
The one drawback with forums seems to be a global thing across all forums, is that there is always someone that wants to have a pop and say "do a search before posting" etc, but surely a forum is to ask and seek advice, and discuss, not to just search an archive, we may just as well have a searchable database and be done with if that's the attitude.
Why doesn't a mod just move the thread as is the norm if it's that much of an issue?
As I see it, you have not made any constructive additions to the thread at all, does your One X connect to a sure signal, do you have a solution for it?
Some of us don't have hours and hours to trawl through shed loads of threads and search results, and only spend a few short minutes online when work commitments allow.
Just a tip, if your thread is about Sure Signal, put that in the title.
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Don't really understand the need for your post
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Haha my phone is fine, get it on a decent network and stop complaining. Don't see the need for your post, complain on a Vodafone web site, and not try to make HTC sound bad, Vodafone network problems if u ask me
HTC is fine.
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I agree Vodafone networks dodgy sometimes
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Chill out
No need for the hostility, if someone has a solution then help the guy out
Seriously! We were all "noobs" once. Instead of bashing offer help. Sometimes a new user can't always find what they are looking for. Search functions are not always "friendly".
My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
So calls are ok outdoor? When the reception is good? Then it is not phone's problem.
One valid solution, ask your boss to place you closer to window.
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Before you returned ur phone did you upgrade to the newest firmware?
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FernBch said:
Seriously! We were all "noobs" once. Instead of bashing offer help. Sometimes a new user can't always find what they are looking for. Search functions are not always "friendly".
My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
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Come on man. The OP has been a member since 2009, started a dozen threads and been thanked once. I guess some people give to this community, others just take.
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my HTC one X works perfectly on sure signal.
Albert Poon said:
One valid solution, ask your boss to place you closer to window.
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Lol
brent8577 said:
it might be kind of a shame to add another thread to so many when there is a returns thread. everyone sees you now, though, and there are tons of dupe threads that stay open so i'm sure you can wait around and get some more replies. =]
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I actually agree with this comment.
The OP has RETURNED his phone, hes not posting to ask for a solution before he returns and so isnt actually asking for help to fix something.
If he had been asking for help as a last straw, then yes, a new thread my be a good idea… just stating a fact that hes returned the phone…. kinda pointless
Steve
It's not worth getting bent out of shape over really is it, it's only a phone after all...
Albert Poon said:
So calls are ok outdoor? When the reception is good? Then it is not phone's problem.
One valid solution, ask your boss to place you closer to window.
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I sit where I like, I own the company!
Tomo1971 said:
I actually agree with this comment.
The OP has RETURNED his phone, hes not posting to ask for a solution before he returns and so isnt actually asking for help to fix something.
If he had been asking for help as a last straw, then yes, a new thread my be a good idea… just stating a fact that hes returned the phone…. kinda pointless
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Had 2 phones (and yes updated both), HTC had no idea, Vodafone had no idea, Carphone Warehouse had no idea, so what do you do, leave a £500 paperweight on the desk because it can't make calls like any other device on the market, or take it back within the 30 days to get your £500 back?
I searched....and searched for answers, posted on the VF forum, but nobody had any answers, I wonder just how many of you actually use a device for work, and rely on it for communication, instead of just playing angry birds and posting a Facebook update that you've just bought a can of cola!
I see countless complaint threads about "there's a mark on my device, I want it exchanged" or "my screen creaks" etc etc etc, to me, that's petty, but people deem them to be worthy of much discussion.....
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Come on man. The OP has been a member since 2009, started a dozen threads and been thanked once. I guess some people give to this community, others just take.
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Some people post when they feel they have something to contribute, others just post for the sake of it and actually say nothing....
Hi
I had this crazy idea for xda and i thought i would start a poll to see whether its just me or is this idea kinda good.
I thought that sometimes users who have serious issues like bricked devices, baseband problems, bootloops etc. really need prompt help and posting and waiting is quite a nervous task if you've bricked something like a TF101 or a One X.
You know how u have xda TV, how about adding xda Live. A chat room in each subforum so that people with serious problems like bricked devices can get answers instantly.
Of course there wouldn't be one for the general forum because there would be a conflict of too many devices
Instead for example, in the blade forum we have blade general, blade accessories, etc. Same way u have Blade Xda Live.
I just thought it would make an already awesome forum more awesome.
Please Vote
Community Engagement on xda developers
Where has the spirit gone of developers, making something better for all.
We like to make our devices better then what "stock" brings us.
But some people seem to forget what we are doing here: Create & Share
Why do people think that the "Open Source" software we are modifying or hacking is theirs to claim or Copyright.
Why are we not sharing and making better what others create...
Has the spirit here really gone?
And do we just want FAME ! !
If I was to create an app and hack Android, HTC or Samsung software by re-writing and adding code to it.
If this took me hours to do, this is still "Open Source" and people can copy my code in to their work.
The devs here are all working in a "Grey" area, and it's really hard not to see your work else where.
Consider it as a compliment if it is that way.
It took Google, HTC & Samsung hours to create what they made, do we care, and not touch it...
I don't think so ! !
HTC encrypts the Sense software because they don't want people to modify it... Do we care?
I don't think so...
So why do people/devs here on xda think that they can claim it for themselves?
Why do other devs get banned, or threads get closed if something similar is published?
We all Kang from Google, HTC & Samsung, but if we use some code from our fellow devs on xda, are we doing something wrong?
I don't get this!
I would really like this to be an open discussion, and try to clear this up for all of us.
My intention is not to start a fight, so please reply in a civilized way.
This also not directed to anybody in person
I hope the XDA staff can put themselves in my/our position, and try to understand it from this point of view.
My thoughts 1 day later @ post 141
DutchDanny said:
After a full day on this thread, I got more response then what I expected.
Thank you all for your participation.
You took the time to read this and give your opinion.
You all made me grow in my opinion, and maybe even change it a bit
What did it bring me:
Sharing now is for me: Collectively Developing (tnx Hacre)
I have no problems in being wrong, and might not have picked the correct words in some parts.
HIS POST
Good explanation on how the staff thinks
Thanks to my friend Russ for his well spoken words
HIS POST - HIS POST
What is reasonable and what not.
Tnx Ben, my fellow team member got me thinking as well
HIS POST - HIS POST
What am I gonna do now
beside building a rom and a kernel....
Gonna dig even more in the smali code (tnx af974)
HIS POST - HIS POST
For me this discussion is finished... Tnx ALL I'm gonna move on...
If the staff thinks the same, lock it for reference.
Cheers
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The ETHOS of XDA-Developers
Back when I was a Senior Moderator, I was asked to put into words what the mythical Ethos of XDA-Developers was. This was then debated by the moderators, Administrators and owners, it was never formally adopted but it was accepted by most as the closest anyone had come to defining what XDA is (was).
Ethos: an English word based on a Greek word and denotes the guiding beliefs or ideals that characterize a community, a nation or an ideology.
XDA-Developers was founded on the simple principal that SHARING IS GOOD and when many people SHARE what they know, EVERYONE benefits. We exist upon this Ethos, we respect each other, we SHARE with each other, we do not judge one another and we HELP all who ask. We believe that while some may have more knowledge than another, none are more important.
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It pains me greatly to see how XDA has degraded over the years to become a playground of egos and pissing contests between little boys who think they own what they stole from someone else.
I have been a strong supporter of XDA for many, many years but, I find my desire to support XDA is waning as the climate of sharing and camaraderie shift toward a climate of ownership and entitlement.
agreed so many phones left behind due to ego and epeen ppl always bailing on phones just because its not popular it takes work to get publicity ...
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it was the same issues on the galaxy s2. people kanging others and people getting annoyed and ending up releasing stuff with the exclusivity and banning others from using it.
android is an open source at the end of the day. if someone wants to kang someone as long as credits are given and links to the originator's thread what is wrong with that? at the end of the day it should be a compliment to the originator that someone wants to kang your work and share it with the masses.
now i can understand if someone passes something over as their own and did not give credits. that is wrong and the culprits should be banned. but as stated above if proper credits are given then i do not see the harm in things.
but again on the flip side though if i was to spend hours and hours on something then the person who asks me for permission they should respect that i do not want to share...it kinda goes both ways really so it is hard to judge...but there are devs and themers included who act like real divas and most of the time now they do things for fame as Danny mentioned.
at the end of the day we are xda and we are here as a community and here to make our phones better and that is why the devs on this awesome site come in...devs should be sharing ideas together..not competing against each other
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agreed so many phones left behind due to ego and epeen ppl always bailing on phones just because its not popular it takes work to get publicity ...
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Not sure we are talking about the same thing here my friend, its a much more important subject, sharing, the main reason XDA exists (or so I thought)
btw, thanked u when i was trying to quote ya, oh well, Ill share some love
There is really no better way to say it as both Danny and Russ summarized it very well. We are all here for one reason and one reason only, to SHARE. Isnt this what the "community" is about? I just hope the admins take a moment and reevaluate some of the people with powers around.
Ah before I forget, if you are gonna patent your "ideas" I really think its time for you to get a hold of apple, you already qualified with this mentality and in MY opinion, you do NOT belong here.
OK done venting... Thank u for listening.
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Not sure we are talking about the same thing here my friend, its a much more important subject, sharing, the main reason XDA exists (or so I thought)
btw, thanked u when i was trying to quote ya, oh well, Ill share some love
There is really no better way to say it as both Danny and Russ summarized it very well. We are all here for one reason and one reason only, to SHARE. Isnt this what the "community" is about? I just hope the admins take a moment and reevaluate some of the people with powers around.
Ah before I forget, if you are gonna patent your "ideas" I really think its time for you to get a hold of apple, you already qualified with this mentality and in MY opinion, you do NOT belong here.
OK done venting... Thank u for listening.
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oh trust me it happens in other forums as well. sometimes xda favors those who they want to favor and do not pay any attention to the other party and they side with those who they want to side with..it looks like politics sometimes and whoever is the topdog here should re-valuate the way the mods run the show here.
But the other thing though is devs who do not want to share there work, the dev who asked for permission and got knocked back should respect the other dev's decision. like i said at my post above it goes both ways. we can share but we can also not share as well....it is a difficult scenario really...but kanging and not getting permission is wrong
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oh trust me it happens in other forums as well. sometimes xda favors those who they want to favor and do not pay any attention to the other party and they side with those who they want to side with..it looks like politics sometimes and whoever is the topdog here should re-valuate the way the mods run the show here.
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Thats an other part of the discussion...
Who has the best friends here at XDA will win...
And those discussions are behind close doors.. As it would be better to show the "community" how they come to a decision.
And my post did not come out off the blue, but got me thinking on thinks that happend somewhere this week...
and made me a bit mad and disappointed @ xda
And I see a lot of people pushing the "thanks" button.. but I would like them to reply even more (hint xda staff )
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Thats an other part of the discussion...
Who has the best friends here at XDA will win...
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ahh mate that is so true. but not going to get into that. things should stay private specially between devs and mods. but sometimes us normal members like me would like to know what goes on though cause at the end of the day all this pickering effects the users of the roms cause we are the ones who miss out on class roms...so sometimes acting like kids is not always the best way to go about.
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ahh mate that is so true. but not going to get into that. things should stay private specially between devs and mods. but sometimes us normal members like me would like to know what goes on though cause at the end of the day all this pickering effects the users of the roms cause we are the ones who miss out on class roms...so sometimes acting like kids is not always the best way to go about.
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I would not wanna see the whole discussion, but they could publish the outcome in the thread(s) involved. So the community knows what happend and why.
And if all devs did share, the users would have even more choice to pick from.
And if all devs did share, the hack/tweak would only get better/bigger.
Here is my view on it.... we all agree that the spirit of XDA is about sharing. So if a certain person has spent many hours on programming/creating something and refuses to share it... why post it on XDA in the first place. I just don't get it, because in my eyes that's something small children do when one has something better than the others and refuses to share.
If you want to go 'look at what I've done, isn't it good, aren't I good?' And then go 'but you can't use it, because if you do I'm going to throw a tantrum...' Don't post it on XDA... somewhere, where the main rule is about sharing what you've done.
Just my opinion
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One of the main reason why I choose android is because of the openess of it. The reason why I'm in XDA is because of some great devs/hackers who spend time creating something wonderful and share it with the community without expecting anything in return. I really hope it stays that way.
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I would not wanna see the whole discussion, but they could publish the outcome in the thread(s) involved. So the community knows what happend and why.
And if all devs did share, the users would have even more choice to pick from.
And if all devs did share, the hack/tweak would only get better/bigger.
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DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you (at least in the part of permissions). If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.
So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.
My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.
just my 2ct.
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DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you. If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.
So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.
My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.
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I know you and me never saw eye to eye but you could not have put it any better. Well written post.
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In part i agree but in part nope.
The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:
User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.
It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"
So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....
And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.
Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.
Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.
I have to agree with the the majority so far, it does seem against the open source culture in which XDA tries to foster.
It does seem with the increase in "kanging" it creates a conundrum for Mods & Admins as to how to manage this, Do we enforce sharing? Do we try to create our own sort of "patent" system in which certain things must be shared under a so called "fair" use and other items such as themes for example be left under the current system we have as present?
We need to find a consensus amongst us as a community with a right way to proceed with this maybe danny could add a poll this to garner opinion on weather people would like to keep the current system or change it to get some sort of indication on weather the current system is working or not.
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DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you. If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.
So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.
My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.
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I think you have a real good point there.
All that is released on XDA is under sharing policy.
And not to be claimed.
Credits are the least we could do...
btw: noting happend to me, but to members close to me.. But thanks
af974 said:
In part i agree but in part nope.
The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:
User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.
It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"
So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....
And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.
Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.
Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.
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Please take this in consideration, cause this is what made me mad on xda for the decission it made this week, and what made me start this open discussion.
af974 said:
In part i agree but in part nope.
The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:
User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.
It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"
So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....
And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.
Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.
Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.
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Very well said, but to stay in your example, couldn't it be that the rom WITHOUT the two apk's is really "better" (in the sense of "more popular") than the original? And as long as the creator of that second version stats in his OP the he took the complete work of dev 1 and streamlined it, shouldn't that be enough?
You are absolutely right. The problem really is that some (more and more) guys lack that deserved respect for developers and just don't credit the source, thus pi... off the creator and making him "close" the source, thus restraining true development (if only by removing two apk ). The way to ensure a "fair use" should be discussed and finally fixed. Staying with the situation we have now, that ppl can keep others from using their bits more or less deliberately, maybe just because they don't like their "nose", can't be right. If there are good reasons (history of kanging or whatever), thats something else again.
I'm very sorry, cause I'm not a real dev or themer or contributor, just a young Andoid user and member who's integrated one team after pass sometime to found or help others xda members.
Why I came here on xda site. I'm french, my english is average, but some french forums bored me, that's why I came here, for all that @danny, @russ try to explain in this thread.
And since a couple of time, all of this spirit is gone. For what ?
Money, glory, respect...maybe? But I think not for the last term.
I am here because I want to share and help other members.
But also and because the eco-system Android allows this exchange and to move forward development for the pleasure of all.
Then stop, stop theses local wars and let yours feets on earth.
If you want to make some money, don't diffuse your codes, I think it's not necessary to stay here. Open your site and nobody will be able to take your codes.
Thanks for your listening
Here are my feelings on it.
What has angered me with certain attitudes towards sharing in xda recently, is that it seems to have been initially offered, then retracted. We are given a taste, then told "no more, go make your own". Was the plan to hook us like junkies, then we'd all only have one place to run to for our "fix"? Then when we are all hooked, the price goes up? No more freedom. Only one choice. Is that how you should gain followers on xda? I think we've been treated like guinea pigs then discarded. Permission is withdrawn, refused, then terms like "respect" get banded about. Don't treat us like this.
So we break free. Start from fresh. We are off the hook. Clean. But someone doesn't like us off the hook, pushing our own "product" and, worried about some false notion of competition or turf invasion, goes to lengths to make sure there is only one messiah.
Except this isn't a competition. We are not rivals in different factions or tribes or gangs depending on what Rom we choose to get involved with. We should not be in it for glory, or to be the "Big Dog" whose Rom is forbidden fruit to be envied by those who choose to wear the wrong colors. We are not looking to amass the biggest army as a mark of our success.
Why has this gotten this far? Without getting bogged down in the legalities of open source and gpl, I just think some people in high places need to take a step back. Stop and think. Where do you draw the line between keeping healthy community, encouraging development, and simply looking after your "homies"?
I feel this line is currently drawn in the wrong place. And it didn't use to be.
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There does need to be a clear consensus and line drawn, so we can all ensure that the rules are clear and followed.
That being said; I, like many agree but also disagree.
Sharing here is much like in a store; you as a consumer have a choice. Now albeit here we do not pay for your 'goods' we do still take certain risks(warranty's etc). Now, XDA is also about offering choice so if the sharing policy extends to the point that we can take everything then what choice will be left. Much like you see everywhere on XDA choice is being eliminated everywhere as more builds are essentially the same but for a few wallpapers and tweaks in the build.prop which quite frankly ruins the whole point of having choice and there being more than one available.
Fair enough if someone has spent hours/days/weeks making something and shares it here but that shouldn't automatically then mean that every other 'dev' can bang it in theirs. All they have to do it ctrl+c, ctrl+v the thing after all your hard spent effort on it. The developer should be allowed to be proud of their work and it not to be diluted with it being everywhere. Yes I think we should help, share and combine efforts but if you have improved something and don't wish to share it then fair enough there is no law to state you have to and should someone effectively plagiarise your work then there should be punishments.
If I ask someone for something I would like and they say no, then I go get it myself or do without. I don't just take it anyway, that's what babies do when they don't understand the laws of society which even apply when you are online.
That's my input.
Hi,
I am a software developer, installed a rom in my cellphone from this forum and have some bugs to report.
I cant! Why? I'm a new user, need 10 threads... Ok let's post some threads,
I cant! Why? 5 minute beetween eath thread.... Ok, since I love this forum's community and respect your work, let's buy the pro-xda-forum app from the store. Maybe being a premium xda-forum member I can post.
I cant either!
OK, guys. It seem you are preventing both SPAM and potential users in the forum with your rules...
Just a constructive critic.
PD: don't need a reply saying the importance of prevent spam, and so... There are better ways to manage this issue.
Its to stop idiots posting useless crap in the dev topics.
Pointless *****ing from someone who thinks he is better than everybody else. Reported.
We all had to deal with this, and those of us who put the time and effort in are thankful for these restrictions as there would be even more idiots and wasters without them.
Suck it up, take the fall do the time. That made you what you are. That makes you what you are. How long have we been around this thing of ours?
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TheATHEiST said:
Its to stop idiots posting useless crap in the dev topics.
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I respect this. I underestand I need to be a more mature user in the forum for this.
Just wanted to feedback the frustration I felt
Obviously I won't leave the forum, it's well organized, and has excelent developers around. And the staff knows this jejej
qcho said:
I respect this. I underestand I need to be a more mature user in the forum for this.
Just wanted to feedback the frustration I felt
Obviously I won't leave the forum, it's well organized, and has excelent developers around. And the staff knows this jejej
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If you used tge search you would see 100+ threads like this. Theres no point nothings going to change juat get on with it
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are the 10 posts that difficult?!
have a little patience and after a day or two(estimated time for 10 constuctive posts and not spam) the thread you trying to post will still be there....
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are the 10 posts that difficult?!
have a little patience and after a day or two(estimated time for 10 constuctive posts and not spam) the thread you trying to post will still be there....
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Indeed really 10 posts wouldnt take long. Im sure tgere are plenty of threads in q&a and gen sections you can contribute to
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Yeah I think you are right, Just need paciente...
I thank that guy Who reported this thread, there is no other think I want but to raise the issue to the admins But I really think it's too much to bother them....
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Indeed really 10 posts wouldnt take long. Im sure tgere are plenty of threads in q&a and gen sections you can contribute to
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Indeed. Thanks for the good vibes
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And now it seems that you are using your own thread to get to 10 posts...
Seriously? Is it so difficult to get 10 USEFUL posts?
Just look around! You'll find plenty of noobs asking the same question, all you gotta do is make the day for 10 chaps...
And as a software developer, you should very well know the potential and threat of spam...
Also, the 10 post rule has a deeper meaning attached...it is there so that users inculcate a habit of assisting in the flow of knowledge...
They should realize that the journey is more important than the result...
I see that you have 3 more posts to go...do try and help out a few blokes on the way...
I don't know about others, but I am actually interested on your 11th post in the dev section...
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Think I did a useful proposal here. I read in the explanation for this noob-spam issues that if we know of a better alternative to filter users just propose it.
If you read me between lines you have a proper alternative by just letting the ones, like me, who contribute in the xda-premium app to change their user status to something less restrictive.
Don't you think it's a good idea to both enhance the app-buys and give users like me an alternative?
Don't want to mess with the forum, just report a bug since yesterday jejejeje
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qcho said:
Think I did a useful proposal here. I read in the explanation for this noob-spam issues that if we know of a better alternative to filter users just propose it.
If you read me between lines you have a proper alternative by just letting the ones, like me, who contribute in the xda-premium app to change their user status to something less restrictive.
Don't you think it's a good idea to both enhance the app-buys and give users like me an alternative?
Don't want to mess with the forum, just report a bug since yesterday jejejeje
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No, I think it is a really bad idea. A total of $1 to get some sort of 'Special' status? Because the people who want to come on here purely to spam and try to get commercial crap posted won't want to pay $1 to get a quicker and easier route to doing that will they
While your proposed idea does look good on paper, the issue of piracy pops in...
Android is the worst os when it comes to development, from an anti-piracy point of view...
Granted that piracy is rampant on other os's too, but it is much much much more than any other os of its calibre...
I can bet my whole work on xda that more than 80% of all android users have pirated an app or game or theme or whatever...
So, as I said, granting dev area access to all junior members is not such a good idea, as it would actually increase app piracy, rather than push up sales...
2 more to go...
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It's nice to share thoughts. I see your point.
Ppl from the forum you may close/delete this thread if you think it's no sense of mine.
As for my eleventh post you are waiting to read, won't be the bug report. Already found another way to contact the Dev. Had plenty of time looking for it between posts xD
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qcho said:
It's nice to share thoughts. I see your point.
Ppl from the forum you may close/delete this thread if you think it's no sense of mine.
As for my eleventh post you are waiting to read, won't be the bug report. Already found another way to contact the Dev. Had plenty of time looking for it between posts xD
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If I may, I actually request you to post the link of the thread you were about to post in, and the actual post that you were about to make...
I might be able to make your time on XDA easier and free of major trolls...
Also, a helpful advice:
Since the dev obviously doesn't mind getting contacted through other means (coz he did put up his contact info on the open internet), I urge you to respect other's privacy...
Do remember, the people around here are volunteers, and not Customer Care Representatives...
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If I may, I actually request you to post the link of the thread you were about to post in, and the actual post that you were about to make...
I might be able to make your time on XDA easier and free of major trolls...
Also, a helpful advice:
Since the dev obviously doesn't mind getting contacted through other means (coz he did put up his contact info on the open internet), I urge you to respect other's privacy...
Do remember, the people around here are volunteers, and not Customer Care Representatives...
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Thank you for your concern.
This is the ROM-post (FOXHOUND for GalaxyS3): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1708371
This is the issue:
Hi, I’m having issues with the phone-number recognition algorithm. Is there any tweak with it here o just a JellyBean error?
Here in Buenos Aires, Argentina we have this numbers: +54 11 0000-0000, if the number is a cellular phone, we add a nine like: +54 9 11 2222-2222. I have all the mobiles in my contactlist like that. But because the ’9′ is not used for internal calls, The network providers don’t forward the nine and I see +54 11 2222-2222.
So When an incoming call / sms says the number is +54 11 2222-222, The phone doesn’t show the proper contact because it’s missing the ’9′ in front of it.
In stock rom from my galaxy S3, my old iphone, and some other roms I tested I didn’t have this issue. Any ideas?
thanks!!!
qcho said:
Thank you for your concern.
This is the ROM-post (FOXHOUND for GalaxyS3): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1708371
This is the issue:
Hi, I’m having issues with the phone-number recognition algorithm. Is there any tweak with it here o just a JellyBean error?
Here in Buenos Aires, Argentina we have this numbers: +54 11 0000-0000, if the number is a cellular phone, we add a nine like: +54 9 11 2222-2222. I have all the mobiles in my contactlist like that. But because the ’9′ is not used for internal calls, The network providers don’t forward the nine and I see +54 11 2222-2222.
So When an incoming call / sms says the number is +54 11 2222-222, The phone doesn’t show the proper contact because it’s missing the ’9′ in front of it.
In stock rom from my galaxy S3, my old iphone, and some other roms I tested I didn’t have this issue. Any ideas?
thanks!!!
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Contrary to what I had believed, your post doesn't have a close precedent (from what I could conclude through a quick google)
While I do not know the solution or what causes such issues on your device, I can suggest a workaround...
You obviously use call log pretty much...
In my phone, there does appear an option to edit numbers before calling...what this does is simply copy-pasting the number to the dialler where you can freely edit it...
There, its a simple matter of adding a 9 in between...
P.s. I don't run jb, so the exact option may vary
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Contrary to what I had believed, your post doesn't have a close precedent (from what I could conclude through a quick google)
While I do not know the solution or what causes such issues on your device, I can suggest a workaround...
You obviously use call log pretty much...
In my phone, there does appear an option to edit numbers before calling...what this does is simply copy-pasting the number to the dialler where you can freely edit it...
There, its a simple matter of adding a 9 in between...
P.s. I don't run jb, so the exact option may vary
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Thank you for your time looking for a fix and the workarround.
I found another one, just putting both phones in the contact works for me. Now I have my regular contacts with both with and without the '9'.
Why do you need the contact with '9' ? Because if I am abroad and have to talk to a mobile phone in my country, the 9 is a must to establish the call.
Why do you need the contact without the '9' ? Just because the phone can't recognize the contact if not.
Really appreciete the devotion in solving others issues. Keep up the good work making this forum the great place it is.
If it was an open source rom, I'm sure you could patch the framework to ignore the lack of 9 for caller id
I'm a bit noob on Android, had I Phone since it's release. But I'll be checking if I can review this in the source.
Was my first thought
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