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i want myphone to be superior to iphone or any other phone in terms of user friendly, easy to use, and the things still lacking with myphone not to be superior in comparison of iphone but in comparison of any other device.
1) multi touch functionality in browser and pictures.
2) videos in Internet browser doesn't open in full Screen when we play. (There should be something from which we should be able to watch video from skyfire or any other browser in full screen mode as iphone does with dailymotion or other flash enabled videos).
3) Plugins for opera to play those different video files because skyfire i don't believe its that good in terms of usability, scalability, flexibility.
Optional things: (it can be)
4) Messaging, Email Layout looks horrible.
Share thought and links if any of those facility arrives.
Thanks
Tikejhya
go buy an iphone and sell your touch HD
to be honest keep the touch hd.
the Winmo interface is alot better than the iphone,
im trying to sell my iphone at the moment to get a touch pro (i lost mine) or an x1, because i really love htc / win mo... ALOT more than iphone.
Give iris a shot.. its starting to be a serious contender
Really?
Really?
At the moment I have an Omnia, Touch Pro and iPhone.
Omnia is fun - and I really enjoy it (I know many people disagree but it is really a fun WinMo phone).
I didn't like the Touch Pro at all. It's slow, too thick, the screen is too hard and the D-Pad are the worst I've ever used.
I would never recommend anyone to get it. The Touch HD is much better if you insist on an HTC device.
The iPhone has, at the moment at least, a superior technology, I have 500 cool games and apps and it's an amazing device.
It misses the today screen or something like the TouchFlo or SPB Mobile Shell but that's probably the only problem I have with it at the moment.
(I even found a few cool tricks to turn the iPhone into a WinMo phone)
I'm still a winMo fan, but I see it as having a laptop and a PlayStation at the same time, each one has a different use.
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Really?
At the moment I have an Omnia, Touch Pro and iPhone.
Omnia is fun - and I really enjoy it (I know many people disagree but it is really a fun WinMo phone).
I didn't like the Touch Pro at all. It's slow, too thick, the screen is too hard and the D-Pad are the worst I've ever used.
I would never recommend anyone to get it. The Touch HD is much better if you insist on an HTC device.
The iPhone has, at the moment at least, a superior technology, I have 500 cool games and apps and it's an amazing device.
It misses the today screen or something like the TouchFlo or SPB Mobile Shell but that's probably the only problem I have with it at the moment.
(I even found a few cool tricks to turn the iPhone into a WinMo phone)
I'm still a winMo fan, but I see it as having a laptop and a PlayStation at the same time, each one has a different use.
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have you installed custom roms onto the touch pro? as i found the stock rom was crap but custom roms were great interms of speed etc.
I put a custom rom onto my Touch HD and its really opened the device up! Duttys 3.3! look it up!
iPhone's Suck!
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touch hd is best device coz i got iphone aswell but bitter truth
and insist for developer to build somethung that could enable htc user to have better feel something like
messaging interfqce is not eye plzing and file explorer should be those things something like spb3 or point ui interface.
i think so as we are quite often using sms and email and file explorer
cheers guys but definately lacking those things
Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
I've only just been reading up on both phones, so take what I say with a grain of salt:
The Iphone may be a better for multimedia playback, due to the inclusion of 3.5mm jack and notably good sound quality. Also, the casual game selection is fairly good. If you want more functionality/versality, definitely consider jailbreaking the iphone, otherwise it's not really comparable to the TP2. Check out ipodtouchfans.com, they cater to jailbroken iphones/itouches.
If you're looking for something to be truly productive on, particularly in a business environment (kind of reminds me of a mini-netbook), consider the TP2. If you want a multimedia PDA with great sound, consider the iphone. If you want a fair mix of both, the Samsung Omnia II (coming to Verizon, no hard keyboard) looks to have potential.
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
For users that just want a touch screen phone with a very slick interface with everything ready to go and nothing to tamper with to make it run at 110% then get the iPhone.
For those who want the option to fully hack and customise their device but are fully aware that Windows Mobile will never really be 100% user friendly and smooth running without tweaks and modifications then get a Windows Mobile device.
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First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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Totally Agreed.
TP2 is a business phone which target working people like me, hee hee. Iphone is more for entertainment. :>
radiowc said:
Totally Agreed.
TP2 is a business phone which target working people like me, hee hee. Iphone is more for entertainment. :>
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Indeed... iPhone is an ipod with phone funtionality, in the world of PDAs the iPhone is just a toy...
beast0898 said:
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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I totaly agree!!! i think i wudnt be able to live without running a few programs at the same time n switchin between them...which the iPhone isnt capable to do... plus i like it when im in charge n i can customize my phone to the limit... while the IPhone is pretty limited on this...
soo i wud say go for the TP2 ...
my "unbiased" opinion
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maybe the apps on it (TP2) won't be as good as the ones available on iphone...
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If you honestly think so then get one!!
iPhone is a toy.
TP2 is a tool with the flexibility to be a toy if you want it to be.
I must say I LOVE IPHONES for one reason and one reason only. They keep all the non tech savy people away from winmo Now to get more specific.
The iphone 3gs will probably be a lot faster than the TP2 but lets be realisitic here. Whats the point of super fast phone when u have no flexibility to do whatever u want with it. Its like me giving u a super computer and saying hey u can only play solitare. The iphone screen is smaller with a lower resolution. It has a ton of apps but still no where near what winmo has if u include all of the software out there. The iphone doesn't have a keyboard but has a nice software keyboard but personally i like to have the flexibility to use a hw keyboard or sw keyboard cause HTC's keyboard is quite nice. The one thing i have to give apple is they listen to what their customers want, within reason that is. Microsoft only responds to competition.
I have to say this one last piece. The simplier the device the less features it has. Its like the engineering creed.
" If it isn't broken then it doesn't have enough features yet"
I don't think anyone has the iphone 3g in their hands yet for evalution...
But, stay with the TP2 & this forum's support
beast0898 said:
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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I am totally agree with your opinion here. I can't see iPhone as a pocket pc. For me Touch Pro 2 all the way!
First post, but I'd take the Touch Pro 2 over an iPhone. iPhone is basically a multimedia device. You could just go out anytime and buy an ipod touch for that, no? That 5 row keyboard just looks to damn good.
I'm really hoping the Touch Pro 2 comes to Telus and soon..
EazyDeazy said:
Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
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Enter an iphone store and ask which is better iphoney or TP2
What will be the result??
same case here mate....
beast0898 said:
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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I secound that!
Aisorik said:
I've only just been reading up on both phones, so take what I say with a grain of salt:
The Iphone may be a better for multimedia playback, due to the inclusion of 3.5mm jack and notably good sound quality. Also, the casual game selection is fairly good. If you want more functionality/versality, definitely consider jailbreaking the iphone, otherwise it's not really comparable to the TP2. Check out ipodtouchfans.com, they cater to jailbroken iphones/itouches.
If you're looking for something to be truly productive on, particularly in a business environment (kind of reminds me of a mini-netbook), consider the TP2. If you want a multimedia PDA with great sound, consider the iphone. If you want a fair mix of both, the Samsung Omnia II (coming to Verizon, no hard keyboard) looks to have potential.
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The audio booster makes the sound quality unbelievable on my tilt with sennheiser headphones, so Im not sure how an iphone could be better, in fact it already sounds so amazing I dont think its even possible to notice if it gets better, but then again ive never really listened to an iphone with my headphones, so I just said that so that people don't think that wm phones have bad sound quality or anything, but then again without the audio booster it isnt all that amazing I have to admit, which doesn't mean its bad, its still pretty good its not like it sounds bad, it just doesn't amaze me lol
T3ku said:
I totaly agree!!! i think i wudnt be able to live without running a few programs at the same time n switchin between them...which the iPhone isnt capable to do... plus i like it when im in charge n i can customize my phone to the limit... while the IPhone is pretty limited on this...
soo i wud say go for the TP2 ...
my "unbiased" opinion
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I also toatlly secound that I will admit iphones are pretty nice, but they lack stuff too, like that for example, but personally I dont like iphones
Bxsteez said:
I must say I LOVE IPHONES for one reason and one reason only. They keep all the non tech savy people away from winmo Now to get more specific.
The iphone 3gs will probably be a lot faster than the TP2 but lets be realisitic here. Whats the point of super fast phone when u have no flexibility to do whatever u want with it. Its like me giving u a super computer and saying hey u can only play solitare. The iphone screen is smaller with a lower resolution. It has a ton of apps but still no where near what winmo has if u include all of the software out there. The iphone doesn't have a keyboard but has a nice software keyboard but personally i like to have the flexibility to use a hw keyboard or sw keyboard cause HTC's keyboard is quite nice. The one thing i have to give apple is they listen to what their customers want, within reason that is. Microsoft only responds to competition.
I have to say this one last piece. The simplier the device the less features it has. Its like the engineering creed.
" If it isn't broken then it doesn't have enough features yet"
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I secound that too by the way
This forum is specific to HTC so you aren't going to get a bunch of fanboy iphone stuff in here. I'll do my best.
I'm 95% ATT FUZE 5% iphone 2g 3.0 with 3GS use as of today.
iPhone 3GS PROS
Very easy to bedazzle
Near flawless performance, I never miss calls on the iphone due to too many apps open or performance slowdown. Part of the advantage of a closed hardware/software platform.
Improved screen still very bright, crisp and fabulous under the finger control
Landscape keyboard is great on the 3gs, I wouldn't doubt that you could type 90% as fast as on a hardware keyboard.
Capable of PLENTY of business activities, I am completely confused when people rip the iphone abilities to integrate into a person's worklife even a network. VPN, sync, Outlook sync, Gmail, Yahoo app, Quickbooks. I guess if you need to program in VB or do some SQL pounding on the train then the iphone is out, haha.
apps and app creation is an unheralded levels, more developers than on any other platform. Too many to even list and all are far superior to the windows mobile versions. Simply go compare the most recent Tiger Woods between the two platforms. WM is a joke.
games are incredibly good and highly supported
pdf, doc, excel, what the hell else is needed? There is an app for it probably too if it's not out of the box.
jailbreaking is pretty straightforward, as straightforward as dealing with hard spl and flashing new roms.
accessories, speaker setups, availability of fun new things all the time at major stores, in the airport, etc. Walk anywhere and find an accessory that fits and is meant for your exact model. Frick, vending machines even.
Operating System is fast, reliable and does as it is supposed to.
Locked operating system and hardware means better apps over time as developers are able to program for a specific device
iPhone 3GS Cons
The great grandmother next door may own one too, it may make you feel technically out of the high-end loop as she plays sudoku online with her 'girlfriends'
Non-removeable battery (not a problem for me, I have never changed the battery on an extended trip, etc, I don't travel far distances though)
No Expandable memory port (can't imagine that 16 gigs isn't enough)
No LED flashlight
No multitasking of apps (so limited but this will improve in the next releases)
I struggle everyday with owning a Fuze. I am a HTC (to a fault) fanboy so I won't own my own iPhone but when ANY family or friend asks about it, they get the two thumbs up, glowing review. It is too good, too easy amd frankly not that expensive.
Tresher already mentioned this, but this bares repeating:
- iPhone (any version) does NOT have simultaneous execution of 3rd party apps
You can't run a web browser, email, camera and banking at the same time.
Every time you 'switch' from a program, it closes.
This means that any programs (like a 3rd party web browser) that are session based, kill the session completely.
This is a total big no-no for a business phone, because it breaks your workflow.
Also, iPhone UI and the way screens behave is not really customizable at all. Again, this is about workflow customization. With WM phones you can - with hard work - make it work like you want, display what you want and operate as you want.
On iPhone you get what Apple gives you. End of story.
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Tresher already mentioned this, but this bares repeating:
- iPhone (any version) does NOT have simultaneous execution of 3rd party apps
You can't run a web browser, email, camera and banking at the same time.
Every time you 'switch' from a program, it closes.
This means that any programs (like a 3rd party web browser) that are session based, kill the session completely.
This is a total big no-no for a business phone, because it breaks your workflow.
Also, iPhone UI and the way screens behave is not really customizable at all. Again, this is about workflow customization. With WM phones you can - with hard work - make it work like you want, display what you want and operate as you want.
On iPhone you get what Apple gives you. End of story.
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And that's one reason why the Iphone is so fast and snappy. But I think it doesn't add up against the multitasking capabilities of Windows Mobile.
EazyDeazy said:
Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
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Here comes my 2 cents of this issue. That is my personal opinion!!!!
I believe the question should be WHAT I NEED rather then WHAT IS THE BEST.
One wouldn’t buy a Minivan if I wanted to race. But in country I wouldn’t buy race-car if I need to transport lot things.
I believe the good things exist in one OS (Iphone or WinMo) is the missing thing in other OS.
I do believe Iphone has many good futures and be frank Iphone has revolutionised the UI that we expect from a PDA/Phone.
Iphone has been build mainly for entertainment (music, video etc) which is the main target of Apple. Apple has taking the Ipod as basic skeleton and build around the PDA/Phone abilities.
In contraire is the WinMo which has been build mainly for PDA (computer) functionality. MS has taking the Windows CE platform then later add the phone/entertainment abilities.
Therefore Iphone will not have in near future the full computer functionality that WinMO has ANDDDDD the WinMo will not have full UI friendliness and entertainment abilities as the Iphone has.
Therefore if one has Windows Desktop and Work a lot with OUTLOOK, Contacts, APPOINTMETS, TASK, REMINDERs, Emails, Word, excel, then I WOULD SAY WinMO has big advantages...
Besides you can then spend weeks, days, hours, here to Flash better ROM’s , tweaks Registry, do this and that so that One might have a device that is few milliseconds faster.
My favoured is WinMO not because it is soooo good, NO!!! ACTUALY I HATE IT and hate myself to pay 700$ for such crap!!! But it is because my entire life is on MS outlook... I would be completely lost if I did not have the outlook information, word documents, my little databases on my hand device.
Beside I wouldn’t know what to do with my free time if I had to not visit every day to this forum, If couldn’t flash every 14 days new rom and If I could not get angry of Microsoft to build such crap and sit on it for many many years without major improvements.
Iphone!! I think it is a nice device just it doesn’t feed to my main Needs. But be frank I have been thinking to buy it as second device. FOR ME the main reason to dislike is the build in battery. I need at least 2 batteries a day :0(
EazyDeazy said:
Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
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Correction - Touch Pro 2 has 480 x 800 screen, not 480 x 400
Hey,
I have Verizon and currently have a XV6800 (Titan). I have loved the phone, I got it the first week it came out and it has never let me down. I flashed it when the ROMs first came available, and I use all the features the phone has: keyboard, touchscreen, bluetooth, GPS, Wifi, etc...
My contract expires on the 11th of this month, and I've been due for a phone upgrade for quite some time now. I can get the TP2 for $99 with no other fees, because I work for Goodyear and we have a corporate thing set up with them.
My question is: should I get the TP2? It's obvious that there's a lot of custom ROMs out there and the hardware looks great. I just don't want to buy this phone and another one come out a month from now that's better. I understand that phones are always being released and they become outdated weeks after their purchase, but I don't want to miss out on anything cool.
-Randy
If you love your Titan that much, I don't know what's stopping you from upgrading to the TP2. It's the Titan on steroids with a gorgeous 800 X 480 screen. The keyboard is much improved as well (I had that keyboard with the grid layout on my Mogul, and I barely used it). In fact, the soft keyboard even much improved and usable. Battery life is also improved.
The only real drawback from the Titan is the lack of a DPad (VolDPad does a pretty good job of turning the volume rocker keys into a DPad).
BTW, video playback on the TP2 is outstanding (TP2 does full DVD resolutions). Totally kicks ass over the iPod.
There will always be something better/newer coming down the road. Could be a month... could be 6... couid be 12 months. I don't think we'll be getting really new in the short term.
The TP2 is far and away the best WM phones I ever handled. I ver glad I moved to it from my Kaiser. Heck I'm glad I skipped the original TouchPro and waited for the TP2.
The HD2/Leo looks nice but not being able to use a stylus and lack of a keyboard just might keep me away. I like writing hand written notes in my note pad.
The other thing too is that the Touch Pro 2 just came out, so it should be quite a while until it is surpassed (but 3 months ago if you were to ask to buy a Touch Pro, I'd easily tell you to wait b/c of the Touch Pro 2...that and Verizon nubbed up the TP1 with locking the GPS and removing RAM). I'd say go for it!
Jason
Thanks for the good info.
Does this phone have a dedicated graphics accelerator?
I went from an XV6800 (titan) to a Tilt2 on AT&T...
Network sucking issues aside, the TouchPro2 is a GREAT phone and an amazing upgrade the the Titan.
I stayed away from the original TouchPro/Fuze phones because I didnt think they were a massive upgrade, only more RAM which helped run TF3D, but no WinMo6.5, and not much in terms of real improvement.
I love WinMo6.5, I love the TF3D 2.1, and the ram and speed of the new Tilt2 is noticeably faster than a Titan.
Oh, and did I mention the AMAZING screen improvement?
Upgrade. You wont be disappointed.
I was on a mogul, which then i went to the touch pro, and now I'm on the touch pro 2. The single biggest upgrade from the mogul, to the touch pro was the ram. Running Opera Mobile on the mogul was hell. It's a great browser on the touch pro although i preferred the speed of opera mini. The other big improvement was the resolution/ lack of recession on the screen. Notice how it's rather difficult to hit the task manager button on the top right of the screen? That was fixed in the touch pro.
The biggest improvements from the touch pro to the touch pro 2, for me, have been the increased screen size and the keyboard. The Keyboard is ****ing amazing. No more of those little bubble keys that were present in the mogul/touch pro. I still haven't heard anyone talk about the change from bubble keys, to actual keys that depress when you press down on them. Sure the offsetness and size of the keys is great, but the fact that they are actual buttons that depress when pressed sold me. The speaker phone is much nicer as well.
Don't forget that you also will get all the latest TF3D stuff as well until a new dominant resolution comes out (or we simply can't run it because of lack of clock speed). I'm currently running TF3D 2.5 and it adds loads of improvements over TF3D 2.1. The only problem currently with 2.5 is that it's sluggish in some areas such as the landscape transitions on music/pictures.
All in all I'd say hell ****ing yes to a mogul-to-pro2 upgrade. There was a big enough difference to ditch the mogul for the touch pro alone. Ram was always the biggest pain on the mogul, and now I can't find myself ever running out of ram even while leaving everything open. I don't have to fight with the device to have it do what I want it to do.
See.... I get all these good reviews from you guys here, and you're all saying "Go for it!" Then, I go in the Verizon store too look at it, and they don't have it. I guess none of the stores have them on display, and I have to have it shipped. On top of that, the sales guy convinced me to come in Friday morning to see the new Motorola Droid when it's released. They're gonna be the same price.... so I don't know what to get now...
No Vzn stores ever got the new phone. Yea the Droid looks like it can be quite nice, but at my heart I'm still a WM user at least for now (Android is probably my 2nd bet, then maybe WebOS, and the OSX mobile isn't an option for me).
If you want to play with one, go to a T-Mo or AT&T Store. My sprint store near me (and its a big one, with a repair center and everything) still doesn't have TP2's yet either :-/
Jason
myrandex said:
No Vzn stores ever got the new phone. Yea the Droid looks like it can be quite nice, but at my heart I'm still a WM user at least for now (Android is probably my 2nd bet, then maybe WebOS, and the OSX mobile isn't an option for me).
If you want to play with one, go to a T-Mo or AT&T Store. My sprint store near me (and its a big one, with a repair center and everything) still doesn't have TP2's yet either :-/
Jason
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You know what... I'm ordering the TP2. Windows Mobile isn't perfect, but there's a huge community on here for it, and Android is new and still isn't quite perfect.
It's just like running any distro of linux on your computer. Sure, there's a lot of great versions out there, but none of them are perfect, and when something screws up, there's not always an easy fix.
One more thing about the TP2:
If you want to run emus, the offset keyboard gives you a reasonable rendition of a Dpad. Diagonals won't work, but it's more than adequate for JRPGs or any game that doesn't require twitch action.
I use W,A,S,D as a Dpad.
just wanted to update everyone who gave me their input - I got the TP2 and I'm in love with it. There's nothing I've tried to do thus far that I haven't been able to do. I've tried a few ROMs on it and I'm on the latest MightyROM right now ad it's great. Thanks again for the input guys!
A question for my fellow Rhodium owners: What phone do you plan on (with the information on hand) going to next?
I'm on AT&T, and won't switch for many legacy reasons. I feel like there's no good options at this time. If I want to stay Windows Mobile, I either lose HTC or the keyboard, neither of which seems like an upgrade to me. If I go Android, the only good keyboard HTC phone is the Desire Z, and AT&T hasn't announced it yet. I want to stick with HTC on AT&T, but it looks like if I need a keyboard, it's LG WinPho7, or Samsung Android. Are there any better options? What are the rest of you, devotees of the amazing tilt keyboard form factor, planning on doing with this next generation of phones?
MS is unveiling Windows Phone 7 today, and a whole slew of phones have been announced for ATT, Sprint, and T-Mob. Many of the handsets will be available in the next couple months. WP7 is still an unknown. But MS has dumped lots of $$$ and time into its development. It remains to be seen if the new OS can compete with iOS4 and Android, but its worth considering.
Phonedog says the phones have appeared on ATT's website, but I can't find them. The HTC offering from ATT seems like an odd form factor, with a slide-out speaker instead of a keyboard. Multi-media is nice, but it doesn't trump the functionality of the keyboard, for me.
http://www.phonedog.com/2010/10/11/htc-surround-samsung-focus-lg-quantum-appear-on-at-t-s-site/
Sprint may have gotten the best successor to the TP2, in the form of the 7 Pro. Considering the name, this may be the "real" successor to the Touch Pro line. Looks like it even includes the tilt screen, and the 5th row of keys for the numbers; features which are both missing from HTC's recent keyboard-toting Android options (Desire Z and the T-Mobile G2).
http://www.phonedog.com/2010/10/11/htc-announces-five-windows-phone-7-devices-including-7-pro-for-sprint/
Assuming WP7 is up to the hype, we can hope and pray a version of the 7 Pro will come to ATT. But I'll bet we are in for a wait, if we get it at all. I'm in the same boat, as I am on ATT and don't plan to switch anytime soon.
Yeah, the HTC Surround, with the slide out speaker, seems useless. The sliding form-factor makes the phone really thick compared with a standard touch phone, and without a keyboard, there's not enough of a trade-off.
Thank you for posting the link to the 7 Pro, which seems like the best phone I've seen all year, and definitely the perfect successor to the Touch Pro 2. Given the Tilt's history with AT&T, I'm going nuts here that AT&T isn't getting it, at least not yet. Please, HTC, promise me it's coming!
I'm going to have to upgrade in the next six months if I don't hear about a "coming soon" keyboard phone that's going to make it work waiting a little longer, so somebody better start leaking info...
Here it is at Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/htc-7-pro-first-hands-on/
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/htc7pro33.jpg
This phone has me salivating. I was ready to jump ship to Android, but if this comes to AT&T, I think I can give Microsoft another 2 years easy.
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Here it is at Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/htc-7-pro-first-hands-on/
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/htc7pro33.jpg
This phone has me salivating. I was ready to jump ship to Android, but if this comes to AT&T, I think I can give Microsoft another 2 years easy.
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7 Pro
Look at that 7 Pro...
My goodness...thats my next. Without a doubt, although they say it's only coming to Sprint in the US, hopefully they will make an unlocked/gsm version. I'm on Tmo and I've never had 3G since before the TP2 I have the TyTn2. I don't think HTC would be that ignorant as to not release the 7 Pro on a GSM carrier in the US, It would make absolutely no sense.
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Look at that 7 Pro...
My goodness...thats my next. Without a doubt, although they say it's only coming to Sprint in the US, hopefully they will make an unlocked/gsm version. I'm on Tmo and I've never had 3G since before the TP2 I have the TyTn2. I don't think HTC would be that ignorant as to not release the 7 Pro on a GSM carrier in the US, It would make absolutely no sense.
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I agree. I can't find any sales figures, but the Touch Pro 2 occupies a very important business professional niche in the market, and HTC would be ill-advised to abandon it. Expecially when they've already got an amazing design, it wouldn't make sense to limit yourself just to Sprint. After all, Sprint exclusives aren't exactly tearing up the market.
htc 7 pro. looks niice.
linky.
Nothing I've seen so far has the same 5 row killer hardware keyboard as the TP2 so far (including the Desire-Z). It really is unsurpassed. At the same time, capacitive screens, touchscreen keyboards and the predictive algorithms behind them have got so much better than when the TP2 was designed, and we have Swype as well.
Based on this fact, it isn't necessarily a compromise to move away from a hardware keyboard nowadays. It depends on what you find important on your phone. I like photography and browsing on a large display and it'll be great to have a decent camera on me wherever I go. My next phone will probably be the Motorola XT720 Milestone as a result.
Touch pro 7 looks good but why the hell did they give it only a 3.6' screen? With the size of the phone they could have easily stretched the screen size to 4' or made it 3.7' at least, so it doesnt look like a downgrade for us TP2 owners. If that screen was 4', I would have been tempted to go for a WP7 phone but for now I still want to go 'De Android Way'
Right now, I have lost my interest in the Desire Z cos of the delays issues we have here in Europe. I would have gone for the Samsung Epic but we are not getting here so for now I will be putting off my next phone purchase for about 8 months or so, say June 2011.
Right now I am not sure what my next phone will be. I already have a HD2 along with my TP2 and Touch HD. I prefer WM but I rather wait on WM7 until one of our Great Chefs/Developers port it for the HD2 so I can evaluate the OS
it should be HTC 7 Pro
My two bits.
I knew wm phones before and had decided never to make the same mistake of having one as my main phone again. The only thing that changed that was the full qwerty 5 row keyboard.
I will only change to a much better processor, and i repeat MUCH better, no smaller screen, larger battery (don't care if the phone gets bigger) and multi touch screen.
Again much much better processor
i went from a tilt 2 to htc evo. i love my evo but i miss my tilting screen and keyboard dearly. it would be more forgivable if the evo supported blue tooth hid keyboard support but stock rom does not and the only ROM that does, which is very popular, is a ROM that i don't like, aka cm6.
i poked around here tonight to see exactly what the op was after and i don't think we have anything in the future like some of want.
another thing is that i have pleged that i will not have another wm phone, me and my family stuck with wm since 8125 and we now have the same out look as m$ when it comes to wm. this is the only reason for stipulating aos.
here is my dream phone
aos
4.3 led capcitive
slide/ tilting keyboard
2 cameras
1 ghz plus cpu
dedicated gcpu
1GBram
16GB internal
sd external
bright leds on back for flash and light
it needs to stay thin and have good sound and battery life, lol
plus all the other things we have come to expect from a smart phone.
price: less than $500
basically, touch pro + evo + some upgrades.
Im also wondering what my next phone will be. Im afraid to switch to android for fear its too 'dumbed down' compared to what Im used to, but it appears theres enough android hacking going on that it will probably be fine. I use outlook sync and know that can be a pita with android.
Im also afraid WP7 may be too dumbed down as well. No 3rd party multitasking and cut and paste? what are they thinking?
Anyway, love the looks of the 7 pro, but am I reading it correctly that it doesnt have a microSD slot? that cant be right
Sounds like my dream phone... and u know its possible, but will they make it?? And for all the carriers like the galaxy did... of course not, they feel the need to keep us asking for more
potna said:
here is my dream phone
aos
4.3 led capcitive
slide/ tilting keyboard
2 cameras
1 ghz plus cpu
dedicated gcpu
1GBram
16GB internal
sd external
bright leds on back for flash and light
it needs to stay thin and have good sound and battery life, lol
plus all the other things we have come to expect from a smart phone.
price: less than $500
basically, touch pro + evo + some upgrades.
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My next phone will be the VzW version of the EVO, to come out soon.
I'll keep my TP2 till she dies ... but after a (very) short memorial service/wake, I'll get the EVO. Cool like the TP2, but makes the iPhoneys jealous!
Oh and my dream phone should be water proof, lol
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well i always like phone that you can use with one hand.. hint hint t-mobile shadow 1, the touch pro2 was a nice switch but the t-mobile shadow had some advantage over it with it compact qwerty key pad, to sum it up the dell venue might be my next purchase... looking at the touch pro 7 spec it looks like Microsoft hint the jack pot using the first gen of snapdragon processor to power these deceive without having to use the second or third line up of snapdragon processor.
with that being said i feel like there not going to pull an iphone on me.... dell venue S, dell venue 2 SS, dell venue's SS 2.5, dell venue 3G, dell venu.... well u get the point
does anybody know if the dell ven going to support nextflic
The 7 Pro is amazing hardware, but the OS kills it. I just hope HTC brings the form factor to Android.
I would appreciate if anybody could give comparison between HD2 and Touch Pro2 because I am torn between the two models. I am now using Dopod 838pro (Tytn)
and want to upgrade coz my phone is "dying". Basically I like the HD2 for the speed and the screen but it don't have video call or macro mode. I like most of the spec in touch pro but it lack speed compare to HD2. So i guess someone who have used both of these models would know the pros and cons. Especially the speed of these two processor in real life. Any input would greatly appreciate
You should go for the HD2. The speeds of the TP2 is getting really anoying. And the fact that android is running very smooth on the HD2.
And there is the possiblity of a WP7 rom for the HD2 in the future.
The biggest decision you have to make is how much do you value a physical keyboard? If it's a big deal for you, then go for the Touch Pro2. If you don't care about a keyboard, then the HD2 is a far superior choice in terms of hardware as well as software development. HTC's website lists the specs of both machines. Keep in mind that the T-Mobile version of the HD2 has 1GB of internal storage as opposed to half of that on any other version of it.
my own opinion, go for TP2, it's qwerty hardware keyboard are valuable things to have, just like Your Hermes, it make different easy way related for daily working usage
Thanks for all the replies. My problem with HD2 is there is no secondary camera for video call. Then if I choose TP2, how bad is the speed, is it acceptable if compare to Hermes (Hermes is quite slow to me)?. Or is it just about the same?.
Well.... I think I have to choose TP2 for the secondary camera. If HD2 come with secondary camera that would be a dream. I have also look at other WinMo device such as Omnia Pro with the slide keyboard, secondary camera and 800MHz but not so good UI, and I like HTC more.
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Thanks for all the replies. My problem with HD2 is there is no secondary camera for video call. Then if I choose TP2, how bad is the speed, is it acceptable if compare to Hermes (Hermes is quite slow to me)?. Or is it just about the same?.
Well.... I think I have to choose TP2 for the secondary camera. If HD2 come with secondary camera that would be a dream. I have also look at other WinMo device such as Omnia Pro with the slide keyboard, secondary camera and 800MHz but not so good UI, and I like HTC more.
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If you are in the US, the second camera makes no difference as it will not work for video calling here. Video calls on the TP2 only work in Europe.
Ok dx3me, here's my personal opinion. I had previously purchased the Touch Pro2 because of its keyboard form factor as well as the front camera. I came from the Xda Exec/Htc Universal phone and this greatly influence my choise for the Tp2.
-->First complain edited since the TP2 can play smooth videos provided you know how to convert it with this tool--->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
Second complain is that the internet experience is not that great and after using a hd2, I really prefer its bigger screen as it delivers a new approach on how you can easily browse, email, chats and so on. Very stylish in the hands and its look is simply amazing - it will surely not go unnoticed by people around you due to its huge screen + "slim" size.
Third and last one is that some softwares are so damn slow to run on it and the lack of extra RAM suffers greatly.
So I am definitely planning to switch to a HTC HD2 in the coming weeks as compared to the TP2, the HD2 has specifications of a new generation phone where as the tp2 is very very far behind. Now that many phones are coming out equipped with a 1ghz proccessor, I bet that most people will follow the trend and get similar powerful phones unless keyboard is an absolute must or money is a key factor...My opinions only...
Okay, you want an opinion? I'm a person with both a Touch Pro 2 and a HD2.
Well first, I loved my TP2. I thought it was the best phone I've ever had. Loved the physical keyboard, it seemed to be running fast, and it can run Android on it, although not quite so well. The resistive touchscreen was very accurate, even though it could sometimes be one big pain in the arse. That's when the stylus came in.Pop it out, use it, pop it back in, simple. But then after a while, the darn thing felt so slow. Pages took a long time to load, no Flash support in browsers, my battery drained fast. One day I went to the T-Mobile store in my area. What do I see sitting in front of me? A live working HD2, hooked up to their security system. So I try it. So fast, I have to have it. So I h'whipped p) out $500 bucks from my pocket a few months later, and I had my HD2. It can run Android 2.2. It can run Flash videos perfectly. Hell, even Windows Mobile was fast. Then I thought, oh shucks, the keyboard. I flipped the phone into Landscape mode and that friggin keyboard is amazing. Now I have big hands - my fingertips are about as big as the keys on my keyboard. This keyboard won't make you miss your Touch Pro 2. Since then, my Touch Pro 2 has sat in a corner, neglected. I feel sorry for it from time to time and use it p), but then I go straight back to the HD2.
One disadvantage of the HD2 is the BATTERY LIFE. Heavy use - 4 hours (constantly on)
HD2...I really like the hard keyboard on my TP2, but it just doesn't have enough Ram, My older Samsung Epix ran better, the TP2 just sucks away ram, I end up soft resetting a couple times a day, just from text messaging or checking my calendar or weather, it's a pretty big disappointment in that area. Just think, the HD2 will have a processor about twice the speed of the TP2 and twice the ram, plus half a Gig to 1 Gig of internal storage, for pesky programs that won't go on the storage card. If you want specs just check out: http://www.htc.com/us/products/compare/104-65-61?view=1-3&sort=0
I think I know which one to get!!
Thank you everyone for the inputs.
Well, I'm changing my mind. I have tested a demo HD2 in the shop and like it. I think I have to get the HD2. I also can't consider any of the WP7 devices at the moment because I think I would not buy the WP7 devices until it become better devices. That could be a year or two. Well if I could not live without the video call (on HD2), I have to fix my Hermes a bit as a backup. So I can use the video call on my good old Hermes. Hopefully this could work. (The only bad thing is I have to carry my Hermes along if I intend to do a video call)
Hi Mate,
I Have both the Touch Pro 2 and HD2 and I would only recommend the HD2!! My personal opion is that I would not waste your money on the touch pro 2.
Col
Hmmm, I've been using the HD2 for 1week now and my previous excitement has a bit vanished for this phone. I used the phone a lot for business purposes (especially using emails and chat a lot) and the lack of a keyboard suffers GREATLY. Though the HD2 screen is large for typing, I ended up in making mistakes couple of times when typing fast and I was really frustrated having to constantly correct my mistakes. This is time consuming especially when I have a lot of emails to respond on the way, and often gets my nerves to the limit.
The touch screen though is very responsive but I feel that the TP2 resistive screen has a bit more precision. Speed wise, the HD2 blows the TP2 and it is definitely great to watch your pictures/movies on the large screen. Apart from the mutimedia use, I am going to stick back to my TP2 and return the HD2. Nothing feels better than a physical qwerty keyboard and...a resistive screen for selecting a specific word easily when typing (...my opinions only).
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Though the HD2 screen is large for typing, I ended up in making mistakes couple of times when typing fast and I was really frustrated having to constantly correct my mistakes. This is time consuming especially when I have a lot of emails to respond on the way, and often gets my nerves to the limit.
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I have big hands and I only make one error out of every hundred words.
Hi there,
I'm hoping to help you with my story: Using my father's old WM device (MDA Compact III) for about one year, in the beginning of this year I decided to go for something new. My most important requirement for the new device was a QWERTZ-keyboard (here in Germany). So, there wasn't much of a choice I had and after scanning through some device's reviews looking also at those without a QWERTZ to get to know the current standards (among them the HD2, "old" TouchPro, G1, BlackBerry 9700, Xperia X1 and some of the Samsung and LG devices) I bought the TouchPro2 as it seemed to me the best choice concerning specifications and my demands. And I was really happy about it! It was way faster than my former MDA, had much better graphics, loads of software to use and so on...
When time passed by, I started to pick up on some custom roms, as I wasn't satisfied with the speed (everyone know about the upgrading his personal requirements). Found the roms of NRGZ28 very good, stable and fast.
However, I was constantly getting more and more fed up with WM6(.5) and the phone as there are some constant (to me unknown) freezes and hangs. And as WM7 will not be seen on this device I decided to go for another change: I ordered the Desire Z, which is (finally) on its way, maybe arriving today.
My advice for you: take a look at Android or WM7. And try around with those keyboards and decide, if you *really* need a physical one. There is a whole bunch of good devices, that will be released with WM7 and Android.
Cheers!
OP got the HD2. There is no longer any reason to try to convince him of anything.
cajunflavoredbob said:
OP got the HD2. There is no longer any reason to try to convince him of anything.
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ah, too late... well then, have fun with the hd2
abprie said:
ah, too late... well then, have fun with the hd2
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Hmmm I would be curious to hear your opinions on both phones - may you share?
I'd vote for the HD2 because of it's specifications. Like it was said earlier the HD2 blows the TP2 out of the water. But also pointed out is the problem with WinMo 6.5. This stock ROM is a dinosaur in age and just doesn't hold a candle up to Android or WM7. I also was fed up with it on my HD2 so I made a complete change and switched my device over the Android via custom ROMs found on these forums. I've never been happier!
So the debate really is between Android and WM7. Considering the future I think getting android would be a better deal. It's going to explode in popularity due to Microsoft's and Apple's security lockdowns on their devices (they aren't very customizable, WM7 and the iPhone etc), and because of Android being open source.
So before I get going on a tangent , I'd recommend getting the HD2 if you like customizing your phone A LOT. It can be kind of a scary procedure. But if you're not up to that kind of stuff I'd recommend looking at HTC's Android phones. They're very stable and fun to use. The TP2 will become a very average phone in the next while with all the new and cool stuff coming out.