hey frnds.
Is it called TouchFlo os is it called Manilla..??
This is not a noob question. Cause as far as i know Manilla is the UI and TouchFlo is the software that accelerates the Manilla and all the scrolling in HTC devices.
Let me know if am wrong cause everywhere people take touchflo and manilla as the same thing.
Am snnoyed cause i need a cab that only installs the TouchFlo and not the Manilla. The TouchFlo is present as the OEM in the kitchen. Am providing the OEM in a zip file Attached Below.
If anyone could please create a cab file of it, it would be highly appreciated.
Thanks.
MAKK
I always assumed that manilla was a working name for the touchflo, ie when companies work on projects they are reluctant to refer to it as it retail name, if you look on your device it dosent say manila anywhere, so that would make me think that the touchflo is the name of the ui, where as manila was its development name! maybe im wrong thats just my 2 cents
well i'm not sure cause ppl do use them interchangeably, but from what i understand touchflo and manilla are 2 separate things.. however, i *think* touchflo3D and manilla are the same thing haha.. so that's my 2 cents
sunnyin86 said:
hey frnds.
Is it called TouchFlo os is it called Manilla..??
This is not a noob question. Cause as far as i know Manilla is the UI and TouchFlo is the software that accelerates the Manilla and all the scrolling in HTC devices.
Let me know if am wrong cause everywhere people take touchflo and manilla as the same thing.
Am snnoyed cause i need a cab that only installs the TouchFlo and not the Manilla. The TouchFlo is present as the OEM in the kitchen. Am providing the OEM in a zip file Attached Below.
If anyone could please create a cab file of it, it would be highly appreciated.
Thanks.
MAKK
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TouchFlo first appeared on the original HTC Touch (a.k.a. Elf). It represented the "technology" which allowed us to scroll through menus(programs,steeings...) or in other words it allowed us to use finger action to access certain tasks( ie Cube).
Touchflo3D appeared with the Diamond and Raphael and it represents the same "technology"(using fingeraction to scroll through aplications) but in which the 3d represented the improved version of HTC Home(which was also available on the original touch).
As I see it manlilla represented the working version of TouchFLo3D nothing else.
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TouchFlo first appeared on the original HTC Touch (a.k.a. Elf). It represented the "technology" which allowed us to scroll through menus(programs,steeings...) or in other words it allowed us to use finger action to access certain tasks( ie Cube).
Touchflo3D appeared with the Diamond and Raphael and it represents the same "technology"(using fingeraction to scroll through aplications) but in which the 3d represented the improved version of HTC Home(which was also available on the original touch).
As I see it manlilla represented the working version of TouchFLo3D nothing else.
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Spot on. Agree totally.
For further reference just look at the .exe - Manila.exe
There are no settings regarding Manila in Settings > System > TouchFLO.
It's just simple options such as enlarge start menu, enable sound when finger scrolling etc.. Which points towards Touchflo being the software that handles the kinetic scrolling etc and not the interface itself.
dickenz said:
Spot on. Agree totally.
For further reference just look at the .exe - Manila.exe
There are no settings regarding Manila in Settings > System > TouchFLO.
It's just simple options such as enlarge start menu, enable sound when finger scrolling etc.. Which points towards Touchflo being the software that handles the kinetic scrolling etc and not the interface itself.
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yep that is what even i thought so. i.e manila being the UI and touchflo being the technology of scrolling which supports manila.
I'm pretty sure that Manilla is an internal working name [codename if you will] of this application, while TouchFlo 3D would be the commercial name [i.e. the name that is visible to the user and the name used to advertise the feature]. That is why it's internal files, such as the *.exe, are named Manilla and inside those files, the app is referenced as Manilla, while in the Control Panel and everywhere the "normal user" interacts with this app or its settings it's referenced as TouchFlo 3D.
Think of the Manilla-TouchFlo 3D duo in the likeness of the Longhorn-Windows Vista duo. Longhorn was the development codename, while Windows Vista is the commercial name of the operating system.
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I'm pretty sure that Manilla is an internal working name [codename if you will] of this application, while TouchFlo 3D would be the commercial name [i.e. the name that is visible to the user and the name used to advertise the feature]. That is why it's internal files, such as the *.exe, are named Manilla and inside those files, the app is referenced as Manilla, while in the Control Panel and everywhere the "normal user" interacts with this app or its settings it's referenced as TouchFlo 3D.
Think of the Manilla-TouchFlo 3D duo in the likeness of the Longhorn-Windows Vista duo. Longhorn was the development codename, while Windows Vista is the commercial name of the operating system.
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Thats wot i thought lol
razielu said:
I'm pretty sure that Manilla is an internal working name [codename if you will] of this application, while TouchFlo 3D would be the commercial name [i.e. the name that is visible to the user and the name used to advertise the feature]. That is why it's internal files, such as the *.exe, are named Manilla and inside those files, the app is referenced as Manilla, while in the Control Panel and everywhere the "normal user" interacts with this app or its settings it's referenced as TouchFlo 3D.
Think of the Manilla-TouchFlo 3D duo in the likeness of the Longhorn-Windows Vista duo. Longhorn was the development codename, while Windows Vista is the commercial name of the operating system.
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You are quite right on that. But there is an essential difference between TouchFlo and TouchFlo 3D.
As it is, the statement that TouchFlo (without "3D") represents the "scrolling-with-your-finger-instead-of-the-stylus-precisely-on the-scrollbar"technique is right too.
I did not say TouchFlo. I said TouchFlo 3D. And Touch Flo was the first version of the respective application. TouchFlo cannot quite be called a technology, it's only an app that stands on top of the Windows UI and alters touch behaviours.
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I did not say TouchFlo. I said TouchFlo 3D. And Touch Flo was the first version of the respective application. TouchFlo cannot quite be called a technology, it's only an app that stands on top of the Windows UI and alters touch behaviours.
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Don't get all upset, I just explained to the original poster.....
I didn't get upset. Sorry if it seemed that way.
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I didn't get upset. Sorry if it seemed that way.
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yup i think ur all right with the technology being touchflo 3d..I think manila is the actual interface as in the look, sorta like an app maybe like spb mobile hence manila 2d etc. could be wrong but thats how i look at it lol
i can scroll in all my application with my finger without taking the scrollbar.
have i now change all my application to manila.totalcom, manila.spbXXX, and manila.garmin.mobile?
no,
manila exists longer than touch3d. it was only a program, a very big program
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Check this out
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46294
does someonae has the new HTC touch 3d........-----
I WANT IT.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
isnt it only for htc touch diamond?
It isn't out yet. The 3d Touchflo Interface debuts with the HTC Diamond. Should be out by June/July.
I forgot to mention that the 3d Touchflo Interface demands better hardware and memory than most of the devices any of us has currently. The chances that it will run smoothly with our devices are very slim.
I think its a little sluggish on Touch Diamond itseld from what Ive heard from some of those who attended the press event.
Imagining it on Artemis could only be a joke.. It requires a GPU. And it also looks like this application has a lot of locks preventing cookers from porting. But still XDA-dev has much better hackers to overcome those. Lets wait for the devices on the market first.
Regards,
Carty..
here is a couple of words...i'd like to have 3d,but i suppose its not possible
However, a TouchFLO 3D upgrade for current HTC Touch smartphones (like the Touch, Touch Dual or Touch Cruise) isn't planned due to increased and changed hardware requirements.
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if this was called HTC manila when it was in the development stage then i hav a ver of this(cab file) which is meant for VGA screen PPCs only
fair does that phone looks stunning,i was gonna get the orbit 2, but the diamond is much faster and better looking, quite looking forward to this one
After see Pontui Home runing so smoothly on my Artemis, I have a little hope that this programa will not demand a Hi-end hardware to run. I HOPE!!!
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working man said:
After see Pontui Home runing so smoothly on my Artemis, I have a little hope that this programa will not demand a Hi-end hardware to run. I HOPE!!!
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that same . too
CAB File
Can you post this CAB file?
sheennick123456:
if this was called HTC manila when it was in the development stage then i hav a ver of this(cab file) which is meant for VGA screen PPCs only
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HTC manila AKA touch flo 3D
here you go
http://www.4shared.com/file/47016031/5436a738/manila1001030release.html
i checked it........it is the same user interface tht is in the htc diamond
but remember it is only for VGA ppcs n wont work on artemis
some people hav tried it on various VGA ppcs n the app runs only on HTC made ppcs(doesnt work on O2 XDA flame)
u may get framerates like 10-15fps
I have a X50v that's with my friend. I'll make a try...
Hi, In this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363500&page=14
a developer called dobb try to adapt the manila VGA to QVGA and release a version alpha and beta that works in the qvga devices but obviously run slow and need to adapt the soft buttons. You can install the cab of VGA version and the dll's, thus overwrite the files in manila folder with the alpha or beta version of QVGA.(This version need to polish more)
The version posted for sheennick123456 was a beta of touchflo3d leaked in january 2008, and with greater reason, the actual version should run faster.
I have no doubt that any developer here not only achieved by extracting the touchflo3d but also the driver to run correctly.
Think about that:
When "Touch" released, HTC said the touchflo could only run on those Devices because of the special hardware (screen), but there are many of us who run the touchflo in our Artemis without such hardware (screen).
Greetings
really it isn't working... i installed it and i don't know how to uninstall.. anybody??
it creates a folder named manila somewhere in the device memory
i dont recollect the exact path but i guess it is in the my documents
all u have to do is delete this folder
If you want to uninstall you have to:
delete the folder in Program Files/Manila
delete all registry in HKLM/software/microsoft/today/items/manila
delete manilatoday.dll in windows folder
I tried in my artemis and works slowly but the second beta needs more work.
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If you want to uninstall you have to:
delete the folder in Program Files/Manila
delete all registry in HKLM/software/microsoft/today/items/manila
delete manilatoday.dll in windows folder
I tried in my artemis and works slowly but the second beta needs more work.
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that's what i did on "blind" thanks anyway... let's hope that some of the "gods" over here will adjust it for Artemis
Dont works on Kaiser WM6....
I have one, battery sucks. it's ok kinda hard to get around
cvenk said:
Check this out
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46294
does someonae has the new HTC touch 3d........-----
I WANT IT.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have one it'ss hard to move around and remember keys, battery sucks too,
Is it likely/possible?
Also i know the chance is low of seeing an official WM6.5 for Diamond, but is it possible? i.e. have they ever done anything like that before?
Yesterday I installed WM6.5 and have maximum satisfaction. The official can not, but some of Bety are already tuned enough, try this ROM --
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=506533
bump?
is it worth hoping for a new rom?
sorry to say............
we have a old phone now.....don't hold your breath....you may turn blue
with the Diamond 2 out i very much doubt that there will be any new official ROM's for the Diamond.
You don't get an official WM6.5 ROM unless there's a dedicated Windows button on your device.
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You don't get an official WM6.5 ROM unless there's a dedicated Windows button on your device.
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what is Windows button ? is it just a Home button with Windows logo labeled on ?
does wm6.5 have any major performance improvements over 6.1, for example would touchflo3d work better?
6.5 is worth the wait.
jossgray said:
does wm6.5 have any major performance improvements over 6.1, for example would touchflo3d work better?
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lots of improvement,
- new finger-scrolling system, more responsive
- new memory management system, HIMEM, application with big .exe size can reduced to be only 1k .exe , and lots of .dlls - so one single program don't need to load everything at once - they'll call specific dll for specific function it use.
- lots of improvement in user interface makes it easy to use it with finger, bigger botton, X button, menu bar, etc.
-new start menu, with easier scrolling, customizable icon order.
-new IE with buit in flash.
-a Mobile MarketPlace client, you can download free apps, purchase apps easily on the go.
-new locking screen, unlock to specific program - mail, text, voicemail, call list.
htc should makes the 6.5 available for Diamond, it has a hugh improvement.
WM 6.5 a huge disappointment
punataro said:
lots of improvement,
- new finger-scrolling system, more responsive
- new memory management system, HIMEM, application with big .exe size can reduced to be only 1k .exe , and lots of .dlls - so one single program don't need to load everything at once - they'll call specific dll for specific function it use.
- lots of improvement in user interface makes it easy to use it with finger, bigger botton, X button, menu bar, etc.
-new start menu, with easier scrolling, customizable icon order.
-new IE with buit in flash.
-a Mobile MarketPlace client, you can download free apps, purchase apps easily on the go.
-new locking screen, unlock to specific program - mail, text, voicemail, call list.
htc should makes the 6.5 available for Diamond, it has a hugh improvement.
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I installed WM 6.5 and I can only say it is a huge disappointment!
The UI is just a disgrace. Did you see how big the menus are?
HTC tf3d is much more user friendly.
If Microsoft will continue this way then Symbian and Iphone will take their shares for sure...
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I installed WM 6.5 and I can only say it is a huge disappointment!
The UI is just a disgrace. Did you see how big the menus are?
HTC tf3d is much more user friendly.
If Microsoft will continue this way then Symbian and Iphone will take their shares for sure...
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i think you got it all wrong, its 6.1 vs. 6.5 ...not TF3D vs. 6.5
fazalali110 said:
i think you got it all wrong, its 6.1 vs. 6.5 ...not TF3D vs. 6.5
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Yeap Yeap Thats right!
e_sela , Now u need to find a suitable 6.5 ROM that has awesome Memory utilization & install 2.03 Manilla on it.
Which i've done - though lots & lots of flashing..
Refer to the setup in my signature below
andrewloh said:
what is Windows button ? is it just a Home button with Windows logo labeled on ?
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Pretty much. Although I would expect the Windows logo button to map to the Start Menu by default.
e_sela said:
I installed WM 6.5 and I can only say it is a huge disappointment!
The UI is just a disgrace. Did you see how big the menus are?
HTC tf3d is much more user friendly.
If Microsoft will continue this way then Symbian and Iphone will take their shares for sure...
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just same with my opinion... but we may hope cuz 6.5 not final official release yet.
So let hope
The WM6.5 Home screen is quite flexible and easy to create custom panels. And of course, phone manufactures like HTC can still create their own home screen for differentiation with others. That is an advantage of WM, IMHO. The native gestrue and scrolling features of WM6.5 are quite good.
Why has manila been removed from most if not all of the 6.5 roms?
Am I missing something here? The 'new' interface for win mo 6.5 seems to me to be absolute rubbish as an interface. I have installed XBmod over the top.
What's the point of this new interface? It's limited at best. If you compare it to say the new iphone 3.0 os (I'm a win mo fanboy by the way) it's embarrassing.
Surely TF3d2 is the way to go??
vicious6969 said:
Why has manila been removed from most if not all of the 6.5 roms?
Am I missing something here? The 'new' interface for win mo 6.5 seems to me to be absolute rubbish as an interface. I have installed XBmod over the top.
What's the point of this new interface? It's limited at best. If you compare it to say the new iphone 3.0 os (I'm a win mo fanboy by the way) it's embarrassing.
Surely TF3d2 is the way to go??
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Take a look at some of the awesome panels and themes being developed over in 'Development and Hacking' and you'll understand. The themes are rich, customizable and very nice. ibrythill's WM7 one is a great example.
It's actually very flexible and functional. It can house heeeeappps more in those panels than Manila and then people are creating any sorts of plugins. Last night I read about a facebook panel that was just released. There are no facebook tabs for Manila, no 'create your own tab', no twitter tab etc.
I know I possibly made Manila sound bad but it is not by any means. Just a couple of reasons you'd want to try Titanium as a UI.
Cool thanks for that, wasn't aware of titanium etc etc will have a further look.
I was just looking at the basic homepage that comes with the roms and was a bit alarmed!
I think something cool should be on out of the box though when the new os comes out. as long as normal phone users dont have to mess about etc.
Well I suppose you can always put another homescreen like TouchFLO 3D on top of WM6.5. So it is very flexible to have a clean ROM and let users choose what suit them most.
BTW, the built-in kinetic scrolling of the WM6.5 is very good. I hope there would be a version of the TouchDLO 3D without the HTC kinetic scrolling.
Hi I was thinking of switching from Omnia to TP2 and use Opera Mini all the time due to its speed. Had anyone tested it on the TP2, wondering if the different screen res makes it differcult to read due to size or should it be better.
I just installed it in JBlend. The legibility is OK, although the default font size is a little small. The main problem is that opening or closing the keyboard requires you to restart JBlend, which is a royal pain in the neck as I often want to switch between landscape and portrait mode when I'm browsing.
This problem seems to exist with all JBlend apps.
Install JBed, works like a champ. Will thoroughly recommend it. Much better than JBlend.
On Jbed what is the font size like?
Are there no problems with keyboard as described with jblend?
I just installed the latest JBed and OperaMini now loads fine. The font is pretty small, but readable (by me, at least).
Does anyone know how to create a direct menu shortcut to a specific JBed application (e.g. OperaMini, GoogleMail, etc)? (i.e. without having to launch Jbed then select the app you want to launch). I'd also like to assign a different icon to each application, so that I can tell them apart purely from the icon.
Sorry for the obvious question: JBed? JBlend?
Are these some sort of Java runtimes that one must install on a WinMo device?
There's no Java ME edition in WinMO 6.1 by default?
I don't get why you wouldn't just use opera mobile which comes with it
Because until Opera Mobile 9.7 with Turbo ships, mini opera is several times faster with proper settings.
For the past 3 years I've used almost nothing but Opera Mini myself, instead of the full fledged browsers available (I have bought Opera Mobile as well and a Webkit browser).
It's just so much faster due to Turbo caching and fits my needs.
I suspect many others are in the same boat.
Good site for Java MIDlet info
vasra said:
Sorry for the obvious question: JBed? JBlend?
Are these some sort of Java runtimes that one must install on a WinMo device?
There's no Java ME edition in WinMO 6.1 by default?
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Some pretty comprehensive info here, regarding WM MIDlets etc.
http://www.smartphonemag.com/cms/blogs/3/2266
http://www.smartphonemag.com/cms/blogs/3/2267
Regards
BO$$
Direct shortcuts to MIDlets
itm said:
I just installed the latest JBed and OperaMini now loads fine. The font is pretty small, but readable (by me, at least).
Does anyone know how to create a direct menu shortcut to a specific JBed application (e.g. OperaMini, GoogleMail, etc)? (i.e. without having to launch Jbed then select the app you want to launch). I'd also like to assign a different icon to each application, so that I can tell them apart purely from the icon.
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Check out this chart
http://www.winmobiletech.com/092007MidletBible/CompatibilityAndMain.html
and scroll down to "Direct, system-level links (shortcuts) to midlets". Should give you the answer/links you need.
Also please read my previous post, if you need more info around Java MIDlets.
Regards
BO$$
Thanks for the link.
So....following the instructions for jbed...I created a text file on the PC containing only the following line:
"\windows\jbed.exe -run s0_"
(with the quotes included). I copied this file to the TP2 and renamed it "OperaMini.lnk". When I run the renamed file it doesn't know how to handle it - I get the "Open with..." dialog.
Can anyone advise what I'm doing wrong??
itm,
I believe what you need to do, is create the shortcut file on your TP2 using a file explorer other than the stock WM one (at least on my Uni, it is not capable of creating shortcuts). I think you can either use the inbuilt function of the file explorer (i.e. paste shortcut or something like that) or create a file and change the file extension to .lnk (as you have done) Once the new shortcut file is created, you need to access the "properties" box of that file and in the box where it says something like "go to" or "link" you will need to paste "\windows\jbed.exe -run s0_" (with the quotes). You then save the change and should hopefully be ready to roll...
Appologies for the vague explanation, but left my Uni at home today, so can't physically go through the process on an actual WM device atm.
If you're still stuck after reading this, PM me and I'll try and walk you through once I'm home.
Regards
BO$$
I read somewhere there is manilla2d 2.5? Im not certain but i though i saw a new menu on top of the sliding menu on the bottom? Maybe it was a theme also, could someone send me a link and possibly a guide how to get spb mobile shell on my vogue? i couldnt find one on here. Thanks.
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I read somewhere there is manilla2d 2.5? Im not certain but i though i saw a new menu on top of the sliding menu on the bottom? Maybe it was a theme also, could someone send me a link and possibly a guide how to get spb mobile shell on my vogue? i couldnt find one on here. Thanks.
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Manila 2.5 will not work on the Vogue.
To get Mobile Shell, you just need to go to their SPB's website and download it, here is a link...
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/mobileshell/
manana12 said:
I read somewhere there is manilla2d 2.5? Im not certain but i though i saw a new menu on top of the sliding menu on the bottom? Maybe it was a theme also, could someone send me a link and possibly a guide how to get spb mobile shell on my vogue? i couldnt find one on here. Thanks.
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For further clarification, there is no such thing as "manilla 2d 2.5"
The latest manilla 2d is 2.0 1919.1432 from the "mega"
Confusingly the latest Manilla 3d is also ver 1919 (leo), however 2.1 and 2.5 generally refer to manilla 3d (also known as TouchFlo, now "sense")
Manilla 2d is the version of Manilla without 3d animations, and runs on devices with less processing power annd RAM. That being said, the latest version does feature an actual flipping clock.
Manilla 3d is feature and animation rich. It was first seen on the Diamond, then others such as TouchPro, HD etc. The latest version comes form the Leo aka HD2.
Our Vogue does not use M3D, the processor and ram aren't enough and we would need hardware supported openGL to run it. NFSFAN came close, but not close enough.
jmitr said:
For further clarification, there is no such thing as "manilla 2d 2.5"
The latest manilla 2d is 2.0 1919.1432 from the "mega"
Confusingly the latest Manilla 3d is also ver 1919 (leo), however 2.1 and 2.5 generally refer to manilla 3d (also known as TouchFlo, now "sense")
Manilla 2d is the version of Manilla without 3d animations, and runs on devices with less processing power annd RAM. That being said, the latest version does feature an actual flipping clock.
Manilla 3d is feature and animation rich. It was first seen on the Diamond, then others such as TouchPro, HD etc. The latest version comes form the Leo aka HD2.
Our Vogue does not use M3D, the processor and ram aren't enough and we would need hardware supported openGL to run it. NFSFAN came close, but not close enough.
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Nice explanation
egzthunder1 said:
Nice explanation
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Completely agree.
Also, what do you mean NSFAN came close?
manana12 said:
Completely agree.
Also, what do you mean NSFAN came close?
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A while back, when M2D was being ported to QVGA devices, there were developers (including Chainfire and herg) who were working towards getting TF3D to work on QVGA. However, it was too complicated due to the fact that a bunch of this was coded in lua and there were thousands of images that needed to be scaled down from VGA to QVGA. Long story short, that project stopped once M2D came out as it was "good enough". I believe NFSFan was part of that development team as well, which is why he mentioned that he "came close".
Crap, and i just spent the last 2 hrs searching the net for a QVGA Manila 2.6 for my Vogue.
edgarpoe said:
Crap, and i just spent the last 2 hrs searching the net for a QVGA Manila 2.6 for my Vogue.
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...Only to encounter my very philosophical revelation about M2D