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Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
I've only just been reading up on both phones, so take what I say with a grain of salt:
The Iphone may be a better for multimedia playback, due to the inclusion of 3.5mm jack and notably good sound quality. Also, the casual game selection is fairly good. If you want more functionality/versality, definitely consider jailbreaking the iphone, otherwise it's not really comparable to the TP2. Check out ipodtouchfans.com, they cater to jailbroken iphones/itouches.
If you're looking for something to be truly productive on, particularly in a business environment (kind of reminds me of a mini-netbook), consider the TP2. If you want a multimedia PDA with great sound, consider the iphone. If you want a fair mix of both, the Samsung Omnia II (coming to Verizon, no hard keyboard) looks to have potential.
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
For users that just want a touch screen phone with a very slick interface with everything ready to go and nothing to tamper with to make it run at 110% then get the iPhone.
For those who want the option to fully hack and customise their device but are fully aware that Windows Mobile will never really be 100% user friendly and smooth running without tweaks and modifications then get a Windows Mobile device.
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First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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Totally Agreed.
TP2 is a business phone which target working people like me, hee hee. Iphone is more for entertainment. :>
radiowc said:
Totally Agreed.
TP2 is a business phone which target working people like me, hee hee. Iphone is more for entertainment. :>
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Indeed... iPhone is an ipod with phone funtionality, in the world of PDAs the iPhone is just a toy...
beast0898 said:
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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I totaly agree!!! i think i wudnt be able to live without running a few programs at the same time n switchin between them...which the iPhone isnt capable to do... plus i like it when im in charge n i can customize my phone to the limit... while the IPhone is pretty limited on this...
soo i wud say go for the TP2 ...
my "unbiased" opinion
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maybe the apps on it (TP2) won't be as good as the ones available on iphone...
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If you honestly think so then get one!!
iPhone is a toy.
TP2 is a tool with the flexibility to be a toy if you want it to be.
I must say I LOVE IPHONES for one reason and one reason only. They keep all the non tech savy people away from winmo Now to get more specific.
The iphone 3gs will probably be a lot faster than the TP2 but lets be realisitic here. Whats the point of super fast phone when u have no flexibility to do whatever u want with it. Its like me giving u a super computer and saying hey u can only play solitare. The iphone screen is smaller with a lower resolution. It has a ton of apps but still no where near what winmo has if u include all of the software out there. The iphone doesn't have a keyboard but has a nice software keyboard but personally i like to have the flexibility to use a hw keyboard or sw keyboard cause HTC's keyboard is quite nice. The one thing i have to give apple is they listen to what their customers want, within reason that is. Microsoft only responds to competition.
I have to say this one last piece. The simplier the device the less features it has. Its like the engineering creed.
" If it isn't broken then it doesn't have enough features yet"
I don't think anyone has the iphone 3g in their hands yet for evalution...
But, stay with the TP2 & this forum's support
beast0898 said:
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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I am totally agree with your opinion here. I can't see iPhone as a pocket pc. For me Touch Pro 2 all the way!
First post, but I'd take the Touch Pro 2 over an iPhone. iPhone is basically a multimedia device. You could just go out anytime and buy an ipod touch for that, no? That 5 row keyboard just looks to damn good.
I'm really hoping the Touch Pro 2 comes to Telus and soon..
EazyDeazy said:
Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
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Enter an iphone store and ask which is better iphoney or TP2
What will be the result??
same case here mate....
beast0898 said:
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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I secound that!
Aisorik said:
I've only just been reading up on both phones, so take what I say with a grain of salt:
The Iphone may be a better for multimedia playback, due to the inclusion of 3.5mm jack and notably good sound quality. Also, the casual game selection is fairly good. If you want more functionality/versality, definitely consider jailbreaking the iphone, otherwise it's not really comparable to the TP2. Check out ipodtouchfans.com, they cater to jailbroken iphones/itouches.
If you're looking for something to be truly productive on, particularly in a business environment (kind of reminds me of a mini-netbook), consider the TP2. If you want a multimedia PDA with great sound, consider the iphone. If you want a fair mix of both, the Samsung Omnia II (coming to Verizon, no hard keyboard) looks to have potential.
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The audio booster makes the sound quality unbelievable on my tilt with sennheiser headphones, so Im not sure how an iphone could be better, in fact it already sounds so amazing I dont think its even possible to notice if it gets better, but then again ive never really listened to an iphone with my headphones, so I just said that so that people don't think that wm phones have bad sound quality or anything, but then again without the audio booster it isnt all that amazing I have to admit, which doesn't mean its bad, its still pretty good its not like it sounds bad, it just doesn't amaze me lol
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I totaly agree!!! i think i wudnt be able to live without running a few programs at the same time n switchin between them...which the iPhone isnt capable to do... plus i like it when im in charge n i can customize my phone to the limit... while the IPhone is pretty limited on this...
soo i wud say go for the TP2 ...
my "unbiased" opinion
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I also toatlly secound that I will admit iphones are pretty nice, but they lack stuff too, like that for example, but personally I dont like iphones
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I must say I LOVE IPHONES for one reason and one reason only. They keep all the non tech savy people away from winmo Now to get more specific.
The iphone 3gs will probably be a lot faster than the TP2 but lets be realisitic here. Whats the point of super fast phone when u have no flexibility to do whatever u want with it. Its like me giving u a super computer and saying hey u can only play solitare. The iphone screen is smaller with a lower resolution. It has a ton of apps but still no where near what winmo has if u include all of the software out there. The iphone doesn't have a keyboard but has a nice software keyboard but personally i like to have the flexibility to use a hw keyboard or sw keyboard cause HTC's keyboard is quite nice. The one thing i have to give apple is they listen to what their customers want, within reason that is. Microsoft only responds to competition.
I have to say this one last piece. The simplier the device the less features it has. Its like the engineering creed.
" If it isn't broken then it doesn't have enough features yet"
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I secound that too by the way
This forum is specific to HTC so you aren't going to get a bunch of fanboy iphone stuff in here. I'll do my best.
I'm 95% ATT FUZE 5% iphone 2g 3.0 with 3GS use as of today.
iPhone 3GS PROS
Very easy to bedazzle
Near flawless performance, I never miss calls on the iphone due to too many apps open or performance slowdown. Part of the advantage of a closed hardware/software platform.
Improved screen still very bright, crisp and fabulous under the finger control
Landscape keyboard is great on the 3gs, I wouldn't doubt that you could type 90% as fast as on a hardware keyboard.
Capable of PLENTY of business activities, I am completely confused when people rip the iphone abilities to integrate into a person's worklife even a network. VPN, sync, Outlook sync, Gmail, Yahoo app, Quickbooks. I guess if you need to program in VB or do some SQL pounding on the train then the iphone is out, haha.
apps and app creation is an unheralded levels, more developers than on any other platform. Too many to even list and all are far superior to the windows mobile versions. Simply go compare the most recent Tiger Woods between the two platforms. WM is a joke.
games are incredibly good and highly supported
pdf, doc, excel, what the hell else is needed? There is an app for it probably too if it's not out of the box.
jailbreaking is pretty straightforward, as straightforward as dealing with hard spl and flashing new roms.
accessories, speaker setups, availability of fun new things all the time at major stores, in the airport, etc. Walk anywhere and find an accessory that fits and is meant for your exact model. Frick, vending machines even.
Operating System is fast, reliable and does as it is supposed to.
Locked operating system and hardware means better apps over time as developers are able to program for a specific device
iPhone 3GS Cons
The great grandmother next door may own one too, it may make you feel technically out of the high-end loop as she plays sudoku online with her 'girlfriends'
Non-removeable battery (not a problem for me, I have never changed the battery on an extended trip, etc, I don't travel far distances though)
No Expandable memory port (can't imagine that 16 gigs isn't enough)
No LED flashlight
No multitasking of apps (so limited but this will improve in the next releases)
I struggle everyday with owning a Fuze. I am a HTC (to a fault) fanboy so I won't own my own iPhone but when ANY family or friend asks about it, they get the two thumbs up, glowing review. It is too good, too easy amd frankly not that expensive.
Tresher already mentioned this, but this bares repeating:
- iPhone (any version) does NOT have simultaneous execution of 3rd party apps
You can't run a web browser, email, camera and banking at the same time.
Every time you 'switch' from a program, it closes.
This means that any programs (like a 3rd party web browser) that are session based, kill the session completely.
This is a total big no-no for a business phone, because it breaks your workflow.
Also, iPhone UI and the way screens behave is not really customizable at all. Again, this is about workflow customization. With WM phones you can - with hard work - make it work like you want, display what you want and operate as you want.
On iPhone you get what Apple gives you. End of story.
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Tresher already mentioned this, but this bares repeating:
- iPhone (any version) does NOT have simultaneous execution of 3rd party apps
You can't run a web browser, email, camera and banking at the same time.
Every time you 'switch' from a program, it closes.
This means that any programs (like a 3rd party web browser) that are session based, kill the session completely.
This is a total big no-no for a business phone, because it breaks your workflow.
Also, iPhone UI and the way screens behave is not really customizable at all. Again, this is about workflow customization. With WM phones you can - with hard work - make it work like you want, display what you want and operate as you want.
On iPhone you get what Apple gives you. End of story.
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And that's one reason why the Iphone is so fast and snappy. But I think it doesn't add up against the multitasking capabilities of Windows Mobile.
EazyDeazy said:
Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
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Here comes my 2 cents of this issue. That is my personal opinion!!!!
I believe the question should be WHAT I NEED rather then WHAT IS THE BEST.
One wouldn’t buy a Minivan if I wanted to race. But in country I wouldn’t buy race-car if I need to transport lot things.
I believe the good things exist in one OS (Iphone or WinMo) is the missing thing in other OS.
I do believe Iphone has many good futures and be frank Iphone has revolutionised the UI that we expect from a PDA/Phone.
Iphone has been build mainly for entertainment (music, video etc) which is the main target of Apple. Apple has taking the Ipod as basic skeleton and build around the PDA/Phone abilities.
In contraire is the WinMo which has been build mainly for PDA (computer) functionality. MS has taking the Windows CE platform then later add the phone/entertainment abilities.
Therefore Iphone will not have in near future the full computer functionality that WinMO has ANDDDDD the WinMo will not have full UI friendliness and entertainment abilities as the Iphone has.
Therefore if one has Windows Desktop and Work a lot with OUTLOOK, Contacts, APPOINTMETS, TASK, REMINDERs, Emails, Word, excel, then I WOULD SAY WinMO has big advantages...
Besides you can then spend weeks, days, hours, here to Flash better ROM’s , tweaks Registry, do this and that so that One might have a device that is few milliseconds faster.
My favoured is WinMO not because it is soooo good, NO!!! ACTUALY I HATE IT and hate myself to pay 700$ for such crap!!! But it is because my entire life is on MS outlook... I would be completely lost if I did not have the outlook information, word documents, my little databases on my hand device.
Beside I wouldn’t know what to do with my free time if I had to not visit every day to this forum, If couldn’t flash every 14 days new rom and If I could not get angry of Microsoft to build such crap and sit on it for many many years without major improvements.
Iphone!! I think it is a nice device just it doesn’t feed to my main Needs. But be frank I have been thinking to buy it as second device. FOR ME the main reason to dislike is the build in battery. I need at least 2 batteries a day :0(
EazyDeazy said:
Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
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Correction - Touch Pro 2 has 480 x 800 screen, not 480 x 400
Hello
I am satisfied with my HTC Touch 2 Pro ... when it actually works.
I have flashed "energy rom manila 2.1"
Unfortunately manila is very laggy interface I need to reset it at least twice a day.
I need my phone to be snappy and I thinking about switching to iphone.
Is it wort it ? I never had an iphone and I am wondering if GUI is faster.
I use HTC mostly to organize my day using microsoft outlook.
Dont do it !!!
MY Roommate has an iphone 3g. she is always asking to use my touch pro to connect her laptop to my phone to get internet. Internet sharing on the iphone does not work unless you jailbreak it.
other things you can not do is draw on the cap. touch screen. there is no hardware keyboard and because of that every message I got from an iphone user made them seem like they are 5 years old. there are lots of things iphone users complain about, not just my roommate. I just dont have the time to get into it.
Main thing you need is Outlook integration, right? so why deal with Apple products? there is a better outlook in the WinMo phones than on a desktop!
Apple lets the carriers (Att) call the shots about what is possible with the dinky little iphone. Microsoft lets us call the shots when we have to raise our fingers at those who limit us. They just dont tell us how to, but make it pretty easy.
You get an iphone, you will regret it.
Just find a decent stable rom.
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Just think of apple as the forbiden fruit... 'cause just about everything you try to do on it is forbiden. :|
Try one one of the cell pro roms. They are really stable and manilla is quite snappy on them.
I found the NRG roms pretty to look at but a little too buggy to use day to day.
I've been using NRG's roms for a long time and prefer the 21*** based 2.1 roms and they've been stable and snappy.
As for the iPhone, go ahead and try it out and see what you think. I have a buddy of mine that switched from windows mobile to iPhone and loves it! He was sick of flashing roms and doing reg edits and such. He wanted something low maintenance.
As for me, i've had the originial iPhone and the 3G, i couldn't use either one for more than 2 weeks. They've got a bunch of apps, but 90% of them are useless, windows mobile is much more productive.
The user interface is awesome, and its a great phone for people that want something really simple. As for me, i prefer something advanced, like windows mobile
Don´t trade it!
Rhodium is a great device!!
Rhodium: business and more serious and complete device
iphone: a fun device for listening music, download 100000000000000000000000 of almost all useless apps.. oh and by the way you can make calls....
Don't do it ......
The iPhone is losing it's luster ............
To be honest with you, we can have a fanboy war all day. Also this question has been asked many times.
IMHO It comes down to personal preference.
I had a Tytn II (ATT Tilt) for 1.5 years and then got an iPhone. Have had the iPhone for about a year. Jailbroke it so I could actually do some things with it but it is still limiting. Now I want to go back to WinMo and the TP2. So, you tell me which is best?
I have both, and i'd never go iPhone only,
the iPhone is great for reading emails and browsing the internet
the TP2 is much better for messages, calls, internet sharing, and useful software, like FFT's or playing back video formats i actually use.
I can spend all day dicking around on the TP2 and still have enough battery to make calls, i put my iPhone through the same punishment and it lasts less than 8 hours.
plus every man and his dog has an iphone, and when you pull yours out, its like an open invitation for people to come up to you and compare "apps"
on apps: WOOO OVER 90,000 APPS! most of them are fart sound generators. there are 3 useful apps, and they all cost over $50.
i have had tons of smart phones and the tp2 was the only windows mobile phone i could stand after having all palm treo's. unfortunately, the phone is laggy and slow, and the iphone is so much better at switching between programs. i disagree that the apps are not useful, i have found the apps to be the main reason i want to switch. safari, yelp, facebook, etc. all the internet based apps are better written, and integrate more seamlessly with the phone. if sprint wasn't giving me such a good deal, and i mean really amazing plan, i would have switched to the iphone a long time ago. once the next gen iphone comes out (june 2010) i will get one in addition to my tp2 which i use for tethering. as for the jailbreak excuse, yes, some of the apps do require jailbreaking but i hardly see the difference between jailbreaking and installing a new rom.
the only issue, and it's a big one, is the lack of a physical keyboard. you get used to it, but still i can see it being an issue with as many text messages as i send.
I do not have iphone but have teh ipod touch which is virtually iphone without the phone feature. The strength of iphone is often the interface and the tight integration. It should be expected because the phone interface does not sits on top of the WinMo. I guess if you want a faster response, disable the touchflo.
Another strength of iphone would be finger frindly. WinMo still needs to catch up and hopefully it will on WinMo 7 (and hopefully TP2 will have it, pray on HTC to support it)>
Another strength of iPhone would be the web browser in my opnion. Nothing on the mobile platform comes as close as the safari.
I guess for more feature rich and more customization, winmo phones are great and tp2 is prob the best (with the exception of HTC Leo). The con of the TP would probably be the size and weight.
If you need more speed and stability, energy ROMs may not be for you. Lot's of extras and eye candy are put in. They are fast enough for me, but maybe you should look at a more simplistic ROM. I have a CDMA device so I can't recommend one for you but I'm sure there are plenty out there. If you rely on the outlook features heavily, Iphone is definitely not for you. It is a media phone, not a PDA.
iPhone or TP2
I never had an iPhone--I never wanted one--but I had my TyTN/8525 for just a few months short of 3 years; at that point, the battery couldn't hold a charge and that made it untenable while out on contract projects. I recently upgraded to a TP2 and am absolutely happy with it. The only problem I've had (installed an application that, after rebooting, wouldn't even load Windows. I fixed that and haven't had a problem since.
Both platforms have some apps that aren't worth wasting any bandwidth on as well as some apps that are worth their weight in gold. Both have download services for applications, and I know the Windows Marketplace and CAB4Express are lacking. Still, I've patched my otherwise stock Tilt 2 to improve the network throughput, removed the extra software that AT&T installed and installed other WM65-compatible software. it's a great business platform; rumors of its demise are overexaggerated and, to the contrary, it's not dead yet.
If you are tired of the typical Manila style. Try SPB SHELL. It's kind of like the Android interface and it's pretty zippy. It might give your device some freshness. It consumes less CPU juice then manila so give it a try. Download it from the website and give it a try.
band27 said:
If you are tired of the typical Manila style. Try SPB SHELL. It's kind of like the Android interface and it's pretty zippy. It might give your device some freshness. It consumes less CPU juice then manila so give it a try. Download it from the website and give it a try.
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That looks pretty tight, i'm gonna try it out ........
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That looks pretty tight, i'm gonna try it out ........
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For optimal settings:
• Start>Settings>Home>Items.....here uncheck everything and reset your phone
Hi, my iPhone 3g just broke and I was looking to get a new phone. Im a former Windows Mobile 5 user (mda, eten m700, and tilt). I am also a former G1 user. I always liked windows mobile before becasue all of the nicer devices ran it, but i always felt it was very slow and sluggish. I find the apple appstore is great and I use alot of the programs daily and they all are very smooth and fast. Have they improved windows mobile since the mda days. Will the tp2 be as fast an an iphone.
Is there a VNC program to control my desktop over edge, 3g, or wifi?
How good is the facebook app?
Hows the battery life?
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oh and by the way you can make calls....
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Hahaha, this made my day. My roommate has one, and his phone drops calls CONSTANTLY. I'm being serious, like at least 4-5 times a day.
One point people have overlooked (unless I missed it wihile skimming)... is how customizable WinMo/TP2 is. You can modify your icons, enable disable features with simple RegEdits and make it look how you want
iPhone is well... still looks like an iPhone, unless you want to get into deep programming.
okay, i got my TP2 yesterday. I have got to say. I am loving this phone. I was a WinMo hater as well because of the fact it's sluggish and poor touchscreen interface. However, I think HTC made an excellent device. The screen is just great and vibratn. I think it's even better than iphone (can't confirm). the thing actually is much faster than I expected and I think it's not as slow as people cliam it to be. Even without the hacked ROM, it's fast enough.
The couple of complaints I have with the phone is the poor internet performance (it's going to e it's achille's hill for a long time unless MS get their act together). The weight is definitely not as good, it's a tad too heavy and thick to my liking but it's tolerable.
I absolutely love the keyboard, it's so much easier to work with it.
If you want a lighter phone, I think the HTC pure is an excellent alternative.
Hi Everyone,
Tell me, why would anyone actually choose an iPhone over a Desire/N1?
As I see it, the only thing an iPhone has over the Desire is the volume of apps, but can you give me a list of what the Desire/N1 has over the iPhone?
Speaking as someone who has had WinMo, Nokias etc. I can honestly say that my iPhone 3GS is the best device I have ever had. User interface is functional and simple and I can find an app for everything - plus the apps are mature. JB adds a new level to it, and provides the customisability that I love to do.
What I don't like about the iPhone is the restrictive nature of it, with the extreme control that Apple has. Ofc i have jailbroken the iPhone but Apple are making it increasingly harder to do this and I fear we are not far away from them making it near impossible to do so (hell you already have a situation with the newest phones having a tethered jb - i.e. they need to re-jb if their phone loses power, or is rebooted).
That being said, and my heart being in Linux land, my next phone will hopefully be the HTC Desire. I love the customisability of Android, the less restrictive nature, and for someone like me, I reckon i'll get more fun out of it.
The Desire's hardware beats a 3GS hand down. Android is getting there but is not as mature (obviously) as the iPhone OS, and nor are its Apps. But they are getting there. The Desire is a good enough handset that in a years time, Android really will be competing with the iPhone and your hardware will still be capable.
My wife will get the iPhone....
because the iPhone has the best apps. when it comes down to it, that's all the average smartphone user cares about...
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because the iPhone has the best apps. when it comes down to it, that's all the average smartphone user cares about...
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And that's the discussion I keep having with my mates. With the Desire's hardware and Eclair+Sense, the only real thing that the stock iPhone 3GS has going for it now is the apps. My argument there is that once a developer has perfected their app on/for the iPhone they'll likely(/hopefully) then be seeking the challenge, and the revenue(?), from launching it on the Android Market. The Desire's/N1's/Droid's hardware specs and Eclair's open customizability and capability would then allow them to take it to the next level.
1. Better UI controls. Android has great homescreens but when it comes to app UI controls, it lags behind Android.
2. More and Better casual applications. Many more games. Can be purchased around the world in 70+ countries. Much more free/promotion games compared to Android.
3. Better camera than the camera of most Androids.
A couple of things the Desire has going for it vs the iPhone:
*Camera: 5MP w/ flash vs 3MP w/o flash
*Screen resolution: 800x480 vs 480x320
*Battery: I can't back this up but I'm guessing the AMOLED display will drain less juice than the iPhone's traditional backlit LCD. Also, removable battery is always better than non-removable.
*Multi-tasking vs no multi-tasking
*Non-obstructive notications
*Useful information on homescreen vs just a bunch of icons
*File explorer
*Text reflow in browser
*Hardware buttons!
On Iphone run a Graphic Engine. Android can runs only a java application.
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On Iphone run a Graphic Engine. Android can runs only a java application.
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what? This post makes no sense what so ever.
you mean it has a GPU? And are you implying that android phones do not have one?
Maybe you should read up on programming for android:
http://developer.android.com/guide/basics/what-is-android.html
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Tell me, why would anyone actually choose an iPhone over a Desire/N1?
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I went from Nexus One to iPhone 3G S because of iPhone has much better quality apps. Apps make sense as they are thoughtfully designed and hence are easy to use unlike some Android applications which have every feature under the sun but are unintuitive. A good example of this is Astrid.
The good news is 2Do developer have confirmed they are working on 2Do port for Android. Then you will all understand what I am trying to say.
Also, iPhone has much much better games then Android.
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I went from Nexus One to iPhone 3G S because of iPhone has much better quality apps. Apps make sense as they are thoughtfully designed and hence are easy to use unlike some Android applications which have every feature under the sun but are unintuitive. A good example of this is Astrid.
The good news is 2Do developer have confirmed they are working on 2Do port for Android. Then you will all understand what I am trying to say.
Also, iPhone has much much better games then Android.
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I just find the iphone very limited, I've had the 3GS for a month and I'm terribly bored of it. The only reason I still use it over my old touch pro is because it's faster for web browsing.
Android sounds like the kind of OS I want, very customizable very flexable.
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because the iPhone has the best apps. when it comes down to it, that's all the average smartphone user cares about...
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Exactly I love the apps and games I got on my Ipod touch but I wouldn't buy an Iphone cause I dont like that Att crappy service.
All hardware aside, you have to approach this as a standard customer. Said customer buys into what marketing sells; buys into all the hype generated around the fanboys spread across the internet; buys what they are told to buy.
Because of the market saturation, apps developed for the iphonepods will be more cared for and mature a lot faster. Facebook is a prime example of this. If you don't use facebook then this example is lost on you The iphone has a fantastic fbook app that keeps you in the app and offers almost all the same functionality as you would find in a desktop browser; almost. Fbook on android however...not even close. This is a deal breaker for those who live and die with fbook.
So you have a bajillion apps being sold every second in apple's app store generating a ****ton of revenue for all involved giving people reason to create solid apps. There is some pretty solid DRM involved (though not unbreakable ) preventing app piracy which leaves the devs with a peace of mind.
Now take the android world. While android is found on more devices now than I could possibly think of, the average user would never know it. There is no advertising (well nothing compared to the viral campaigning apple has successfully pulled off), no customer draw...android is, for the most part, word of mouth.
So with the above in mind, the numbers just are not there for developers to devote a ton of time into making apps comparable to what you will find on the iphone...not yet anyways.
App protection is another biggie. So with both platforms you require the device to be unlocked/rooted in order to get around this. With the android platform it's a bit easier; once you have root, you have free apps. With the iphone it's a bit trickier but still very doable; one layer beyond simply rooting (jailbreaking). Don't kid yourself if you think devs are not aware of this.
Thankfully, the majority of users on both platforms don't use their powers for evil or we would see a serious drop in apps I bet.
So why would anyone choose an iphone? Apps and itunes.
Apps are a big deal; they are a means to keep in touch with friends and family, they are a means to get unlost, to get lost, to waste time, to save time...the better the app, the more efficient you can do all of these tasks.
People want to carry their music with them. Love it or hate it, itunes is here to stay and a ton of people have fully entrusted their music to itunes. an iphone means everything in itunes is easily synced.
Personally, I went from dumbphones to winmo (moto Q on verizon) to the g1 (t-mobile) and never returned to winmo. I switched to att from tmo and without really thinking about it, I gave my g1 to a friend in favour of an iphone3g. I should have just kept my g1 on edge on att...now while still on att, I am happily back to android with my nexus one. For me, everything stated above carries zero weight in value compared to the freedom I have with my n1.
...thursday rants are fun
Simply because Average Joe (or Jane for my part) doesn't read XDA
I think the more appropriate question is "Why would anyone choose the iPhone?".
Consider this scenario:
You're playing a casual game and listening to your music at the same time. You want to change to another playlist. You can't even do that without completely exiting your game.
I can't fathom using a supposedly smart device that can't even handle that simple of a multi-task.
I think the reason why iphone is still a big winner is only because of the apps and games.
Do u guys think good apps make a good OS?
Why Windows is still now the most popular OS?
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I just find the iphone very limited, I've had the 3GS for a month and I'm terribly bored of it. The only reason I still use it over my old touch pro is because it's faster for web browsing.
Android sounds like the kind of OS I want, very customizable very flexable.
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I have had a variety of smartphones from Blackberrys, to Android. My android phones are by far the best ones. I have up my iphone and ordered the G1 for the original release date. Even though at that time it was not on the same level as the Iphone it opened the door for us to have phones like the Nexus One, Desire, Legend, Moto Droid...ect.....tons of phones that give us choices. My Nexus one out the box was amazing, rooting the thing made it even more ridiculous.
As many of you have said previously, the only thing that I can see is better on iPhone than on Desire / Nexus is the Games, so I do not understand yet why you pay so much more if you buy this just for games? why not buy an iPod if you want the games/mp3.
Because its the trendy thing to buy.
I brought an ipod touch when they first came out. I was sick of it within a day. The apps are pretty well junk or gimmicks, I brought a ton of them never use them.
Games yeah right, maybe sitting in the car waiting for someone but really there crap and you are better off just getting on the net and reading XDA
There also to big to put in your pocket and use as an mp3 player.
But good on apple for marketing to the sheep so well and there about to do it again with the ipad!
Hi ,
I had HTC HD , and now i am on my way to buy a new Phone.
I wont buy 3GS , because in 3 months we will have a new Iphone , so that will be sucky sucky. on the other hand - if i pay so much for a phone i want to be able to play on it , and i saw some tests , showing Iphone has much more FPS in games.
is it a GPU thing ? if so , why would i buy the Desire.
currently this is the only thing -
if Desire had good games with good quality 3D and nice FPS . no reason to even consider 3GS or any iPhone .
Hardware (processor speed) comparisons are simply "wrong". Numbers on paper mean nothing because the OS software are not the same. Don't know why people don't get this...
That video that idandush referred is a good example.
My contract is up for Tmobile so I decided to give up my BB Pearl (Never did like that thing). I went out and upgraded to the Touch Pro 2, but after reading the specs on the HD 2, I'm not sure if I want to keep it or wait for the newer model. (They give you 14 days to decide if you like it).
I like the TP 2 especially with the keyboard but the Nexus One has the animated desktop which is nice. I would like some opinions on which phone you would choose and possibly why. My guess is the HD will probably be about the same price as the others.
I went from a Dash 3G last weekend to a TP2. as soon as I heard about the $199 pricing for the HD2 I decided to return my TP2 and wait for the HD2. I never thought I would make much use of a touch screen, but now I am hooked. The HD2 is faster and larger. No brainer for me.
i've got a sprint tp2 and plan on getting the tmo hd2 and getting rid of my bb.
I would go for Rhodium for sure, as the others do not have hardware keyboard
But if they were the only options on the market definitely I would go for Leo as it has WM!
Remember all the flashy things will become trivial pretty soon, so what you should ask yourself is which properties are the most useful to you.
Myself, I can't live without the hardware keyboard. Sure, I wish the TP2 had the speed of the HD2, but for me the keyboard beats that. If you can do without, there is no reason to get the TP2 at all. As for Nexus vs HD2 - personally I'd take the HD2.
I have had the Touch, Touch Pro, and Touch Pro2 that my wife and I have used. I am waiting for the Touch HD3.
I love the TP2 for its keyboard and the HD2 for its screen
I possess both: the TP2 and HD2.
I like the keyboard of the TP2. I like the screen of the HD2 and its superb Sense user interface.
I transformed my TP2 with an official ROM update to WM6.5 and the tweaks (especially Co0kie hometab) I used for my HD2 to a HD2 Mini with WVGA.
Now I have the best of both on the TP2. By the way the TP2 is very responsive and speedy despite its slower processor.
For an average business user I prefer my TP2, only voice dialing using Cyberon Speed Dialer can not be activated by the call key on my BT carkit due deviating BT stack implementation by HTC
While I like TP2 (due to keyboard, and price), unfortunately it's not completely future-proof (no WM7).
Although there is still hope in Android port..
Just love my TP2 with a hardware keyboard..... sure wish it had the big screen, speed and memory of the HD2 lol
no wimm7 for hd2 as well (at least today sometimes they say yup and other times no) but hmmmm right now I am not sure hd2= 1ghz processor big screen lots of memory but touch pro 2 good size screen and a keyboard
My work is going to provide me with a new phone (new contract) Right now I have the Wing. I'm looking at either the HD2 or the TP2.
I need some input please. Some things to consider when you read this thread.
1) I don't find myself using the hard keyboard on my Wing
2) I do use the hands free speaker phone often.
3) I need WMO for a certain app that requires 16megs free ram (cooked ROM on my Wing helped here.)
4) Will the HD2 require a change in my data plan with T-Mobile?
Just some "if I was you" advise.
Thanks
Get the HD2. The only advantage the TP2 has is the keyboard and if you don't use it then there is no competition. The processor used in the TP2 is the biggest pile of crap ever.
Basically, it goes like this: If you want Windows Mobile 6.x, the best hardware keyboard of any mobile device on the market, and don't care about device speed, stay with the Rhodium. If you don't want/need a keyboard, want Windows Mobile 6.x, and you don't care about not getting a Windows Mobile 7 upgrade, get the HD2. If you don't need a keyboard and want the best Android device on the market, get the Nexus.
The Rhodium is a great device in terms of external looks, but as petard has already said, the Qualcomm MSM7xxx processor inside is quite possibly the sh*ttiest mobile processor on the market. If I were to buy a new device right now, I would certainly buy the HD2 or Nexus, NOT the Rhodium.
I've got 2 of the 3, and I'm using a Rhodium with 6.5.x and Titanium as my everyday phone. The Nexus One is on my night stand.
With the Rhodium, if you keep messaging, contacts, and calendar resident in memory and use arcsoft client, the phone is lightning quick and I have zero delays or lockups. Coupled with the keyboard, its the best all around solution.
The N1 has great google software, and as my sig says, the Navigation stuff is better than a Nuvi, IMO, and I'll probably start transitioning over to android until WinMo7, especially if swype becomes officially available (it may already be). There are also a couple apps I've found that could actually make it past the initial novelty stage of "wow thats cool" and be everyday apps.. which if you check the average lifespan of these iphone & android apps theyre so proud of, after about a week and half of saying to your buddies "hey check this out", people quit using them all together yet are still out their $1, but i digress..
Thanks for the input so far. Good stuff.
I know this isn't the the HD2 forum but it's still on topic.
What about the voice/speaker quality on the HD2? I haven't read good things on that. Is it really a problem?
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I've got 2 of the 3, and I'm using a Rhodium with 6.5.x and Titanium as my everyday phone. The Nexus One is on my night stand.
With the Rhodium, if you keep messaging, contacts, and calendar resident in memory and use arcsoft client, the phone is lightning quick and I have zero delays or lockups. Coupled with the keyboard, its the best all around solution.
The N1 has great google software, and as my sig says, the Navigation stuff is better than a Nuvi, IMO, and I'll probably start transitioning over to android until WinMo7, especially if swype becomes officially available (it may already be). There are also a couple apps I've found that could actually make it past the initial novelty stage of "wow thats cool" and be everyday apps.. which if you check the average lifespan of these iphone & android apps theyre so proud of, after about a week and half of saying to your buddies "hey check this out", people quit using them all together yet are still out their $1, but i digress..
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I'm sorry but nothing about the Rhodium is lightning quick, nothing. I use the builtin WM messaging client and Arcsoft MMS and once I get over a couple messages per thread it takes about 5 seconds from clicking the thread to where I can type. This is due to both the crappy WM messaging client based on the IE rendering engine and the garbage processor.
I use vito SMS-chat for text messaging and once it is loaded up it has some decent speed but it takes about 5 seconds to load the program which is why I leave it running in the background as much as I can. The program is really ugly though.
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I'm sorry but nothing about the Rhodium is lightning quick, nothing. I use the builtin WM messaging client and Arcsoft MMS and once I get over a couple messages per thread it takes about 5 seconds from clicking the thread to where I can type. This is due to both the crappy WM messaging client based on the IE rendering engine and the garbage processor.
I use vito SMS-chat for text messaging and once it is loaded up it has some decent speed but it takes about 5 seconds to load the program which is why I leave it running in the background as much as I can. The program is really ugly though.
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I'll give vito a shot..
check out "S.V.I keyskin" in the TP2 themes/apps section, its also helped my phone feel snappier by decreasing the load time for the SIP
I would appreciate if anybody could give comparison between HD2 and Touch Pro2 because I am torn between the two models. I am now using Dopod 838pro (Tytn)
and want to upgrade coz my phone is "dying". Basically I like the HD2 for the speed and the screen but it don't have video call or macro mode. I like most of the spec in touch pro but it lack speed compare to HD2. So i guess someone who have used both of these models would know the pros and cons. Especially the speed of these two processor in real life. Any input would greatly appreciate
You should go for the HD2. The speeds of the TP2 is getting really anoying. And the fact that android is running very smooth on the HD2.
And there is the possiblity of a WP7 rom for the HD2 in the future.
The biggest decision you have to make is how much do you value a physical keyboard? If it's a big deal for you, then go for the Touch Pro2. If you don't care about a keyboard, then the HD2 is a far superior choice in terms of hardware as well as software development. HTC's website lists the specs of both machines. Keep in mind that the T-Mobile version of the HD2 has 1GB of internal storage as opposed to half of that on any other version of it.
my own opinion, go for TP2, it's qwerty hardware keyboard are valuable things to have, just like Your Hermes, it make different easy way related for daily working usage
Thanks for all the replies. My problem with HD2 is there is no secondary camera for video call. Then if I choose TP2, how bad is the speed, is it acceptable if compare to Hermes (Hermes is quite slow to me)?. Or is it just about the same?.
Well.... I think I have to choose TP2 for the secondary camera. If HD2 come with secondary camera that would be a dream. I have also look at other WinMo device such as Omnia Pro with the slide keyboard, secondary camera and 800MHz but not so good UI, and I like HTC more.
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Thanks for all the replies. My problem with HD2 is there is no secondary camera for video call. Then if I choose TP2, how bad is the speed, is it acceptable if compare to Hermes (Hermes is quite slow to me)?. Or is it just about the same?.
Well.... I think I have to choose TP2 for the secondary camera. If HD2 come with secondary camera that would be a dream. I have also look at other WinMo device such as Omnia Pro with the slide keyboard, secondary camera and 800MHz but not so good UI, and I like HTC more.
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If you are in the US, the second camera makes no difference as it will not work for video calling here. Video calls on the TP2 only work in Europe.
Ok dx3me, here's my personal opinion. I had previously purchased the Touch Pro2 because of its keyboard form factor as well as the front camera. I came from the Xda Exec/Htc Universal phone and this greatly influence my choise for the Tp2.
-->First complain edited since the TP2 can play smooth videos provided you know how to convert it with this tool--->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
Second complain is that the internet experience is not that great and after using a hd2, I really prefer its bigger screen as it delivers a new approach on how you can easily browse, email, chats and so on. Very stylish in the hands and its look is simply amazing - it will surely not go unnoticed by people around you due to its huge screen + "slim" size.
Third and last one is that some softwares are so damn slow to run on it and the lack of extra RAM suffers greatly.
So I am definitely planning to switch to a HTC HD2 in the coming weeks as compared to the TP2, the HD2 has specifications of a new generation phone where as the tp2 is very very far behind. Now that many phones are coming out equipped with a 1ghz proccessor, I bet that most people will follow the trend and get similar powerful phones unless keyboard is an absolute must or money is a key factor...My opinions only...
Okay, you want an opinion? I'm a person with both a Touch Pro 2 and a HD2.
Well first, I loved my TP2. I thought it was the best phone I've ever had. Loved the physical keyboard, it seemed to be running fast, and it can run Android on it, although not quite so well. The resistive touchscreen was very accurate, even though it could sometimes be one big pain in the arse. That's when the stylus came in.Pop it out, use it, pop it back in, simple. But then after a while, the darn thing felt so slow. Pages took a long time to load, no Flash support in browsers, my battery drained fast. One day I went to the T-Mobile store in my area. What do I see sitting in front of me? A live working HD2, hooked up to their security system. So I try it. So fast, I have to have it. So I h'whipped p) out $500 bucks from my pocket a few months later, and I had my HD2. It can run Android 2.2. It can run Flash videos perfectly. Hell, even Windows Mobile was fast. Then I thought, oh shucks, the keyboard. I flipped the phone into Landscape mode and that friggin keyboard is amazing. Now I have big hands - my fingertips are about as big as the keys on my keyboard. This keyboard won't make you miss your Touch Pro 2. Since then, my Touch Pro 2 has sat in a corner, neglected. I feel sorry for it from time to time and use it p), but then I go straight back to the HD2.
One disadvantage of the HD2 is the BATTERY LIFE. Heavy use - 4 hours (constantly on)
HD2...I really like the hard keyboard on my TP2, but it just doesn't have enough Ram, My older Samsung Epix ran better, the TP2 just sucks away ram, I end up soft resetting a couple times a day, just from text messaging or checking my calendar or weather, it's a pretty big disappointment in that area. Just think, the HD2 will have a processor about twice the speed of the TP2 and twice the ram, plus half a Gig to 1 Gig of internal storage, for pesky programs that won't go on the storage card. If you want specs just check out: http://www.htc.com/us/products/compare/104-65-61?view=1-3&sort=0
I think I know which one to get!!
Thank you everyone for the inputs.
Well, I'm changing my mind. I have tested a demo HD2 in the shop and like it. I think I have to get the HD2. I also can't consider any of the WP7 devices at the moment because I think I would not buy the WP7 devices until it become better devices. That could be a year or two. Well if I could not live without the video call (on HD2), I have to fix my Hermes a bit as a backup. So I can use the video call on my good old Hermes. Hopefully this could work. (The only bad thing is I have to carry my Hermes along if I intend to do a video call)
Hi Mate,
I Have both the Touch Pro 2 and HD2 and I would only recommend the HD2!! My personal opion is that I would not waste your money on the touch pro 2.
Col
Hmmm, I've been using the HD2 for 1week now and my previous excitement has a bit vanished for this phone. I used the phone a lot for business purposes (especially using emails and chat a lot) and the lack of a keyboard suffers GREATLY. Though the HD2 screen is large for typing, I ended up in making mistakes couple of times when typing fast and I was really frustrated having to constantly correct my mistakes. This is time consuming especially when I have a lot of emails to respond on the way, and often gets my nerves to the limit.
The touch screen though is very responsive but I feel that the TP2 resistive screen has a bit more precision. Speed wise, the HD2 blows the TP2 and it is definitely great to watch your pictures/movies on the large screen. Apart from the mutimedia use, I am going to stick back to my TP2 and return the HD2. Nothing feels better than a physical qwerty keyboard and...a resistive screen for selecting a specific word easily when typing (...my opinions only).
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Though the HD2 screen is large for typing, I ended up in making mistakes couple of times when typing fast and I was really frustrated having to constantly correct my mistakes. This is time consuming especially when I have a lot of emails to respond on the way, and often gets my nerves to the limit.
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I have big hands and I only make one error out of every hundred words.
Hi there,
I'm hoping to help you with my story: Using my father's old WM device (MDA Compact III) for about one year, in the beginning of this year I decided to go for something new. My most important requirement for the new device was a QWERTZ-keyboard (here in Germany). So, there wasn't much of a choice I had and after scanning through some device's reviews looking also at those without a QWERTZ to get to know the current standards (among them the HD2, "old" TouchPro, G1, BlackBerry 9700, Xperia X1 and some of the Samsung and LG devices) I bought the TouchPro2 as it seemed to me the best choice concerning specifications and my demands. And I was really happy about it! It was way faster than my former MDA, had much better graphics, loads of software to use and so on...
When time passed by, I started to pick up on some custom roms, as I wasn't satisfied with the speed (everyone know about the upgrading his personal requirements). Found the roms of NRGZ28 very good, stable and fast.
However, I was constantly getting more and more fed up with WM6(.5) and the phone as there are some constant (to me unknown) freezes and hangs. And as WM7 will not be seen on this device I decided to go for another change: I ordered the Desire Z, which is (finally) on its way, maybe arriving today.
My advice for you: take a look at Android or WM7. And try around with those keyboards and decide, if you *really* need a physical one. There is a whole bunch of good devices, that will be released with WM7 and Android.
Cheers!
OP got the HD2. There is no longer any reason to try to convince him of anything.
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OP got the HD2. There is no longer any reason to try to convince him of anything.
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ah, too late... well then, have fun with the hd2
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ah, too late... well then, have fun with the hd2
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Hmmm I would be curious to hear your opinions on both phones - may you share?
I'd vote for the HD2 because of it's specifications. Like it was said earlier the HD2 blows the TP2 out of the water. But also pointed out is the problem with WinMo 6.5. This stock ROM is a dinosaur in age and just doesn't hold a candle up to Android or WM7. I also was fed up with it on my HD2 so I made a complete change and switched my device over the Android via custom ROMs found on these forums. I've never been happier!
So the debate really is between Android and WM7. Considering the future I think getting android would be a better deal. It's going to explode in popularity due to Microsoft's and Apple's security lockdowns on their devices (they aren't very customizable, WM7 and the iPhone etc), and because of Android being open source.
So before I get going on a tangent , I'd recommend getting the HD2 if you like customizing your phone A LOT. It can be kind of a scary procedure. But if you're not up to that kind of stuff I'd recommend looking at HTC's Android phones. They're very stable and fun to use. The TP2 will become a very average phone in the next while with all the new and cool stuff coming out.