http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/25/microsoft-windows-phone-7-upgrades-will-be-possible-up-to-oems/
Alright, keep your socks on here, this is as noncommittal a statement as Redmond can make on the matter, but when asked directly about the likelihood and possibility of Windows Mobile 6.5 phones being transitioned to the new hotness that is Windows Phone 7 Series, Microsoft's Alex Reeve had this to say:
"It's early days yet, and that's really for our hardware partners to think about"
As the Director of the company's UK Mobile Business Group, he's well positioned to know what's going to happen after said early days, and it's encouraging to hear that at least Microsoft won't be putting up any barriers to that HD2 upgrade we're all dreaming about. After all, the Chassis 1 specs we keep hearing about tend to sound an awful lot like HTC's 1GHz Snapdragon-powered bad self, so let's keep our fingers crossed and our minds open.
Sultan1993 said:
After all, the Chassis 1 specs we keep hearing about tend to sound an awful lot like HTC's 1GHz Snapdragon-powered bad self, so let's keep our fingers crossed and our minds open.
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The "chassis 1" specs out of date, though; they applied to the old proposed "Windows Mobile 7" (codenamed Photon), not to WP7.
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The "chassis 1" specs out of date, though; they applied to the old proposed "Windows Mobile 7" (codenamed Photon), not to WP7.
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The "chassis 1 specs" still exist. MS has updated them since that old leak obviously but they certainly are for WP7. There's at least 3 known chassis.
We've read the news stories and blogs on the different "chassis" that will be offered with WP7S, but the latest from MIX10, suggests that Microsoft is sinking themselves without another option for techies and business users. I understand the attempt to imitate the iPhone; it's a get-rich quick scheme and opens the market for a lot more people buying Windows Phones. But if all the eggs are in that basket, it won't survive. If you've got the normal population on hand, overall, WP7S will lose. Techies and business users CHOSE Windows Mobile for its capabilities. If you don't cater to them (and MIX10 sounds like you don't), then what do you have that will sell?
I just think that Microsoft is smarter than this and perhaps I, myself, am getting a little ahead of the game. Yes, the news from MIX10 is terribly disappointing and sad, but is this just a PIECE of the pie? Will there be other versions within this so-called "series" that allow copy and paste, multitasking, file exploration, registry editing, etc.?
Please, someone help me from falling into a Windows Depression.
i think there originaly was some talk about there going to be two versions of WM7. a media Edition and a business Edition..
Let's not forget Pink also... which is another piece of puzzle that I don't think we understand. Supposedly, that is also running Win CE...
i am more interested in the business version(windows mobile classic) which is going to be continuation of winmo 6.x.
so im wallking around and come across two O2 phone shops. ( currently the only uk supply of the HD7) what do i see?
outside the shop.
Apple = 2 LARGE Apple iphone4 posters in front window. unmissable.
Microsoft = er no mention of HD7 or wp7outside the shop that i can remember.
it gets worse
Inside the shop.
Apple = 1 large centerpiece table with FOUR iphone 4s available to play with
Microsoft = 1 WP7 HD7 hidden away in the corner at the back of the shop
result apple 2 microsoft 0
Is this the big marketing push microsoft was on about? this just just what ive seen from Both major o2 stores, im not even going to bother with orange or t-mobile! how can ms expect to compete when their marketing stinks? anyone else notice stuff like this from other stores?
germany seems to be quite the opposite.
was in a t-mobile and a vodafone shop yesterday.
tmo: BIG plastic wp7 in window presenting the UI, wp7 and apple poster outside,
inside in the center big table with wp7 mozart and omnia7 to play around with, iphone on side of the table, not usable, android at side of the shop, no phone usable
vodafone: 3 wp7 and 1 apple posters, in the center wp7 trophy (not usable), iphone on a side-shelf not usable either, windows only presenting wp7
so i think they did a quite good job here, iphone hype seems kind of getting boring
thats good to hear. it just that here you would think that the iphone has only just been released and that wp7 is the older platform. thats how good apple marketing seems to be. ( with plenty of help from the carriers of course.)
you do realise that MS can't control the carriers right? if the carriers want to advertise, they will. MS can try and persuade, but at the end of the day, the carrier will always back the one already bringing in the money. until windows phone proves itself, it won't get the same attention.
i'm a windows person and would love to see it more prominent as well, but this is the facts. australia has pretty much the same situation, everyone is just iPhone crazy and so are the carriers.
i hear ya, but i also dont see many if any wp7 ads on tv either cetrainly not any useful ones anyway.......
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you do realise that MS can't control the carriers right? if the carriers want to advertise, they will. MS can try and persuade, but at the end of the day, the carrier will always back the one already bringing in the money. until windows phone proves itself, it won't get the same attention.
i'm a windows person and would love to see it more prominent as well, but this is the facts. australia has pretty much the same situation, everyone is just iPhone crazy and so are the carriers.
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Where did $500 million allocated for advertisement go? TV commercials?
well if you look at the TV ads you can see that Apple has better advertising. The Facetime and app commercials are a lot better than "I can snap a picture a millisecond faster than you" WP7 commercials. At least WP7 actually has ads. I have never seen a winmo commercial. Even the HD2, they only said it had a fast processor, big screen, and came with transformers, they never mentioned any software pros, so MS is on the way up, but their commercials really do suck, especially when the MT4G, Evo, iPhone 4 commercials are all about about video chat and 4G, neither of which WP7 can claim.
WP7 is just not going to be on par with Android or iOS for a while, till it becomes another mainstream OS, but if I went and asked ANYONE I know what WP7 is, they wouldn't have a damn clue, or say "oh I thought I saw that one with those big squares right?"
MS doesn't give any info about the OS other than you have big ass tiles that update and apparently you can open your camera app fast.
If that's the only thing your OS can do, then people are going to go with the alternative.
In the AT&T stores in the U.S., soon as you walk in the door and turn left, you hit the iPhone section. iPhones get the royal treatment. You have to search for all the other phones (no prominent displays).
I think MS is limited in advertising because they have a separation from the hardware. MS only advertise the OS. I haven't seen any HTC/LG/Samsung WP7 TV ads for their own hardware. Because of this disconnect, I think we'll never see absolutely great advertising for WP7 (Android neither). Apple's "take total control over everything" approach seems to be paying off well for them.
I think MS needs to do joint advertising with all of its hardware partners. As of now, the WP7 phones have no "market personality" the way iPhones and some Androids do. I've seen AT&T WP7 commercials that are reminiscent of early iPhone commercials. I give AT&T credit for having the best WP7 TV ads so far. Unfortunately, they aren't that amazing either.
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I've seen AT&T WP7 commercials that are reminiscent of early iPhone commercials. I give AT&T credit for having the best WP7 TV ads so far. Unfortunately, they aren't that amazing either.
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True story - even with German providers.
am i the only one that thinks windows phone 7 ads are good? :S i like them they spead the truth!
I agree that their first couple of ads for WP7 were terrible but the latest 2 they have shown have been really good. They are finally starting to show what the os can do by talking about the Xbox live integration and the airport commerical that shows off the bing search.
http://www.osnews.com/story/25480/Microsoft_To_Acquire_Nokia_s_Smartphone_Division_
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Microsoft To Acquire Nokia's Smartphone Division? posted by Thom Holwerda on Thu 5th Jan 2012 11:25 UTC This rumour is not new, nor is it particularly earth-shattering. However, with Windows Phone 7 failing to make a dent in the market place, and Nokia's Lumia 800 not making huge waves either, the rumour's been taken out of the shed again: Microsoft is supposedly acquiring Nokia's smartphone division later this year. Stephen Elop will resign from Nokia shortly afterwards.
This time around, the rumour's being rekindled by Eldar Murtazin, the Russian editor-in-chief of Mobile-Review.com. He has a pretty good track record regarding Nokia, and has often had very, very early access to device prototypes and other information. However, as always, a firm pile of salt should be readily available at all times when reading this.
"Steve Balmer, Andy Lees and Stephen Elop, Kai Ostamo will meet in Las Vegas to finalize agreement about Nokia smartphone unit," he tweeted. The deal is apparently so that Microsoft also gets a few manufacturing plants, and, of course, an extensive patent portfolio. The Nokia name is set to disappear from the Microsoft smartphones that would follow from this acquisition.
It would leave Nokia with its feature phone business, networking equipment, and an assortment of other activities. While many think this would mean the end of Nokia, I highly doubt it will be - the company is 140 years old, has survived multiple crises and product transitions (they started out as a paper company, after all). Nokia will survive, even without smartphones, but that doesn't make it any less tragic.
This deal certainly wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. It's becoming ever more clear that all those naysayers were right, back when the Microsoft-Nokia deal was announced. Stephen Elop is a mole, with only one goal: to drive Nokia into the ground, so that Microsoft can swoop in and acquire the interesting parts for a relatively low price. The N9 demonstrated that Nokia did have an option besides the failing Windows Phone 7, and that the deal with Microsoft wasn't a necessity at all.
We'll have to see how it all pans out over the course of 2012, but this doesn't seem like a crazy prediction. Sad.
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Patent mongering ?
Company absorbtion ?
Apple-like hardware control ?
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wouldn't be surprising. Symbian still the most used smartphone OS, I just don't understand why the company didn't improve, and update it. They killed the proven Symbian OS ,for a unproven unpopular OS that they have no control over.
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It won't surprise me either.
My 2 years old Symbian nokia, can do at least everything my WP7 can do, + even much more things.
the only problema is the screen-res thats 320x240.
Nokia went from actually good OS with no future, to an actually bad OS, with a very doubt future.
Eh, last I checked the lumia 800 series was doing great in Europe...
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Eh, last I checked the lumia 800 series was doing great in Europe...
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If you have a link to official sales numbers, please post. I've read a lot of speculation on both +/- for sales over there, but no official numbers.
Either way, I'm second guessing microsofts intentions, if any.
I started ignoring anything Eldar Murtazin says a long time ago
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If you have a link to official sales numbers, please post. I've read a lot of speculation on both +/- for sales over there, but no official numbers.
Either way, I'm second guessing microsofts intentions, if any.
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Strangely the same request for confirmation doesnt seem to be made when the talk is of low WP7 sales, just accepted as the truth.
Anyway, Nokia has denied it, update at the botttom of this story: http://www.slashgear.com/microsofts-nokia-smartphone-division-acquisition-tipped-imminent-05206304/
The rumor may or may not be true (and it most likely is not), but public denials are not now, nor have they ever been, proof that an acquisition is not imminent. I have worked for numerous companies that have been acquired, and in every case, right up until the day the acquisition was officially announced, the companies that I worked for denied the "rumors". That is just standard business practice to avoid too much market volatility.
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Strangely the same request for confirmation doesnt seem to be made when the talk is of low WP7 sales, just accepted as the truth.
Anyway, Nokia has denied it, update at the botttom of this story: http://www.slashgear.com/microsofts-nokia-smartphone-division-acquisition-tipped-imminent-05206304/
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yep the truth is still tied up somewhere... apple loves to flaunt 4 million sales in a weekend, android 500,000+ activations a day... and microsoft, balmer only says that sales were less than expected. not much to go on. :-(
you mentioned the update, her's the text:
Update: Nokia UK has given us the following comment:
“We’ve put these rumours to rest a long time ago. The focus for Nokia is on executing on our partnership around Windows Phone and growing the ecosystem, and each company has the tools they need to do so”
yes, that sounds like the normal corporate-speak for "we don't want insider trading or speculations hurting our stocks" as normal.
still waiting on official numbers, and apparently waiting a little longer for a possible aquisition.
It would be awesome if MS could have their own branded phones like Apple.
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It would be awesome if MS could have their own branded phones like Apple.
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Well that would upset HTC, Samsung etc. and also take all the Nokia-coolness away from the phones.
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Well that would upset HTC, Samsung etc. and also take all the Nokia-coolness away from the phones.
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posted before I did
the nokia venture is ultimately a bad idea especially if it is relegated to the dumb phone scene
vetvito said:
wouldn't be surprising. Symbian still the most used smartphone OS, I just don't understand why the company didn't improve, and update it. They killed the proven Symbian OS ,for a unproven unpopular OS that they have no control over.
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You would say that.
Where again where Symbian sales heading for Nokia? They were bleeding marketshare. The writing was on the wall for Symbian. Argue that Nokia should have gone to Android, but not that they should not have stuck with Symbian.
Symbian was not going anywhere positive. The overhead of making your own software has exponential penalties when you are losing sales. The app catalogue was not progressing. Now instead of slowly dying like RIM, Nokia made a gamble. Microsoft could provide them with some perks that the open source world of Android could not.
Now, just like I see a conflict of interest with Google owning Motorola, I see a problem with Microsoft owning Nokia. But maybe they can spin it like Google did -
"We did this to protect the ecosystem. Motorola will operate separately. Don't be worried."
nokia showed an overall growth w/ symbian last year
isn't that extremely positive for a sinking ship
And it is still number one in terms of international handset maker even if samsung is closing in really fast
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You would say that.
Where again where Symbian sales heading for Nokia? They were bleeding marketshare. The writing was on the wall for Symbian. Argue that Nokia should have gone to Android, but not that they should not have stuck with Symbian.
Symbian was not going anywhere positive. The overhead of making your own software has exponential penalties when you are losing sales. The app catalogue was not progressing. Now instead of slowly dying like RIM, Nokia made a gamble. Microsoft could provide them with some perks that the open source world of Android could not.
Now, just like I see a conflict of interest with Google owning Motorola, I see a problem with Microsoft owning Nokia. But maybe they can spin it like Google did -
"We did this to protect the ecosystem. Motorola will operate separately. Don't be worried."
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Selective reading? You miss the part where I said "improve". All they had to do was update.
You do know Symbian still outsells Win phone, don't you?
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Saying all Nokia had to do is improve Symbian is kind of like saying all Microsoft needed to do to compete with the iPhone was to improve Windows Mobile
Anyway, it looks like the market and analysts are now expecting good things from Nokia. Hopefully they are right
technically speaking, winphone is a improvement of WM. Unless you're not thinking logically.
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Selective reading? You miss the part where I said "improve". All they had to do was update.
You do know Symbian still outsells Win phone, don't you?
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I did not selectively read. Because improving it oh so easy. The OS was flat not not attractive. Symbian Anna and Belle are improvements but its nowhere near Android.
Your product is crap. Just improve it.
Last numbers I saw Symbian was still the #1 OS in certain markets. That because Nokia puts Symbian on near everything. Have you owned any Symbian phones? I have. Remember Nokia's share used to be 40%. Last number I saw was in the 20s. Why? Smartphone explosion.
Symbian was sinking and taking Nokia with them. Fact.
So you ditch it, and still sink? Meego was a great alternative, all I'm saying is don't foolishly put all your eggs in one basket.
Symbian, Meego, and Winphone couldve helped Nokia.
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So you ditch it, and still sink? Meego was a great alternative, all I'm saying is don't foolishly put all your eggs in one basket.
Symbian, Meego, and Winphone couldve helped Nokia.
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What about the expenses and overheads of the company? What about the business aspect of that decision? Nokia's problem was they had too many OSes.
Symbian S40, S60 5th edition, Symbian UIQ, S^3, Meego, Maemo. And a partridge in a pear tree.
But in a btw, since 'killing off" Symbian, they have released updates and new phones using Symbian. Maybe there is a place for Symbian like there is a place for Bada and Brew.
Vet, you obvious do not like Windows Phone. At all. But Symbian was a dead end. And Meego? Cmon. They are not getting to 50,000 apps in under a year with Meego. The only valid argument I can understand is Nokia should have ditched Symbian for Android.
Windows Phone has been dead for a good year now, and Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates has decided it’s also time to move on. In an interview with Fox News Sunday, Gates reveals he’s now using an Android phone. While Gates doesn’t reveal the exact model, he does note that it has “a lot of Microsoft software” on it, which could suggest it’s a special Microsoft Edition Samsung Galaxy S8 handset with bundled software.
Microsoft started selling the Samsung Galaxy S8 handset in its retail stores earlier this year, and it includes apps like Office, OneDrive, Cortana, and Outlook. Any Android phone also supports these apps, but Microsoft’s customized S8 does suggest the company might continue to offer this for other Android devices in the future.
While Gates is switching to Android, he’s still not interested in an iPhone. Gates famously banned iPhones and iPods at home in the past, but he does admit that Steve Jobs was a “genius” in the Fox interview. Gates is still using Windows-based PCs, but he’s still not switching over to an iPhone, despite the Steve Jobs praise.